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@hasanhh he is your leader. The man that you like. And this is what it leads to. "Pelousy"? Why do involve yourself in immature name calling so often? You are older than the majority of us. 

I think the political left, and Democrats who might be tired of foreign wars, need to wake up to the reality that Joe Biden has put together a cabinet consisting almost entirely of militant, neolibera

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3 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Treason is constitutionalIy defined. This definition is one of the Four Original Civil Rights.

I could look up what the Constitution says, but I'm also cooking supper right now. Can you look it up and paste that section here? Thanks. 

I usually use Cornell Law for constitutional reference. I'm sure there's other good sites too. 

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1 minute ago, notme said:

Can you look it up

Article 3, Section 3: Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

The other three original civil rights are in Article 1, Section 9.

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CBS: 1844hrs: "Most protesters have cleared the area."

But CBS keeps the inflammatory banner: "Rioters Storm U.S. Capital, House and Senate Evacuated"

Congress intends to reconvene at 2000hrs.

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4 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Fmr Acting D-ClA and Deputy DClA Mike Morrell has just said on CBS that he was in contact with a former Ambassador to the US who told him that he was sitting with the leader of his country trying to explain what is going on and that he was "in a loss for words".

CBS anchor, N. 0Donnell, suggested that Iran and/or Russian hackers "are involved". Morell did not entirely dismiss this.

lt is getting dark in D.C. [ double entendre]

PBS 2120hrsff  Judy Woodruff  and Adm(Ret.) Mike Mullen were fingering lran for today's protest and vandalism. 

0pine: Mullen appeared to enjoy calling lran 'bad actors' and other disparaging remarks.

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White House staffers, both East Wing and West Wing, are resigning. People on the National Security Council are considering doing the same.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/congress-electoral-college-vote-count-2021/h_866aa171267637af8034373744b72f36 

PBS is commenting on the widespread reporting that "few people were arrested" after protesters have been arrested before.

DoJ, FBI, House Committees and so on have launched major investigations.

PBS -in paraphrase- is saying Trump is huddled in the White House trying to cling onto power.

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24 minutes ago, starlight said:

Can anyone explain to me in simple words why everyone's talking about this? What's so alarming? 

A group of Trump supporters didn't like the election results, so tried to terrorize Congress by attacking and invading the Capitol building. Trump and Guiliani both are on record encouraging the attack.

Police let them in. 

Congress and their staff were all safely evacuated.

The terrorists proceeded to vandalize the building and steal equipment and artifacts.

Then they were all sent home.

Very few, if any, arrests were made. One woman terrorist was shot while trying to climb up a wall, but as far as I know the shooter is still unknown. 

 

From what I've read, the US Capitol hasn't been invaded since 1812. 

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Thank you for explaining @notme I had been reading about it on Twitter since last night trying to make a head or tail out of it. So I guess some people just blew it out of proportion when they talked about nuclear weapons being unsafe and civil war? It was a just a riot,albeit on a big scale? 

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@hasanhhSo, they plan to put Biden on the presidential pedestal on 20th January according to the link you shared. But what about the litigation by Trump and all the proof of ... uh... "election"/ rigging? Won't that upset some of the population? Its quite a dive now, since Trump refused to go silently and exposed it. Angry Trump supporters are like a powder keg. This is probably an engineered event but still, its dangerous.

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11 minutes ago, notme said:

The terrorists proceeded to vandalize the building and steal equipment and artifacts.

6 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Rep. Markwayne Mullin on ABC

-The "antagonizers"  were different from the protesters, These attacked people.

-he saw about 25 in the "triage station" (apparently somewhere inside the Capitol Bldg)

 

12 minutes ago, notme said:

Congress and their staff were all safely evacuated.

MCs were evacuated to the (Senate) Office Bldg. Staffers hid in closets. [Above, 1 hour ago]

 

10 minutes ago, starlight said:

It was a just a riot,albeit on a big scale? 

There were 2,000.

 

10 minutes ago, The Green Knight said:

plan to put Biden on the presidential pedestal on 20th January

And now with a 50-50 Senate, V.Prez Comrade Kamal a-Harris having the "deciding vote", she in this role has been brought up a few times when the nutworks were reporting on this protest.

 

General Note: lt make take a year for all the people to be arrested.

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

White House staffers, both East Wing and West Wing, are resigning. People on the National Security Council are considering doing the same.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/congress-electoral-college-vote-count-2021/h_866aa171267637af8034373744b72f36 

PBS is commenting on the widespread reporting that "few people were arrested" after protesters have been arrested before.

DoJ, FBI, House Committees and so on have launched major investigations.

PBS -in paraphrase- is saying Trump is huddled in the White House trying to cling onto power.

A little more on resignations is here: https://www.newsweek.com/wave-white-house-resignations-follows-pro-trump-rioting-capitol-1559551 

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I warned people a couple months before the election that if polling stations were closed and citizens were forced to vote by mail, it would be viewed as an attempt by Democrats to tamper with the election.

While department stores, supermarkets, etc. were open, polling stations were closed because it was deemed "too dangerous" to vote in person. It was an arbitrary and deeply suspect decision, and it doesn't matter if the election was "legal" or fraud was minimal. The *perception* was that Democrats were using emergency powers granted to them due to the COVID-19 outbreak to interfere with the election.

The Democratic governor in my state has illegally taken emergency powers and has extended them indefinitely in order to deal with the pandemic. He has shuttered schools and businesses, issued arbitrary decrees, ignored court orders, and has tried to use the crisis for political gain. 

Americans are not like other people. They are similar to the Iranians in some ways, in that they WILL push back and get angry, even if they are somewhat misguided. We had 7 months of leftist looting and violence (still going on in Portland) and politicians were either ignoring it, or outright encouraging it. This only added to the general outrage.

Biden has inherited a huge mess

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Last weekend at a party someone a little boring was telling me as we were eating that the US establishment is going to use the army to remove Trump after an engineered event. I literally took it with a grain of salt. Of course, it sounded ridiculous.

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9 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

CBS;  4 hours ago; 4 dead "according to Metropolitan Police"

 

6 minutes ago, Silas said:

mericans are not like other people. They are similar to the Iranians in some ways, in that they WILL push back and get angry, even if they are somewhat misguided. We had 7 months of leftist looting and violence (still going on in Portland)

I can't imagine American civilians going to a "war". Its not so easy to face death. Faithless people use lots of alcohol in such a situation, like an imminent battle. Rednecks and southerners will need ship loads of moonshine and proper support from people in high up places, but I expect the US paramilitary intelligence to have eliminated that support already. So my estimate is that those 4 dead will put a lid on it. Sure they can protest all they want throughout spring.

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3 minutes ago, The Green Knight said:

 

I can't imagine American civilians going to a "war". Its not so easy to face death. Faithless people use lots of alcohol in such a situation, like an imminent battle. Rednecks and southerners will need ship loads of moonshine and proper support from people in high up places, but I expect the US paramilitary intelligence to have eliminated that support already. So my estimate is that those 4 dead will put a lid on it. Sure they can protest all they want throughout spring.

I don't expect a civil war or anything like that

but violent protests are another story. 

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13 minutes ago, Silas said:

It was an arbitrary and deeply suspect decision, and it doesn't matter if the election was "legal" or fraud was minimal. The *perception* was/is

l Iike this post of yours.

By chance did you read Cuomo today, and taking up what l believe is unconstitutional actions, is sending 1,000 of NY's Nat'l Guard to defend a peaceful transfer of power?

16 minutes ago, Silas said:

Biden has inherited a huge mess

And a lot of it is close to him. The Prez-elect is not a bad hombre -even though l do not always agree with him.

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5 minutes ago, The Green Knight said:

So my estimate is that those 4 dead will put a lid on it.

The last l read -a few minutes ago on that CBS link above- is that the woman was shot dead by police and the other 3 are characterized as "medical emergencies".

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8 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Mobs occupy the US Capitol Building

--Pelousy calls for Nat'l Guard help to clear the building and chamber.

Mashallah mashallah!!!!

Trump is proving that Democracy is a complete failure and a weak system to exist.

It is my long long discussed argument.

Democracy is solely a help to the elites and it can never ever be beneficial to people. See how the veils from truth will be discerned.

India is also facing a worst situation right now. Democracy is completely falling apart everywhere.

 

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1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

The last l read -a few minutes ago on that CBS link above- is that the woman was shot dead by police and the other 3 are characterized as "medical emergencies".

Well the US police kills dozens of people, especially non-white people, and hundreds of pet dogs for no reason each year, is trained by Israel, all I am writing is that there is simply no chance of a civil war.

 

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OPINE: 0f any person in the mess has my sympathy, it is Pence.

Even two weeks ago,  the news reporters commented on there being "no daylight" between him and Trump. Pence being the most loyal VP ever.

Then Trump criticizes him, expects him to over-turn the election (Pence publicly negated this fantasy), and now today's protests (and while he is chairing the Senate during its certification proceedings).

ADDED: Pence said, "...the Presidency belongs to the People."

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2300 BBC [l am watching the rerun] shows Trump speaking at a rally in front of the White House, encouraging a march on the Capitol Bldg.

First l knew of it. l only heard once there was a pro-Trump rally there during the day today.

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23 minutes ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

What about revolutionary and socialist democracies?

Can you define the principles?

Idea of democracy is correct. But it is not applicable unless it is attached to some sort of supervision (which is a very sensitive position).

Free democracy is never ever applicable. It will fall apart.

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1 hour ago, Silas said:

I warned people a couple months before the election that if polling stations were closed and citizens were forced to vote by mail, it would be viewed as an attempt by Democrats to tamper with the election.

If it wasn’t voting by mail, there would be another boogeyman to use as an excuse. Maybe China or something. 

Republicans know that making voting easier and more accessible hurts them, so they had to discredit the whole process from the start as a preemptive strike. People didn’t intrinsically distrust mail in voting, as absentee voting has existed without controversy for years — rather this cynicism was forcefully shoved on them until they bought the whole premise.

1 hour ago, Silas said:

While department stores, supermarkets, etc. were open, polling stations were closed because it was deemed "too dangerous" to vote in person. It was an arbitrary and deeply suspect decision, and it doesn't matter if the election was "legal" or fraud was minimal. The *perception* was that Democrats were using emergency powers granted to them due to the COVID-19 outbreak to interfere with the election.

Perceptions are crafted and shaped by media influencers, and not inherent to people. Many believe their thoughts are their own deduction and conclusion, but really are just repeating what they’ve heard in echo chambers.

People need food to survive, and the apparatus for everyone to buy food online exclusively everyday doesn’t exist, but voting securely one time on a form through established channels should be more feasible logistically. 
 

1 hour ago, Silas said:

The Democratic governor in my state has illegally taken emergency powers and has extended them indefinitely in order to deal with the pandemic. He has shuttered schools and businesses, issued arbitrary decrees, ignored court orders, and has tried to use the crisis for political gain. 

This is the downside of de-centralization of power, where every state, county, and city has too much autonomy, making the actions in one place seem arbitrary relative to another. In reality, a national pandemic requires a national response, uniform everywhere, and if there was a “unity” on a common reality, this wouldn’t be a problem.

The only righteous anger should be directed at the high death rate, lack of mass testing and vaccination, and failure to give more direct economic assistance to those affected by any closing, including paying wages to workers and helping small business (where in fact only big buisnesses benefited, and everyone else got crumbs)

1 hour ago, Silas said:

Americans are not like other people. They are similar to the Iranians in some ways, in that they WILL push back and get angry, even if they are somewhat misguided. We had 7 months of leftist looting and violence (still going on in Portland) and politicians were either ignoring it, or outright encouraging it. This only added to the general outrage.

Actually Americans are mostly passive and apathetic as a whole, and settle for a low bar. That’s why every dysfunctional institution has lasted so long.

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We have the technology to predict an election outcome using stuff like data mining, surveillance, the world has had the dire necessity to implement the otherwise common bio-metric verification which is in use in the 3rd world countries to monitor attendance of employees properly, phones have locking mechanisms like facial recognition, finger print reading, every person today is networked and carries a cellphone/computer with them and is connected with the rest of the world. But, there HAVE to be mail-in votes, human beings counting them in closed buildings. With that cellphone in your pocket you do not need a "representative" to (theoretically) voice your concerns in a parliament of reps, you can represent yourself the same as we all do on SC.

But...

Yeah.

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12 minutes ago, Reza said:

If it wasn’t voting by mail, there would be another boogeyman to use as an excuse. Maybe China or something. 

Republicans know that making voting easier and more accessible hurts them,

Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington State only have mail-in voting.

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