Is the purpose of women’s lives to serve their husbands and to be beautiful for them?

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4 hours ago, starlight said:

on the basis of

Good  Luck with That 0ne

Ayat 31:28

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2 hours ago, Cool said:

I think the following verse is explaining the matter i.e., purpose of creating females:

وَمِنْ آيَاتِهِ أَنْ خَلَقَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَاجًا لِّتَسْكُنُوا إِلَيْهَا وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَكُم مَّوَدَّةً وَرَحْمَةً إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ

30:21 

 

The word litaskunu, triliteral sin kaf nun.

l didn't find it.

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5 hours ago, starlight said:

Purpose of a woman's existence to be beautiful for her husband. That's very sexist. Few days back I heard someone else saying that a woman isn't 'complete' until she becomes a mother. I had the same reaction. Isn't it time we stop evaluating a woman's worth in this dunya on the basis of these relationships and value her for what she is in her own right?

 

Salam I was not saying this but asking a question based on hadiths I read. I feel that all creations of Allah have worth because they all manifest Allah’s attributes. I feel the amount by which one is superior depends on the amount of Taqwa one has. I have even read a shia hadith that says most of the people in paradise will be mustadh’af women. 
 

Some creations of Allah, whilst they have all of His attributes, they manifest it to a limited degree (on a general scale). If seen from a postmodernist lens, I feel that a lot of hadiths seem to be sexist, and Rasulullah said in a Sunni book “A time of patience will come to people in which adhering to one’s religion is like grasping a hot coal” (Tirmidhi 2260). There are many such prophecies which are now coming to be true, like the prophecy of homosexual marriages.

Nonetheless, creation does have the ability to manifest more of His attributes than it usually does.  For example, since the Stone emanates from Allah and is in synchronity with Him, it has the potential to speak; and this was the case with the stones in the palms of rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). What is to be noted is that as Ibn Arabi says, “the manifestation of His attributes in His creation bears no resemblance to Him, nor is attached to Him, is not even close to Him; all is from Him, but is not He”; so we are not doing Shirk.

See: https://sekaleshfar.com/lecture-series/gnosis-of-the-soul/page/2/

When it comes to marriage and motherhood, I believe marriage is what completes ones faith and motherhood is a divine profession which allows one to be a manifestation of The Nurturer. It is a beautiful and great role. I recall a feminist who said “the worst thing a woman could do is bring a child into this world...”. An appalling statement, to say the least. By Islamic standards, a woman who dies in childbirth is held a martyr (as stated already). I feel you agree with me here but you object to the characterisation that a woman cannot have any value without being a wife or mother, to which I would agree with you. I also agree with your examples like Bibi Maryam. Thank you.

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On 12/3/2020 at 10:40 PM, Zainuu said:

The only thing which is true is that Woman has to be obedient to her husband or Parents and doesn't hold a leadership position. 

Salaam what about Queen Bilqis (عليه السلام)? Did Islam approve of her being a leader?

Thanks.

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24 minutes ago, 313_Waiter said:

Salaam what about Queen Bilqis (عليه السلام)? Did Islam approve of her being a leader?

Queen Bilqis was the leader of her state up until she converted and married to Prophet Sulayman (عليه السلام). Then she was not a leader anymore. 

Earlier, she along with her people of 'Saba' were 'sun worshippers'. 

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4 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

Queen Bilqis was the leader of her state up until she converted and married to Prophet Sulayman (عليه السلام). Then she was not a leader anymore. 

Where does it reveal they marred?

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13 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

Queen Bilqis was the leader of her state up until she converted and married to Prophet Sulayman (عليه السلام). Then she was not a leader anymore. 

But she was still a Queen no?

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"Lets call it a draw."

 

 

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47 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Where does it reveal they marred?

My bad. But still marriage is something which we don't know exactly. At some places it was interpretated that the climax of the story was the marriage. But not sure. 

From the enlightening commentary :

 

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By the way, at last the Queen of Sheba believed and gave the suggestion of marriage to Solomon, and said:

“…I surrender with Solomon to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds’.”

 

 

 

40 minutes ago, 313_Waiter said:

But she was still a Queen no?

She was a queen but she surrendered her throne. So, she was not the exclusive ruler of the state. Here is the interpretation of the whole story:

https://www.al-islam.org/enlightening-commentary-light-holy-quran-vol-13/section-3-solomon-and-queen-sheba

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3 hours ago, Zainuu said:

Queen Bilqis

Refer to    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba 

Under Islam, 2nd paragraph.

There ain't no "bilquis".

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@313_Waiter What don't you understand.

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3 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

@313_Waiter What don't you understand.

Wdym by “there is no Bilquis”

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Just to make it clear I put “make herself beautiful” in the title, not because of my sexist pre-programming, but rather because of hadiths like the below. Now I realise that such actions, although greatly rewarded, are not the sole function of the woman, because we have holy ladies like Maryam ((عليه السلام)) who in the islamic tradition is not said to marry.
 

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"The Prophet (S) also stated: 'The best of your women is one who is obedient towards her husband, adorns herself for her husband but does not reveal her adornment to strangers; and the worst of your women is one who adorns herself in the absence of her husband'." (Bihar al-Anwar, vol 103, p 235)

 

"Imam Baqir ((عليه السلام).) stated: 'It is incumbent upon a woman to perfume herself, to wear her best clothes, to adorn herself in the best way, and to meet her husband in this state day and night” (Shafi, vol 2, p 138)

 

The Holy Prophet (S) stated: 'The duty of a woman is to answer the call at the door and welcome her husband'."' (Mustadrak, vol 3, p 551)

 

"The Holy Prophet (S) stated: 'A wife is duty-bound to arrange for a basin and towel to wash her husband's hands'." (Mustadrak, vol 3, p 551)

 

“The Prophet of Allah (S) stated: 'The duty of a woman towards her husband is to turn the lights on in the house and to prepare good and suitable food” (Mustadrak, vol 2, p 551)

I feel like we should also create a thread with the responsibilities of the man or the husband. To use the terminology of the Quran, for a marriage to be based on “muwadda” (intense love) and “rahma” (mercy), the husband should also fulfil his obligations and the rights of the wife. I’ll start it off:

 

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وَأمَّا حَقُّ رَعِيَّتِكَ بمِلْكِ النّكَاحِ فَأَنْ تَعْلَمَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ جَعَلَهَا سَكَنًا وَمُسْتَرَاحًا وَأُنْسًا وَوَاقِيةً، وَكَذَلِكَ كُلُّ وَاحِدٍ مِنْكُمَا يَجِبُ أَنْ يَحْمَدَ اللَّهَ عَلَى صَاحِبهِ، ويَعْلَمَ أَنَّ ذَلِكَ نِعْمَةٌ مِنْهُ عَلَيْهِ. وَوَجَبَ أَنْ يُحْسِنَ صُحْبَةَ نِعْمَةِ اللَّهِ وَيُكْرِمَهَا ويَرْفَقَ بهَا وَإنْ كَانَ حَقُّكَ عَلَيْهَا أَغْلَظَ وَطَاعَتُكَ بهَا أَلْزَمَ فِيمَا أَحْببْتَ وَكَرِهْتَ مَا لَمْ تَكنْ مَعْصِيةً، فإنَّ لَهَا حَقُّ الرَّحمَةِ وَالْمُؤَانَسَةِ، وَمَوْضِعُ السُّكُونِ إلَيهَا قَضَاءَ اللَّذَّةِ الَّتِي لا بُدَّ مِنْ قَضَائِهَا وَذَلِكَ عَظِيمٌ. وَلا قُوَّةَ إلا باللهِ.

And the right of your subject through matrimonial contract1 is that you should know that God has made her a repose, a comfort and a companion, and a protector for you. It is incumbent upon each of you to thank God for the other and realize that the other one is God's blessing for you. It is obligatory to be a good companion for God's blessing, and to honor her and treat her gently. 

Yet, your right over her is more incumbent2 and she must obey you in every matter that you like or detest - except in acts of disobedience to God. She should enjoy the rights of mercy and intimacy, as she is an object of tranquility. You should care for her through consummation of the lust that must be consummated. And that is surely great. And there is no power but in God.

Source:https://www.al-islam.org/divine-perspective-rights/right-n-20-right-wife

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, 313_Waiter said:

Wdym by “there is no Bilquis”

Because, as in the citation above, it is a name contrived.

Quran only has "queen" and there are no historical records.

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50 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

There ain't no "bilquis".

Account of the story from Hayat ul Qulub. Almost in every narration Imams (عليه السلام) have named her 'Bilquis'.

A narration regarding their marriage is also here. 

https://www.al-islam.org/hayat-al-qulub-vol-1-allamah-muhammad-baqir-al-majlisi/account-sulayman#account-sulayman-and-bilquis

And by that logic, Zulekha actually never became young and never married Prophet Yusuf (عليه السلام). because it's neither in Quran nor in any other scripture maybe. 

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22 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

And by that logic, Zulekha actually never became young and never married Prophet Yusuf (عليه السلام). because it's neither in Quran nor in any other scripture maybe. 

From a 7th or 8th Century A.H. poem.

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Just now, hasanhh said:

From a 7th or 8th Century A.H. poem.

It's not from the poem. Narrations are their. 

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58 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

And by that logic, Zulekha actually never became young and never married Prophet Yusuf (عليه السلام). because it's neither in Quran nor in any other scripture maybe.

Wait a second. Isn’t she the woman who tried to seduce him and got him locked up and she had a husband and wanted to commit adultery and even locked the doors? How did Yusuf (عليه السلام) get married to her?

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On 12/3/2020 at 6:03 AM, 313_Waiter said:

I don’t know how to make this sound less misogynistic (I’m sorry), but do women actualise their purpose in life by worshipping Allah through servitude to their husbands? I mean, based on this tradition, can’t we say that women were created to serve their husbands and to be “obedient” to them.

In another tradition attributed to Rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), the advantages or freedoms that men have in the jurisprudential sense could be attributed to the way Hawwa was created from the leftover dust of Adam:

Is this why women are not allowed to hold certain positions of prominence in the dunyawi sense, where they cannot be judges and are primarily supposed to be adornments for their husbands (based on what I have read in other threads)? According to the Sunni jurist al-Qurṭubī, all women are not supposed to go out of their homes unnecessarily, based on Qur’an 33:33. According to former member Ibn al-Hussain:

The member also elucidated that such seemingly misogynistic views of women have been the view of both Shia and Sunni scholars for centuries, and that it is inevitably irreconcilable with modernity. 

Further, in one report of Risalat al Huquq, Imam Zayn al Abidin (عليه السلام) says that “you must treat her [your wife] with compassion, since she is your prisoner (asir) whom you feed and clothe” (another version of this report does not contain this line).

Another tradition (from Facebook) demarcates the preference of men over women:

I feel like I should quote this verse now because I can see how this thread will bother a lot of my brothers and sisters:

Perhaps I should also add that both women and men are creations of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), they both manifest His beautiful attributes, and that they complement one another.

@Mohammad313Ali @Northwest @shia farm girlthoughts, brothers and sister?

OK first of all women are the reason there is more than 7.8 Billion People alive in the world.

So don't rely on your fathers To go though labor to allow you to have a life

Secondly Nobody even acknowledges the pain women have gone through throughout history. We just have to suck it up and smile. Right? People used to literally BURY their daughters alive!! WHAT THE HECK!?!? people don't think back to their struggle to be treated like they a worth something. SAYING THAT MEN HAVE MORE VALUE THAN A WOMAN IS ABSOLUELY SEXIST!! Stop bullying women because of their gender.

Sorry if i got a bit extreme

Wassalam

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by ServantOfTheHousehold

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5 hours ago, ServantOfTheHousehold said:

So don't rely on your fathers To go though labor to allow you to have a life

With a little financial incentive we can capitalize on cloning and 'bottle babies'.

Cheaper pre-natal healthcare and other transparent benefits. Then these women will be obsolete.

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7 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

Isn’t she the woman who tried to seduce him and got him locked up and she had a husband and wanted to commit adultery and even locked the doors? How did Yusuf (عليه السلام) get married to her?

Later she repented and changed completely. 

This is just one of many accounts of Hayat Al Qulub:

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Ali ibn Ibrahim narrates that Archangel Gabriel told Yusuf to extend his hand. When he did so, a light escaped from between his fingers. Yusuf asked what that was. Archangel Gabriel said it was the light of Prophethood. “The Almighty has removed Prophethood from your loins because you did not arise from your seat to respect your father (when he entered).” Allah removed Prophethood from Yusuf (as..) so that none of his descendants may be conferred Messengership. The Prophethood was transferred to the loins of Lawi, the elder brother of Yusuf. He became eligible for this honor because when the brothers had plotted to kill Yusuf he suggested pushing him in the well instead of murdering him.

As Lawi had prevented the murder of Yusuf, the Almighty placed Prophethood in his loins. Secondly when Benjamin was arrested and despite their efforts the brothers failed to secure his release and prepared to return to Ya‘qub. Lawi said he would not leave Egypt until his father permitted or until Almighty, “decides for me, and He is the best of the judges.”

Allah liked this gesture and Prophethood was transferred to his progeny. Consequently the series of The Israelites Prophets were descendants of Lawi. Musa was also from his progeny. He was the son of ‘Imran, son of Baseer, son of Fahith son of Lawi.

Later, Ya‘qub asked Yusuf what happened to him when his brothers took him from home. Yusuf requested his father to excuse him but Ya‘qub insisted for at least some information. Yusuf said, “The brothers brought me near the well, and ordered to remove my clothes. I told them to fear Allah and not force me to strip. But they flashed a knife and threatened me. I was compelled to undress and they pushed me in the well naked.”

When Ya‘qub heard this, he exclaimed and fell down unconscious. After regaining consciousness he asked Yusuf for more details. Yusuf requested him in the name of Lord of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Ya‘qub and excused himself from narrating any of the accidents that befell him. Ya‘qub did not press further.

According to narrations the ‘Aziz of Egypt died during the period of famine and his wife Zulaykha was reduced to penury. She was so impoverished that she took to begging. Yusuf became the Emperor and people addressed him as ‘‘Aziz of Egypt’. One day people told Zulaykha to sit in the path of Yusuf so that he might have mercy on her. She replied that she was ashamed of him. But when people insisted she squatted in the path of Yusuf. When Yusuf passed by in company of his entourage she rose up and said, “Pure is the Almighty One Who turns the disobedient Kings into slaves and Who transforms slaves into Kings due to their obedience.”

Yusuf recognized her and ordered that she be escorted to his residence. Zulaykha had become a wizened old woman. Yusuf reminded her of her machinations against him. She begged him not to taunt her of her past misdeeds. She further added that she was attracted towards evil due to three factors that afflicted her:

She was madly in love with Yusuf who had no equal in elegance.

She was endowed with such a beauty that she had no equal in her nation. She was also the wealthiest woman.

Lastly, her husband was impotent.

Yusuf asked her what she desired. She said, “I desire that you pray to Allah to make me youthful once again.”

Yusuf prayed and she became young. Yusuf married her and found that she was a virgin. (The report of ‘Ali ibn Ibrahim reaches this point).