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The media portrays Iran as an all encompassing totalitarian dystopian police state that has total control over everyone’s life and a genuine threat to the whole world. Now the narrative is also incomp

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-nuclear-top-scientist-assassinated-reports

Can someone explain to me how the security establishment in Iran is so fragile that people can infiltrate networks and just carry out these assassinations whenever they wish? Someone better have Ayato

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1 hour ago, smma said:

Iran continually says that they have no intentions to make a nuclear weapon (it is haram according to Islam), and the IAEA wanted to meet with Mohsen Fakhrizadeh-Mahabadi to clarify his work as former head of the Physics Research Center (PHRC). Apparently someone wanted to prevent that future meeting. 

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34 minutes ago, Hameedeh said:

Iran continually says that they have no intentions to make a nuclear weapon (it is haram according to Islam), and the IAEA wanted to meet with Mohsen Fakhrizadeh-Mahabadi to clarify his work as former head of the Physics Research Center (PHRC). Apparently someone wanted to prevent that future meeting. 

They will make it and they should. Israel is holding the entire middle east hostage with theirs, another nations in the region needs to have them as a counter

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I honestly think that there is no need to have environmental and large scale city destructing bombs to be militarily superior. Imam Khameneis (رضي الله عنه) fatwa is correct i believe. It is weakness and large cost to have such bombs stacked up. Besides, we know from our books that there won't be a nuclear wasteland that gets inherited by the meek God Willing. It will be like paradise on earth in sha Allah. Nobody other than the Devil wants to nuke anybody anywhere. Even the tests are a disaster. 

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Why does Iran believe Israel could be preparing a strike against its nuclear facility?

 

By Elijah J. Magnier:

 

In an unprecedentedly high level of military readiness, the “Axis of the Resistance” led by Iran has declared a maximum alert on all fronts, as a preparation for a possible battle or war breaking out in the Middle East prior to the arrival in office of President-elect Joe Biden.

 

Sources within the “Axis of the Resistance” say that “the US may not be planning for a war against Iran with President Donald Trump leaving office soon. However, it is not excluded that the “bully of the neighbourhood”, Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu, would like to carry out a swift hit on the Iranian nuclear facilities in order to sabotage the nuclear deal ready for when Biden takes over. In the case of an Israeli bombing followed by an Iranian retaliation, the Trump administration can then intervene with the pretext of “defending” Israel.”

 

The sources explained that Israel, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates and Bahrein fear the US-Iranian agreement and believe it is a terrible idea and a mistake that doesn’t serve the interests of Israel. Moreover, Saudi Arabia is wholeheartedly working to “cut the head off the snake”, Iran, and believes that is essential for its security and indeed dominance of the Middle East, notwithstanding its own incapacity to submit the most impoverished country, Yemen, after five years of war. This group is totally mistaken because it is unlikely that Iran will walk directly into the Israeli-Saudi trap and be dragged into battle. However, Iran is in a state of maximum alert, even more than at the time it had downed a US drone or directly hit a US base in Iraq, when the possibilities of war were very high.

 

There is little doubt about Israel’s desire to do everything possible to prevent Biden from returning to the nuclear deal with Iran, signed by Barak Obama in 2015. For that purpose, Israel is in a position to lead the defence of the Gulf, acting on their behalf and in their name, creating a coalition against Iran and the US’s future desire to put the nuclear deal back on the table.

 

Moreover, Israel’s Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu is facing a critical domestic challenge, accused of corruption and fraud. The defence Minister Benny Gantz set up a government committee to investigate the potentially irregular purchase of three submarines for the price of 1.5 billion dollars and 430 million dollars of corvette missiles. The Defence Minister believes Netanyahu’s inner circle advisors were responsible, mainly when his predecessor Defence Minister Moshe Ya’alon tried to nullify previous inquiries. Benny Gantz promised “full transparency” from the inquiries’ results.

 

News also broke out revealing the visit of Netanyahu and his Mossad Chief Yossi Cohen who met with Saudi Crown Prince Mohamad Bin Salman on the Red Sea last Sunday (notwithstanding the Saudi denial). One of Netanyahu’s advisors criticised the Minister of Defence’s decision to support an inquiry committee and said: “while Gantz plays politics, Netanyahu works for peace”. But boosting the image of the Prime Minister will not really help his domestic position even if he is collecting normalisation deals with most of the Gulf countries.

 

“When Netanyahu is in a trap, he runs towards war or a battle to avoid seeing the rope around his neck (prison!). Therefore, it cannot be excluded that he would go to war and drag the US in behind him if he can- because he certainly won’t go alone”, said the source within the “Axis of the Resistance”.

 

Is it likely we shall see the Middle East dragged into a war if Israel hits Iran’s nuclear sites? After Iran’s bombing of the US military base in Ayn al-Assad, Iranian officials took their responsibilities and responded to what they considered aggression against their security. Therefore, the “Axis of the Resistance” may remain unconcerned if Iran is not in real danger, though Tehran could decide to widen the battlefield to different fronts and to various other countries.

 

In Lebanon, Hezbollah is still waiting to respond to the Israeli killing of one of its militants in Syria. Hezbollah promised to kill a soldier or an Israeli target at the first opportunity. For months, the Israeli Army disappeared from the borders to avoid offering a potential target for Hezbollah. However, supposing that Israel hits Iran, in that case, it is most likely to see a Hezbollah response disproportionately to the killing of its militant so as to come into battle with a valid excuse. Still, nothing can be confirmed until the first hit takes place. The evaluation of the situation can change fundamentally depending on the level of hit or to what degree the involvement or the lack of participation might endanger the “Axis of the Resistance”.

 

In one of his private meetings before the 2015 agreement, the Leader of the Revolution Sayyed Ali Khamenei said “the nuclear deal is bad for Iran. We should not get involved in it because it will bring more enemies to Iran. Go and increase your nuclear capabilities, make the best and more precise missiles to defend our nation and allow the world to come to us”. Following heavy perseverance from President Hassan Rouhani and his team, Sayyed Khamenei allowed him nevertheless to go ahead and try. Today, many in Iran believe the country should not sit down with any US President to negotiate any deal whatsoever until Iran acquires full nuclear power.

 

The possibility of an immediate confrontation is pure analysis by the forces on the ground and countries concerned. Certainly, no one among the “Axis of the Resistance” can confirm what will happen next in the region. The “maximum state of alarm” serves primarily to avoid surprise in case of attack. It is a realistic response in preparation for the worst-case scenario, accompanied by the hope that no battle takes place in the Middle East any time soon.

 

Found an interesting analysis of the situation 3 days before the assassination. The political scenarios are actually indicating that it is definitely done by Israel to provoke War. 

Read the article in theabove quote. 

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48 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Can someone explain to me how the security establishment in Iran is so fragile that people can infiltrate networks and just carry out these assassinations whenever they wish?

It's not a 'whenever' thing actually. Attempts are done and sometimes they are successful. 

If it was all on basis of the wish, it would happened to all main stream political and military leaders of Iran. 

Maybe Iranians can provide a better answer.

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36 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

It's not a 'whenever' thing actually. Attempts are done and sometimes they are successful. 

If it was all on basis of the wish, it would happened to all main stream political and military leaders of Iran. 

Maybe Iranians can provide a better answer.

the number of sabotage attacks this year alone is almost ridiculous. The attacks on missile factories, the nuclear facility in Natanz, now this. 

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1 minute ago, Mohamed1993 said:

the number of sabotage attacks this year alone is almost ridiculous. The attacks on missile factories, the nuclear facility in Natanz, now this. 

To add to this, Al-Qaeda's number 2 was killed few days back. Firstly, there was a terrorist leader living in Iran from God knows when, secondly Israeli operative killed him on Iranian soil and Iran could do nothing about it. Such things can repeatedly happen either if your security is weak or government/a member is involved. 

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5 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

the number of sabotage attacks this year alone is almost ridiculous. The attacks on missile factories, the nuclear facility in Natanz, now this. 

Also the date of the assassination is two days before the 10-year anniversary of the scientists that were murdered in 2010 by Mossad. Their ability to do this, along with their ability to do it at a time that's of their choosing is very troubling.

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1 hour ago, Hameedeh said:

Iran continually says that they have no intentions to make a nuclear weapon (it is haram according to Islam), and the IAEA wanted to meet with Mohsen Fakhrizadeh-Mahabadi to clarify his work as former head of the Physics Research Center (PHRC). Apparently someone wanted to prevent that future meeting. 

They cannot do anything, Iranians are intelligent, they will not move out their top scientists until they are assured that complete designs have been achieved. Neither the top scientist would move out until they complete their work. But May Allah (عزّ وجلّ) bless his soul and may Allah (عزّ وجلّ) give patience to his family and brave Iranian Nation. Trump said that in few weeks some significant things will happen. However, Insha-Allah, Iran will make proper arrangement and won't go to war until it has planned their every move. Insha-Allah and measured the consequences. 

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Iran's chances of survival depend upon how much the US gets involved in case of a conflict with Israel. I think it can hold its own against Israel alone but if US gets involved too heavily, then its game over. Other powers like Russia and China will most likely provide material aid at best

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4 minutes ago, smma said:

Iran's chances of survival depend upon how much the US gets involved in case of a conflict with Israel. I think it can hold its own against Israel alone but if US gets involved too heavily, then its game over. Other powers like Russia and China will most likely provide material aid at best

It depends if there is a full blown war, there won't be over a covert action I don't think, the concern is more how Mossad is able to infiltrate the Iranian security establishment this easily.

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3 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

It depends if there is a full blown war, there won't be over a covert action I don't think, the concern is more how Mossad is able to infiltrate the Iranian security establishment this easily.

Iranian govt needs to carry out a purge. 

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All that talk Iran has been doing about death to this and that, and "resistance" is shown to be bogus in 2020. They don't have the capability to defend themselves. Israelis and Sunni Arabs/Turkish agents can go in and out and kill people in broad daylight. Remember when they retailiated to Soleimani's death by shooting down a passenger plane? May Allah bless the resistance!

Looks like the Shah was better at protecting the country.

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43 minutes ago, Guest Guestarino said:

All that talk Iran has been doing about death to this and that, and "resistance" is shown to be bogus in 2020. They don't have the capability to defend themselves. Israelis and Sunni Arabs/Turkish agents can go in and out and kill people in broad daylight. Remember when they retailiated to Soleimani's death by shooting down a passenger plane? May Allah bless the resistance!

Looks like the Shah was better at protecting the country.

What did the shah protect the country from? He sold Iran to foreign powers.

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10 minutes ago, smma said:

What did the shah protect the country from? He sold Iran to foreign powers.

The Shah defeated Saddam in less than a year. It took the IR 8 years to do the same. Read about the Algiers Accords. Also you didn't have foreigners blowing things up and killing people in broad day light every few months.

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Predictable.

On 11/21/2020 at 11:37 AM, Haji 2003 said:

What some in the Trump camp fear most is the Biden government coming to some sort of diplomatic deal with Iran. what better way to reduce the chances of that happening than to leave a 'mess' that causes a diplomatic headache for everyone.

The sort of thing which either leads to retaliation under Biden's watch and therefore stops Biden from going back to JCPOA for example....

I don't think it would be an attack that requires too many other people to say 'yes', because he lacks the political capital. But something small-scale yet high impact perhaps? Assassination(s), sabotage, terrorism etc.

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Iran will not do anything,as usual! They did NOTHING to avenge Suleimani , NOTHING to avenge the Beirut bombing and NOTHING to avenge the dead of the nearly daily Israeli airstrikes against Shia militias!

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3 hours ago, Guest Moe from London said:

Iran will not do anything,as usual! They did NOTHING to avenge Suleimani , NOTHING to avenge the Beirut bombing and NOTHING to avenge the dead of the nearly daily Israeli airstrikes against Shia militias!

When your enemy provokes you continuously they do so because they're prepared for battle, it is, therefore, wise to remain patient - as long as one is permitted to be - and retaliate when the enemy lets their guard down.  

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9 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

the number of sabotage attacks this year alone is almost ridiculous. The attacks on missile factories, the nuclear facility in Natanz, now this. 

But are they successful in stopping Iran's activities?

Missile program is good

Development is fine

Strategic partnership between Iran and Axis is good. 

These escalations will only create problems for the enemies. 

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3 hours ago, Guest Moe from London said:

Iran will not do anything,as usual! They did NOTHING to avenge Suleimani , NOTHING to avenge the Beirut bombing and NOTHING to avenge the dead of the nearly daily Israeli airstrikes against Shia militias!

Actually wrong. 

Syria cornered Turkey (a NATO ally and former NATO member) and it's Jihadis in a week long battle.

The Hezbollah's Radwan Units were placed along line of Syrian-Israeli southern borders which caused the Israelis to disappear from the border. 

The irregular shia militias in Iraq have done many escalations against the American forces.

The attack done on US bases on 8th of January that caused "Brain Surgeries" to almost that much amount of soldiers which were claimed by Iran.

Now, more then military this is a war on political and diplomatic level. So, you cannot expect a tit-for-tat over here. 

But on the basic level, Iran is quite well able to charge a good battle. 

And such assassinations are really sad though but the important achievement of Gen Suleimani and Mohsen Fakhrizadeh is that their martyrdom unites the people and if they live they create more which can replace them. 

I am sure, their are many suleimanis and fakhrizadehs in Iran and they will turn down the imperialist empire into rubbles inshallah

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4 hours ago, Zainuu said:

But are they successful in stopping Iran's activities?

Missile program is good

Development is fine

Strategic partnership between Iran and Axis is good. 

These escalations will only create problems for the enemies. 

They aren't successful at stopping, but slowing down sure and also, if your country can have its high officials murdered regularly without consequences, it just invites more attacks.

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32 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

if your country can have its high officials murdered regularly without consequences, it just invites more attacks

Brother have hopes. Their will surely be the consequences. We need to have patience. Patience is the only weapon that has kept Iran alive. 

If you study the analysts who know quite well about the middle-east, almost everyone will agree that US and it's allies are going wrong and will be defeated because they have calculated Iran in an entirely wrong manner. 

In such conflicts and places like the middle-east, only the patient ones will win. 

Listen to this podcast with Sharmine Narwani, a middle-east expert based in Lebanon:

https://eastisapodcast.libsyn.com/game-over-w-sharmine-narwani

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DeutscheWelle reported this morning that the USS Nimitz has returned to the Persian Gulf. That it had been withdrawn and then turned around. The story is that it is to "cover the withdrawl" of American personnel from lraq and Afghanistan.

Now check this map of 23Nov2020:  https://news.usni.org/2020/11/23/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-nov-23-2020 

The battle group was near the tip of lndia.

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16 hours ago, Mohammad313Ali said:

When your enemy provokes you continuously they do so because they're prepared for battle, it is, therefore, wise to remain patient - as long as one is permitted to be - and retaliate when the enemy lets their guard down.  

So you think Iran is trying to lull Israel into a true sense of security?

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On 11/27/2020 at 11:53 AM, Mohamed1993 said:

the number of sabotage attacks this year alone is almost ridiculous. The attacks on missile factories, the nuclear facility in Natanz, now this. 

Only the US and Russia have the satellite C3lSR capability to have these operations go so successful and evasive of the police.

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