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Context of Hadith of Ghadeer e Khum was Complaints from Yemen?

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Context of Ghadeer e Khum in Kitab Al Irshad: (Meanwhile) the Commander of the Faithful, peace be on him, set out with the soldiers who had accompanied him to Yemen. He had with him the breas

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1 minute ago, Nightclaw said:

وقال النووي رحمه الله : "الصحابة كلهم عدول، من لابس الفتنة وغيرهم، بإجماع من يعتد به
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Dude what are you?

Abu hatim Al-Razi considered  Bara'a Bin Azib to be Sahabi. End Quote. Prove he is majhool if you can.

Zaid Bin Arqam is weak? I challenge you to prove it!

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Narrated Zaid bin Arqam:

The Prophet (ﷺ) fought nineteen Ghazwas and performed only one Hajj after he migrated (to Medina), and did not perform another Hajj after it, and that was Hajj-ul-Wada`,' Abu 'Is-haq said, "He performed when he was in Mecca."

حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ خَالِدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا زُهَيْرٌ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو إِسْحَاقَ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي زَيْدُ بْنُ أَرْقَمَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم غَزَا تِسْعَ عَشْرَةَ غَزْوَةً، وَأَنَّهُ حَجَّ بَعْدَ مَا هَاجَرَ حَجَّةً وَاحِدَةً لَمْ يَحُجَّ بَعْدَهَا حَجَّةَ الْوَدَاعِ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو إِسْحَاقَ وَبِمَكَّةَ أُخْرَى‏.‏
Reference     : Sahih al-Bukhari 4404
In-book reference     : Book 64, Hadith 426
USC-MSA web (English) reference     : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 686

Zaid b. Arqam reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) went out to the people of Quba' and saw them observing prayer; upon this he said:

The prayer of the penitent should be observed when the young weaned camels feel heat of the sun.
حَدَّثَنَا زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا الْقَاسِمُ الشَّيْبَانِيُّ، عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ أَرْقَمَ، قَالَ خَرَجَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَلَى أَهْلِ قُبَاءٍ وَهُمْ يُصَلُّونَ فَقَالَ ‏ "‏ صَلاَةُ الأَوَّابِينَ إِذَا رَمِضَتِ الْفِصَالُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏
Reference     : Sahih Muslim 748 b
In-book reference     : Book 6, Hadith 176
USC-MSA web (English) reference     : Book 4, Hadith 1631

It was narrated that Zaid bin Al-Arqam said:

"I heard the Messenger of Allah [SAW] say: 'Whoever does not take from his mustache, he is not one of us.'"
أَخْبَرَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الأَعْلَى، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا الْمُعْتَمِرُ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ يُوسُفَ بْنَ صُهَيْبٍ، يُحَدِّثُ عَنْ حَبِيبِ بْنِ يَسَارٍ، عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ أَرْقَمَ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ ‏ "‏ مَنْ لَمْ يَأْخُذْ شَارِبَهُ فَلَيْسَ مِنَّا ‏"‏ ‏.‏
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)        
Reference     : Sunan an-Nasa'i 5047
In-book reference     : Book 48, Hadith 8
English translation     : Vol. 6, Book 48, Hadith 5050

Zaid bin Arqam narrated:
"We used to talk behind Allah's Messenger (S) during the Salat, a man among us would talk to his companions next to him until (the following) was revealed: And stand before Allah with obedience. (2:238) So we were ordered to be silent and prohibited from talking."
حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مَنِيعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ، أَخْبَرَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ أَبِي خَالِدٍ، عَنِ الْحَارِثِ بْنِ شُبَيْلٍ، عَنْ أَبِي عَمْرٍو الشَّيْبَانِيِّ، عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ أَرْقَمَ، قَالَ كُنَّا نَتَكَلَّمُ خَلْفَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي الصَّلاَةِ يُكَلِّمُ الرَّجُلُ مِنَّا صَاحِبَهُ إِلَى جَنْبِهِ حَتَّى نَزَلَتْ ‏:‏ ‏(‏وَقُومُوا لِلَّهِ قَانِتِينَ ‏)‏ فَأُمِرْنَا بِالسُّكُوتِ وَنُهِينَا عَنِ الْكَلاَمِ ‏.‏ قَالَ وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنِ ابْنِ مَسْعُودٍ وَمُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ الْحَكَمِ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى حَدِيثُ زَيْدِ بْنِ أَرْقَمَ حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ ‏.‏ وَالْعَمَلُ عَلَيْهِ عِنْدَ أَكْثَرِ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ ‏.‏ قَالُوا إِذَا تَكَلَّمَ الرَّجُلُ عَامِدًا فِي الصَّلاَةِ أَوْ نَاسِيًا أَعَادَ الصَّلاَةَ ‏.‏ وَهُوَ قَوْلُ سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِيِّ وَابْنِ الْمُبَارَكِ وَأَهْلِ الْكُوفَةِ ‏.‏ وَقَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ إِذَا تَكَلَّمَ عَامِدًا فِي الصَّلاَةِ أَعَادَ الصَّلاَةَ وَإِنْ كَانَ نَاسِيًا أَوْ جَاهِلاً أَجْزَأَهُ ‏.‏ وَبِهِ يَقُولُ الشَّافِعِيُّ ‏.‏
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)        
Reference     : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 405
In-book reference     : Book 2, Hadith 258
English translation     : Vol. 1, Book 2, Hadith 405

Zaid b. Arqam said that the Prophet (May peace be upon him) addressed them, saying :
To proceed (amma ba’d)
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، عَنْ أَبِي حَيَّانَ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ حَيَّانَ، عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ أَرْقَمَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم خَطَبَهُمْ فَقَالَ ‏ "‏ أَمَّا بَعْدُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏
Grade    : Sahih (Al-Albani)      صحيح   (الألباني)    حكم   :
Reference     : Sunan Abi Dawud 4973
In-book reference     : Book 43, Hadith 201
English translation     : Book 42, Hadith 4955

It was narrated that ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Abi Laila said:
“Zaid bin Arqam used to say the Takbir four times in the funeral prayer, and he said the Takbir five times for one funeral. I asked him (about that) and he said: ‘The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to do that.’”
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، ح وَحَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ حَكِيمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ أَبِي عَدِيٍّ، وَأَبُو دَاوُدَ عَنْ شُعْبَةَ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مُرَّةَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ أَبِي لَيْلَى، قَالَ كَانَ زَيْدُ بْنُ أَرْقَمَ يُكَبِّرُ عَلَى جَنَائِزِنَا أَرْبَعًا وَأَنَّهُ كَبَّرَ عَلَى جِنَازَةٍ خَمْسًا فَسَأَلْتُهُ فَقَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ يُكَبِّرُهَا ‏.‏
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)        
Sunnah.com reference     : Sunan Ibn Majah Book 6, Hadith 73
English reference     : Vol. 1, Book 6, Hadith 1505
Arabic reference     : Book 6, Hadith 1572

A Companion who narrated in Sihaah Sitta is Weak.

You are qualified enough to reject all imams of Ahle Sunnah, reject your own salafi scholars etc and say Zaid Bin Arqam is weak.

 

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1 minute ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Abu hatim Al-Razi considered Bara'a Bin Azib to be Sahabi. End Quote. Prove he is majhool if you can.

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14 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Zaid Bin Arqam is weak? I challenge you to prove it!

Imam Ahmad said the chain was weak in his musnad because of 'Ali bin Zayd bin Jada'an, not Zayd bin Arqam. I thought that is whom you were speaking of and got the names mixed up.

Regardless, look at the first link I sent you.

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11 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

You don't need a detailed knowledge of Arabic grammar to discuss this point, as the truth or falsehood of this assertion doesn't hinge on a single word or a single phrase, but on facts of Islamic history, which are narrated thru hadith, at the macro level, which is what you are discussing. So I don't think there is any need to bring in 'Arabic grammar experts' in order to come to a conclusion. Again, this is only a technique being used to attempt to divert from the obvious conclusion, i.e. that this assertion is incorrect. 

It is a wonder that you speak of facts on Islamic history but cannot provide evidence [hadith or otherwise] that 'Umar broke Fatima's ribs before the 10th century - 350 odd years after the death of the Messenger, but you want to speak on facts? And narrations? This narration appeared from thin air, but you speak of facts on Islamic history? 

You truly have no pegleg to stand on when it comes to Islamic history because all of your sources are either distorted, fabricated, or bias. In the lens of history, the way the Shi'a portray things did not happened.

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Al-Bara' bin `Azib said (through another chain of sub-narrators):
"On the day of Quraiza's (siege), Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said to Hassan bin Thabit, 'Abuse them (with your poems), and Jibril is with you.'"
وَزَادَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ طَهْمَانَ عَنِ الشَّيْبَانِيِّ، عَنْ عَدِيِّ بْنِ ثَابِتٍ، عَنِ الْبَرَاءِ بْنِ عَازِبٍ، قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَوْمَ قُرَيْظَةَ لِحَسَّانَ بْنِ ثَابِتٍ ‏ "‏ اهْجُ الْمُشْرِكِينَ، فَإِنَّ جِبْرِيلَ مَعَكَ ‏"‏‏.‏
Reference     : Sahih al-Bukhari 4124
In-book reference     : Book 64, Hadith 168
USC-MSA web (English) reference     : Vol. 1, Book 59, Hadith 449

Abu Ishaq said that he heard al-Bara' b. 'Azib (Allah be pleased with him say:

The last verse revealed (in the Holy Quran) is that pertaining to Kalala, and the last sura revealed is Sura al-Bara'at.
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُثَنَّى، وَابْنُ، بَشَّارٍ قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاقَ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ الْبَرَاءَ بْنَ عَازِبٍ، يَقُولُ آخِرُ آيَةٍ أُنْزِلَتْ آيَةُ الْكَلاَلَةِ وَآخِرُ سُورَةٍ أُنْزِلَتْ بَرَاءَةُ ‏.‏
Reference     : Sahih Muslim 1618 b
In-book reference     : Book 23, Hadith 14
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Al-Bara bin Azib narrated:
"The Prophet would recite: By the fig and the olive for Isha."
حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادٌ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، عَنْ يَحْيَى بْنِ سَعِيدٍ الأَنْصَارِيِّ، عَنْ عَدِيِّ بْنِ ثَابِتٍ، عَنِ الْبَرَاءِ بْنِ عَازِبٍ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَرَأَ فِي الْعِشَاءِ الآخِرَةِ بِالتِّينِ وَالزَّيْتُونِ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ ‏.‏
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)        
Reference     : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 310
In-book reference     : Book 2, Hadith 162
English translation     : Vol. 1, Book 2, Hadith 310

It was narrated that Bara’ bin ‘Azib said:
“The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) commanded us to throw away the meat of domesticated donkeys, raw or cooked, then he did not say anything to us about it after that.”
حَدَّثَنَا سُوَيْدُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ مُسْهِرٍ، عَنْ عَاصِمٍ، عَنِ الشَّعْبِيِّ، عَنِ الْبَرَاءِ بْنِ عَازِبٍ، قَالَ أَمَرَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ أَنْ نُلْقِيَ لُحُومَ الْحُمُرِ الأَهْلِيَّةِ نِيئَةً وَنَضِيجَةً ثُمَّ لَمْ يَأْمُرْنَا بِهِ بَعْدُ ‏.‏
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)        
Sunnah.com reference     : Ibn majah Book 27, Hadith 33
English reference     : Vol. 4, Book 27, Hadith 3194
Arabic reference     : Book 27, Hadith 3315

It was narrated that Al-Bara bin 'Azib said:

"The Messenger of Allah commanded us to do seven things, and forbade us form seven things. He commanded us to visit the risk, to reply (say: Yarhamuk Allah, may Allah have mercy on you) to one who sneezes, to fulfill our oaths, to support the oppressed, to spread the greeting of Salam, to accept invitation, and to attend funerals. And he forbade us from using gold rings, silver vessels, Mayathir, the Qasiyyah, Al-Istabraq, silk and Ad-Dibaj."
أَخْبَرَنَا سُلَيْمَانُ بْنُ مَنْصُورٍ الْبَلْخِيُّ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الأَحْوَصِ، ح وَأَنْبَأَنَا هَنَّادُ بْنُ السَّرِيِّ، فِي حَدِيثِهِ عَنْ أَبِي الأَحْوَصِ، عَنْ أَشْعَثَ، عَنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ سُوَيْدٍ، قَالَ هَنَّادٌ قَالَ الْبَرَاءُ بْنُ عَازِبٍ وَقَالَ سُلَيْمَانُ عَنِ الْبَرَاءِ بْنِ عَازِبٍ، قَالَ أَمَرَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم بِسَبْعٍ وَنَهَانَا عَنْ سَبْعٍ أَمَرَنَا بِعِيَادَةِ الْمَرِيضِ وَتَشْمِيتِ الْعَاطِسِ وَإِبْرَارِ الْقَسَمِ وَنُصْرَةِ الْمَظْلُومِ وَإِفْشَاءِ السَّلاَمِ وَإِجَابَةِ الدَّاعِي وَاتِّبَاعِ الْجَنَائِزِ وَنَهَانَا عَنْ خَوَاتِيمِ الذَّهَبِ وَعَنْ آنِيَةِ الْفِضَّةِ وَعَنِ الْمَيَاثِرِ وَالْقَسِّيَّةِ وَالإِسْتَبْرَقِ وَالْحَرِيرِ وَالدِّيبَاجِ ‏.‏
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)        
Reference     : Sunan an-Nasa'i 1939
In-book reference     : Book 21, Hadith 123
English translation     : Vol. 3, Book 21, Hadith 1941

Narrated Al-Bara' bin 'Azib:
The last verse revealed about the decease who left no descendants or ascendants: "They ask thee for the legal decision. Say: Allah directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs."
حَدَّثَنَا مُسْلِمُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاقَ، عَنِ الْبَرَاءِ بْنِ عَازِبٍ، قَالَ آخِرُ آيَةٍ نَزَلَتْ فِي الْكَلاَلَةِ ‏{‏ يَسْتَفْتُونَكَ قُلِ اللَّهُ يُفْتِيكُمْ فِي الْكَلاَلَةِ ‏}‏ ‏.‏
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Reference     : Sunan Abi Dawud 2888
In-book reference     : Book 19, Hadith 4
English translation     : Book 18, Hadith 2882

Here. he said Bara'a Bin Aazib (A Sahabi) who narrated in all books of Sihaah Sitta is Majhool

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2 minutes ago, Nightclaw said:

You truly have no pegleg to stand on when it comes to Islamic history because all of your sources are either distorted, fabricated, or bias. In the lens of history, the way the Shi'a portray things did not happened

Can you really say that while you failed to prove the Context of Ghadeer e khum was complaints from Yemen?

I responded to each and every reference of yours. Neither in shia nor sunni sources, context of Ghadeer e Khum was complaints from yemen.

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25 minutes ago, Nightclaw said:

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والصحابة جميعا عدول لتعديل الله لهم ، وتعديل النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لهم ، حيث قال الله تعالى : (وَالسَّابِقُونَ الْأَوَّلُونَ مِنَ الْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَالْأَنْصَارِ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُمْ بِإِحْسَانٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُوا عَنْهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي تَحْتَهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ذَلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ) التوبة/100 ، وقال الله تعالى : (وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطاً) البقرة/143.

وقال تعالى : (كُنْتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ أُخْرِجَتْ لِلنَّاسِ) آل عمران/110 .

وأول من يدخل من ذلك هم أصحاب النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ، فإنه خير الأمة ، وخير الناس ، كما تواتر الحديث بذلك عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم .

What an ignorance!!!

It appears that your scholars are there just to misguide people. Neither the verse 2:143 nor 3:110 mentions the companions rather these two verses mention Imams.

وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِّتَكُونُواْ شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا 

2:143

So where are those شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ?.

كُنتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ أُخْرِجَتْ لِلنَّاسِ تَأْمُرُونَ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَتَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ

3:110

So Khalid bin Waleed killed a companion by declaring him apostate, that was his amr bil ma'ruf?

Aisha came out riding her camel with thousands of companions to fight with Imam Ali (عليه السلام), that was her amr bil ma'ruf?

Muawiyah fought with Imam Ali (عليه السلام) for amr bil ma'ruf?

This  خير امة killed Imam Hussain (عليه السلام), this was their act of amr bil ma'ruf?

 

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4 hours ago, Nightclaw said:

This is from ibn Abu Hatim al-Razi, the teacher of Imam Nasa'i and Imam Abu Dawood; a renowned scholar of hadith who was excellent in verification

As per so called Master of Verification of Hadiths Imam Abi Hatim's own admission, he had only collected Sahih chains in his book. We read in Volume 1 page 14:

سألني جماعة من اخواني اخراج تفسير القرآن مختصرا بأصح الأسانيد…..فأجبتهم إلى ملتمسهم وبالله التوفيق

“A group of my brothers requested that I write a brief commentary of the Qur'an with the most Sahih chains…. I therefore responded to their request and Allah grants success”. 

Tafsir ibn Abi Hatim, Volume 4 page 1172:

 حدثنا أبي ثنا عثمان بن خرزاد ثنا إسماعيل بن زكريا ثنا علي بن عابس عن الأعمش  وابي الحجاب عن عطية العوفي عن أبي سعيد الخدري قال : نزلت هذه الآية يا أيها الرسول بلغ ما انزل اليك من ربك في علي بن أبي طالب.

 Narrated my father from Uthman bin Kharzad from Ismail bin Zakaria from Ali bin Abes from al-Amash  and Abi al-Hajeb from  Attya al-Aufi from Abu Saeed al-Khudari who said: This verse {O Messenger! deliver what bas been revealed to you from your Lord} has been revealed about Ali bin Abi Talib.

And in other books, hadith is:

Abu Saeed Al Khudri said: This verse 5:67 was revealed at Ghadeer e khum regarding Ali Ibn Abi Talib (Ibn Asakir etc)

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1 minute ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

As per so called Master of Verification of Hadiths Imam Abi Hatim's own admission, he had only collected Sahih chains in his book. We read in Volume 1 page 14:

سألني جماعة من اخواني اخراج تفسير القرآن مختصرا بأصح الأسانيد…..فأجبتهم إلى ملتمسهم وبالله التوفيق

“A group of my brothers requested that I write a brief commentary of the Qur'an with the most Sahih chains…. I therefore responded to their request and Allah grants success”. 

Tafsir ibn Abi Hatim, Volume 4 page 1172:

 حدثنا أبي ثنا عثمان بن خرزاد ثنا إسماعيل بن زكريا ثنا علي بن عابس عن الأعمش  وابي الحجاب عن عطية العوفي عن أبي سعيد الخدري قال : نزلت هذه الآية يا أيها الرسول بلغ ما انزل اليك من ربك في علي بن أبي طالب.

 Narrated my father from Uthman bin Kharzad from Ismail bin Zakaria from Ali bin Abes from al-Amash  and Abi al-Hajeb from  Attya al-Aufi from Abu Saeed al-Khudari who said: This verse {O Messenger! deliver what bas been revealed to you from your Lord} has been revealed about Ali bin Abi Talib.

And in other books, hadith is:

Abu Saeed Al Khudri said: This verse 5:67 was revealed at Ghadeer e khum regarding Ali Ibn Abi Talib (Ibn Asakir etc)

Reread the link I sent you. Look carefully and examine Imam al-Nawawi's statements as well as others before and after him.

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13 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

The discussion is not about this point. It's about Ghadeer. Please stop diverting the topic. It's annoying. 

You are absolutely correct - it is not. That does not change the fact you have no peg leg to stand on when it comes to speaking about "historical facts". What annoys me equal to and more than me "diverting" is you callously speaking of "facts" that are fabricated.

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21 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Can you really say that while you failed to prove the Context of Ghadeer e khum was complaints from Yemen?

I responded to each and every reference of yours. Neither in shia nor sunni sources, context of Ghadeer e Khum was complaints from yemen.

Once I get my hands on the Tarikh ul-Islam and a few other references, I will come back to this. 

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7 minutes ago, Nightclaw said:

Reread the link I sent you. Look carefully and examine Imam al-Nawawi's statements as well as others before and after him.

I cannot find Ali Bin Zaid there.

I cannot find 5:67 there

I cannot find anything related to Ghadeer there.

If you want to quote something from whole past arabic here and translate if possible.

1 minute ago, Nightclaw said:

Once I get my hands on the Tarikh ul-Islam and a few other references, I will come back to this. 

InshaAllah. 

You will not get anything but "It is said that companions complained about Ali so Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) addressed them at Ghadeer ......."

 

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4 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

I cannot find Ali Bin Zaid there.

I cannot find 5:67 there

I cannot find anything related to Ghadeer there.

If you want to quote something from whole past arabic here and translate if possible.

Look what it says about the companions. Just read the entire page. It would take a while to translate the whole thing.

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@Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

دَّثَنَا عَبْد اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ عُمَرَ الْوَكِيعِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا زَيْدُ بْنُ الْحُبَابِ، حَدَّثَنَا الْوَلِيدُ بْنُ عُقْبَةَ بْنِ نِزَارٍ الْعَنْسِيُّ، حَدَّثَنِي سِمَاكُ بْنُ عُبَيْدِ بْنِ الْوَلِيدِ الْعَبْسِيُّ،
قَالَ دَخَلْتُ عَلَى عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ أَبِي لَيْلَى فَحَدَّثَنِي أَنَّهُ شَهِدَ عَلِيًّا رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ فِي الرَّحَبَةِ قَالَ أَنْشُدُ اللَّهَ رَجُلًا سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَشَهِدَهُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ إِلَّا قَامَ وَلَا يَقُومُ إِلَّا مَنْ قَدْ رَآهُ فَقَامَ اثْنَا عَشَرَ رَجُلًا فَقَالُوا قَدْ رَأَيْنَاهُ وَسَمِعْنَاهُ حَيْثُ أَخَذَ بِيَدِهِ يَقُولُ اللَّهُمَّ وَالِ مَنْ وَالَاهُ وَعَادِ مَنْ عَادَاهُ وَانْصُرْ مَنْ نَصَرَهُ وَاخْذُلْ مَنْ خَذَلَهُ فَقَامَ إِلَّا ثَلَاثَةٌ لَمْ يَقُومُوا فَدَعَا عَلَيْهِمْ فَأَصَابَتْهُمْ دَعْوَتُهُ
 مسند احمد ٩٦٤ 

*I crossed out the part that makes the chain weak, but it is graded as hasan due to other chains [but was originally weak due to the addition - the crossed out part].

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا الرَّبِيعُ يَعْنِي ابْنَ أَبِي صَالِحٍ الْأَسْلَمِيَّ، حَدَّثَنِي زِيَادُ بْنُ أَبِي زِيَادٍ،
سَمِعْتُ عَلِيَّ بْنَ أَبِي طَالِبٍ، رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ يَنْشُدُ النَّاسَ فَقَالَ أَنْشُدُ اللَّهَ رَجُلًا مُسْلِمًا سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ مَا قَالَ فَقَامَ اثْنَا عَشَرَ بَدْرِيًّا فَشَهِدُوا‏.‏
مسند احمد ٦٧٠
صَحِيْح لِغَيْرِه 

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْد اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ حَكِيمٍ الْأَوْدِيُّ، أَنْبَأَنَا شَرِيكٌ، عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاقَ، عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ وَهْبٍ، وَعَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ يُثَيْعٍ،
 قَالَا نَشَدَ عَلِيٌّ النَّاسَ فِي الرَّحَبَةِ مَنْ سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ إِلَّا قَامَ قَالَ فَقَامَ مِنْ قِبَلِ سَعِيدٍ سِتَّةٌ وَمِنْ قِبَلِ زَيْدٍ سِتَّةٌ فَشَهِدُوا أَنَّهُمْ سَمِعُوا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ لِعَلِيٍّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ أَلَيْسَ اللَّهُ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ قَالُوا بَلَى قَالَ اللَّهُمَّ مَنْ كُنْتُ مَوْلَاهُ فَعَلِيٌّ مَوْلَاهُ اللَّهُمَّ وَالِ مَنْ وَالَاهُ وَعَادِ مَنْ عَادَاهُ
 مسند احمد ٩٥٢, ٩٥١, ٩٥٠ 
صَحِيْح لِغَيْرِه 

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْد اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنِي عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عُمَرَ الْقَوَارِيرِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا يُونُسُ بْنُ أَرْقَمَ، حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ أَبِي زِيَادٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ أَبِي لَيْلَى،
قَالَ شَهِدْتُ عَلِيًّا رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ فِي الرَّحَبَةِ يَنْشُدُ النَّاسَ أَنْشُدُ اللَّهَ مَنْ سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ مَنْ كُنْتُ مَوْلَاهُ فَعَلِيٌّ مَوْلَاهُ لَمَّا قَامَ فَشَهِدَ قَالَ عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ فَقَامَ اثْنَا عَشَرَ بَدْرِيًّا كَأَنِّي أَنْظُرُ إِلَى أَحَدِهِمْ فَقَالُوا نَشْهَدُ أَنَّا سَمِعْنَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ أَلَسْتُ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ وَأَزْوَاجِي أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ فَقُلْنَا بَلَى يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ قَالَ فَمَنْ كُنْتُ مَوْلَاهُ فَعَلِيٌّ مَوْلَاهُ اللَّهُمَّ وَالِ مَنْ وَالَاهُ وَعَادِ مَنْ عَادَاهُ
مسند احمد ٩٦١ 
حَسَنُ لِغَيْرِه - هذا إسناد ضعيف ؛ لضعف يزيد بن أبي زياد

Therefore, we can conclude that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) did say what said at Ghadir Khumm. 

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4 hours ago, Nightclaw said:

@Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

دَّثَنَا عَبْد اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ عُمَرَ الْوَكِيعِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا زَيْدُ بْنُ الْحُبَابِ، حَدَّثَنَا الْوَلِيدُ بْنُ عُقْبَةَ بْنِ نِزَارٍ الْعَنْسِيُّ، حَدَّثَنِي سِمَاكُ بْنُ عُبَيْدِ بْنِ الْوَلِيدِ الْعَبْسِيُّ،
قَالَ دَخَلْتُ عَلَى عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ أَبِي لَيْلَى فَحَدَّثَنِي أَنَّهُ شَهِدَ عَلِيًّا رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ فِي الرَّحَبَةِ قَالَ أَنْشُدُ اللَّهَ رَجُلًا سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَشَهِدَهُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ إِلَّا قَامَ وَلَا يَقُومُ إِلَّا مَنْ قَدْ رَآهُ فَقَامَ اثْنَا عَشَرَ رَجُلًا فَقَالُوا قَدْ رَأَيْنَاهُ وَسَمِعْنَاهُ حَيْثُ أَخَذَ بِيَدِهِ يَقُولُ اللَّهُمَّ وَالِ مَنْ وَالَاهُ وَعَادِ مَنْ عَادَاهُ وَانْصُرْ مَنْ نَصَرَهُ وَاخْذُلْ مَنْ خَذَلَهُ فَقَامَ إِلَّا ثَلَاثَةٌ لَمْ يَقُومُوا فَدَعَا عَلَيْهِمْ فَأَصَابَتْهُمْ دَعْوَتُهُ
 مسند احمد ٩٦٤ 

*I crossed out the part that makes the chain weak, but it is graded as hasan due to other chains [but was originally weak due to the addition - the crossed out part].

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا الرَّبِيعُ يَعْنِي ابْنَ أَبِي صَالِحٍ الْأَسْلَمِيَّ، حَدَّثَنِي زِيَادُ بْنُ أَبِي زِيَادٍ،
سَمِعْتُ عَلِيَّ بْنَ أَبِي طَالِبٍ، رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ يَنْشُدُ النَّاسَ فَقَالَ أَنْشُدُ اللَّهَ رَجُلًا مُسْلِمًا سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ مَا قَالَ فَقَامَ اثْنَا عَشَرَ بَدْرِيًّا فَشَهِدُوا‏.‏
مسند احمد ٦٧٠
صَحِيْح لِغَيْرِه 

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْد اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ حَكِيمٍ الْأَوْدِيُّ، أَنْبَأَنَا شَرِيكٌ، عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاقَ، عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ وَهْبٍ، وَعَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ يُثَيْعٍ،
 قَالَا نَشَدَ عَلِيٌّ النَّاسَ فِي الرَّحَبَةِ مَنْ سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ إِلَّا قَامَ قَالَ فَقَامَ مِنْ قِبَلِ سَعِيدٍ سِتَّةٌ وَمِنْ قِبَلِ زَيْدٍ سِتَّةٌ فَشَهِدُوا أَنَّهُمْ سَمِعُوا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ لِعَلِيٍّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ أَلَيْسَ اللَّهُ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ قَالُوا بَلَى قَالَ اللَّهُمَّ مَنْ كُنْتُ مَوْلَاهُ فَعَلِيٌّ مَوْلَاهُ اللَّهُمَّ وَالِ مَنْ وَالَاهُ وَعَادِ مَنْ عَادَاهُ
 مسند احمد ٩٥٢, ٩٥١, ٩٥٠ 
صَحِيْح لِغَيْرِه 

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْد اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنِي عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عُمَرَ الْقَوَارِيرِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا يُونُسُ بْنُ أَرْقَمَ، حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ أَبِي زِيَادٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ أَبِي لَيْلَى،
قَالَ شَهِدْتُ عَلِيًّا رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ فِي الرَّحَبَةِ يَنْشُدُ النَّاسَ أَنْشُدُ اللَّهَ مَنْ سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ مَنْ كُنْتُ مَوْلَاهُ فَعَلِيٌّ مَوْلَاهُ لَمَّا قَامَ فَشَهِدَ قَالَ عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ فَقَامَ اثْنَا عَشَرَ بَدْرِيًّا كَأَنِّي أَنْظُرُ إِلَى أَحَدِهِمْ فَقَالُوا نَشْهَدُ أَنَّا سَمِعْنَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ أَلَسْتُ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ وَأَزْوَاجِي أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ فَقُلْنَا بَلَى يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ قَالَ فَمَنْ كُنْتُ مَوْلَاهُ فَعَلِيٌّ مَوْلَاهُ اللَّهُمَّ وَالِ مَنْ وَالَاهُ وَعَادِ مَنْ عَادَاهُ
مسند احمد ٩٦١ 
حَسَنُ لِغَيْرِه - هذا إسناد ضعيف ؛ لضعف يزيد بن أبي زياد

Therefore, we can conclude that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) did say what said at Ghadir Khumm. 

What does this prove?

Muslim2010 already had quoted these to prove that Sermon of Ghadeer e khum was authentic.

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Without proving that complaints of Yemen where the reason Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) addressed people at Ghadeer. Your whole Mazhab looses weight dear. Why would Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) for no reason deliver such a sermon telling thousands of Sahaba to adhere to Quran and Ahlebait After him and that these will never separate from each other till they meet me at hawd. And then bring Ali ibn Abi Talib (عليه السلام) in front of everyone and say Do I not have more right over believers then they have over themselves? When everyone testifies to it then say For whomever I am Mawla Ali is his Mawla. Oh Allah love those who love Ali and Hate those who Hate Ali?


Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Raheem
In the name of Allah, The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful

وَٱلنَّجْمِ إِذَا هَوَىٰ
1. By the star when it descends,

مَا ضَلَّ صَاحِبُكُمْ وَمَا غَوَىٰ
2. Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,

وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ ٱلْهَوَىٰٓ
3. Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.

إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْىٌۭ يُوحَىٰ
4. It is not but a revelation revealed,

عَلَّمَهُۥ شَدِيدُ ٱلْقُوَىٰ
5. Taught to him by one intense in strength –

Now the weak hadith of Ayah e Baligh (In Sunni sources) makes much more sense than fabricated narrative based on wrong ijtehaad. At least Hadith of Ayah Baligh being revealed at Ghadeer doesn't come from people accused of lying in sunni sources and also makes much more sense.

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3 hours ago, Ansur Shiat Ali said:

@Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi
It seems this topic is all over the place, So @Nightclaw is trying to weaken Ghadir Khum?

Probably.

He's trying to weaken it.

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12 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Probably.

He's trying to weaken it.

Hassan Ibn Farhan al Maliki (may Allah help him) says that the Hadith of Ghadīr Khumm is the most Muttawatir Hadith on the earth.

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6 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

What does this prove?

Muslim2010 already had quoted these to prove that Sermon of Ghadeer e khum was authentic.

Not the one in al-Ihtijaj. But it was due to complaints in Yemen. Chronologically, it happened because of the complaints in Yemen. The only time this is mentioned is the through complaints in Yemen in our books.

Second, I am not trying to weak the narration. If you had been paying attention, I am saying that this long sermon that is in al-Ihtijaj never happened because it has no chain of narration, no narrators.

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Just now, Nightclaw said:

Not the one in al-Ihtijaj. But it was due to complaints in Yemen. Chronologically, it happened because of the complaints in Yemen. The only time this is mentioned is the through complaints in Yemen in our books.

Second, I am not trying to weak the narration. If you had been paying attention, I am saying that this long sermon that is in al-Ihtijaj never happened because it has no chain of narration, no narrators.

It is not mentioned in your books!

Produce a single reference if it is!

As for ihtejaj, author said he listed hadiths that had no weakness in chains thus according to shia standards. and a bunch of shia sources were lost overtime so you can't say it wasn't found in any classical source thus dis-regarded.

It is indeed authentic according to shia standards

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37 minutes ago, Ansur Shiat Ali said:

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From Al Bidayah Wa Al Nihayah:

وقد روى النسائي في " سننه " عن محمد بن المثنى ، عن يحيى بن حماد ، عن أبي عوانة ، عن الأعمش ، ، عن حبيب بن أبي ثابت ، عن أبي الطفيل ، عن زيد بن أرقم قال : لما رجع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من حجة الوداع ، ونزل غدير خم ، أمر بدوحات فقممن ، ثم قال : " كأني قد دعيت فأجبت ، إني قد تركت فيكم الثقلين ، أحدهما أكبر من الآخر كتاب الله وعترتي أهل بيتي ، فانظروا كيف تخلفوني فيهما ، فإنهما لن يفترقا حتى يردا علي الحوض " . ثم قال : " الله مولاي ، وأنا ولي كل مؤمن " . ثم أخذ بيد علي فقال : " من كنت مولاه فهذا وليه ، اللهم وال من والاه ، وعاد من عاداه " . فقلت لزيد : سمعته من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ؟ فقال : ما كان في الدوحات أحد إلا رآه بعينيه وسمعه بأذنيه . تفرد به النسائي من هذا الوجه . قال شيخنا أبو عبد الله الذهبي : وهذا حديث صحيح .

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

It is not mentioned in your books!

Produce a single reference if it is!

As for ihtejaj, author said he listed hadiths that had no weakness in chains thus according to shia standards. and a bunch of shia sources were lost overtime so you can't say it wasn't found in any classical source thus dis-regarded.

It is indeed authentic according to shia standards

No prior chain of narration nor was it mentioned beforehand - how is it authentic?

Also, I have provided evidence. Look at the chronology of it. Explicitly, it is not mentioned. Implicitly, though, It is. If you were to say it is not mentioned, then you would have to find why it is anachronistic and not able to be compared with it. The Messenger addressed them at Ghadir concerning 'Ali and this is prevalent. The narrations and history proves it. You can disagree due to it not being explicitly mentioned, but it does not prove it wrong - in fact, it proves the opposite due to the evidence provided.

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50 minutes ago, Nightclaw said:

No prior chain of narration nor was it mentioned beforehand - how is it authentic?

Also, I have provided evidence. Look at the chronology of it. Explicitly, it is not mentioned. Implicitly, though, It is. If you were to say it is not mentioned, then you would have to find why it is anachronistic and not able to be compared with it. The Messenger addressed them at Ghadir concerning 'Ali and this is prevalent. The narrations and history proves it. You can disagree due to it not being explicitly mentioned, but it does not prove it wrong - in fact, it proves the opposite due to the evidence provided.

I think we are done with it.

Report of Ihtejaj: Because author included hadiths that were sahih according to him. Go read Muqadmah of ihtejaj e tabrisi.

1. Reports of Buraida were from Madinah as Sahih Hadith of Imran Bin Hossein proved.

2. Reports of complaint during 2nd expedition to Yemen aren't authentic.

3. What adds more to their fakeness is that when Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) already sorted out things at Madinah, then why would companions repeat same action while knowing about the consequences? since Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) already told them to stop complaining about Ali (عليه السلام) almost 2 years ago.

4. Those reports mention that Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) sorted out Issues at Mecca (Not at Ghadeer e khum) as he rose to address the complaints and Ibn Ishaq writes:

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After responding to complaints, Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) got busy with rituals and taught them about Hajj. Thus again they don't prove anything related to Ghadeer.

So you see the problems with these reports. They don't even prove anything that you and your scholars want to prove.

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Was the House of Fatima Burned?

3- The narration of Al-Baladhuri in Ansab Al-Ashraf: The narration is weak due to the anonymity of Maslama bin Muharib. RTS quoted Ibn Hibban’s inclusion of this narrator in his book Al-Thiqaat, but as we have explained in previous articles, Ibn Hibban was infamous for including people that he does not know in this book. For example, in his book of trustworthy narrators, he said, “Suhail bin Amr, a shaikh that narrates from his father, and Hammam bin Yahya narrated from him. I do not know who he is nor do I know his father.”

From ts.net go here:

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The Narrators of First Narration:

Yahya Bin Abdullah Bin Abdur Rehman Bin Abu Amara -> Yazid Bin Talha Bin Yazid Bin Rukana -> Ali Ibn Abi Talib (عليه السلام):

These two narrators have only been mentioned by At-Thiqaat by ibn Hibban only hence they are Majhool. Else you'll have to accept that Fatimah (عليه السلام) was attacked! (Which you can't I believe)

Therefore narration becomes almost fake.

And Second Narration of Abu Saed Al-Khudri (رضي الله عنه) doesn't mention anything thus its of no use.

It says When men complained about Ali (عليه السلام), Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) rose to address them that don't complain about Ali.

Thats it.

Where did it happen?

Who were the men who complained about Ali? (Hadith doesn't even mention army or people of yemen)

Hadith doesn't mention people complained at Ghadeer e khum neither it mentions that Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) address them at Mecca or Ghadir.

Man admit it. Ahle-Sunnah can never prove it!

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9 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

2. Reports of complaint during 2nd expedition to Yemen aren't authentic.

This was for the delegation during the last year. 

10 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

4. Those reports mention that Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) sorted out Issues at Mecca (Not at Ghadeer e khum) as he rose to address the complaints and Ibn Ishaq writes:

All of the narrations corroborate to Ghadir. You would have to prove otherwise and why it is anachronistic and unrelated to event at hand. 

11 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

1. Reports of Buraida were from Madinah as Sahih Hadith of Imran Bin Hossein proved.

So this singular report to Burraida at Medina was addressed to one person? Then why does everyone know about it? Again, this authentic narration does not prove anything that you are trying to. Everyone knows about these words - not only Burraida. 

16 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

3. What adds more to their fakeness is that when Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) already sorted out things at Madinah, then why would companions repeat same action while knowing about the consequences? since Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) already told them to stop complaining about Ali (عليه السلام) almost 2 years ago.

Huh? This was in the final year of the Messenger. 

18 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

After responding to complaints, Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) got busy with rituals and taught them about Hajj. Thus again they don't prove anything related to Ghadeer.

So you see the problems with these reports. They don't even prove anything that you and your scholars want to prove.

Look up the report of Sa'id al Khudri. I cannot post it because I am on my phone as of now. 

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1 minute ago, Nightclaw said:

So this singular report to Burraida at Medina was addressed to one person? Then why does everyone know about it?

Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:
that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) dispatched an army and he put 'Ali bin Abi Talib in charge of it. He left on the expedition and he entered upon a female slave. So four of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) scolded him, and they made a pact saying: "[If] we meet the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) we will inform him of what 'Ali did." When the Muslims returned from the journey, they would begin with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and give him Salam, then they would go to their homes. So when the expedition arrived, they gave Salam to the Prophet (ﷺ), and one of the four stood saying: "O Messenger of Allah! Do you see that 'Ali bin Abi Talib did such and such."

Tirimdhi 3712

They complained about Ali in front of everyone. Go read that narration.

Plus if it wasn't to Buraida at Madinah,

Then it wasn't said to buraida at Ghadeer either.

Because at Ghadeer Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) didn't address one person specifically, rather addressed everyone as it was a sermon.

You are just getting confused before hadiths have same wording.

Zaid Ibn Arqam and Ali (عليه السلام) mentioned Ghadir by name why did Zaid Bin Arqam didn't mention that People complained so Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) rose to address them? 

 عن زيد بن أرقم قال : لما رجع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من حجة الوداع ، ونزل غدير خم

He mentions about this journey yet doesn't mention such important thing?

By the way first prove that Book seerah Ibn Ishaq is authentic and then prove that narration of Complaint is authentic!

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13 minutes ago, Nightclaw said:

Huh? This was in the final year of the Messenger. 

33 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) dispatched them twice too yemen and one trip was almost 2 years before the last one.

Seerah Ibn Ishaq says the same:

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and in Tabqaat Ibn Qubra:

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18 minutes ago, Nightclaw said:

Look up the report of Sa'id al Khudri. I cannot post it because I am on my phone as of now. 

 

20 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

And Second Narration of Abu Saed Al-Khudri (رضي الله عنه) doesn't mention anything thus its of no use.

It says When men complained about Ali (عليه السلام), Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) rose to address them that don't complain about Ali.

Thats it.

Where did it happen?

Who were the men who complained about Ali? (Hadith doesn't even mention army or people of yemen)

Hadith doesn't mention people complained at Ghadeer e khum neither it mentions that Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) address them at Mecca or Ghadir.

 

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