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Did you vote for Democratic Zionist or Republican Zionist?

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1 hour ago, lissenma said:

It's not about that. We shias should condemn oppression. what's being done to palestinians is oppression.

They're bringing it upon themselves. Every country in the world is trying to help broker peace, and Israel has gone to great lengths. But the Palestinians won't budge on any of their unreasonable demands.

And all that the palestinian muftis do in the mosque is preach hatred and violence, directly going against Islam's message of peace

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The difference between the Dems and Republicans seems to be that the latter are currently putting forward candidates whose first inclination is to push the Zionist agenda as far and as quickly as possible and normalising what used to be considered extremist positions even within the pro-Israeli mindset of western politicians.

I am sorry some of you don't see that.

The following is quite scary:

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The war chest will help him amplify his powerful voice on social media and give him even more power to influence Republican primary races. His strategy also complicates the situation for Republicans who are widely believed to want to run for president in four years, including Nikki Haley, former South Carolina governor, and Mike Pompeo, his secretary of state.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/e20918e2-279c-43f2-890c-58fa470da5a9

 

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6 hours ago, lissenma said:

at the end of the day, it's 2 wings of the same bird. Left wing, right wing.

 

If by that you mean they're essentially the same. I'd disagree. There was an international consensus e.g. about:

  • the status of Jerusalem
  • Arab recognition of Israel
  • status of settlements
  • aid to Palestinians

that Trump has unilaterally changed and he has adopted the position of the most right-wing of Israelis - which is not to compromise at all.

So no, I don't think they are two wings of the same bird.

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On 11/21/2020 at 8:50 AM, Dubilex said:

But the Palestinians won't budge on any of their unreasonable demands.

Unreasonable demands? It's their land!! Palestinians are indigenous to the land. There shouldn't be compromise with a settler-colonial state. You don't compromise with invaders/colonizers!

Furthermore, why is it surprising to you that a people who are under constant oppression, occupation, bombing, apartheid, etc., -- why is it surprising that some of the people among them would resort to terrorism? Anyways, Hamas, the PLO, and other rejectionists are not terrorists, they are militias.

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On 12/6/2020 at 8:54 PM, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

Unreasonable demands? It's their land!! Palestinians are indigenous to the land. There shouldn't be compromise with a settler-colonial state. You don't compromise with invaders/colonizers!

Furthermore, why is it surprising to you that a people who are under constant oppression, occupation, bombing, apartheid, etc., -- why is it surprising that some of the people among them would resort to terrorism? Anyways, Hamas, the PLO, and other rejectionists are not terrorists, they are militias.

In the Quran, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) promised the jews the land of Israel. It says it clearly. And before 1948, there wasn't even a concept of "palestinian" identity. Before 1948, they were simply just known as arabs

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1 hour ago, Dubilex said:

In the Quran, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) promised the jews the land of Israel. It says it clearly. And before 1948, there wasn't even a concept of "palestinian" identity. Before 1948, they were simply just known as arabs

You copied this from Friday the 11th's "700 Club". l know because l had left the TV on and heard/watched it.

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18 hours ago, Dubilex said:

And before 1948, there wasn't even a concept of "palestinian" identity. Before 1948, they were simply just known as arabs

I'm aware... By the Palestinians being 'indigenous to the land' I refer to the nationality of the Arab people living under the British Mandate of Palestine (1918-1948) prior to the state of Israel. European Jewish settlers & Middle-Eastern Jews I refer to as the Israelis, as they live under the same Settler lifestyle and share the same guiding beliefs. I used the word 'Palestinian' in contrast to 'Israeli'. This is common terminology, so I'm unsure as to why I have to explain myself.

18 hours ago, Dubilex said:

In the Quran, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) promised the jews the land of Israel.

This is a patently false claim and common Zionist rhetoric -- of both non-Muslim and Muslim Zionists alike. Absolutely no promise of land to any group is made in the Qu'ran, these are all miss-interpretations of the Qu'ran -- made by some fringe Sunnis and some non-Muslims and then propagated by Zionists. There is not one Shia who has ever made such interpretations since the inception of Islamic scholarship, so I don't know why you are even entertaining such a claim as a Shia. Such beliefs are tribalistic and would be condemned if anything, as no race or peoples is superior or inherently owed anything by virtue of their 'race'... and we are judged by our actions. Moreover, you didn't even bother to put a surah and ayah when making such a claim! May I remind you that you are risking making a false accusation against God's book.

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On 12/8/2020 at 6:09 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

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Well apart from the Israelis naming a settlement on the Golan Heights after Trump, which they've never done for any Dem. And every tweet that Pompeo posts being followed by a series of supportive tweets by Iranian looney tunes who expect to reinstall the Shah as ruler of Iran with American help.

They don't tend to do that when it's Dem politicians posting.

Clearly both those groups see a difference.

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On 12/12/2020 at 1:07 PM, Dubilex said:

In the Quran, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) promised the jews the land of Israel. It says it clearly. And before 1948, there wasn't even a concept of "palestinian" identity. Before 1948, they were simply just known as arabs

The Qur'an refers to a covenant which it also claims the Israelites broke. And it'd be a weird promise that would then be broken for a period of 2000 years.

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On 12/6/2020 at 5:08 AM, Haji 2003 said:

If by that you mean they're essentially the same. I'd disagree. There was an international consensus e.g. about:

  • the status of Jerusalem
  • Arab recognition of Israel
  • status of settlements
  • aid to Palestinians

that Trump has unilaterally changed and he has adopted the position of the most right-wing of Israelis - which is not to compromise at all.

So no, I don't think they are two wings of the same bird.

None of these changes will revert under the Dems, so I fail to see your point. Biden and Harris are life-long Zionists and war hawks. As for the progressive girl squad, they failed to do anything about proposed Israeli annexation of Palestinian controlled areas beyond a completely useless "strongly worded letter to Pompeo", and they don't care to do anything more... they're politicians. They are very well capable of doing something meaningful, if they truly wanted to, but they just care about their livelihoods more.

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1 hour ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

None of these changes will revert under the Dems

They won't revert. But the Dems sure as heck will not push the envelope the way that Trump was doing and would have likely continued to do. Trump's aim was the maximalist Likudnik goal of taking as much as possible without giving anything in return.

They are the least worst option.

One of the tactics used by Trump's people in 2016 was to convince African Americans in various states to just not vote. That let him in. His supporters seem to be doing the same here, which is to convince people that the GOP and Dems are all the same when it comes to the M.E.

They aren't.

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On 11/23/2020 at 8:43 AM, musa shakr said:

I chose not to vote at all.

Bismehe Ta3ala 

Assalam Alikum Brother

Do you keep up with any progressive channels on YT or are there any podcasts you like to hear?

What would need to happen in order for you to cast a vote?

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN ALLAH 

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14 hours ago, Laayla said:

What would need to happen in order for you to cast a vote?

Very interesting documentary by a British television channel about how Trump's 2016 campaign team used social media to encourage Dem voters to just not vote.

Very important point - they did not try and convince these people to vote for Trump, only to not cast their vote.

https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-trump-campaign-strategy-to-deter-millions-of-black-americans-from-voting-in-2016

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Bismehe Ta3ala 

Assalam Alikum 

Brother Silas, how the American people accept that Zionists have M4A from American tax dollars and they have nothing is lunacy.  Do you think Dump will implement martial law?

Thank you brother Haji 2003 for the link.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN ALLAH 

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On 12/21/2020 at 1:52 PM, Laayla said:

Bismehe Ta3ala 

Assalam Alikum Brother

Do you keep up with any progressive channels on YT or are there any podcasts you like to hear?

What would need to happen in order for you to cast a vote?

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN ALLAH 

There needs to be a good candidate that’s not connected to oboma

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