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Assalamu aleikoum Brothers & Sisters,

i think that many people would be probably shocked of this info.

This Church (mother of the other Christian Churches, except Nestorian and partly Tewahedo) is in fact pagan bloodthirsty worship of the sun - go google photos ,,Christianity Sun worship".

The Latin Church after Constantine's accepting of Christianity many pagan traditions became part of that faith and the Roman Empire started never-ending war against the ,,pagans" and heretics, for example war against Christian Arianism faith or later crusades against the Muslims, Orthodox (Eastern) Christians, Christian Albigensians and later against the northern and eastern European Pagans.

And also how this bloodthirsty ,,Church" behaved towards my people - the Romani people (known as Gypsies, the G-word is somewhat racist), when we were called by the Catholic ,,Church" Pagans or filthy unbelievers even in Europe we were Christian as the local population but we took religion little bit differently than the local White-European population and it was what ,,Church" saw as herezy - it was a part of Witch-hunt and Inquisition.

Another example of this sick bloodthirsty ,,religion" is a way how al-Andalus (Spain and Portugal) was re-Christianised and what happened after it, yes i am speaking about the Inquisition and also about Spanish and Portuguese colonisation of Americas and Inquisition there.

Also there were pogroms on the Jews done or at least supported by this ,,Church" and the Jews often found freedom of religion in Muslim lands, same way as after fall of al-Andalus.

And i should also mention the European Wars of Religion between the Catholic Church and it´s daughters Reformed Churches, which was very bloody and inquisition was working in enormous scale. After the 30 years war between the Catholics and Lutherans in the lands which were regained by the Catholics happened bloody re-Catholisation which in the Czech Lands took life of at least 60% of population and in Hungary around 40%, re-Catholisation was orchestrated by the Church and by the Austrian state.

Christianity got under control because of French Revolution which was not only anti-Monarchist but also anti-Catholic and in general anti-Religious, this formed modern-day Europe, if this revolution was not successful Europe and Americas would be probably till now in Dark Ages and full of bloodshed of the innocents.

But wait this is not an end of the story! I have to mention that the Catholic Church also supported Nazi Germany and Independent State of Croatia (Nazi pro-German state) which both were doing genocide of the Jews, Romani people, Serbs, Poles and other people who were seen as inferior races.

I mentioned before that the Catholic (Latin) Church is a mother of other churches, i must to mention that also other churches supported witch-hunts, anti-Jewish pogroms and called the Romani people pagans which led to genocides of the Romani people.

And this is not still the end of a story because last shadows of reality of this Church and it´s daughter Churches we see in Africa where the Christianity is often still so bloodthirsty as it was in Europe before and in fact we have seen it in Europe (or Asia?) recently when the Armenian Catholics started (again) doing genocide of the Muslims in nowadays Eastern Turkey (between 1830 to 1916) and of the Azerbaijanis (since 1830´s with some pauses in all the lands of Azerbaijan and last time between 1988 to 1994 in Azerbaijani land of Karabakh) and also we have seen how Orthodox Christians many times did genocides of the Muslims in Bosnia (many times since 1790´s, last time between 1992 to 1995), Kosovo (last time in 90´s), western part of Turkey (1919-1922), Algeria (Africa- done by the Catholics - 1830 to 1962) Cyprus (1960´s to 1974) and Lebanon (Asia - done by the various Christians - 1975 to 1995).

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Great cultures created by Mayas, Aztecs and other native people – cultures much more advanced than those of the Europeans, have been crushed, tricked, cheated, and finally forced into submission. Local gods were ‘sent to a permanent exile’ and Catholicism, under the threat of death or torture or both, was forced down the throat of everyone.

 

Yes, Western colonialism often takes truly bizarre, surreal, forms. What example should I provide, to illustrate ‘magic imperialism’? For example, this one: in Cholula, near the city of Puebla, Spaniards slammed their church on top of the biggest (by volume) pyramid on Earth – Tlachihualtepetl. It is still sitting there, even now as I write this essay: the church is sitting on top of the pyramid, unapologetically. Local authorities are even proud of its presence, promoting it as a ‘major tourist site’. I hope, one day, UNESCO includes it in the “memory of humanity” list, as a symbol of cultural vandalism.

I summoned the curator at a local museum, Ms. Erica, asking her about this insanity. She explained, patiently:

We are strongly discouraged from speaking about brutality of the past. Mexico’s attitude towards its own history is truly schizophrenic. On one hand we know that our country was plundered, raped and abused, by the Spanish colonizers, by the French, and then by the U.S. But we, scholars, teachers, curators, are literally ordered to ignore it, to ‘be positive’; to ‘look for good things’ in what was done to us, and what we inherited.”

Clearly, Ms. Erica has had enough. She speaks openly, passionately:

“In the past, the church had been hit and damaged by lightning, on several occasions, and the local people believe that it happened because of the wrath of local gods, who were protesting against the desecration of their site and an architectural masterpiece – the pyramid. However, the structure was always quickly restored by the religious and state authorities. The church still dominates the landscape, visible from as far as the city of Puebla, while the grand pyramid looks humiliated and belittled, like nothing more than a forested hill.” ...

Mexico is ancient and deep, and as mentioned above, it gave birth to some enormous civilizations, which were self-sufficient and much more advanced than the cultures of those who came to attack it, to plunder and enslave it.

These civilizations, however, were robbed of their identity by the invaders, forcefully Christianized, then reduced to the level of ‘minorities’ in their own land. Natives were forced into slave labor, and used to mine their own silver and other raw materials, which were quickly shipped far away, enriching first Europe and later North America. ...

The Supreme Indigenous Council of Michoacan, Mexico, accused the Catholic Church of being complicit in the killing of over 24 million Indigenous people.

Some 30 Indigenous communities of Michoacan, Mexico, have released a statement demanding Pope Francis apologize for the genocide committed with the complicity of the Catholic Church against their people during the Spanish invasion of the Americas in the 16th century.

“For over 500 years, the original people of the Americas have been ransacked, robbed, murdered, exploited, discriminated and persecuted,” the Supreme Indigenous Council of Michoacan said in a statement. ...

I was filming at the splendid Bellas Artes, one of the most beautiful theatres on Earth. There, a Soviet-trained conductor was facing a brilliant ‘youth orchestra’, which consisted of once poor boys and girls from deprived communities. On the stage, the legendary Folkloric Ballet of Mexico was performing; with proud native themes, and with young women holding rifles, marching towards the redness of the revolution. The audience roared. People, strangers, were embracing, shaking hands. There were tears; tears of joy.

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Evidence still exists in Mexico that the “Indians” did develop advanced and sophisticated cities and civilizations. This doesn’t fit the American narrative that the “Indians” accomplished nothing. So the portrayal of the Aztecs and Maya as blood-thirsty savages that committed human sacrifice helps the Americans diminish the accomplishments of these civilizations. ... The lesson was that the Aztecs had a large empire and built large cities with pyramids but did not have a written language and were blood-thirsty monsters that committed large scale human sacrifices including children. But they were so pathetic, it only took 500 Spanish to defeat them very quickly. And the Aztecs were the “best” the “Indians” had to offer. Meaning, the Aztecs were the pinnacle of achievements by “Indian” peoples, and they were nothing to brag about. The strategy of almost totally excluding the “Indians” from history lessons further helps cement the perception that they did not accomplish anything. ...

...one reason this article brings out extreme arguments is because it indirectly dispels the myth that Europeans are inherently superior to other peoples. And some people cannot accept that world view. Especially in the USA and other parts of the Americas where negative portrayals of the “Indians” are used to justify their conquest and genocide. Ever hear Americans justify their conquest and genocide of the “Indians” by saying that the “Indians” did nothing with the land while they, the Europeans, turned it into the most powerful nation in history? Portraying as them as savages committing human sacrifice gives European Americans an air of superiority and justification for what they did. Meanwhile, when the Spanish were perpetrating the human sacrifice myth, they themselves were sacrificing Jews and Heretics to Jesus by burning them at the stake. By describing the Spanish killing of Jews in this, am I doing the same thing that the Spanish and later historians have done regarding the Aztecs’ said treatment of their war prisoners? ...

To them (the Aztecs – ed.), killing captured enemies was a way to ensure the sun kept turning in the sky, to ensure that the humans would be blessed by the fruits of the earth, that the cycle of life and agriculture would keep on. Yes, the Aztecs were warriors, but they were also farmers, and like any farmers they acknowledged the extreme interdependence on the goodwill of the Forces of Nature. That concept is very real, not bloodthirsty or barbaric. The Aztecs simply wanted the world to keep turning. Farming was their main concern. ...

1. There are no credible documents confirming that the Mexica performed human sacrifice.
a. The sources and basis for the human sacrifice myth are documents prepared by the Spanish (Cortez, Diaz, etc.) or chronicled by Spanish priests. These sources are not reliable because the documents were prepared to suit the writer’s own agenda.
i. The grand Spanish agenda in creating and propagating the human sacrifice myth was to justify the war against the Mexica to the Spanish Crown and the Pope. Remember, the conquistadors were not sent to conquer the Mexica by the Spanish Crown. Cortez’s company took that action upon themselves and later needed to justify their actions to their superiors.
ii. The Spanish were not beyond lying when chronicling their actions or justifying them. Another myth, that the Mexica believed that Cortez was a returning god was invented by the Spanish priests. The Spanish priests initially claimed that the Mexica believed that Cortez was their god of War in person but another Spaniard spoke up that this was not true. The priests kept pushing and eventually their lie that the Mexica believed that Cortez was Quetzalcoatl stuck. Quetzalcoatl is not the god of War that they initially claimed but a different God.
iii. Diaz, wrote that he witnessed the sacrifice of other Spaniards in Tenochtitlan from the bank of the lake. Many people have actually sourced him in the comments of this article. But careful study has proven that Diaz could not have seen anything from the bank of the river since that would have meant that he was some three to four miles away from the Mexica temple. There is no way he would be able to see that far and much less be able to see a heart still pumping in the Mexica priest’s hand from that distance.
iv. While the Spanish priests used Mexica to develop their chonicles in which they helped cement the human sacrifice myth, the Spanish were the final editors of this work which brings the completed works into question.
b. All pre-contact histories and records developed and maintained by the Mexica were destroyed by the Spanish priests. Then the Spanish priests went about recreating the Mexica histories and chronicling their culture. This is very suspicious. Why not keep the original materials as reference but instead try to recreate them from the native’s memory? This reeks of the Spanish rewriting or at least editing the Mexica’s history to meet the Spanish agenda. Many scholars have even pointed out that the Mexica interviewed by the Spanish priests were not reliable (i.e. either too young to be witnesses to the events described [such as human sacrifice], or were zealous followers of the Spanish priests. At any rate, the Spanish priests were the final editors of the interviews. There are no documentational proof from prior to the Spanish contact supporting the human sacrifice myth. All the sources are post-conquest and they are all influenced by the Spanish in one way or another.

a. There is a circular argument occurring in interpreting archaeological finds. Archaeologists based their assumptions on historians who based their assumptions on the Spanish and post-conquest sources. As such, these archaeologists interpret anything they find as human sacrifice without doing further analysis. These archaeologists then publish their work, which in turn further cements our common knowledge that the Mexica practiced human sacrifice. ...

Bodies buried in the temple are immediately shown as support for human sacrifice. Nine to ten children were found buried in either Templo Mayor or in the neighboring Tlatelolco site. Archaeologists provide no proof that the children were sacrificed. But they assume this relying on the baggage of their education. In the articles that I read, these archeologists only provide as proof of human sacrifice that the bodies were buried in the temple mounds and that they bodies were carefully positioned at the time of burial. These archaeologists did not explore other options, such as maybe the children were buried there for other reasons other than because they were sacrificed. As the records that may have shed light on these burials were destroyed by the Spanish, we cannot reference them. But what if the children died of natural causes and were buried there after the temple was built? Were they the children of nobles that died naturally and were buried there? Were the children holy persons and were buried in the Temple after it was built? The altar in every Catholic church contains a relic, a bone or body part of a saint (holy person). These relics can be a small finger, tooth, a knee, a shin, anything that came from the saint. The saint was not killed to have their body parts placed under alters. Why should we then assume that these children were killed to be buried under the pyramid?
iii. The above applies to any body found buried in the temple. ...

One thing lightly touched here is the Spanish chronologists’ bias. Making the Mexica (Aztecs) into terrible people justified killing so many. Estimates of over 70% Mexica dying from diseases or violence may be low.
To justify conquest, the Spanish (and others) have always painted pictures of brutish people with horrid religious practices who needed the guidance of priests--Catholic or otherwise. If you study the culture, you see that Mexica captives were often given to families, where they were educated and given rights of citizenship. This was a masterful way of “conquering” people. ...

As I’ve said in another comment, there is no clear evidence that there were human sacrifices happening. The explanation from the people who still carry on the tradition is that these glyphs are of surgery.

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The heathen, pagan part you are correct about.

But there is little to no evidence about Sun or Moon worship.

[Similarity is not enough. Example: Tetrapods share many of the same characteristics, yet a dog is not a cat or otter.]

lt, most churches, are about Satanism.

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To invade, search out, capture, vanquish and subdue all Saracens and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed, and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery. - Papal Bull Romanus Pontifex that authorized the conquest and genocide of the non-Catholic world (1455)

The culture that made the Nazi death camps possible was not only indigenous to the West but was an outcome of its fundamental (dualistic, Trinitarian – ed.) religious traditions that insist upon a dichotomous division of mankind into the elect and the reprobate. - Richard Rubenstein, The Cunning of History (1978)

Colonization is civilization. If we, the superior race, take the land of other races, we must utterly destroy the previous inhabitants (following the model of the ancient Israelites in Canaan – ed.) … The disappearance of our local Indians is of little consequence. - Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton, co-founder of British Columbia and Member of the Legislative Assembly, 1868

I believe the conditions are being deliberately created in our Indian schools to spread infectious diseases. The death rate often exceeds fifty percent. This is a national crime. - Dr. Peter Bryce to Indian Affairs Deputy Superintendent Duncan Campbell Scott, April 12, 1907, prior to his dismissal by Scott

If I were to choose to kill off half the Indian children under our care, there is no better instrument to use than your typical residential school. - Neil Parker, Indian Affairs Superintendent, 1949

The fact that European powers deliberately exterminated millions of non-Christian indigenous people in the New World is historically undeniable, constituting as it does the numerically largest genocide in world history. (7) The participation of Canadian church and state in the same crime has been and continues to be denied, especially by Canadians, despite overwhelming evidence.

Broadly speaking, it would be a strange paradox indeed for Euro-Canadians not to have conquered, de-populated, legally constrained and eradicated the Indian nations they encountered after 1497, operating as they were from precisely the same mentality and practice of “Superior Christian (bourgeois-feudal – ed.) Dominion” (8) that animated every other Vatican-authorized nation. Those who would claim a “Canadian exceptionalism” to the norm of European genocide have yet to produce any evidence to show that indigenous nations somehow fared better under Canadian rule.

On the contrary, a simple peeling back of the Great Canadian Myth of benevolence towards Indians reveals a rancid, hidden history of war crimes and mass murder on par with any criminal regime in the world. The outcome for native nations has been the same, whether in Canada, America or Brazil. ...

The economic 33 importance of eastern woodland tribes like the Huron and Iroquois to the Canadian fur trade and their usefulness as military allies ruled out a Spanish Solution of outright extermination of these Indians. But when such usefulness passed, their eradication proceeded just as thoroughly.

The very fact that the conquering Europeans had to be more circumspect and strategic in their treatment of their brown skinned targets made the role of religion all that more crucial to the success of the Canadian genocide, which can truthfully be described as a religious enterprise from start to finish. Indeed, the predominance of the churches in forming and operating colonial policy towards Indians, and in establishing and maintaining, against periodic government opposition, the murderous Indian residential school system for over a century, is unique when compared to most other nations' genocide track record.

(9) The fact that the Canadian Holocaust occurred in prolonged waves under the leadership of Roman Catholicism and Anglicanism – and their offshoots – and did so under “benevolent” guises of education and missionary proselytizing, has done much to fog and camouflage the reality of Genocide in Canada, and not accidentally. British imperialism always presented itself as a “civilizing” force wherever it exterminated local populations, a “hammer in a velvet glove” approach epitomized by General George Maitland, who in 1843 described British treatment of African tribes as “A good thrashing followed by great kindness”. (10)

Give us a child for seven years and he will be ours for life” said the 16th century Jesuit founder Ignatius Loyola – and it should be added, in the Canadian context, “at least, the few who survive.”

The full gamut of genocidal crime in Canada is outside the scope of this report. Instead, we are scrutinizing that specific Group Crime called the Indian residential school system – again, a term designed to deceive – by which all of the indigenous nations in Canada were finally brought down and decimated; and how their church, state and their corporate sponsors.

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It is also interesting to note that the rise of feudalism and the Roman Catholic Church coincided with the breakdown of the Roman Empire, the loss of scientific knowledge, and a significant decrease in the European birthrate that did not undergo reversal until the Renaissance. The start of the Renaissance, itself a byproduct of the ruinous Crusades, coincided with the expulsion of the Muslims and Jews from Spain and the so-called “Age of Exploration” by European Trinitarians (Catholics). This “Age of Exploration” destroyed non-Western societies and imposed foreign models that led to disastrous famines and population reductions relative to Europe. This trend is ongoing today with the latest version of eugenics imposed by Bill Gates and his “vaccines” for nonwhite, “heathen,” impoverished populations in the West and abroad. The Roman Catholic Church and its offshoots, especially the Anglican Church, have long played a major, covert role in financing and implementing eugenic policy. “Kill with (fake) kindness.” For example, missionaries have long served as agents of the Crown (Vatican) and have sterilised or otherwise exterminated nonwhites. The Church, as mentioned, still controls the Western-run financial system vis-à-vis the Swiss Templars and the Knights of Malta. So the Church is also behind the rise of “free love,” contraception, and sexual deviation as well as fascism, Nazism, antisemitism, and anti-Islam sentiment. After all, the Church and its offshoots worship Gaia, the Earth-goddess, using the Virgin Mary as camouflage, hence the globalists’ emphasis on “sustainability” and depopulation. Trinitarian Christians have always sought to impose one-world, centralist, syncretistic, “Aryan” (white-supremacist), “solar” paganism at the expense of rival paganisms, religions, civilisations, societies, and modes of development.

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Jesuit control of Great Britain was the real force behind Zionism and the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in Israel.

the Jesuits stirred up the pogroms and Holocaust of Europe to drive Jews to their safe haven in the Middle East.

The SS had been organized by Himmler according to the principles of the Jesuit Order.

Rudolph Kastner, "then one of Israel's most honored leaders, was a traitor who had cooperated with the Nazi leaders of Germany including Adolph Eichmann to deport Jews from Hungary."

Zionist Israel is a creation of the Jesuit Order. Its purpose is to secure Jerusalem for the Jesuits "infallible" Pope, that he may receive worldwide worship from Solomon's rebuilt Temple. If the Masonic Zionists betrayed their own Jewish race into Pius XII's concentration camps overseen by the Jesuit Order, would they not betray the nation of Israel by giving Jerusalem to the Pope in preparation for the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple?

we are living under the preeminence of a Gentile Jesuit conspiracy. It employs notorious Masonic Jews and Gentiles as their agents. This furthers the deception of an international Jewish conspiracy oppressing the nations. Using this lie, the Jesuit General in creating global, anti-Jewish fury again.

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Northwest, you have really good sources about Catholic terror, i am glad to see it here, as i always want to bring more people knowledge about what that ,,Church" had done and what is doing now.

Nowadays is for example known for paedophile cases and i would like to write it here, but it´s really a long list, so if you find time, you should help with that.

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On 11/11/2020 at 12:23 PM, HamidCZ said:

Nowadays is for example known for paedophile cases and i would like to write it here, but it´s really a long list, so if you find time, you should help with that.

Here are some excellent and comprehensive references to begin with:

Le Cercle Pinay: CIA, MI6, Mossad, the Vatican, and fascism (part one)

Opus Dei, Operation GLADIO, the strategy of tension, Satanism, and fascism (part two)

Le Cercle Pinay: further inspection (part three)

The American Security Council, the Vatican’s P2 Lodge, and Nazism (part four)

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“Antagonism to the Jews of today must not be extended to the books of Pre-Christian Judaism.”
– Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber in the Advent sermons, delivered in 1933

The Vatican’s definitive statement, “We Remember: Reflections on the Holocaust,”  claims that Nazism was the antithesis (!) of the Catholic church:

“Logically, such an attitude also led to a rejection of Christianity and a desire to see the Church destroyed or at least subjected to the interests of the Nazi state.

It was this extreme ideology which became the basis of the measures taken first to drive the Jews from their homes and then to exterminate them. The Shoah was the work of a thoroughly modern neo-pagan regime. Its anti-semitism had its roots outside of Christianity and, in pursuing its aims, it did not hesitate to oppose the Church and persecute her members also.”
[My emphasis – J.I.]

Not only does “We Remember” claim that the church fought Nazi antisemitism, but it quotes Pope John Paul II apparently absolving the Catholic hierarchy from responsibility for the belief (one of the foundations of Christianity) in Jewish culpability for the death of Jesus:

“In the Christian world – I do not say on the part of the Church as such – erroneous and unjust interpretations of the New Testament regarding the Jewish people and their alleged culpability have circulated for too long, engendering feelings of hostility towards this people.”

– Pope John Paul II, quoted in “We Remember: Reflections on the Holocaust

Reading this remarkable statement, one is compelled to ask: if Christians did not get their belief in Jewish culpability from the Christian church, pray tell where did they get it?

Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, answered this question when he was a top advisor to John Paul II:

“‘Even if the most recent, loathsome experience of the Shoah (Holocaust) was perpetrated in the name of an anti-Christian ideology, which tried to strike the Christian faith at its Abrahamic roots in the people of Israel, it cannot be denied that a certain insufficient resistance to this atrocity on the part of Christians can be explained by an inherited anti-Judaism present in the hearts of not a few Christians.’”

[My emphasis – J.I.]

– Joseph Ratzinger as quoted by (hardcore Revisionist Zionist and admirer of Meir Kahane, having attended the latter’s funderal – ed.) Abe Foxman in an Anti-Defamation League (ADL) press release welcoming Ratzinger’s election as Pope.

So Joseph Ratzinger claims that: a) Nazism was “anti-Christian”; b) Christianity erred only by “a certain insufficient resistance” (notice the modifier, “a certain,” which limits the insufficiency - i.e., it wasn’t so very insufficient!) to Nazism, not by complicity or active support; c) even this error resulted from individual Christian’s religious hostility to Judaism – “an inherited anti-Judaism present in the hearts of not a few Christians” –  which rather avoids the question: from whom did they inherit it, if not the church? ...

Although at Yad Vashem, in the year 2000, Pope John Paul II described the Nazis as having “a Godless ideology,” in 1933, when it mattered, the Vatican ordered German Catholics to love, honor, obey and protect the Nazis.
 
During the 1920s, the church-controlled Centre party (Zentrum) did clash with the Nazis. As Hitler wrote (see quote below) their quarrel was over politics, not Catholic religious teachings. The Nazis themselves claimed they were fighting against atheism, specifically Bolshevist atheism, which they depicted as a Jewish-created movement.  In attacking the Jews, the Nazis routinely employed Christian symbolism and traditional Christian antisemitic arguments, with which Europeans were already indoctrinated, making it an easy sale. ...
 
Hitler addressed the Reichstag (parliament) saying the Nazis were fighting for Christianity:
 
“While the Government is determined to carry through the political and moral purging of our public life, it is creating and insuring prerequisites for a truly religious life. The Government sees in both [Catholic and Protestant] Christian confessions the most important factors for the maintenance of our folkdom. It will respect agreements concluded between them and the States. However, it expects that its work will meet with a similar appreciation. The Government will treat all other denominations with equal objective justice. It can never condone, though, that belonging to a certain denomination or to a certain race might be regarded as a license to commit or tolerate crimes. The Government will devote its care to the sincere living together of Church and State.” ...
 
...the Vatican and the Nazi government signed their Concordat, putting the official Vatican stamp on the alliance of the German church and the Nazi state. Article 16, reproduced below, required that Catholic bishops swear to honor the Nazi government, to make their subordinates honor it, and to hunt for and prevent action that might endanger it.
 
“‘Before God and on the Holy Gospels I swear and promise as becomes a bishop, loyalty to the German Reich and to the [regional - EC] State of . . . I swear and promise to honor the legally constituted Government and to cause the clergy of my diocese to honor it. In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare and the interests of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it.’” ...
 
As Samantha Criscione explains in a work in progress, (see footnote 2), here are the differences:

First, the Vatican translation omits the crucial statement that the bishop’s post has been assigned to him.

Second, the Vatican takes the statement, of which the accurate translation is, “I will...strive to prevent any harm that could threaten it,” meaning that the Vatican is ordering bishops to seek out (“strive”) and repress (“prevent”) action that could harm the Nazis, and translates it “I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it, which would mean the Vatican was only ordering bishops to avoid engaging in anti-Nazi acts, themselves. A demand for pro-actively defending Nazism is softened, in the Vatican translation, to a demand for passively avoiding doing the Nazis harm. A world of difference. ...

The fact that German Catholic-Nazi relations were not always smooth sailing does not mitigate the horrific truth that:

* By voting to give Hitler dictatorial powers, the Catholic Centre party (Zentrum) made it possible for Hitler to set up his dictatorship with a phony appearance of legality;

* By then dissolving Zentrum, the German Church eliminated the powerful party, through which many Catholics had opposed Nazism and through which they were trying to continue opposing Nazism up until the moment Zentrum was dissolved;

* By rescinding the ban on Catholics joining the Nazi Party, the Church made Nazism the only church-approved vehicle for political action;

* By drafting and signing the Concordat, the Vatican literally (i.e., in the form of specific rules, laid out in the Concordat, such as Article 16) ordered German Catholics to support the Nazis, telling millions of Catholics not only in Germany but worldwide that the Pope was allied with Fascism, meaning that they must ally with it as well;

* By giving Hitler their vote-winning support for his Enabling Act, dissolving Zentrum, rescinding the ban on Nazi membership, and drafting/and signing the Concordat, the Vatican wrapped Hitler in a cloak of Vatican acceptance at a crucial moment, when the infant racist state was suffering extreme international isolation. ...

With German Christians divided on Nazism, the Vatican intervened, committing every one of its thousands of German clerics to honor the Nazi dictatorship and hunt for actions that might harm it.

...read as the pro-Nazi faction within the Catholic church giving Hitler a weapon to help him suppress German anti-Nazi sentimentincluding, indeed especially, inside the German Catholic church, whose party (Zentrum) had once opposed Nazism - the Concordat was a great success.

For the Vatican and the Nazis, job #1 was to crush anti-Nazism, i.e., to crush the ideas that had annoyed the Vatican for a hundred and fifty years, and this document, which ordered German clerics to serve as adjuncts to the Nazi political police was a vital weapon in Hitler’s hands.

Forced conversion of Serbs to Catholicism

The Nazi-like Croatian Ustashi state, set up immediately after the Nazi German invasion of Yugoslavia, was based on fanatical Catholicism. Orthodox Christian Serbs who refused to convert were butchered in their villages, or at the Jasenovac death camp, or thrown into mountain crevaces. Hitler referred to the Ustashi as “Our Nazis.”

Slavko Kvaternik explained [in a radio program on April 10, 1941, the day the ‘Independent State of Croatia’ was formed] how a pure Croatia should be built - by forcing one third of the Serbs to leave Croatia, one third to convert to Catholicism, and one third to be exterminated. Soon Ustasha bands initiated a bloody orgy of mass murder of Serbs unfortunate enough not to have converted or left Croatia on time.

“The enormity of such criminal behavior shocked even the conscience of German commanders, but Pavelic had Hitler’s personal support for such actions which resulted in the loss of the lives of hundreds of thousands of Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. In addition, the Ustasa regime organized extermination camps, the most notorious one at Jasenovac where Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and other opponents were massacred in large numbers.”

[Quote from “Encyclopedia of the Nations” ends here]

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Ratline: the Vatican, the Nazis, and the American military-industrial complex

Bosnia: the Knights of Malta, Iran-Contra network, and NATO’s dissolution of Yugoslavia

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I neither agree nor disagree with the following sentiment(s), but it amply shows just how the Vatican and its offshoots have destroyed our world:

Personally, I found that most of the respondents seemed rather indifferent to the perspective of the contributor @Gabenowa.

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