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indeed!!!  the zionists they now really well the are wrong.. but still they chose to follow their satanic belief, same goes with salafism,wahabism, and many more people..... they arent just

That's just how it is sometimes... Don't take it to heart though... 

LOTS of people are stressing and panicking that the antichrist is closer to us than we tought! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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8 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

I wouldn't mind everybody getting forgiven, all I care about is that I'm in higher ranks than everybody else in the ranks of God :D

InshaAllah you reach this station brother.
 

But should we think this way brother? I remember a story by Maulana Ali Raza Rizvi,  where a sinner was praying to God 24/7 under the heat of the sun for forgiveness. A bird used to bring him food. The sinner asked Moses, has Allah forgiven me. Allah told Moses to tell him no, because he did not care to even ask the bird if it had eaten, and that he was going to go to hell. He was then allowed one wish. His wish was to make only himself fit in hell and no one else. So God said now he has forgiven him :). Now he is thinking about all of God’s creation, before he wasn’t even thinking about 1 creation of Allah. 

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i am extreme happy to see how well everything goes on this topic/forum.. i really enjoy reading all youre discussion..  keep it up!!!

may allah bless you all endlessly..

@Allah Seeker @Zainuu @313_Waiter and all others..

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Just now, F.M said:

i am extreme happy to see how well everything goes on this topic/forum.. i really like to see all youre discussion.. 

may allah bless you all

@Allah Seeker @Zainuu @313_Waiter and all others..

May God bless you! I feel more than happy to have you create such blessed platforms that make us feel so comfortable here to talk about these topics. 

I pray for you, and will add the two brothers in sha Allah in next fajr

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4 minutes ago, F.M said:

i am extreme happy to see how well everything goes on this topic/forum.. i really enjoy reading all youre discussion..  keep it up!!!

may allah bless you all endlessly..

@Allah Seeker @Zainuu @313_Waiter and all others..

6 pages for Dajjal :D

Just kidding. 

May Allah bless you too. 

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10 minutes ago, F.M said:

there has been a hadith saying that the hell got only created for the enemies of ahlalbayt..

Yes it is true

even in Sunni books (not exactly this):

Sahih Muslim 240:

Zirr reported: 'Ali observed: By Him Who split up the seed and created something living, the Apostle (may peace and blessings be upon him) gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me.

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4 minutes ago, 313_Waiter said:

InshaAllah you reach this station brother.
 

But should we think this way brother? I remember a story by Maulana Ali Raza Rizvi,  where a sinner was praying to God 24/7 under the heat of the sun for forgiveness. A bird used to bring him food. The sinner asked Moses, has Allah forgiven me. Allah told Moses to tell him no, because he did not care to even ask the bird if it had eaten, and that he was going to go to hell. He was then allowed one wish. His wish was to make only himself fit in hell and no one else. So God said now he has forgiven him :). Now he is thinking about all of God’s creation, before he wasn’t even thinking about 1 creation of Allah. 

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yes you are right, we must think of others first.

But for me there is no contradiction,  because in paradise all desires are fulfilled,  and my station- IF I MAKE IT - will never be satisfactory unless all those I love, and love me, are with me. Most probably I'll be like "where is @313_Waiter, @F.M and @Zainuu:D

So whatever rank I get,  all creatures I love will hopefully be with me, Including all the birds and the bees, dogs,  cats, sun and moon. 

Beautiful story though .. thanks 

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33 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

May God bless you! I feel more than happy to have you create such blessed platforms that make us feel so comfortable here to talk about these topics. 

I pray for you, and will add the two brothers in sha Allah in next fajr

thank you soo much, may allah accept all youre prayers and bless youre household and youre progeny inshallah

30 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

6 pages for Dajjal :D

Just kidding. 

May Allah bless you too. 

HAHAHAHA:hahaha:

27 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

yes you are right, we must think of others first.

But for me there is no contradiction,  because in paradise all desires are fulfilled,  and my station- IF I MAKE IT - will never be satisfactory unless all those I love, and love me, are with me. Most probably I'll be like "where is @313_Waiter, @F.M and @Zainuu:D

So whatever rank I get,  all creatures I love will hopefully be with me, Including all the birds and the bees, dogs,  cats, sun and moon. 

Beautiful story though .. thanks 

inshallah, may allah unite all of us near the ahlalbayt and will taste endlesly blessing from allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and enjoy the endlessly proudness of our lord almighty towards us because of the (inshallaah) passing of our exam "this dunya".

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i am a servant at all youre service

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3 minutes ago, F.M said:

thank you soo much, may allah accept all youre prayers and bless youre household and youre progeny inshallah

HAHAHAHA:hahaha:

inshallah, may allah unite all of us near the ahlalbayt and will taste endlesly blessing from allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and enjoy the endlessly proudness of our lord almighty towards us because of the (inshallaah) passing of our exam "this dunya".

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i am a servant at all youre service

I am feeling speechless at the beauty of your words and those of the brothers here as well MASHA ALLAH!!!! ALLAHU AKBAR

I take this as a most favorable sign from God and keep you all in my heart forever as my soul mates in God , insha Allah. I consider it that we already succeeded in our mission and are already living in a constant state of thankfulness and love to the God of the worlds, in peace eternally.  I can taste it a bit now. 

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5 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

I dont consider takfiris as uluma. I see them as lost souls who will go to hell.

Can you please name one shia alim who could say with certainty that reincarnation isn't kufr? 

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But I'd be interested to hear their evidence nonetheless. 

Have you looked up any ahadith on the subject?

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Fact is we will all be raised in new bodies to be judged , and thay is a reincarnation. Rajaa is at least one extra one. If you got proof that people were turned into pigs Disney abracadabra style let me know. I'd be interested to see.

When having these discussions we need to be clear about the definitions of the words that we are using. Words have certain specific meanings in some contexts and using them with other meanings can lead to fallacies. When religious scholars talk about reincarnation they are talking about the specific beliefs of some religious groups. E.g. you will find Christian scholars that will reject reincarnation but also believe in bodily resurrection.

We cannot believe that Islam accepts reincarnation because there is no Islamic evidence at all that humans die and their souls end up in other foetuses. There are ahadith which call this type of belief kufr (although I can anticipate how you may counter that). Also the things that you used as evidence do not fall under the definition of reincarnation. E.g. raj'a is a return to the same body.

It is generally understood that the individuals who were transformed into other creatures had their bodies transformed. Some opine that there was no physical transformation but it is meant by the Quran that their soul was debased. The onus is on you to prove that the soul was taken from one body and placed into another body. You are presenting a view that brings a novel idea that is further away from the obvious meaning, thus you must prove it and not me.

And even if the souls did move to new animal bodies, it's it very far from the belief in reincarnation that Muslim scholars condemn.

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Disney abracadabra

Why speak like this? It seems impolite. Especially when you know Allah can do anything.

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6 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

  

Can you please name one shia alim who could say with certainty that reincarnation isn't kufr? 

Have you looked up any ahadith on the subject?

When having these discussions we need to be clear about the definitions of the words that we are using. Words have certain specific meanings in some contexts and using them with other meanings can lead to fallacies. When religious scholars talk about reincarnation they are talking about the specific beliefs of some religious groups. E.g. you will find Christian scholars that will reject reincarnation but also believe in bodily resurrection.

We cannot believe that Islam accepts reincarnation because there is no Islamic evidence at all that humans die and their souls end up in other foetuses. There are ahadith which call this type of belief kufr (although I can anticipate how you may counter that). Also the things that you used as evidence do not fall under the definition of reincarnation. E.g. raj'a is a return to the same body.

It is generally understood that the individuals who were transformed into other creatures had their bodies transformed. Some opine that there was no physical transformation but it is meant by the Quran that their soul was debased. The onus is on you to prove that the soul was taken from one body and placed into another body. You are presenting a view that brings a novel idea that is further away from the obvious meaning, thus you must prove it and not me.

And even if the souls did move to new animal bodies, it's it very far from the belief in reincarnation that Muslim scholars condemn.

Why speak like this? It seems impolite. Especially when you know Allah can do anything.

I have already proved that in islam we get reincarnated into new bodies in judgment day, and that is a fact that many hate to admit

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Reincarnation is the philosophical or religious belief that the non-physical essence of a living being starts a new life in a different physical form or body after biological death. It is also called rebirth or transmigration.

You can believe whatever you want, and me too. Most shia alims are going to hell, so I don't really care about what most of them say. If you have evidence from quran and hadiths, then bring them. 

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13 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

Most shia alims are going to hell

For those who may not understand the basis for this opinion, it is based on a known narration discussed above,  that 12 out 13 of shia groupings of the Islamic nation will go to hell, which logically includes their intellectual leaders, or 'alims'.

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For anybody who wants to discuss the topic of "reincarnation",  can do so on other specialised threads as well. They need to address to facts:

  1. The definition of reincarnation being the transfer of the soul from one body to another
  2. The islamic fact that according to the noble quran (I dont think I need to even bring references) that all our souls will transfer to new bodies after we die or get martyed.

 

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On 10/23/2020 at 2:02 AM, F.M said:

We all know that the jews will be the ones who will follow the antichrist because they are the ones who did not belief that the Messiah was born yet.

In your opinion, what are the means available to him to dominate/subdue US? After all, if i'm not mistaken, he's ruling the world from Jerusalem.

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2 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

In your opinion, what are the means available to him to dominate/subdue US? After all, if i'm not mistaken, he's ruling the world from Jerusalem.

we really don't know.. 

maybe trough sociolmedia, we all know how strong media is, it affects quite a lot of people....

from sunni sources is written that he will travel lots part of the world, but again those sunni narations are really weak..

one thing we all can be sure is hat lots people will follow him, while they know its the fake one!! because such people aren't going to stand behind allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) (and after ahlalbayt,prophets etc).. soo what will they do then? indeed they will join satan (trough dajjal).

also one really important thing which shouldn't be forgotten, the dajjal isnt able to create any miracles as bringing the dead back to life, etc.. he will be a normal human being created by possibly zionism/illuminati/devil worshippers.. to mislead lots of people .. obviously they will create the game really smartly whereby they are going to let the dajjal look like jesus who just raised up from his grave (incarnated), so logically they will put him under make-up and make him look unkempt (frizzy hair that has not been combed), wounds that represent what he suffered before he was killed and a damaged eye from being injured (popular saying)..

some narations even say that he can be also look really handsome and lots women will follow him but we don't know if that hadith is authentic.. but out of a logical way its really possible, because dajjal will not be a kind of beast that it will be released and is going to destroy everything, in fact he is going to be very attractive (and intelligently set up!!)

and about the word kaffir on his forehead.. we have also no idea what it will turn out.. maybe it means metaophoricly,maybe there is infact a sign on his forehead..(tattoo,mark etc..)

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Salam huys I'm gonna chime in with another subject that may be tied to this one. I've recently watched the documentary Phenomenon (about aliens) and saw those "monoliths" in the desert on the news, and I'm starting to think that alien psyop is going to play a big role in shaping this new "eco-religion" that the elite is trying to impose on us. I mean look at the recent article of that Israeli ex-head of space program claiming that they already had contact with them and the reason they dont want to reveal themselves is because we are not ready in their eyes. In the documentary aswell the last scene they try to persuade us that "aliens" really communicated with children and told them that "we don't care about our world and environment". Anyways I thought it might be interesting to consider this angle they're most probably using.

WaSalam 

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Salam brothers and sisters,

what Are your thoughts on the biblical perspective of antichrist?

Like revelations 13:

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The Beast out of the Sea

13 The dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[b]

9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.

10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
    into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
    with the sword they will be killed.”[d]

This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.

The Beast out of the Earth

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e]That number is 666.

I have heard the 10 heads of the beast are 10 kings and 7 horns means 7 nations. I have also heard that the 666 Mark of the Best is the Certificate Of Vaccination ID or some other sort of microchip that we all will be forced to receive and we cannot buy or sell without this. So the Dajjal will have full control over every citizen of the world.

Revelations 14:

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The Three Angels

6 Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7 He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”

8 A second angel followed and said, “‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,’[a] which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.”

9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

Who are these three angels? The third one warns us not to take the mark of the beast.

 

@Allah Seeker @F.M

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On 12/17/2020 at 12:35 PM, 313_Waiter said:

Salam brothers and sisters,

what Are your thoughts on the biblical perspective of antichrist?

Like revelations 13:

I have heard the 10 heads of the beast are 10 kings and 7 horns means 7 nations. I have also heard that the 666 Mark of the Best is the Certificate Of Vaccination ID or some other sort of microchip that we all will be forced to receive and we cannot buy or sell without this. So the Dajjal will have full control over every citizen of the world.

Revelations 14:

Who are these three angels? The third one warns us not to take the mark of the beast.

 

@Allah Seeker @F.M

i have Christian friends who actually say the same.. they also say that there will come a time when humans will be forced to take a vaccine/chip/injection kind of thing.. also they say for everyone who still takes them will be seen as disbelievers s something like that..

about the angles sounds really interesting.. but i have no idea what it can be mean

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On 12/4/2020 at 12:08 PM, 313_Waiter said:

By antum I mean myself first brother, was just quoting the verse :) 

 

Ibn arabi (Sufi) and Ibn Taymiyyah (salafi) are said to hold the view that everyone will eventually be forgiven. I don’t mind this view either. We know God’s love is infinitely more than our mothers love. We know when our mom slaps us she wants us to improve, and that her slap serves a teaching and nurturing lesson for us. 

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2 hours ago, Lion of Shia said:

really, source

Go to page 170 and 239 Book is paradise & hell in Islamic traditions. For Ibn arabi and mulla sadra the people in hell basically acclimatise to hell. For Ibn Taymiyyah there is no eternal hell.

 

nonetheless, we have very explicit traditions:

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فَالْجَنَّةُ غَايَةُ السَّابِقِينَ، وَالنَّارُ غَايَةُ الْمُفَرِّطِينَ
Paradise is the end of those who are forward (in good acts) and Hell is the end of those who commit excesses.
Sermon 157

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-157-praise-be-allah-who-made-praise-key

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Be afraid of the fire - the Hell, whose depth is fathomless whose intensity is enormous and where new kinds of punishments are constantly being introduced. The Hell is an abode where there is no place for His Mercy and Blessings. Prayers of those who are thrown there will neither be heard nor accepted and there will not be any lessening in their sufferings and sorrows.

Letter 27 

http://www.qul.org.au/library/nahj-ul-balagha/letters/884-when-imam-ali-a-appointed-muhammad-bin-abu-bakr-as-the-governor-of-egypt-he-gave-him-the-following-instructions-

 

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On 11/17/2020 at 2:02 AM, F.M said:

also are there some specifiek hadith telling who exactly the dajjal will be? some say he would be 1 eyed, curly hair et..

Brother salam, hope this will be helpful: 

Dajjal has one appearance before zuhoor al-Imam and a second appearance after zuhoor al-Imam (عليه السلام).

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