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Do non-muslims keep accumulating sin?

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For example, we have to recite the “seegha” before marriage but non-muslims don’t recite it. Christians eat pork and drink alcohol (even in church), and so on and so forth. They don’t think they’re accumulating sin.

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Salam , it mentioned in old testament that they must not drink Alcohol & eat pork but under Pauline distortion of original Christianity they do these sin but still a very small minority between them are following original orders of not drinking of Alcohol & not eating pork but they don't exceed from few individual or small families.

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5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam , it mentioned in old testament that they must not drink Alcohol & eat pork but under Pauline distortion of original Christianity they do these sin but still a very small minority between them are following original orders of not drinking of Alcohol & not eating pork but they don't exceed from few individual or small families.

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Do you know why Christians, in general, have such visceral hatred for the Jewish mitzvot, which are quite similar to Islamic rulings, e.g., on diet? Many Christians regurgitate a lot of hatred toward the Talmud, Torah, and shariat. What I don’t understand is why this hatred is so visceral as to result in Crusades and so forth. Sure, the Trinitarian Christians blamed “the Jews” for supposedly killing Jesus, but a lot of other religions had their sages and prophets killed, yet did not condemn, much less seek to destroy, an entire people for the actions of some of its members. Prior to the rise of Christianity as a state religion, a lot of pagans, especially ethicists and philosophers, practiced many of the same basic values as orthodox Jews and Muslims, while even those that didn’t were relatively tolerant and pluralistic, so long as religion did not threaten the ruling ideology and structure of Hellenistic society, including the Roman Imperial state. Once the Trinitarian Christians took over they basically destroyed all learning and culture and killed anyone they disagreed with, and continue to do so through ongoing and never-ending Western wars of aggression against the entire world, yet for some reason the Qur’ān seems to praise Christians more than Jews, saying that at least some of their monks and priests are not arrogant (Surah 5:82). The “priests and monks” were presumably Trinitarian Christians, since the earliest Christians were monotheistic followers of Jesus who did not have priests or monks. The Christians I have personally encountered in the West have all been extremely arrogant, so why does this ayat praise them instead of the Jews, since historically Jews and Muslims, at least religious ones, got along better with each other than they did with Christians?

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16 hours ago, Northwest said:

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Do you know why Christians, in general, have such visceral hatred for the Jewish mitzvot, which are quite similar to Islamic rulings, e.g., on diet? Many Christians regurgitate a lot of hatred toward the Talmud, Torah, and shariat. What I don’t understand is why this hatred is so visceral as to result in Crusades and so forth. Sure, the Trinitarian Christians blamed “the Jews” for supposedly killing Jesus, but a lot of other religions had their sages and prophets killed, yet did not condemn, much less seek to destroy, an entire people for the actions of some of its members. Prior to the rise of Christianity as a state religion, a lot of pagans, especially ethicists and philosophers, practiced many of the same basic values as orthodox Jews and Muslims, while even those that didn’t were relatively tolerant and pluralistic, so long as religion did not threaten the ruling ideology and structure of Hellenistic society, including the Roman Imperial state. Once the Trinitarian Christians took over they basically destroyed all learning and culture and killed anyone they disagreed with, and continue to do so through ongoing and never-ending Western wars of aggression against the entire world, yet for some reason the Qur’ān seems to praise Christians more than Jews, saying that at least some of their monks and priests are not arrogant (Surah 5:82). The “priests and monks” were presumably Trinitarian Christians, since the earliest Christians were monotheistic followers of Jesus who did not have priests or monks. The Christians I have personally encountered in the West have all been extremely arrogant, so why does this ayat praise them instead of the Jews, since historically Jews and Muslims, at least religious ones, got along better with each other than they did with Christians?

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19 hours ago, Northwest said:

 ayat praise them instead of the Jews, since historically Jews and Muslims, at least religious ones, got along better with each other than they did with Christians?

hi because holy Quran says that " because they are not arrogant" "because they are not proud "  http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.pickthall/5:82 which Jews are religious but majority of them are enemies real believers to Allah/God that it said about them that: " Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. " but although  christians criticized  for believing  to trinity but they will accept  truth but Jews will never accept truth because of their pride as they think that they are chosen people so they think that they have higher position than real believers same as Satan that his worship made him proud & arrogant  so he didn't  prostrate  to prophet  Adam (عليه السلام) when Allah/God ordered it.

 

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On 10/18/2020 at 8:44 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam , it mentioned in old testament that they must not drink Alcohol & eat pork but under Pauline distortion of original Christianity they do these sin but still a very small minority between them are following original orders of not drinking of Alcohol & not eating pork but they don't exceed from few individual or small families.

Walaykum Salam so they will get sin for things mentioned in their own bibles?

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On 10/18/2020 at 1:49 AM, 313_Waiter said:

For example, we have to recite the “seegha” before marriage but non-muslims don’t recite it. Christians eat pork and drink alcohol (even in church), and so on and so forth. They don’t think they’re accumulating sin.

[ALLAH’S Quran – 99:7-8 - Munshey] “Then, whoever did (even) an atom´s worth of good, shall see it, And whoever commits an atom´s worth of evil, shall see it.” -> No one only does harm in this world. Everyone will get a reward for any good they have done. 

 

Though as for Judgement, That only belongs to Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

He also narrates from Imām Muhammad Ibn `Alī al-Bāqir (عليه السلام) that he said, “There was a believer who lived in the land of an oppressive king. That oppressor threatened the believer, and thus, the believer fled to a non-Islāmic land, arriving at the place of a polytheist man. The polytheist sat him beside himself and hosted him well. As soon as the polytheist man died, God addressed him, ‘I swear by My Honour and Glory that if there were a place in Heaven for a polytheist, I would put you in that place; but O’ fire, make him fear, but don’t harm him.’”

the Prophet Muhammad (S) said with regard to several people who lived in the Age of Ignorance: “I saw in Hell the possessor of the tunic and the possessor of the cane who would drive the pilgrims, and also the woman who had a cat which she had tied up and which she would neither feed nor set free so it could find its own food. And I entered Heaven and I saw there the man who saved a dog from thirst and gave it water."

Some sins are universal No-No's like Murder, Adultery, Gambling, Theft, Dishonoring family, Coveting. Basically the 10 commandments. Even Hinduism says things like these about the aforementioned issues:

"13 Play not with dice: no, cultivate thy corn-land. Enjoy the gain, and deem that wealth sufficient. There are thy cattle there thy wife, O gambler. So this good Savitar himself hath told me." - Rigveda Mandala 10, Sukta 34.

"A man should not think incontinently of another's wife, much less address her to that end; for such a man will be reborn in a future life as a creeping insect. He who commits adultery is punished both here and hereafter; for his days in this world are cut short, and when dead he falls into hell." - Vishnu Purana 3.11
 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, 313_Waiter said:

Walaykum Salam so they will get sin for things mentioned in their own bibles?

Salam according to their teachings it's a sin but in other hand they believe it's an abandoned rule also they say that Jesus will forgive these sins anyway I don't judge them because Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) allowed to a convert from Christianity to Islam for remsining his parents until they didn't drink Alcohol & eat pork that because of his good behavior after converting his mother accepted Islam too.

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Just now, Ashvazdanghe said:

remsining his parents

correction remaining with his parents.

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