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Why are there hardly any religious billionaires?

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I had read this out here previously,

 

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said: ما جمع أحد مالا إلا من شح أو حرام / Not a single huge collection of money, is either from stinginess or through haraam.

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usually truly religious people aren't avaricious.

As someone who worships Allah, why keep billions and billions that you don't use and that you won't ever use when you could instead give it to starving humans.

in fact, billionaires CAN'T use all that money even if they wanted to because they already have every luxury they're interested in, yet avarice prevails in their hearts. Something that will never prevail in the heart of a religious person.

On top of what notme posted, you get what's described in this article:

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‘The British have been there for 200 years – for every dollar that the British have put into Gambia, they have taken out 10. It's just plain exploitation of those people.’

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African countries receives £162 billion in resources including aid, loans and foreign investment. Yet it loses £203 billion through activities such as illicit financial outflows (to you and me: tax dodging), transnational corporations taking out their profits (on which they have often paid little tax), and the costs imposed by climate change (which Africa didn’t cause). All in all, an annual deficit of US $41.3 billion.

https://newint.org/blog/2017/05/24/how-the-world-keeps-looting-africa

So even IF by some miracle, a mega-wealthy guy becomes religious and wants to give away all that money and change lives for the sake of Allah, he/she probably would be heavily demoralized and dissuaded with all this thieving cuz it'll feel like all that money will be wasted/stolen in the end.

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1 hour ago, Labbayka said:

I’ve noticed that most billionaires aren’t really religious is there any reason for this? Maybe the mroe rich you become the more Machiavellian and thus you have to lose religious morals?

There are a few wealthy Zionist billionaires who are religious. But yeh I don't think there are any Muslim ones. 

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33 minutes ago, Hassu93 said:

There are a few wealthy Zionist billionaires who are religious. But yeh I don't think there are any Muslim ones. 

Names, please? I'm actually skeptical and would like to research. I don't think a person who believes in and practices Judaism could exploit workers to the necessary degree. 

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because often you should sacriface youre own life to satan to gain huge materalistical success... and thats why most religious people aren't bilionaires..

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2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

I had read this out here previously,

 

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said: ما جمع أحد مالا إلا من شح أو حرام / Not a single huge collection of money, is either from stinginess or through haraam.

I completely agree 

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8 hours ago, notme said:

Names, please? I'm actually skeptical and would like to research. I don't think a person who believes in and practices Judaism could exploit workers to the necessary degree. 

Roman Abrhamovic. 

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11 hours ago, Hassu93 said:

There are a few wealthy Zionist billionaires who are religious. But yeh I don't think there are any Muslim ones. 

Edoardo Agnelli (9 June 1954 – 15 November 2000) was the eldest child and only son of Marella Agnelli (born Donna Marella Caracciolo di Castagneto) and Gianni Agnelli, the industrialist patriarch of Fiat.[1] He converted to Islam when he was living in New York City,[2] and changed his name to "Mahdi".[2][3] In mid-November 2000, he was found dead under mysterious circumstances under a bridge on the outskirts of Turin.

220px-Ayatollah_Khamenei_jome_prayer_%28cropped%29.jpg  Edoardo Agnelli in Jumu'ah prayer in Tehran.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edoardo_Agnelli

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From the beginning of his youth he had no desire to manage his father's wealth according to his father's methods and he was only in charge of the Juventus football club for a few years before they replaced him with his cousin. 

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Edoardo had an interview with the "munifest"(a newspaper belonging to the leftist party of Italy and opposed to his father's political inclinations) and greatly protested against his family's choice. In the interview he said that right after his cousin's funeral, his nephew Jacob Alkan had been chosen as the successor and that he believed that his appointment as the head of Fiat would bring a downfall to the company.

https://www.erfan.ir/english/5977.html

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In the 90's Edoardo had no responsibilities in any part of his family's organizations and spent most of his time reading, travelling, working as a journalist and being involved in humanitarian activities. His father had threatened that if he did not forget his Islamic beliefs Edoardo would inherit nothing after his father's death, but he was prepared to forget his "million-dollar" inheritance rather than forget Islam. His family was continually putting him under severe pressure to desert Islam, but they never succeeded

https://www.erfan.ir/english/5977.html

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16 hours ago, Labbayka said:

I’ve noticed that most billionaires aren’t really religious is there any reason for this? Maybe the mroe rich you become the more Machiavellian and thus you have to lose religious morals?

Isn’t khameini a billionaire?

He has over £200 billion

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   “Edoardo Agnelli”

Gianni was regarded by many as ‘the true king of Italy’. He forged strong relations with the Italian Communist party. Despite being an arch capitalist, he formed close friendship with international politicians such as Henry Kissinger and bankers such as David Rockefeller of the Chase Manhattan Bank. Gianni became the richest man in Italy. He married a princess, Marella Caracciolo de Castagneto in 1953.  Soon after their marriage, Edoardo Agnelli was born in New York on the 9th of June 1954.  Edoardo was named after his grandfather, who tragically died in a plane crash.

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Edoardo Agnelli was Gianni’s only son…

Gianni had formed relationships with International bankers and politicians largely through his membership at the Bilderberg Group, which he regularly attended since 1958. He formed particular relationships with Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger and David Rockefellers. 

Edoardo was the sole heir of the legendary wealth of Italy’s royal family.

However Edoardo had little interest in material possessions, he devoted most of his time in the study of philosophical and spiritual themes. Edoardo spent the 90s without any special particular position. He spent his time reading, writing, traveling and engaging in humanitarian activities. He was a man who always moved against the flow of river. His father Gianni continually challenged Edoardo to make decisions about his future, but Edoardo always evaded him.

Edoardo had come face to face with different kinds of political and religious figures all over the world. However his meeting with Ayatollah Khomeini essentially changed his life forever. Edoardo was captivated by Ayatollah Khomeini’s simple yet glorious spiritual lifestyle. According to Mohammed Hassan Ghadiri Abyaneh, (Iran’s ambassador in Mexico) “Edoardo Agnelli declared faith to Fakhroddein Hejazi and became a Shia Muslim. 

He was deeply impressed by the Islamic Revolution of Iran. During his visit to Imam Khomeini, Imam kissed Edoardo’s forehead.

Mr. Igorman, a journalist of the La Stampa newspaper, owned by the Fiat conglomerate. He said that Edoardo spoke a lot about meeting Ayatollah Khomeini and how he was influenced. Mr.Igorman was the only person who wrote an article on Edoardo’s decision to become a Muslim.”

Aytollah Rafsanjani, mentions in his book “Crossing the crisis” page no 45 that, “Mr. Fakhreddin Hejazi and the son of the Fiat Magnate, Edoardo who had converted to Islam met Imam Khomeini and discussed the needs of Islamic students living abroad.”

 Gianni by law was not free to pick an heir. So when Edoardo would inherit the company, sometimes in the future. They feared that Fiat would be controlled by an outspoken critic of capitalism. His family thought that it was dangerous for him to inherit all this wealth after his conversion. What would Edoardo have done with this enormous wealth and influence that is beyond our wildest dreams? Maybe he would have spent it to help the oppressed, uplift the impoverished, oppose imperialism…

They claimed that Edoardo had become insane and forced him into a private mental hospital, as Edoardo later stated, “There were only Jewish and Zionist doctors. He was extremely worried. He said, “Jews will finally kill me one day, they are doing everything in their power to turn me away from Islam, but I shall never do that.” He even fled the hospital once. Many people believe that Edoardo’s sister marrying a Jewish journalist was not accidental. It seems that the family link with the Zionist was solid and strong.

Marco Bava, a financial analyst and a friend of Edoardo says in an interview, “I met him in 1987- 88 at a meeting of Agnelli family which discussed the company’s control. I took the elements that Edoardo did not know that the control of the company was changing. The Agnelli family was forming the company, and Edoardo was excluded from succession.” 

 Gianni Agnelli died in 2003, if Edoardo had not been killed; he would have inherited the wealth in a post 9/11 world. One can only imagine what would happen if he used the money to counter the influence of global power structure, create official consortiums for challenging the 9/11 official story, and oppose the wars and controversies around the globe.

The tragic story of Edoardo was published in Italy in a book entitled “Eighty meters of mystery” authored by Giuseppe Puppo a journalist, who with the help of interviews and unpublished testimonies conducts an investigation, rigorous and objective grouped to clarify the many doubts that characterize this case. 

https://rahyafteha.ir/en/3801/biography-edoardo-agnelli/

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Salam, 

I'm sure there are many religious millionaires, but it's pretty hard becoming a billionaire. In 2019, there were only 2, 825 billionaires in the world, and am sure there are a few religious billionaires. If you look at the profiles of billionaires, many of them are in industries such as fashion, technology, retail, and investments. Islamic has strict rulings on fashion, foods etc, and it would be hard for an individual to become extremely wealthy by adhering to these guidelines. 

Becoming wealthy is a blessing, and a great test from Allah. You see that many wealthy people's love for materialistic things such as cars, houses, vacations, and luxury goods increase, but their love for mankind decreases. You do have many wealthy people who actually donate to charity, but wealth does effect ones faith to an extend. 

They may be wealthy is this world, but are they wealthy in the akhura?

My favourite Imam Ali quote is this " money is a strange companion, it only benefits you once it leaves you. 

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15 hours ago, Hassu93 said:

There are a few wealthy Zionist billionaires who are religious.

Shylock?

15 hours ago, Hassu93 said:

But yeh I don't think there are any Muslim ones. 

What about the throngs of princes and shieks of UAE and other arab kingdoms? Might be someone religious among them? How do we define religious?

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1 hour ago, Guest Molana Laddan said:

The right sort of rich people are there as well.

I don't doubt that good rich people exist; I only doubt that good billionaires exist. A person can not accumulate that much wealth without knowingly exploiting others. Probably a lot of millionaires are pretty awful too. From what I've seen, most rich people aren't hateful, they're just ignorant. They genuinely think most poor people deserve to be poor, and their wealth is a reward for their own actions. 

A good rich person would realize that just as poverty is a test, wealth is a test. 

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On 10/12/2020 at 7:15 PM, Labbayka said:

Maybe the mroe rich you become the more Machiavellian and thus you have to lose religious morals?

It's much more likely to be the other way around. Power doesn't corrupt that much, but the corrupt seek power.

One of the best examples of a religious billionaire was John Templeton. His foundation has done a huge amount of good for theism. It's this kind of work that the Muslims are neglecting, or unable to do. https://www.templeton.org/

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On 10/12/2020 at 2:15 PM, Labbayka said:

I’ve noticed that most billionaires aren’t really religious is there any reason for this? Maybe the mroe rich you become the more Machiavellian and thus you have to lose religious morals?

It is very likely that there are a couple of billionaires who are not merely “religious” but hidden AWLIYAH.  If you were to look at them they may appear like they are not religious WHATSOEVER.  Perhaps it is because they NEVER would utter word about religion, perhaps it is because they dress in a Versace suit and wear sunglasses and ride in a rolls Royce with a gold plated Rolex watch.  But what is between them and God is a SECRET.  

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There are many religious Shia multimillionaires. We dont hear about them because Shia all around the world enjoy being under the radar.

On 10/12/2020 at 6:42 PM, Guest Guest said:

I had read this out here previously,

 

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said: ما جمع أحد مالا إلا من شح أو حرام / Not a single huge collection of money, is either from stinginess or through haraam.

That is not true. Many scholars have been asked about this. Either they said Imam Ali was speaking about a specific issue at that time or its just not true. It contradicts many Hadiths or even the Quran that Allah decides to send wealth to someone or not.

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6 hours ago, BowTie said:

That is not true.

Salam this is true but Imam Ali (عليه السلام) hadith is about the type of wealth that is gathering without paying , It's Khums & Zakat so poor people have no share in it even as charity from that wealth so by gathering this type of wealth without spending a share of it for poor people in community then this great amount of money will be Haram but Imams don't have problem with gaining a great amount of money through Halal & legal transaction if we pay Khums & Zakat of it for caring of poor people in community.

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4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam this is true but Imam Ali (عليه السلام) hadith is about the type of wealth that is gathering without paying , It's Khums & Zakat so poor people have no share in it even as charity from that wealth so by gathering this type of wealth without spending a share of it for poor people in community then this great amount of money will be Haram but Imams don't have problem with gaining a great amount of money through Halal & legal transaction if we pay Khums & Zakat of it for caring of poor people in community.

No this “hadith” says anyone who is rich is from haram money or he is cheap

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On 10/13/2020 at 4:24 AM, YoungSkiekh313 said:

They may be wealthy is this world, but are they wealthy in the akhura?

This is a very loaded statement. 

Brothers and Sisters, we need to stop thinking that rich = bad. Being rich is a byproduct of inherited wealth and hard work. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being wealthy: it’s what you do with the money that’s important.

There’s nothing wrong with living a good quality of life. It’s also unfair to assume that rich people are more likely to be going to hell because of their riches and that God is somehow giving them riches now because they are bad. 

In the world today, we need money to make a living, and a lot of it to have a nice house, live in a good area, raise children and go on vacation and/or start a business. It really depends what quality of life you want. Are you okay with a mediocre salary and keep pumping-out kids you can’t afford, living in a crap area where crime and general unpleasantness is often prevalent? 

This idea that money is bad or mainly given to the evil people takes away all agency from becoming successful. Take a look at the advice that Sheikhs say today that isn’t grounded in reality: get married even if you can’t live a good quality of life. That it is okay to struggle and just get by. But it really isn’t. This type of harmful advice keeps many Muslims from becoming successful and wealthy and is very distorted thinking.

We need to push our youth to become successful in this world and in the hereafter. Being rich in this world, through achievement, is very rewarding and it’ll make life a lot easier to manage. There’s nothing Islamic about being or staying chronically poor—sometimes it’s from a lack  of money management and spending habits and raking debt, having kids you can’t afford, not having the drive to become successful and poor planning—these are all bad characteristics in a person that keeps them from reaching their potential. Very few moments are people left in dire poverty because of things that simply happened to them outside of their control. 
 

We can all sit here and speculate why people are rich or why others are poor, but let me tell you this: it doesn’t matter what you think on why they do or don’t have wealth. What matters is what they are doing with it. And then it’s really none of anyone’s business what people decide to do with it unless it’s harming others. 

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3 hours ago, Guest HelloWorld said:

This is a very loaded statement. 

Brothers and Sisters, we need to stop thinking that rich = bad. Being rich is a byproduct of inherited wealth and hard work.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being wealthy: it’s what you do with the money that’s important.

There’s nothing wrong with living a good quality of life. It’s also unfair to assume that rich people are more likely to be going to hell because of their riches and that God is somehow giving them riches now because they are bad. 

In the world today, we need money to make a living, and a lot of it to have a nice house, live in a good area, raise children and go on vacation and/or start a business. It really depends what quality of life you want. Are you okay with a mediocre salary and keep pumping-out kids you can’t afford, living in a crap area where crime and general unpleasantness is often prevalent?

The thing is, many of these “needs” are manufactured, that is, desires. We have built a metaphysical prison for ourselves. Money has no intrinsic value, certainly not absolute value, most (all?) value being relative, yet we assign it value. According to numerous religious traditions, including Islamic, the primordial human couple and their offspring lived for thousands of years, yet our modern healthcare system can only salvage seventy to one hundred years. At one point in time humans were given much greater spiritual insight and other abilities that we would deem “paranormal” or “supernatural,” yet these people lived in a far more “primitive” state than we did today. The difference is that their degree of religious morality and spiritual perception was inversely proportional to their material affluence. In those early days the Creator had already provided everything humans needed; the world was good as it was. Yet we manufacture(d) desires and appeal(ed) to our nafs in order to maintain and feed the Ponzi scheme and metaphysical prison, this usurious, capitalistic, pyramidal, cannibalistic, vampiric beast, we have built for ourselves—one that is made manifest in our physical condition as well as that of the creation, a degraded or “fallen” state, disguised as an “improvement” by our propagandistic institutions, whose very existence serves to cover up and destroy our true history, the real history of our planet and universe.

3 hours ago, Guest HelloWorld said:

This idea that money is bad or mainly given to the evil people takes away all agency from becoming successful. Take a look at the advice that Sheikhs say today that isn’t grounded in reality: get married even if you can’t live a good quality of life. That it is okay to struggle and just get by. But it really isn’t. This type of harmful advice keeps many Muslims from becoming successful and wealthy and is very distorted thinking.

One should probably ask so-called “primitive” people whether their quality of life “improved” after the arrival of the “civilised” white man.

3 hours ago, Guest HelloWorld said:

We need to push our youth to become successful in this world and in the hereafter. Being rich in this world, through achievement, is very rewarding and it’ll make life a lot easier to manage. There’s nothing Islamic about being or staying chronically poor—sometimes it’s from a lack  of money management and spending habits and raking debt, having kids you can’t afford, not having the drive to become successful and poor planning—these are all bad characteristics in a person that keeps them from reaching their potential. Very few moments are people left in dire poverty because of things that simply happened to them outside of their control.

With all due respect, your set of values is relative and reflects a Westernised, eugenicist, materialistic viewpoint—thoroughly bourgeois.

3 hours ago, Guest HelloWorld said:

We can all sit here and speculate why people are rich or why others are poor, but let me tell you this: it doesn’t matter what you think on why they do or don’t have wealth. What matters is what they are doing with it. And then it’s really none of anyone’s business what people decide to do with it unless it’s harming others.

“Everything is connected,” visibly and invisibly.

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3 hours ago, Northwest said:

With all due respect, your set of values is relative and reflects a Westernised, eugenicist, materialistic viewpoint—thoroughly bourgeois.

So you’re saying that people in the East don’t value success and living comfortably? What a load of Baloney. With a capital “B”—look at the UAE, look at Japan—there are plenty of countries that value hard work and achievement. But if you want to live like a deadbeat and then call anyone else who wants better as materialistic, then it’s your prerogative. You can be a deadbeat. But don’t encourage other people to be deadbeats. 

People who stay poor often are because of their own bad choices. We aren’t taking about the few developing countries with no running water and that live in huts—we are talking about the majority of countries that are modernized. There is no excuse to be a loser and to display immature financial decisions. 

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8 hours ago, Guest HelloWorld said:

This is a very loaded statement. 

Brothers and Sisters, we need to stop thinking that rich = bad. Being rich is a byproduct of inherited wealth and hard work. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being wealthy: it’s what you do with the money that’s important.

There’s nothing wrong with living a good quality of life. It’s also unfair to assume that rich people are more likely to be going to hell because of their riches and that God is somehow giving them riches now because they are bad. 

In the world today, we need money to make a living, and a lot of it to have a nice house, live in a good area, raise children and go on vacation and/or start a business. It really depends what quality of life you want. Are you okay with a mediocre salary and keep pumping-out kids you can’t afford, living in a crap area where crime and general unpleasantness is often prevalent? 

This idea that money is bad or mainly given to the evil people takes away all agency from becoming successful. Take a look at the advice that Sheikhs say today that isn’t grounded in reality: get married even if you can’t live a good quality of life. That it is okay to struggle and just get by. But it really isn’t. This type of harmful advice keeps many Muslims from becoming successful and wealthy and is very distorted thinking.

We need to push our youth to become successful in this world and in the hereafter. Being rich in this world, through achievement, is very rewarding and it’ll make life a lot easier to manage. There’s nothing Islamic about being or staying chronically poor—sometimes it’s from a lack  of money management and spending habits and raking debt, having kids you can’t afford, not having the drive to become successful and poor planning—these are all bad characteristics in a person that keeps them from reaching their potential. Very few moments are people left in dire poverty because of things that simply happened to them outside of their control. 
 

We can all sit here and speculate why people are rich or why others are poor, but let me tell you this: it doesn’t matter what you think on why they do or don’t have wealth. What matters is what they are doing with it. And then it’s really none of anyone’s business what people decide to do with it unless it’s harming others. 

Money itself isn't bad, it's what people do with it that's bad. The most difficult test you can have in this dunya is having power over people. When you have money, you have power also, and especially so if you are a billionaire. If you believed in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and the akhira, you would never ask to be a billionaire. For sure, you would never do the things that most billionaires had to do to get those billions. If you believed that there was a day of judgement, you would never do those things. I could give some examples, but probably most people already know this. 

If someone believes in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell, and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) told them (as He(s.w.a) does in the Quran, I am paraphrasing) that I am going to test you in this life, if you pass the test I will give you Paradise, if you fail the test, you will be in Hell. Which test do you want ? An easy test, medium test, hard test, or the hardest test. Most people would say, I want the easy test, so I have a better chance of passing. Noone would say 'I want the hardest test' unless they are extremely stupid, or they don't believe in the test at all, i.e. they believe that everything about the test, passing, Paradise, Hell is all not true. Then they would wish for the hardest test just to show off. So I don't believe that money is what made billionaires corrupt, I believe they were already corrupt and the billions just added to their corruption. 

There was a famous hadith where Angel Gabriel came to Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) and told him 'If you command me, I will turn this mountain into gold, and all the gold will be yours to spend however you wish'. So Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) asked Angel Gabriel, 'And what will happen after that', i.e. after he had spent the gold the way he wished. Angel Gabriel said 'then after that death'. Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) said 'I don't want it, take it away. If I am hungry I will ask for food. 

This hadith shows you that if it was somehow meritorious, as far as the religion goes, for being extremely wealthy, then Rasoulallah(p.b.u.h) would have asked for the gold. The fact that he didn't shows that there is no merit in it, so people shouldn't seek it in the first place. 

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5 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:
13 hours ago, Guest HelloWorld said:

 

Money itself isn't bad, it's what people do with it that's bad. The most difficult test you can have in this dunya is having power over people. When you have money, you have power also, and especially so if you are a billionaire. If you believed in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and the akhira, you would never ask to be a billionaire.

That’s exactly what I said that money isn’t inherently bad—it’s what people do with it. The people who do bad things without having money like getting drugs and clubbing, would act even more corrupt. It’s the people, not the money, that are the problem.

The discussion isn’t even about billionaires at this point. It’s the idea of “Muslims shouldn’t ask to be rich”. Why not? There’s nothing wrong with being wealthy and choosing to spend that wealth on a good house, and on your children, vacations and other things. 

The reality is that you need to be “rich” in order to live comfortably, especially in certain States. Most combined incomes should be anywhere between 80,000-130,000 minimum in order to get a medium sized suburban home in a decent area for 600,000. Cost of living is higher, so we need money to survive. It’s either that, or poverty. Bad areas means more crime, ghetto losers, and your kids hanging around no-good people. You got some people on this forum that are salty that I’m just stating the truth—you need someone money to have a good life. Anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves and like being deadbeats. They are likely miserable and get angry when they see someone who lives better than them (as a result of better choices such as career choices, going to college, not being a lowlife, etc.) 

Besides, being rich doesn’t mean the same as it did before with the sky-rocketing costs of living. 

Back in the Prophet’s time, there weren’t too many rich people then and technological advancement like we know today: just 60 years ago, people could survive comfortably on 1 income, working in a minimum wage job, and raise 3-4 children. 

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When Coors established the Heritage Foundation, he chose Roger Pearson as co-editor of the foundation’s publication Policy Review. In 1961, Pearson founded Mankind Quarterly along with Robert Gayre, Henry Garrett, Corrado Gini, Luigi Gedda, Otmar von Verschuer and Reginald Ruggles Gates. .... Pearson was also elected to head University Professors for Academic Order (UPAO), composed of members of the Heritage Foundation, the Reagan Administration and the Mont Pèlerin Society, including Milton Friedman and Friedrich von Hayek.[47] Between 1973 and 1999, the Pioneer Fund spent $1.2 million on Pearson’s activities, most of which was used for the Institute for the Study of Man, which Pearson directed and which acquired Mankind Quarterly in 1979.[48]

Mankind Quarterly was published by the Advancement of Ethnology and Eugenics (IAAEE) .... Several founders of the IAAEE were intimately associated with H. Keith Thompson of the National Renaissance Party (NRP). IAAEE co-founder, eugenicist and segregationist Dr. Charles Callan Tansill of Georgetown University, ... Mankind Quarterly’s avowed purpose was to counter the “Communist” and “egalitarian” influences that were allegedly causing anthropology to neglect the reality of racial differences.[39] “The crimes of the Nazis,” wrote Gayre, “did not, however, justify the enthronement of a doctrine of a-racialism as fact, nor of egalitarianism as ethnically and ethically demonstrable.”[40] Nazi eugenicist Von Verschuer was on the editorial advisory board of the journal before his death in 1970.[41]

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On 10/12/2020 at 11:45 PM, Labbayka said:

I’ve noticed that most billionaires aren’t really religious is there any reason for this? Maybe the mroe rich you become the more Machiavellian and thus you have to lose religious morals?

As a muslim, it cannot happen because again you need to do a lot of bad deeds to earn so much. You need to lie, cheat, play different types of games and do some dirty politics etc.

Hindus can be rich because if you search you will find the richest religious monuments in the world that contain the heaviest wealth and resources are actually all of Hindus. Moreover, Hindu belief supports tactical and clever games called as 'chanakya Niti' or 'Koot Niti' in order to gain your objectives if your aim is right. 

Further, real Christians or Jews are not that rich. Only those who have evil political motives become billionaires

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Being a billionaire isn't inherently evil, nor is the path to being a billionaire a necessarily corrupt one. I don't hold on to the view that being a billionaire, or even being wealthy in general, is inherently against Islam. The origin for this view seems to stem from Sufi asceticism more than anything else.

It is true, however, that I've yet to see a billionaire who apparently holds his religion to be important, whether Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or whatever religion he was born it. Even someone like Warren Buffet, who leads a much simpler life compared to other billionares, is reportedly agnostic according to wikipedia.

There are plenty of religious wealthy people though. Dave Ramsey is a devout Christian who has accumulated wealth through sound, logical investments. He regularly pays 10% of all his wealth as a tithe to his church in accordance to biblical teachings; whatever he earns, he always skims 10% off, and operates on 90% of his income.

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51 minutes ago, Sabrejet said:

Being a billionaire isn't inherently evil, nor is the path to being a billionaire a necessarily corrupt one. I don't hold on to the view that being a billionaire, or even being wealthy in general, is inherently against Islam. The origin for this view seems to stem from Sufi asceticism more than anything else.

Uhh, pretty much every Biblical and Islamic tyrant was wealthy and of the ruling sector in society. Plenty of ahadith put the poor ahead of the rich in Jannah.

The whole story of the Shias is one of the downtrodden and oppressed against the high and mighty—by definition the affluent and connected.

Pharaoh. Muawiya. Yazid. The Caesars. The Vatican hierarchs. The Bush-Clinton dynasties. Different figureheads, yet the same theme runs throughout history.

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It is true, however, that I've yet to see a billionaire who apparently holds his religion to be important, whether Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or whatever religion he was born it. ... There are plenty of religious wealthy people though.

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The fact that Mr. Ramsey is well connected to the Zionist-run US Establishment/MSM should tell you something about his integrity and background. One does not get on the New York Times’ list of bestsellers—five times (!), no less—without some very dodgy and sleazy connections. That doesn’t even begin to mention all his ties to FOX Business, Oprah, and so on. If someone’s being promoted by the Western Establishment, in any way, shape, or form, then that pretty much says everything about him and his associates. All he does is standard fare to make the billionaire parasites look better than they really are. Cue Bill and Melinda Gates and all the multinational corporate “foundations” that are no more than fronts for Western imperialist exploitation. “Charity” that, at best, does not alleviate the large-scale structural inequities of society and, at worst, serves as cover for ulterior motives, which pretty much comprise the billionaire’s self-interested modus operandi: profit.

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Bibi Khadija (s.a) was quite wealthy as well. She was one of the most virtuous and pious women who ever lived. Also, David ((عليه السلام)) and Solomon ((عليه السلام)) were bestowed with enumerable wealth by Allah, no? The Holy Prophet was once asked by Gabriel whether he wanted to be a Prophet King (like David ((عليه السلام)) and Solomon ((عليه السلام))), or Prophet Slave. He chose to be a slave. It doesn't contradict the fact the he had the choice to be a king.

In contrast to traditions of apparent extolling of the poor and condemning the rich, you'll find that prophets of God saught refuge from poverty. You'll also find several saying of Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) in Nahjul Balagha where he warned about the dangers of poverty when faced by those who didn't have "yaqeen". Lets face it, almost none of us has the status of yaqeen, though we have faith.

Btw about Dave Ramsey, whatever his apparent connections, he gives some of the most sound and common sense advice on personal finance that can be followed by anyone, whatever their religious affliction. Also, he frequently says that giving wealth, giving alms and charity, and being generous in general, is something that actually increases wealth in the long run. It removes bitterness and make one more humble and likeable, and it shows on his countenance and bearing. He'll inevitably start attracting more wealth. I see no problem with this thinking.

 

Edit: here's another view on Poverty through the lens of Islam. It's an enlightening read.

I often pray that Allah grants me more rizq, because it breaks my heart when someone poor or destitute approaches me, and I can't help him in any significant way because of lack of resources. The Prophet and his Ahlul Bayt were famously generous, and never turned away someone who approached them.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Sabrejet said:

Bibi Khadija (s.a) was quite wealthy as well. She was one of the most virtuous and pious women who ever lived. Also, David ((عليه السلام)) and Solomon ((عليه السلام)) were bestowed with enumerable wealth by Allah, no? The Holy Prophet was once asked by Gabriel whether he wanted to be a Prophet King (like David ((عليه السلام)) and Solomon ((عليه السلام))), or Prophet Slave. He chose to be a slave. It doesn't contradict the fact the he had the choice to be a king.

In contrast to traditions of apparent extolling of the poor and condemning the rich, you'll find that prophets of God saught refuge from poverty. You'll also find several saying of Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) in Nahjul Balagha where he warned about the dangers of poverty when faced by those who didn't have "yaqeen". Lets face it, almost none of us has the status of yaqeen, though we have faith.

Btw about Dave Ramsey, whatever his apparent connections, he gives some of the most sound and common sense advice on personal finance that can be followed by anyone, whatever their religious affliction. Also, he frequently says that giving wealth, giving alms and charity, and being generous in general, is something that actually increases wealth in the long run. It removes bitterness and make one more humble and likeable, and it shows on his countenance and bearing. He'll inevitably start attracting more wealth. I see no problem with this thinking.

 

 

The economy works different nowdays. If you want to do anything significant, business or technology wise, you need many millions or billions in operating capital. That capital is under the control of a few large banks, funds, and individual investors. All those top players are all connected to each other. So what we have now is an oligarchy who collectively control the world thru controlling the flow of capital (money). For example, Lady Khadijah((عليه السلام)) made her money thru trading in good (household goods, spices, etc). Lets say today you wanted to set up such a business. Who would be your main competitor, Walmart, Tesco, etc. So people will go in your shop, see that you are selling basically the same goods as Walmart (Tesco for those in the UK, they are the same company, btw) but your prices are higher. The reason why your prices are higher is because Walmart buys in huge volume, millions of units at a time so they can squeeze their suppliers to give them lower prices than everyone else. So they can sell at a lower price and still make a profit. You, as a small business person, don't have the ability to do that. So if I can buy a bowl for $1.00 at your shop or the same bowl at .50 cents at Walmart, where would I go, as a consumer. Obviously Walmart. There you go

These types of global conglomerates who are selling all over the world simultaneously and can take advantage of these huge economies of scale didn't exist at the time of Lady Khadija. These Global conglomerates are only possible because of the global oligarchy (i.e. the ones who control access to the giant pool of money) which gives them access to almost unlimited capital while the small business person doesn't have access to this. If you are in a country, like Iran, which is under global sanctions, it is even worse because even the sub standard channels of capital investment which are available to small business people in other places are not available to you. 

I am not saying you cannot be a sucessful business person and still be a muslim. There are certain types of businesses, like restaurants, internet cafes, corner shops, , small grocery stores, gas(petrol) stations, etc  which are still viable businesses, even with a small amount of capital. But these types of businesses don't generate billions of dollars in profit, so your chances of becoming a billionaire opening these types of businesses is basically zero. 

 

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1 hour ago, Northwest said:

Plenty of ahadith put the poor ahead of the rich in Jannah.

The whole story of the Shias is one of the downtrodden and oppressed against the high and mighty—by definition the affluent and connected.

Pharaoh. Muawiya. Yazid. The Caesars. The Vatican hierarchs. The Bush-Clinton dynasties. Different figureheads, yet the same theme runs throughout history.

No, that's not true actually. I can't say about other religions but in the history of Shiism their were extremely rich people who were highly devout too. And Islamic traditions don't denounce being wealthy if it is through righteous means. 

For example, Mir Damad or Mir Mohammad Baqer Esterabadi, was a really famous religious and intellectual personality among Shias. He was the teacher of the famous Islamic Philosopher Mulla Sadra (who went 7 times for hajj bare-footed and died near Basrah during his last Holy journey which can only be done by someone firm in faith).

 He was the son in law of Shah Abbas (the famous Safavid King). 

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