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People say that this low state is nothing new under the sun, but it never happened on a global scale like this. The entire world is corrupting, it's not just one country or continent. And I have no reason to think it will get any better, so I do believe we're near the end of times.

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18 hours ago, F.M said:

people are losing day by day their hope in the return of our promisedsaviour... 

^^ That is a foretold sign of reappearance.

18 hours ago, F.M said:

where are the ones who claim to follow the foodsteps of hussain?

The Imams (عليه السلام) have forbidden khurooj (uprising) without them in this time of ghaybah i.e. wait until he reappears. "There will be uprisings, but do not join one" "Be like the newborn camel so none can milk you nor ride you" (take advantage of you for their agendas). We rise only he reappears.

18 hours ago, F.M said:

BTW Does anyone has good news about our promised saviour? did someone got good news about him? trough a dream, vission or even a small unnoticed miracle made by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) or whatsoever? 

Everything is a miracle. Every turn of events fulfills a foretold sign. For those waiting these are all miracles and good news.

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On 10/6/2020 at 2:34 PM, F.M said:

this world needs justice and its getting crazier day by day!!

Yes! It is good to speak about injustice, but only if you can do that safely.

While we wait for Imam Zaman AS, may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) hasten his return, try to help your family, relatives, friends, neighbors and local community. Be kind to people and give them the benefit of the doubt.

Be the best that you can be, and stay positive in your outlook. Having negative thoughts only brings you down and if all of us get down then the negativity will spread. 

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On 10/7/2020 at 3:54 PM, The Green Knight said:

^^ That is a foretold sign of reappearance.

The Imams (عليه السلام) have forbidden khurooj (uprising) without them in this time of ghaybah i.e. wait until he reappears. "There will be uprisings, but do not join one" "Be like the newborn camel so none can milk you nor ride you" (take advantage of you for their agendas). We rise only he reappears.

Everything is a miracle. Every turn of events fulfills a foretold sign. For those waiting these are all miracles and good news.

selam, 

i did not meant to create a shia organisation or whatsoever. I really meant that we shia have  a huge task to please our imam and maybe if allah alllows it , that maybe we can hasten his reapereance... we shias can meanwhile show the world who the ahlalbayt are and ofcource our holy imam zaman!!  we can do more our best to please ahlalbayt and spreading their message..... like i still have met lots of people who Stillll doesnt know who ahlalbayt are and before that what the meaning is of living on this world...

i really agree with you that we cant do anything as long he did not return!! BUT we actually can show the world who the ahlalbayt are and the promisedsaviour ( al-Mahdi aj) and maybe preparing ourselves and the world? 

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yes you are right, thats why we should prepare for his reapereance and focussing more on that instead of talking and chatting about addictions as masturbation, mutah, zina  and much more unnecessary posts on a shia-islamic chat..

i mean whats wrong about bringing the topic about imam al mahdi (aj) back to live and motivating everyone to prepare for his pleasant return.... 

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On 10/7/2020 at 3:35 PM, guest 2025 said:

People say that this low state is nothing new under the sun, but it never happened on a global scale like this. The entire world is corrupting, it's not just one country or continent. And I have no reason to think it will get any better, so I do believe we're near the end of times.

i think the best is to ignore such people.. we should never lose hope in our promised saviour!! and we al should pray for his return, coz the world never changed that much into a satanical cult where abnormal things are seen as normal.. and legalisations of stuff which were always been illegal..

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52 minutes ago, notme said:

Everyone, at all times, should live as if we are in the End Times. Even if the Day of Judgement isn't in your lifetime, you never know when will be Your end time. Live so that when you are gone, people will miss you and pray for your soul.

yes you are right, thats why we should prepare for his reapereance and focussing more on that instead of talking and chatting about addictions as masturbation, mutah, zina  and much more unnecessary posts on a shia-islamic chat..

i mean whats wrong about bringing the topic about imam al mahdi (aj) back to live and motivating everyone to prepare for his pleasant return.... 

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24 minutes ago, F.M said:

whats wrong about bringing the topic about imam al mahdi (aj) back to live and motivating everyone to prepare for his pleasant return.... 

Start the topic! Make it interesting and engaging, but not so information dense that the reader is overwhelmed. Discussion forums are driven by the users. 

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On 10/8/2020 at 11:41 AM, notme said:

Start the topic! Make it interesting and engaging, but not so information dense that the reader is overwhelmed. Discussion forums are driven by the users. 

I will !! but i am a new user soo i am going to figure out.. how shiachat works.. but most definetally i will start soon with the help of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)

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“Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

Isn't it all about perspective?

If the end / last day / return of the waited one / day of judgment was tomorrow how would it make things different?

Everyone has always said that everything is getting worse - we have no way of knowing when the ultimate worse will be.

Or do we?

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6 hours ago, Dave follower of The Way said:

Everyone has always said that everything is getting worse - we have no way of knowing when the ultimate worse will be.

Or do we?

 trough the modern technology and nuclear science.. starting a war would be much crucial then before and can cause mass killings all at once

and yes technology and science are still growing but that doesnt mean that if we would start these times a world war 3 that it can be compared to the world wars before.. cause we have now nuclear science and its 1000x more harsh than a normal war 

if the world will start these times a war (with our nuclear improved science) then we all can be sure it will be the last war ever... coz lots have been already died

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On 10/8/2020 at 11:23 AM, notme said:

Everyone, at all times, should live as if we are in the End Times. Even if the Day of Judgement isn't in your lifetime, you never know when will be Your end time. Live so that when you are gone, people will miss you and pray for your soul.

Supplement: lf you think the End comes tomorrow and your intention is to plant a tree . . . plant the tree. (from Mosque)

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9 hours ago, Dave follower of The Way said:

“Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

Isn't it all about perspective?

If the end / last day / return of the waited one / day of judgment was tomorrow how would it make things different?

Everyone has always said that everything is getting worse - we have no way of knowing when the ultimate worse will be.

Or do we?

l do not believe you will find many admirers of Gandhi around here. And that "supernatural powers" title is offensive and shirk.

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9 hours ago, Dave follower of The Way said:

Everyone has always said that everything is getting worse - we have no way of knowing when the ultimate worse will be.

The world as a whole is better than it has ever been. Our lives are hundreds of times better than the lives of our ancestors. But it isn't good yet, and that is the problem. We always have to work toward good, we always have to grow and improve. 

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1 hour ago, notme said:

The world as a whole is better than it has ever been.

I think this is very subjective. Seyyed Hossein Nasr has given many talks on the spiritual decline of modern man:

I think this is the most recent:

https://youtu.be/NxghHqfxPms

 

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7 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

on the spiritual decline of modern man:

This phrase l disagree with. Such a phrase is more a " TV ratings" comment; how popular going to the mosque is. Before people had TVs -and somewhat before this had cars on a large scale- people went to church because there was nothing else to do. The same applies to synagogue or church. 

Ayats 27:4; 7:186; 10:11

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9 hours ago, notme said:

The world as a whole is better than it has ever been. Our lives are hundreds of times better than the lives of our ancestors. But it isn't good yet, and that is the problem. We always have to work toward good, we always have to grow and improve

how do you mean we live a much better world than has ever been?

if only a world war 3 starts then everyone is finished!! because of the nuclear science we developed..

science and technology has improved  but people are as bad as before ( i think they even changed into greedy persons) also the world is getting ruked by the most childish dumb people and they easily can provoke a serious world damage with their dangerous toys they play with....

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Salam,

Last year 20 millions walked during Arbaeen to say Labbayk Ya Hussain! So we increasing the call Ya Hussain so we be ready to be with our Imam Mahdi by following the footsteps of Hussain (عليه السلام) to bring justice.

This year, with the spread of Covid19, the whole world is taken by surprise.  People are suffering and the call for help from God is there by most people in the world regardless of religion.  We need His (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) Help.  His help will only come through al Mahdi.

If the Covid 19 is clear, we will all walk again...this time for 50 millions.  Then, we can really feel the return is near, we hope and we pray, inshaAllah.

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Whether we are or aren't is not so relevant. Our guidelines are the one's left by the prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). We must act accordingly and we will be judged accordingly. 

Whether the end is tomorrow or in 1000 years should not impact our faith nor our dedication. 

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On 10/10/2020 at 5:48 AM, Mahdavist said:

Whether we are or aren't is not so relevant. Our guidelines are the one's left by the prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). We must act accordingly and we will be judged accordingly. 

Whether the end is tomorrow or in 1000 years should not impact our faith nor our dedication. 

its actually really relevant to search those things.. maybe not for the previous generations but for our generations and our progeny its really important to search about it and to prepare for his pleasent return.

Q:why? A: because we are put on huge preasure that it cant be compared to the generations begore us.. the governemnts are these days  busy legalising abnormal things that can have impact on our future... the generation before us arent that scared cause they know soon they will be gone.... but we are the ones who will live on this world and its already messed up!!!

so yes we (the youth) are extremally eagerly waiting and hoping for his return because he is the only one who can save our future and our children from the hands f this corrupt satanial world!

imagine the world got legalised in  rape, pedhopillia, human-trafficking or LGBT!!! en much more disguisting stuff!!! the previous generations messed up already everything for us and yes most of them dont care about his holy return.BUT we DO!! because we don't want to live in such world with so much hate and disguisting things.

instead you all support us and be busy preparing for his return, you all are focused on topics like: mutah,zina, sexual-adictions etc.... :mod:

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4 hours ago, F.M said:

how do you mean we live a much better world than has ever been?

if only a world war 3 starts then everyone is finished!! because of the nuclear science we developed..

science and technology has improved  but people are as bad as before ( i think they even changed into greedy persons) also the world is getting ruked by the most childish dumb people and they easily can provoke a serious world damage with their dangerous toys they play with....

Even in ancient times we had stupid, greedy, and power-drunk leaders. Look at some of the emperors of Rome. Look at Muawiya and Yazid, may they be forever tormented. And I see no reason to believe people are less caring, less compassionate, or less religious now. We just know more and are aware of more distant evil than in the days before immediate worldwide communication. Sure, in poverty stricken and war infested parts of the world life is horrific, but that is not different from how it always has been. The world is better now than it has been in recorded history.

But we know more and understand more, so there is more obligation on us to correct the wrongs. We aren't doing enough and maybe we never will. That is why it is so bad - because we know and do not take action. 

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On 10/8/2020 at 9:19 PM, F.M said:

selam, 

i did not meant to create a shia organisation or whatsoever. I really meant that we shia have  a huge task to please our imam and maybe if allah alllows it , that maybe we can hasten his reapereance... we shias can meanwhile show the world who the ahlalbayt are and ofcource our holy imam zaman!!  we can do more our best to please ahlalbayt and spreading their message..... like i still have met lots of people who Stillll doesnt know who ahlalbayt are and before that what the meaning is of living on this world...

i really agree with you that we cant do anything as long he did not return!! BUT we actually can show the world who the ahlalbayt are and the promisedsaviour ( al-Mahdi aj) and maybe preparing ourselves and the world? 

I thing it's missconception that shias can't do anything.

It's not only Shias but any one who tries get change the system will achieve it. Because it is how sunnah of Allah works .

We Shia need first understand what is Islam ie Allah , Quran and Ahlebayt as.

May be we too have not owned or followed Quran and Ahlebayt as.

How much is our contribution in correcting the derranged system.

I feel our all problems lies is not implementing Quran and life of Ahlebayt as.

May openion problem is not in world but in us. Change our slef, inshallah we succeed if we try.

I think we can achieve a lot and this will be our help to IMAM Mehdi as for his reappearance.

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Just like brother @Hadi5 said I also believe that we can do a lot. We can seek guidance from the same God who guides the Mahdi. Mahdi means somebody who is guided by al Hadi. I believe islam is a proactive religion, so our dear honorable brother @F.M who took the important step of starting this thread mentioned him not making a shia organisation. In my opinion I would say "why not?". It is in the nature of Gods blessed creations to organize things in order to achieve success. The only thing is that it would have to be an organisation that has never been done before. It needs to be creatively done in a brand new way while holding on to the most basic principles of Islam. All organisations of the past have failed so far.

@The Green Knight mentioned a well-known hadith that mentions that we should not "emerge" before the emergence of the Mahdi. But I always wonder about the Yamani and Khurasani, Shuwayb bin Salah, al Masri, Nafs el Zakeya, etc etc who are all kind of emerging prior to the zuhur. Also the whole story of the 313 meeting all of a sudden at the same time, smells of prior coordination and planning. It is hard to imagine that hundreds of people from all races, cultures and geographic locations will meet at a meeting point without prior communication and work. The key word here is work and better yet - effort. The Arabic word for effort is majhud- which is basically jihad. Otherwise it would be unfair. (The effort of the 313 - or even their helpers - must be better than any other effort done in history to have the privilege of an unprecedented victory by the Grace of God). At the same time we have hadiths pointing at the detrimental effects of not following the standard of al Yamani for instance, prior to the zuhur of the Mahdi. Therefore that hadith can be interpreted in an open way, or find suitable explanations.

What @Hameedeh said, definitely the internal things are more important than the external. So taking care of our health, our spouses, parents, kids, the poor we may come across is number one priority.

@notmehad a very good point when she said that we should try to make it more interesting and find ways to excite more discussions and above all - thinking - into this topic.

Anyway, the issue of end times and its solution will have a happy ending in sha Allah. This topic is much bigger than what most consider as 'Shia', but it concerns all religions, all races, all kingdoms - including the natural ones - all the worlds, all tribes, all the prophets, all saints, so if one person among the shiachat community under the umbrella of world shia islam makes it to 313, then that will be already amazing. Although I have hope for more.

Hope is the key, as the best reason to support a change in events is for the simple reason to truly abolish poverty and ignorance. The aim is to as quickly as possible stop people from going hungry, sleeping in dirty clothes, and of course avoid the fear and terror of being bombed or expelled by the countless war machines on earth today. It breaks my heart to see beggars and poor people roaming around the garbage to find sustenance. It breaks my heart thinking of all the injustices done to people today and tomorrow due to corrupt legal systems, and corrupt financial systems. All the people who die and suffer from cancer needlessly due to bad food and lack of a free and honest medical system. Every human being who is being raped today and tomorrow makes me sad, and above all the mental rape and spriritual rape that affects us all. We are all being raped, killed, robbed and lied to every moment of our lives, because our parents have allowed those criminals to remain in power. Now they are so powerful that it is hard to even tell who they are.

I feel so bad for all those lives and talents that are wasted, while toiling for some money to make ends meet. Everybody wants to have a simple life and be loved. For the sake of love, everybody will provide a much better service than for the sake of money slavery. We are living in a system that pushes us to be slaves ungodly ways. It could all be so simple!

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On 10/10/2020 at 5:43 AM, F.M said:

if only a world war 3 starts then everyone is finished!! because of the nuclear science we developed..

l do not agree because you used the word 'finished.'

Beginning in the 1970s, modern conventional weapons made tactical nuclear devices obsolete. Especially when security, specialized maintenance, special teams and the expensiveness are factored in. Look at the current Nagorno-Karabakh conflict between 3rd World countries Armenia and Azerbaijan. You see what 'dead steel' armor now is. And during the lraq Repression, the US Air Force dropped guided concrete bombs in urban areas --wiping out the Resistance positions one-by-one.

Also, there is an international informal understanding that any country that used thermo-nukes will be attack by all the other nuclear powers.

So, instead of "finished", the word should be/will be "Yemenized."

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5 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

It is hard to imagine that hundreds of people from all races, cultures and geographic locations will meet at a meeting point without prior communication and work.

Actually, l do not find it hard to imagine. Everything is easy for Allah -(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). to do. 

Hypothetical example, these women and men will just get up an travel to whereever.

Can you give me a reference to read on this?

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12 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

, so our dear honorable brother @F.M who took the important step of starting this thread mentioned him not making a shia organisation. In my opinion I would say "why not?". It is in the nature of Gods blessed creations to organize things in order to achieve success. The only thing is that it would have to be an organisation that has never been done before. It needs to be creatively done in a brand new way while holding on to the most basic principles of Islam. All organisations of the past have failed so far.

 

Oh dear..... I am a sister :hahaha:

btw thanks brooo for you’re nice text

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Let’s we all be clear with each other..

whoever wants to join or prepare for his pleasant return will be welcome

whoever don’t want to join then leave the chat and go find you’re interest.

 

we youth are motivated to take that unique step to change the world and prepare for his holy return and with allahs help we are able to create a network..if the older people are dis motivating us than it’s you’re own problem... coz we are not letting anyone destroy our dreams to meet our holy imam...

seriously, we need justice and we will get it.. with or without you’re help

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