Fallibility of Prophets

[Allah Seeker]

Al-Salam Alaikum,

 

The first part are color coded Arabic that highlight all the words that are relevant to this topic in context to each prophet, although I am sure that there are many that I've missed.

After that is English explanations that are directly linked to verses and then hadiths.

 

 

: آدم

 

   و يا آدم اسكن أنت وزوجك الجنة فكلا من حيث شئتما و لا تقربا هذه الشجرة فتكونا من الظالمين

7:19

 

 فوسوس لهما الشيطان ليبدي لهما ما ووري عنهما من سوآتهما و قال ما نهاكما ربكما عن هذه الشجرة إلا أن تكونا ملكين أو تكونا من الخالدين

 7:20

 

 و قاسمهما إني لكما لمن الناصحين

 7:21

 

فدلاهما بغرور فلما ذاقا الشجرة بدت لهما سوآتهما و طفقا يخصفان عليهما من ورق الجنة و ناداهما ربهما ألم أنهكما عن تلكما الشجرة و أقل لكما إن الشيطان لكما عدو مبين

 7:22

 

قالا ربنا ظلمنا أنفسنا و إن لم تغفر لنا و ترحمنا لنكونن من الخاسرين

 7:23

 

يا بني آدم لا يفتننكم الشيطان كما أخرج أبويكم من الجنة ينزع عنهما لباسهما ليريهما سوآتهما إنه يراكم هو و قبيله من حيث لا ترونهم إنا جعلنا الشياطين أولياء للذين لا يؤمنون

 7:27

 

فتلقى آدم من ربه كلمات فتاب عليه إنه هو التواب الرحيم

2:37

 

فأكلا منها فبدت لهما سوآتهما وطفقا يخصفان عليهما من ورق الجنة وعصى آدم ربه فغوى

20:121

 

 

إبراهيم :

 

ربنا اغفر لي و لوالدي و للمؤمنين يوم يقوم الحساب

 14:41 

 

 

موسى :

 

 قال سبحانك تبت إليك و أنا أول المؤمنين

7:143

 

قال رب اغفر لي و لأخي وأدخلنا في رحمتك و أنت أرحم الراحمين

7:151

 

قال رب إني ظلمت نفسي فاغفر لي فغفر له إنه هو الغفور الرحيم

28:16

 

 قال فعلتها إذا و أنا من الضالين

26:20

 

 

: داوود

 

و ظن داوود أنما فتناه فاستغفر ربه وخر راكعا و أناب

38:24

 

 

سليمان :

 

فقال إني أحببت حب الخير عن ذكر ربي حتى توارت بالحجاب

38:32

 

و لقد فتنا سليمان وألقينا على كرسيه جسدا ثم أناب

38:34

 

 قال رب اغفر لي

38:35

 

 

يونس:

 

فالتقمه الحوت وهو مليم

 37:142

 

وذا النون إذ ذهب مغاضبا فظن أن لن نقدر عليه فنادى في الظلمات أن لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين

21:87

 

 

محمد:

 

عفا الله عنك لم أذنت لهم حتى يتبين لك الذين صدقوا وتعلم الكاذبين

9:43

 

و كذلك أوحينا إليك روحا من أمرنا ما كنت تدري ما الكتاب و لا الإيمان و لكن جعلناه نورا نهدي به من نشاء من عبادنا وإنك لتهدي إلى صراط مستقيم

42:52

 

فاعلم أنه لا إله إلا الله و استغفر لذنبك و للمؤمنين و المؤمنات و الله يعلم متقلبكم ومثواكم

47:19

 

ليغفر لك الله ما تقدم من ذنبك و ما تأخر و يتم نعمته عليك و يهديك صراطا مستقيما

48:2

 

يا أيها النبي لم تحرم ما أحل الله لك تبتغي مرضات أزواجك و الله غفور رحيم

66:1

 

و وجدك ضالّا  فهدى

93:7

 

و لو يؤاخذ الله الناس بظلمهم ما ترك عليها من دابة 

16:61

 

___________

 

و لكلّ درجات مما عملوا

6:132

 

___________

 

و من يتعد حدود الله فأولئك هم الظالمون

2:229

 

فمن تاب من بعد ظلمه و أصلح فإن الله يتوب عليه إن الله غفور رحيم

5:39

 

و هو الذي يقبل التوبة عن عباده ويعفو عن السيئات و يعلم ما تفعلون

42:25

 

فمن تاب من بعد ظلمه وأصلح فإن الله يتوب عليه إن الله غفور رحيم

5:39

 

 نغفر لكم خطاياكم

2:58

 

الذين يقولون ربنا إننا آمنا فاغفر لنا ذنوبنا و قنا عذاب النار

3:16

 

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و الذين إذا فعلوا فاحشة أو ظلموا أنفسهم ذكروا الله فاستغفروا لذنوبهم و من يغفر الذنوب إلا الله و لم يصروا على ما فعلوا وهم يعلمون

3:135

 

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 ما ضل صاحبكم و ما غوى

53:2

 

: ضل

 

1.

ألم يجدك يتيما فآوى

93:6

 

و وجدك ضالّا  فهدى

93:7

 

 

2.

ما يضل به إلا الفاسقين

2:26

 

 

3.

قال علمها عند ربي في كتاب لا يضل ربي و لا ينسى

20:52

 

 

ولم يكن له كفوا أحد

 

 

4.

قال اهبطا منها جميعا بعضكم لبعض عدو فإما يأتينكم مني هدى فمن اتبع هداي فلا يضل ولا يشقى

20:123

 

 

: غوى

 

فأكلا منها فبدت لهما سوآتهما وطفقا يخصفان عليهما من ورق الجنة وعصى آدم ربه فغوى

 

لا نفرق بين أحد من رسله (2:285, 3:84, 4:152)

20:121

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يا أيها النبي لم تحرم ما أحل الله لك تبتغي مرضات أزواجك و الله غفور رحيم

66:1

 

يا أيها الذين آمنوا لا تحرموا طيبات ما أحل الله لكم ولا تعتدوا إن الله لا يحب المعتدين

 5:87

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 يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت و يطهركم تطهيرا

33:33

 

و يذهب غيظ قلوبهم ( مؤمنين ) ويتوب الله على من يشاء و الله عليم حكيم

9:15

 

 

دعا کُمَيل

 

اَلّلهُمَّ اغفِرلی کُلَّ ذَنبٍ اَذنَبتُهُ وَ کُلَّ خَطيئَةٍ اَخطَأتُها،

 

Al-Salaam Alaikum,

 

 

The word "infallible", is inaccurately translated from the word maasum , which means guarded/protected. Maasum does not mean infallible, and neither is it ever used that way in Quran and Narrations.

 

 

 

 I. The word Maasum (root ع ص م ), it's uses in Quran and Narrations:

 

 

 

• Maasum in the Quran:

 

 

1 - Prophet Mohamed being Maasum from people: 

 

 

 يا أيها الرسول بلغ ما أنزل إليك من ربك وإن لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته والله يعصمك من الناس إن الله لا يهدي القوم الكافرين

 

O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect (yeaasumak) you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people. 5:67

 

 

... everybody knows that the prophet was not perfectly protected from people in every way. He even got injured in battle, and suffered a lot due to people. Same with Imam Ali who also wasn't totally protected by people, who ended up stabbing him in the back.

 

 

2 - Prophet Noah being Maasum/protected from Decree of Allah:

 

 

قال سآوي إلى جبل يعصمني من الماء قال لا عاصم اليوم من أمر الله إلا من رحم وحال بينهما الموج فكان من المغرقين

 

he (Noahs son) said, "I will take refuge on a mountain to protect me from the water." [Noah] said, "There is no protector (Aassem) today from the decree of Allah , except for whom He gives mercy." And the waves came between them, and he was among the drowned.

 

 

3 - Being Maasum/protected from Allah:

 

 

 قل من ذا الذي يعصمكم من الله إن أراد بكم سوءا أو أراد بكم رحمة ولا يجدون لهم من دون الله وليّا ولا نصيرا

 

Say, "Who is it that can protect you from Allah if He intends for you an ill or intends for you a mercy?" And they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or any helper.

 

 

4 - About evil people, that they are not Maasum from Allah:

 

 

ما لهم من الله من عاصم

 

 They will have from Allah no protector.  10:27

 

 

it goes to say that any person who is good, is protected by Allah in this life and the next to a certain extent.

 

 

.. from Quran we can see that the word Maasum has little to do with absolute "infallibility". And some people say that it's Maasum min al khata', or protected from mistakes. In that case, it can not be taken as absolute.

 

 

• Grammatically, the word maasum is like muslim. maasum is somebody who is guarded, and muslim is somebody who is surrendered. does that mean that muslims are totally absolutely surrendered in every way? 

وأنا منا المسلمون ومنا القاسطون فمن أسلم فأولئك تحروا رشدا

 

And whoever has become Muslim - those have sought out the right course. 72:14

 

 

• Here uses of the word Maasoum in Narrations by Imam:

 

 

1 - قال نحن خزان علم الله، نحن تراجمة أمر الله، نحن قوم معصومون، أمر الله تبارك وتعالى بطاعتنا ونهى عن معصيتنا، نحن الحجة البالغة على من دون السماء و فوق الارض.

 

We are the treasuries of the knowledge of Allah, and the interpreters of the command of Allah. We are a guarded / maasoom community, and Allah has commanded obedience to us and prohibited disobedience to us. We are the hujja/proof encompassing all that is below the heavens and above the Earth. (al-Kafi, Volume 1, hadith 701)

 

 

2 - أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب ع قال إن الله تبارك و تعالى طهرنا و عصمنا و جعلنا شهداء على خلقه و حججا في أرضه و جعلنا مع القرآن و جعل القرآن معنا لا نفارقه و لا يفارقنا

 

Ameer Al-Mu’mineen `Alee bin Abee Taalib (عليه السلام) said: “Verily Allaah has purified us and us guarded / Maasoum, and made us witnesses upon his creations, and his proof on his earth, and made us with the Qur’aan, and made the Qur’aan with us. We shall not separate from it nor shall it separate from us”

 

 Al-Sadooq, Kamaal Al-Deen, vol. 1, ch. 22, pg. 240, hadeeth # 63

Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 1, Kitaab Al-Hujjah, Ch. 15, hadeeth # 2, pg. 203 - 205

 

 

.. even though the ahl bayt are purified, guarded and witness over creations, we can not conclude this in an absolute way. Just like it is impossible for any human to witness all of creations. only Allah is the Witness , His holy Name is al Shaheed الشهيد.

 

 

A - و عنده مفاتح الغيب لا يعلمها إلا هو ويعلم ما في البر والبحر وما تسقط من و رقة إلا يعلمها ول ا حبة في ظلمات الأرض و لا رطب و لا يابس إلا في كتاب مبين

 

And with Him are the keys of the unseen; none knows them except Him. And He knows what is on the land and in the sea. Not a leaf falls but that He knows it. And no grain is there within the darknesses of the earth and no moist or dry [thing] but that it is in a clear record. 6:59 (Quran)

 

 

furthermore in the aya 33:33 where the likes of Prophet Mohamed and Imam Ali are addressed, Allah talks of His intention of purifying them from impurity/sin. How can that be if they are perfectly pure? Is it possibly to remove impurity from a perfectly pure being? ( this argument is brought up later again for a detailed comprehensive objective study of that holy verse 33:33 )

 

 

B -  يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت ويطهركم تطهيرا

 

Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity, O people of the House, and to purify you with purification.

 

 

so just like we can not say that prophets and imams are witness to all the creations, and that they are completely utterly pure at time of 33:33 coming down, we can not claim they are guarded in every single way.

 

 

 

This Note is to show proofs why the word maasum is not in an absolute way. For the sake of understanding our Prophets and Imams better, and hence understand Allah better. It is important to understand that they are fallible creatures who are not absolute in any way. Only Allah is Absolute, and He does not share or compare with anyone. 

 

 

 

 

II. Here verses that show the fallibility  Prophets:

 

 

 

1 - Prophet Adam:

 

 

A - و يا آدم اسكن أنت وزوجك الجنة فكلا من حيث شئتما و لا تقربا هذه الشجرة فتكونا من الظالمين

 

And "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat from wherever you will but do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers." 7:19

 

 

B - فوسوس لهما الشيطان ليبدي لهما ما ووري عنهما من سوآتهما و قال ما نهاكما ربكما عن هذه الشجرة إلا أن تكونا ملكين أو تكونا من الخالدين

 

But Satan whispered to them to make apparent to them that which was concealed from them of their private parts. He said, "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal." 7:20

 

 

C - و قاسمهما إني لكما لمن الناصحين

 

And he swore to them, "Indeed, I am to you from among the sincere advisors." 7:21

 

 

D - فدلاهما بغرور فلما ذاقا الشجرة بدت لهما سوآتهما و طفقا يخصفان عليهما من ورق الجنة و ناداهما ربهما ألم أنهكما عن تلكما الشجرة و أقل لكما إن الشيطان لكما عدو مبين

 

So he made them fall, through deception. And when they tasted of the tree, their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten together over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And their Lord called to them, "Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you that Satan is to you a clear enemy?" 7:22

 

 

E - قالا ربنا ظلمنا أنفسنا و إن لم تغفر لنا و ترحمنا لنكونن من الخاسرين

 

They said, "Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers." 7:23

 

 

F - يا بني آدم لا يفتننكم الشيطان كما أخرج أبويكم من الجنة ينزع عنهما لباسهما ليريهما سوآتهما إنه يراكم هو و قبيله من حيث لا ترونهم إنا جعلنا الشياطين أولياء للذين لا يؤمنون

 

O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, stripping them of their clothing to show them their evil. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe. 7:27

 

 

G - فتلقى آدم من ربه كلمات فتاب عليه إنه هو التواب الرحيم

 

Then Adam received from his Lord words, and He accepted his repentance (fa taaba eleyh). Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful. 2:37

 

 

H - فأكلا منها فبدت لهما سوآتهما وطفقا يخصفان عليهما من ورق الجنة وعصى آدم ربه فغوى

 

And Adam and his wife ate of it, and their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred. 20:121

 

 

 

2 - Prophet Abraham asking for forgiveness:

 

 

ربنا اغفر لي و لوالدي و للمؤمنين يوم يقوم الحساب

 

Our Lord, forgive me and my parents and the believers the Day the account is established." 14:41 

 

 

 

3 - Prophet Moses repenting for his mistakes:

 

 

 A - قال سبحانك تبت إليك و أنا أول المؤمنين

 

"Exalted are You! I have repented  to You (tubt elaik), and I am the first of the believers."7:143

 

 

B - قال رب اغفر لي و لأخي وأدخلنا في رحمتك و أنت أرحم الراحمين

 

[Moses] said, "My Lord, forgive me and my brother and admit us into Your mercy, for You are the most merciful of the merciful." 7:151

 

 

C - قال رب إني ظلمت نفسي فاغفر لي فغفر له إنه هو الغفور الرحيم

 

He said, "My Lord, indeed I have wronged myself, so forgive me," and He forgave him. Indeed, He is the Forgiving, the Merciful. 28:16

 

 

D - قال فعلتها إذا و أنا من الضالين

 

[Moses] said, "I did it, then, while I was of those astray (addalleen). 26:20

 

 

4 - Prophet David asking for forgiveness:

 

 

و ظن داوود أنما فتناه فاستغفر ربه وخر راكعا و أناب

 

And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] and turned in repentance. 38:24

 

 

5 - Prophet Sulaiman asking for forgiveness:

 

 

A - فقال إني أحببت حب الخير عن ذكر ربي حتى توارت بالحجاب

 

And he ( Solomon ) said, "Indeed, I gave preference to the love of good [things] over the remembrance of my Lord until the sun disappeared into the curtain [of darkness]." 38:32

 

 

B - و لقد فتنا سليمان وألقينا على كرسيه جسدا ثم أناب

 

And indeed We already tempted Sulayman, (Solomon) and We cast upon his chair a corporeal (form); thereafter he turned in repentance. 38:34

 

 

C - قال رب اغفر لي

 

He said, "My Lord, forgive me  38:35

 

 

 

6 - Prophet Younes:

 

 

A - فالتقمه الحوت وهو مليم

 

Then the whale swallowed him, while he was blameworthy. 37:142

 

 

B - وذا النون إذ ذهب مغاضبا فظن أن لن نقدر عليه فنادى في الظلمات أن لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين

 

And the man of the fish (Younis), when he went off in anger and thought that We would not decree [anything] upon him. And he called out within the darknesses, "There is no deity except You; exalted are You. Indeed, I have been of the wrongdoers ." 21:87

 

 

 

7 - Prophet Muhamed:

 

 

A - عفا الله عنك لم أذنت لهم حتى يتبين لك الذين صدقوا وتعلم الكاذبين

 

May Allah pardon you; why did you give them permission? [You should not have] until it was evident to you who were truthful and you knew the liars. 9:43

 

 

B - و كذلك أوحينا إليك روحا من أمرنا ما كنت تدري ما الكتاب و لا الإيمان و لكن جعلناه نورا نهدي به من نشاء من عبادنا وإنك لتهدي إلى صراط مستقيم

 

And thus We have revealed to you an inspiration of Our command. You did not know what is the Book or faith, but We have made it a light by which We guide whom We will of Our servants. And indeed, you guide to a straight path - 42:52

 

 

C - فاعلم أنه لا إله إلا الله و استغفر لذنبك و للمؤمنين و المؤمنات و الله يعلم متقلبكم ومثواكم

 

So know that there is no god except Allah, and ask forgiveness for your guilty deed, and for the male believers and female believers; and Allah knows your moving about and your lodging. 47:19

 

 

D - ليغفر لك الله ما تقدم من ذنبك و ما تأخر و يتم نعمته عليك و يهديك صراطا مستقيما

 

That Allah may forgive for you what preceded of your sin and what will follow and complete His favor upon you and guide you to a straight path 48:2

 

 

E - يا أيها النبي لم تحرم ما أحل الله لك تبتغي مرضات أزواجك و الله غفور رحيم

 

O Prophet, why do you prohibit what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. 66:1

 

 

F - و وجدك ضالّا  فهدى

 

And He found you lost and guided [you], 93:7

 

 

Finally:

 

 

 

و لو يؤاخذ الله الناس بظلمهم ما ترك عليها من دابة و لكن يؤخرهم إلى أجل مسمّى فإذا جاء أجلهم لا يستأخرون ساعة ولا يستقدمون

 

And if Allah were to impose blame on the people for their wrongdoing, He would not have left upon the earth any creature,  16:61

 

 

 

 

III. Excerpt from Dua / Supplication Kumayl by Imam Ali, showing fallibility of Imam Ali

 

 

 

O Allah! Forgive me my such sins as would affront my continency O Allah! Forgive me my such sins as would bring down calamity

 

O Allah! Forgive me my such sins as would change divine favours (into disfavours (O Allah! Forgive me my such sins as would hinder my supplication O Allah! Forgive me such sins as bring down misfortunes (or afflictions) O Allah! Forgive my such sins as would suppress hope

 

O Allah! Forgive every sin that I have committed and every error that I have erred O Allah!

 

...

 

O Allah! Except Thee I do not find any one able to pardon my sins nor to conceal my loathsome acts Nor have I any one except Thee to change my evil deeds into virtues There is no god but Thou glory and praise be to Thee I have made my own soul to suffer I had the audacity (to sin) by my ignorance Relying upon my past remembrance of Thee and Thy grace towards me

 

O Allah! My Lord! How many of my loathsome acts hast Thou screened (from public gaze) How many of my grievous afflictions (distresses) hast Thou reduced in severity And how many of my stumbling hast Thou protected, how many of my detestable acts has Thou averted, and how many of my undeserving praises hast Thou spread abroad!

 

O Allah! My trials and sufferings have increased and my evilness has worsened, my good deeds have diminished and my yokes (of misdeeds) have become firm And remote hopes restrain me to profit (by good deeds) and the world has deceived me with its allurements and my own self has been affected by treachery and procrastination

 

Therefore, my Lord! I implore Thee by Thy greatness not to let my sins and my misdeeds shut out access to my prayers from reaching Thy realm and not to disgrace me by exposing those (hidden ones) of which Thou hast knowledge nor to hasten my retribution for those vices and misdeeds committed by me in secret which were due to evil mindedness, ignorance, excessive lustfulness and my negligence

 

O Allah! I beg Thee by Thy greatness to be compassionate to me in all circumstances and well disposed towards me in all matters My God! My Nourisher! Have I anyone except Thee from whom I can seek the dislodging of my evils and understanding of my problems?

My God! My Master! Thou decreed a law for me but instead I obeyed my own low desires And I did not guard myself against the allurements of my enemy He deceived me with vain hopes whereby I was led astray and fate helped him in that respect Thus I transgressed some of its limits set for me by Thee and I disobeyed some of Thy commandments;

 

Thou hast therefore a (just) cause against me in all those matters and I have no plea against Thy judgment passed against me I have therefore become (justifiably) liable to Thy judgment and afflictions

But now I have turned Thee, my Lord, after being guilty of omissions and transgressions against my soul, apologetically, repentantly, broken heartedly, entreating earnestly for forgiveness, yieldingly confessing (to my guilt) as I can find no escape from that which was done by me and having no refuge to which I could turn except seeking Thy acceptance of my excuse and admitting me into the realm of Thy capacious mercy

 

O Allah! Accept my apology and have pity on my intense sufferings and set me free from my heavy fetters (of evil deeds) My Nourisher! Have mercy on the infirmity of my body, the delicacy of my skin and the brittleness of my bones O' Thou!

 

 

 

 

IV. Logic Proof:

 

 

 

• Allah has no partners:

 

1. Allah is infallible
2. Allah has no partner / shareek
3. Therefore only Allah is infallible

 

 

و لم يكن له كفوا أحد

 

"Nor is there to Him any equivalent." 112:4. 

 

 

• Only Allah is absolute

 

1 - no mistakes = zero mistakes

 

2 - zero, like infinity is absolute.

 

3 - الصمد Al Samad (The Eternal, The Absolute, The Self-Sufficient)

 

 

Prophet mohamed is among the highest of the highest (if not the highest) of all creatures, who are in degrees .. and degrees is still limited to more or less, but not infinity or zero. only Allah is infinitely perfect and has zero faults

 

 

• mankind and prophets are in degrees, which means that they are relative to each other. It is not possible to be more or less infallible. or more or less zero. Can a cup be more or less full? can a cup be more or less empty?

A - تلك الرسل فضلنا بعضهم على بعض منهم

Those messengers - some of them We caused to exceed others. 2:253

B - هم درجات عند الله و الله بصير بما يعملون

They are in varying grades with Allah 3:163

C - نرفع درجات من نشاء

We raise up in degrees whomever We decide 6:83

D - و لكلّ درجات مما عملوا

And for all are degrees from what they have done. 6:132

E - أولئك هم المؤمنون حقّا لهم درجات عند ربهم

Those are the believers, truly. For them are degrees with their Lord  8:4

 

 

Again, only Allah is completely infallible.

 

 

 

 

V. Arguments used for claiming partnership in God's infallibility among Islamic Schools:

 

Argument 1 - When Allah forbid Adam, it was a recommendation, not a command / there was no Law in Heaven for Adam and Eve:

 

 

 

According to the experts of Islamic

jurisprudence, the orders givenby Allãh are of two

types:

 

1.Al-amr al-mawlawi, a legislative command.

Such orders must be implemented; and, if someone

disobeys such a command, then heis committing a sin

and is liable to be punished.

 

2Al-amr al-irshãdi, an advisory command. Such

orders are of advisory nature; their purpose is to

inform the people about its consequences. However, if

someone disobeys such an order, then he is not

committing a sin; of course, hewill have to face the

consequences of not following the advice.

 

We have already explained that commands of Allah do not always have

the force of obligation or prohibition. And, by keeping

in mind those verses which prove the ‘i¥mah, we have

no choice but to interpret this word as “disobeyed the

advisory command”.

 

 

.. those are invented standards that have no basis in the Quran or Hadiths.

 

• Let us look at the part where Allah talks about forbidding Adam:

 

 

A - و يا آدم اسكن أنت و زوجك الجنة فكلا من حيث شئتما و لا تقربا هذه الشجرة فتكونا من الظالمين

 

And "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat from wherever you will but do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers (zalemeen )." 7:19

 

 

B - فوسوس لهما الشيطان ليبدي لهما ما و وري عنهما من سوآتهما و قال ما نهاكما ربكما عن هذه الشجرة إلا أن تكونا ملكين أو تكونا من الخالدين

 

But Satan whispered to them to make apparent to them that which was concealed from them of their private parts. He said, "Your Lord did not forbid ( nahakuma) you this tree except that you become angels or become of the immortal." 7:20

 

 

C - ألم أنهكما عن تلكما الشجرة و أقل لكما إن الشيطان لكما عدو مبين

 

"Did I not forbid (anhakuma root word ن ه ي ) you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?" 7:22

 

 

D - قالا ربنا ظلمنا أنفسنا و إن لم تغفر لنا و ترحمنا لنكونن من الخاسرين

 

They said, "Our Lord, we have wronged (done zulm) ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers." 7:23

 

 

The Quranic verses use for the word "forbidden" a word that is very clearly used for something that is very much forbidden, including in reference to 'major sins', usury, polytheism, immorality, bad conduct and corruption:

 

 

• At the same time the other verses show clearly that Allah "forbade" this tree. let us look at other verses that use the same root word to signify "forbid"  ( root word ن ه ي )

 

A - for major sins:

 

 

إن تجتنبوا كبائر ما تنهون عنه نكفر عنكم سيئاتكم و ندخلكم مدخلا كريما

 

If you avoid the major sins which you are forbidden ( root word ن ه ي ), We will remove from you your lesser sins and admit you to a noble entrance [into Paradise]. 4:31

 

B - usury:

 

 

و أخذهم الربا و قد نهوا عنه

 

And [for] their taking of usury while they had been forbidden ( root word ن ه ي ) from it 4:161

 

 

C - worshipping others than Allah:

 

 

قل إني نهيت أن أعبد الذين تدعون من دون الله لما جاءني البينات من ربي وأمرت أن أسلم لرب العالمين

 

Say, "Indeed, I have been forbidden (nuhytu / root word ن ه ي ) to worship those you call upon besides Allah once the clear proofs have come to me from my Lord, and I have been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds." 40:66

 

D - Immorality, oppression:

 

 

إن الله يأمر بالعدل و الإحسان و إيتاء ذي القربى و ينهى عن الفحشاء و المنكر و البغي يعظكم لعلكم تذكرون

 

Indeed, Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids (yanha / root word ن ه ي)  immorality and bad conduct and oppression. 16:90

 

 

 

• additionally, let us remember that the one who claimed that Allah did not forbid Adam from the tree was Satan ("Your Lord did not forbid you this tree 7:20). So that also is proof that we can not follow Shaytans footsteps by claiming that Allah did not forbid it.

 

 

 

In the first aya 7:19, Allah tells Adam "do not" in the same exact way like Allah tells us "Do not worship except Allah"  2:83.

 

So Allah's command of "do not" or لا is very clear.

 

 

 

 

Argument 2 - Hadiths that contradict Quran:

 

The only hadiths i could find which refutes the commonly agreed upon interpretation of words such as zulm, ghfr, and aldhaleen, is from the following website:

 

http://maaref-foundation.net/english/library/hadith/uyun_akhbar_al_reza_1/20.htm#a252

 

 

however, below is highlighted a sentence that actually admits that Adam and prophet Mohamed committed (minor) sins, while claiming that after they became prophets they committed no mistakes.

 

 

 

CHAPTER FIFTEEN:ANOTHER SESSION WITH AL-REZA (S) AND AL-MA’MUN ON THE INFALLIBILITY OF THE PROPHETS

15-1 Tamim ibn Abdullah ibn Tamim al-Qurashi - may God be pleased with him - narrated that his father quoted on the authority of Hamdan ibn Soleiman al-Neishaboori, on the authority of Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Al-Jahm that he entered a session held by Al-Ma’mun. Ali ibn Musa Al-Reza (s) was also there. Al-Ma’mun asked him, “O Son of the Prophet! Don’t you say that the Prophets (s) are innocent?”

Imam Al-Reza (s) replied, “Yes.”

 

(364)

The two of them did not approach that tree, nor did they eat from it. However, after being tempted by Satan they ate from another tree.[256] Satan told them, ‘... Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest you should become angels or such beings as live forever.’[257] Satan swore to them that he was their sincere advisor. Adam and Eve had never seen anyone falsely swear to God before. ‘So by deceit he brought about their fall...’[258] Thus trusting his oath they ate from the tree. This happened before Adam's Prophethood. It was not a major sin to make him deserve to enter the Fire. But it was a minor sin which God forgives.[259] Such sins are also permitted for the Prophets before their appointment. Once God appointed Muhammad (s) to Prophethood, he became innocent and did not commit any minor or major sins. God says, ‘... Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and allowed himself to be seduced. But his Lord chose him (for His Grace): He turned to him, and gave him guidance.’[260]

 

• example, showing contradiction to quran:

 

i. the root word ظ ل م (zulm) is mentioned in the Quran 315 times in 12 forms. Each and every time it is in reference to wrong/injustice/oppression/darkness. Additionally, Allah defines the the word zalimeen (those who do zulm/ wrong) very clearly as well: 

 

 

A - و من يتعد حدود الله فأولئك هم الظالمون

 

And whoever transgresses the limits ordained by Allah, then such are the zalimun 2:229

 

 

.. this verse is in perfect harmony with the verse where Allah tells Adam not to transgress the limit of approaching the Tree, or else he will be among the zalemeen (7:19) و لا تقربا هذه الشجرة فتكونا من الظالمين

 

 

B - الذين آمنوا و لم يلبسوا إيمانهم بظلم أولئك لهم الأمن و هم مهتدون

 

It is those who believe and confuse not their belief with zulm, for them there is security and they are the guided. 6:82

 

 

C - و إذ قال موسى لقومه يا قوم إنكم ظلمتم أنفسكم باتخاذكم العجل

 

And when Musa said to his people: "O my people! Verily, you have zalamt anfusikum / zulm to yourselves by worshipping the calf. 2:54

 

 

D - فمن تاب من بعد ظلمه و أصلح فإن الله يتوب عليه إن الله غفور رحيم

 

But whoever repents (taaba) after his zulm and reforms, indeed, Allah will turn to him in forgiveness. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. 5:39

 

 

so, the following hadith goes against the Quran by claiming that zulm is not something bad, in order to explain why Moses said "i did zulm/wrong to myself". The hadith claims that in this case zulm means being in the wrong place: (notice that Prophet Younis and Prophet Adam are likewise mentioned to have done zulm to themselves in the Quran) 

 

 

 

 

Then Al-Ma’mun asked, “Then what do the following words of Moses (s) mean?, ‘O My Lord! I have indeed wronged my soul (zalamt nafsi)!’” [277]

Then the Imam (s) said, “He meant by entering that town that he had placed himself in a condition which he should not have. We will [then] forgive your sins for you

 

Also the hadith does not address when prophet Moses used the word Tubt elaik .. I have repented  to You تبت إليك ( tubt elaik ), 7:143 How can the claim hold that tawba is also something independent of wrongdoing?

 

 

ii. Here Allah puts the words Ghfr and Tawbah in to perspective: (notice that ghfr and zanb are connected)

 

 

A - غافر الذنب و قابل التوب

 

The forgiver of sin (ghafiri al zanb), acceptor of repentance ( qabil atawbi ) 40:3

 

 

B - و هو الذي يقبل التوبة عن عباده ويعفو عن السيئات و يعلم ما تفعلون

 

And it is He who accepts repentance (yaqbalu altawbata) from his servants and pardons misdeeds (yaafu ‘an say’ati)  42:25

 

 

C - فمن تاب من بعد ظلمه وأصلح فإن الله يتوب عليه إن الله غفور رحيم

 

But whoever (taaba) repents after his (zulimih) wrongdoing and reforms (wa salah), indeed, Allah will turn to him in forgiveness (Allah yetubu alayhi). Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. 5:39

 

 

 

Then the hadith goes on to claim that when Moses said to Allah ighfirli, that it means to hide him from the enemies. But in the Quran this word is always used for Allah forgiving sins. Again, the root word gh f r occurs 234 times in 9 different forms, unanimously in relation to Allah forgiving / covering sins.

 

Then when he said 

‘

Faghfirly 

[278]

 

he meant hide me from my enemies

 so that they do not find me and kill me. (

‘Faghfirly’

 in the Quranic verse (

‘So (God) forgave him 

[279]

 for He is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.’

 

[280]

) has been translated by Yusuf Ali as “then forgive me.” The real meaning of 

‘Ghufran

 in Arabic is hiding. It seems that it must have been that he said ‘Aqfirny.) 

 

 

iii. examples of use of istighfar which is always interpreted the same way:

 

 

A - نغفر لكم خطاياكم

 

We will forgive your sins (khata') for you 2:58

 

 

B - الذين يقولون ربنا إننا آمنا فاغفر لنا ذنوبنا و قنا عذاب النار

 

Those who say: "Our Lord! We have indeed believed, so forgive us our sins (zanb) and save us from the punishment of the Fire." 3:16

 

 

C - و الذين إذا فعلوا فاحشة أو ظلموا أنفسهم ذكروا الله فاستغفروا لذنوبهم و من يغفر الذنوب إلا الله و لم يصروا على ما فعلوا وهم يعلمون

 

And who, when they (perform) an obscenity or do an injustice to themselves, remember Allah, and so they ask forgiveness (staghfr) for their guilty deeds- and who forgives (staghfr) guilty deeds except Allah 3:135

 

 

I would like to add that from the words in the Quran, the word ghfr is truly among the most clear and unanimous. Moses asked from Al Ghafur Al Raheem for His ghfr based on zulm done to himself, and saying that this is actually to "hide him from his enemies", contradicts the clear 233 other times that root word is used in Quran.

 

Argument 3 - You have indeed in the Prophet of Allah an exemplary character.(33:21) 

لقد كان لكم في رسول الله أسوة حسنة 

 

• being a good (حسنة hassan ) example does not mean one is infallible like Allah. Any believer is an example to a non-believer .. with prophets being the ultimate human example.

Argument 4 - 53:2 Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed (ضل), nor has he erred (غوى)

 ما ضل صاحبكم و ما غوى

 

• in this verse the Prophet is referred to as someone who was astray then guided:

A - ألم يجدك يتيما فآوى

Did He not find you an orphan and give [you] refuge? 93:6

B - و وجدك ضالّا  فهدى

And He found you lost (ضل) and guided [you], 93:7

.. does that not prove that the statement that the prophet never ever strayed (ضل) in his life wrong?

 

• then the next proof looks at the same word stray / ضل in another verse, where it is mentioned in the same way for all believers :

C - ما يضل به إلا الفاسقين

And He causes to stray (ضل) not except the defiantly disobedient (fasiqeen), 2:26

.. so we can also be sure that this verse does not mean that all non-fasiqs are never mislead ever:

ما ضل

 

Ma dalla 53:2  ( does not err / stray )

 

 

ما يضل

 

ma yudillu  2:26  ( does not cause to err / stray )

 

 

 

• Verse showing Allah not straying / ضل. Of course nobody can share this absolute non-straying with Allah, as nobody can compare with Allah in any way.

 

D - قال علمها عند ربي في كتاب لا يضل ربي و لا ينسى

[Moses] said, "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord in a record. My Lord does not go astray (ضل) or forgets." 20:52

.. now we can be sure that Allah does not go astray at all, and that none is partner with him in this. In this verse we can take it to the infinite and absolute extent. But this verse is surely not comparable to 53:2, because nobody compares to Allah.

 

• All who are following Allah's guidance described as following guidance and not straying:

E - قال اهبطا منها جميعا بعضكم لبعض عدو فإما يأتينكم مني هدى فمن اتبع هداي فلا يضل ولا يشقى

[ Allah ] said, "Descend from Paradise - all, being enemies to one another. And if there should come to you guidance from Me - then whoever follows My guidance will neither go astray (ضل) nor suffer. 20:123

.. yet again we can not say that all those who follow guidance of Allah never ever go astray in any way, like Allah. At the same time it would be wrong of course to say only Prophets and Imams are followers of Allah's guidance. All believers are guided by Allah in ranks as well.

 

• The word used for "err" is also used for Adam. So now we have evidence that Prophet Mohamed was straying at one point, and that Adam erred:

F - 20:121 And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred  (فغوى)

So according to Quran Prophet Adam did err, and saying prophet Mohamed is infallible, and Adam is not, does not make sense, because the Quran tells us not to differentiate between prophets ( 2:285, 3:84, 4:152)

Argument 5: Nor does he speak out of his desire. 53:3  

و ما ينطق عن الهوى

 

• this is a general statement like the following ones, not to be taken literally:

A - الذين يوفون بعهد الله و لا ينقضون الميثاق

 Those who fulfill the covenant of Allah and do not break the contract 13:20

.. this verse does not mean that "people of understanding" referred to in previous verse, never ever break any contract ever.

B - كنتم خير أمة أخرجت للناس تأمرون بالمعروف و تنهون عن المنكر

You are the best nation produced for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong 3:110

.. again this verse talks about all muslims, and definitely despite the description here, the muslims don't enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong each and every time, without fail.

C - إن الله مع الذين اتقوا والذين هم محسنون

For Allah is with those who restrain themselves, and those who do good. 16:128

 

 

.. does this mean that those whom Allah is with always restrain themselves and only ever do good?

 

 

D - بلى من أسلم وجهه لله وهو محسن فله أجره عند ربه و لا خوف عليهم و لا هم يحزنون

 

 4 - Nay,- whoever submits his whole face to Allah and is a doer of good (muhsinun),- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 2:112

 

 

.. so does it mean that those will be rewarded who always do good without ever doing wrong ever?

 

 

 

 

Argument 6: That would mean that Prophets teachings (hadiths) are not perfect! How can a prophet make mistakes? And how can Allah bring us His message through a fallible individual?

 

 

أفلا يتدبرون القرآن و لو كان من عند غير الله لوجدوا فيه اختلافا كثيرا

 

Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy. 4:82

 

 

.. anything that is not Allah will result in discrepancy. Just like the non-quranic narrations. Nobody can claim that our hadiths are infallible, which is basically the Islamic teachings from our Prophet.

 

additionally, the sanad/chains of narrators, the publishers are likewise fallible. So whatever teachings we have apart from Quran, we can be 100% sure they are imperfect teachings.

 

so we can safely say that the quran is from Allah, and the speech of the prophet is not from Allah .. that is the reason why hadiths are incomparable with Quran, and also why only hadiths that are in line with Quran can be accepted.

 

 

 

"The superiority of the Quran over any other speech is as the superiority of Allah over His creation."

Bihar Al Anwar v.92 p.19 no. 18

 

 

 

Argument 7: Allah destined for Adam going to earth ("The decree of Allah was to place Khalifa on earth" 2:30), is a reason why it was not a mistake to disobey God's command. God wanted this to happen.

 

 

There is a basic flaw in this way of thinking, because it is also predestined by Allah that all bad people are going to Hell. Everything that happens including all sins are part of Allah's destiny

 

 

 

 

Argument 8: " Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah."  4:80

 

من يطع الرسول فقد أطاع الله

 

 

 We obey the prophet because he is better than us, but yet we may not compare him to Allah. Just because we are asked to obey the Prophet, does not mean that he is equal to Allah in any way. Allah has no partners / la sharik lah لا شريك له

 

Prophets are in grades, Allah is above grades 

 

 

 

 

Argument 9: “My covenant does not include the unjust.” 2:124 

 

لا ينال عهدي الظالمين

 

 

• This aya is also used as an argument, although it can again not be taken in an absolute way. Saying somebody is no unjust, does not mean they are always Just like Allah.

 

 

 

 

Argument 10: O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best and best in result. 4:59

 

يا أيها الذين آمنوا أطيعوا الله و أطيعوا الرسول و أولي الأمر منكم فإن تنازعتم في شيء فردوه إلى الله و الرسول إن كنتم تؤمنون بالله وا ليوم الآخر ذلك خير و أحسن تأويلا

 

 

again, one may not equate Allah to the prophet, even if the prophet is Allah's vicegerent and messenger. Allah is infallible and complete, while His creatures don't share this. It is best to refer to the prophet after Allah, because the prophet is the best of mankind. therefore, the results will be better than referring to somebody who is relatively worse.

 

Even if Allah tells us "obey Allah and Prophet", it does not mean that Prophet can be compared or set as partner with Allah.

 

.. this is possibly the biggest trap people fall into. They think that because the names of Allah and the prophet are mentioned next to each other, that they can be compared, or likened or share partnership in anything.

 

 

 

 

Argument 11: O Prophet, why do you prohibit what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. 66:1    .. &   that it was not a mistake to "harram" something because the prophet simply did not do it. And not doing something can't be wrong.

 

يا أيها النبي لم تحرم ما أحل الله لك تبتغي مرضات أزواجك و الله غفور رحيم

 

 

• directly opposing Allah - Harram vs. Hallal

 

The simple Arabic words used are "harram" and "hallal", which are exactly opposing antonyms, and action verbs. If Allah makes something halal , and we make it haram, then that is opposing Allah, which is most basically wrong. Opposing Allah in any shape way or form is wrong of course. 

 

Harram can also mean "to restrain". Regardless of the exact context used,  it's still always going to be exactly symmetrically opposite to the word hallal. and being symmetrically directly opposite to Allah can never be right, and always a mistake.

 

 

Furthermore, we have hadith evidence that can shed some more light on this verse:

 

 

A - Tafsir al-Qummi: Ahmad b. Idris reported to us.  He said: Ahmad b. Muhammadnarrated to us from al-Husayn b. Sa`id from Ibn Sayyar from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام regarding His تعالى saying 

 

“O prophet, why did you prohibit what Allah has madelawful to you” (to the end of) the aya.  He said: `A’isha and Hafsa found out about the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله while he was with Mariya.  So the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله said: By Allah, I will not draw near her.  So Allah commanded him to atone for his oath.

 

 

B - محمد بن يعقوب: عن علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن ابن أبي نجران، عن عاصم بن حميد، عن محمد بن قيس، قال: قال أبو جعفر (عليه السلام): «قال الله عز و جل لنبيه (صلى الله عليه و آله): يا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ ما أَحَلَّ اللَّهُ لَكَ تَبْتَغِي مَرْضاتَ أَزْواجِكَ وَ اللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ قَدْ فَرَضَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ تَحِلَّةَ أَيْمانِكُمْ فجعلها يمينا و كفرها رسول الله (صلى الله عليه و آله)». قلت: بم كفر؟ قال: «أطعم عشرة مساكين، لكل مسكين مد».

 

al-Kafi: Muhammad b. Ya`qub from`Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Abi Najran from `Asim b. Humayd fromMuhammad b. Qays.  He said: Abu Ja`far عليه السلام said: Allah عز و جل said toHis Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله 

 

“O prophet, why did you prohibit what Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? but Allah is forgiving, merciful. Allah has prescribed for you to expiate (make halal) your oaths” So he made it an oath and the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله atoned it (did kaffara for it).  I said: What did he atone it with? He said: Feeding ten poor people, for every poor person a mudd (of food).

 

 

C – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Mahbub from `Ali as-Sa’ee.  He said: I said to Abu ‘l-Hasan عليه السلام: I said to Abu ‘l-Hasan عليه السلام: 

 

I used to marry mut`a, then I disliked it and tired of it. So I gave an oath to Allah, between the rukn and the maqam, and placed upon myself thusly a vow and a fast, that I not marry (by) it.  Then that became burdensome to me and I regretted my oath.  And there is not the strength by my hand that I should marry openly.  He said: So he said to me: You made an oath to Allah that you would not obey Him?  By Allah, if you did not obey Him (then) you would be disobeying Him.

 

And the Shaykh narrated it by his isnad from Muhammad b. Ya`qub. And by his isnad from al-Husaynb. Sa`id from Muhammad b. Isma`il from Hamza b. Bazi` from `Ali as-Sa’ee likewise.

 

 

D -  [26404 ] 2 ـ محمد بن علي بن الحسين بإسناده عن جميل بن صالح قال : إن بعض أصحابنا قال لابي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) : إنه يدخلني من المتعة شيء فقد حلفت أن لا أتزوج متعة أبدا ، فقال أبو عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) : انك إذا لم تطع الله فقد عصيته . 

 

 Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husaynby his isnad from Jamil b. Salih.  He said: One of our companions said to Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام: 

 

There has entered in me something of mut`a, so I have sworn that I will not marry in mut`a ever.  So Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام said: Verily when you have not obeyed Allah then you have disobeyed Him.

 

 

.. so according to these above hadiths it is a mistake to harram what is halal in the same context of 66:1

 

 

• Then furthermore, in relation to verse 6:11, there is another verse that exactly points out to us that to 'harram' something that is 'halal' is wrong:

 

 

يا أيها الذين آمنوا لا تحرموا طيبات ما أحل الله لكم ولا تعتدوا إن الله لا يحب المعتدين

 

O you who have believed, do not prohibit (harram) the good things which Allah has made lawful (hallal Allah) to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors. 5:87

 

 

 here is a tafsir for this verse:

 

al-Qummi narrates under the verse: O you who believe! Do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which Allah has made lawful for you. Narrated to me my father,from Ibn Abi 'Umayr, from some of his men, from Abu 'Abdillah ((عليه السلام).), that he said, 

 

"This verse was revealed about the Leader of the Faithful ((عليه السلام).), Bilal and 'Uthman ibn Maz'un. As for the Leader of the faithful ((عليه السلام).), he had sworn that he would never sleep at night; and as for Bilal, he had sworn that he would never eat during day-time (i.e. would alwayskeep fast); and as for 'Uthman ibn Maz'un, he had sworn that he would never indulge in sexual relation.

 

 

• The argument not doing something halal can not be wrong is also flawed:

 

it can be wrong to restrain oneself from something Halal. Examples of this are restraining from prayer, fasting, charity, and fulfilling a wife's needs.

 

 

• the question of why Allah sent down the verse is in itself a proof:

 

Allah sent down this verse to change something in the prophets way, and guide him away from a wrong decision he took. If it was not an important mistake, then Allah would not have dedicated a chapter to it, called surat Tahreem

 

Argument 12:  Based on aya 2:115 Adam forgot, which makes it not a sin/mistake to disobey Allah? 

"And We had already taken a promise from Adam before, but he forgot; " 20:115

 

و لقد عهدنا إلى آدم من قبل فنسي ولم نجد له عزما

 

 

• again, we can see in the Quran that forgetting does not mean it's not a mistake:

 

 

A - فلما نسوا ما ذكروا به فتحنا عليهم أبواب كل شيء حتى إذا فرحوا بما أوتوا أخذناهم بغتة فإذا هم مبلسون

 

So, when they forgot with which they had been reminded, We opened for them the gates of every (pleasant) thing, until in themidst of their enjoyment in that which they were given, all of a sudden, We took them (in punishment), and lo! They were plunged into destruction with deep regrets and sorrows.  6:44

 

 

B - فاليوم ننساهم كما نسوا لقاء يومهم هذا وما كانوا بآياتنا يجحدون

 

So this Day We shall forget them as they forgot their meeting of this Day, and as they used to reject Our Ayat 7:51

 

 

C -  نسوا الله فنسيهم إن المنافقين هم الفاسقون

 

They have forgotten Allah, so He has forgotten them. Verily, the hypocrites are the Fasiqun 9:67

 

[Musa (Moses)] said: "Call me not to accountfor what I forgot, andbe not hard upon me for my affair 18:73

 

 

D - إن الذين يضلون عن سبيل الله لهم عذاب شديد بما نسوا يوم الحساب

 

Verily, those who wander astray from the Path of Allah (shall) have a severe torment, because they forgot the Day of Reckoning. 38:26

 

 

E - و قيل اليوم ننساكم كما نسيتم لقاء يومكم هذا ومأواكم النار وما لكم من ناصرين

 

And it will be said: "This Day We will forget you as you forgot the Meeting of this Day of yours. And your abode is the Fire, and there is none to help you." 45:34

 

 

F - يوم يبعثهم الله جميعا فينبئهم بما عملوا أحصاه الله و نسوه و الله على كل شيء شهيد

 

On the Day when Allah will resurrect them ( disbelievers / للكافرين 58:5) all together and inform them of what they did. Allah has kept account of it, while they have forgotten it. And Allah is Witness over all things. 58:6

 

 

G - و لا تكونوا كالذين نسوا الله فأنساهم أنفسهم أولئك هم الفاسقون

 

And do not be as those who forgot Allah, so He caused them to forget their selves; those are they who are the immoral 59:19

 

 

the coming three verses are interesting because they shows how shaytan makes people forget:

 

 

H - و قال للذي ظن أنه ناج منهما اذكرني عند ربك فأنساه الشيطان ذكر ربه فلبث في السجن بضع سنين

 

And he  (Joseph) said to the one whom he knew to be saved: "Mention me to your lord." But Shaitan made him forget to mention it to his Lord. So stayed inprison a few years. 12:42

 

 

I - قال أرأيت إذ أوينا إلى الصخرة فإني نسيت الحوت و ما أنسانيه إلا الشيطان أن أذكره واتخذ سبيله في البحر عجبا

 

He said: "Do you remember when we be took ourselves to the rock? I indeed forgot the fish; none but Shaitan made me forget to remember it. It took its course into the sea in a strange!" 18:63

 

 

J - استحوذ عليهم الشيطان فأنساهم ذكر الله أولئك حزب الشيطان ألا إن حزب الشيطان هم الخاسرون

 

Shaitan has overpowered them.So he has made them forget theremembrance of Allah. They are the party of Shaitan. Verily, it is the party of Shaitan that will be the losers!  58:19 

 

 

 

 

Argument 13: This most famous verse: " Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity, people of the House, and to purify you with purification." 33:33

 

 يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت و يطهركم تطهيرا

 

 

• Looking at the word ليذهب or remove:

 

Many people believe that this means remove all impurity, which is not the case, as the word kul is not there. 

 

 

The word for remove is "Yuthhib"  يذهب

 

 

this "never" is a false assumption. here in this following aya Allah telling us that He removes anger from "believers" does that mean that the believers never get angry. if it was absolute it would be written yuthib kol or remove all .. 

 

 

و يذهب غيظ قلوبهم ويتوب الله على من يشاء و الله عليم حكيم

 

And remove the fury (in the believers') hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise. 9:15

 

 

to compare:

 

 

يذهب عنكم الرجس  33:33

 

yuthhib aankum al rijs 33:33

 

remove from you the impurity / sin

 

 

يذهب غيظ قلوبهم 9:15

 

yuthhib ghaytha quloobihim 9:15

 

And remove the fury in their (believers) hearts. 9:15

 

 

• Additionally,  as mentioned previously already, why would there be a need to remove impurity if there is none? Mistakes / impurity need to be present, if they are to be removed. If they were pure and sinless, then there would be no need for purification.

 

 

 

 

Argument 14: Prophets and Imams are not humans like us?

 

 

 A - الإنسان ضعيفا

 

humans are weak. 4:28

 

 

ما المسيح ابن مريم إلا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل وأمه صديقة كانا يأكلان الطعام انظر كيف نبين لهم الآيات ثم انظر أنى يؤفكون

 

The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. 5:75

 

 

B -  ما محمد إلا رسول

 

Muhammad is not but a messenger. 3:144

 

 

C - ما على الرسول إلا البلاغ

 

The duty of the messenger is only to convey 5:99

 

 

D - قالت لهم رسلهم إن نحن إلا بشر مثلكم ( ... ) وعلى الله فليتوكل المؤمنون 

 

Their messengers said to them, "We are only men like you, ( ... )  And upon Allah let the believers rely. 14:11

 

 

E - قل إنما أنا بشر مثلكم

 

Say, "I am a man like you 18:110 

 

 

F - هو الذي بعث في الأميين رسولا منهم

 

It is He who has sent among the unlettered a Messenger from themselves  62:2

 

Argument 15: But Angels make no mistakes too.  based on “ harsh, severe Angels, who do not disobey Allah in what He commands them and who do whatever they are commanded” 66:6

ملائكة غلاظ شداد لا يعصون الله ما أمرهم و يفعلون ما يؤمرون

 

• this verse again can not be used to claim shared perfection or infallibility with Allah. the same proof as used above, showing that Allah says things that are not absolutely totally and always true ( not meant to be taken "literally" and absolutely  )

 

Quoted from above Argument 5:

 

 

الذين يوفون بعهد الله و لا ينقضون الميثاق

1 - Those who fulfill the covenant of Allah and do not break the contract 13:20

.. this verse does not mean that "people of understanding" referred to in previous verse, never ever break any contract ever.

كنتم خير أمة أخرجت للناس تأمرون بالمعروف و تنهون عن المنكر

2 - You are the best nation produced for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong 3:110

.. again this verse talks about all muslims, and definitely despite the description here, the muslims don't enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong each and every time, without fail.

إن الله مع الذين اتقوا والذين هم محسنون

3 - For Allah is with those who restrain themselves, and those who do good. 16:128

 

.. does this mean that those whom Allah is with always restrain themselves and only ever do good?

 

 

بلى من أسلم وجهه لله وهو محسن فله أجره عند ربه و لا خوف عليهم و لا هم يحزنون

 

 4 - Nay,- whoever submits his whole face to Allah and is a doer of good (muhsinun),- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 2:112

 

.. so does it mean that those will be rewarded who always do good without ever doing wrong ever?

• additionally, the Hoopoe of Solomon, who is neither Human nor Jinn, was also about to get punished for something that appeared to be a mistake, until proven it wasn't:

 

 

A - و تفقد الطير فقال ما لي لا أرى الهدهد أم كان من الغائبين

 

And he took attendance of the birds and said, "Why do I not see the hoopoe - or is he among the absent? 27:20

 

 

B - لأعذبنه عذابا شديدا أو لأذبحنه أو ليأتيني بسلطان مبين

 

I will surely punish him with a severe punishment or slaughter him unless he brings me clear authorization." 27:21

 

 

• All creatures other than humans and jinn are not capable of deliberately disobeying Allah, so in this way the Hoopoe and any non-jinns / human are the same. And angels such as Sayidna Gabriel, Michael and Israfil are among the highest ranking creatures of the non-jinn / non-humans.

 

When Adam trusted Satan and approached the tree, he became aware of his shame. It's not that he had no shame before disobeying Allah, it's just that Allah made him unaware of it up to the point of first deliberate disobedience. So the result of approaching this tree was awareness of evil ( س و أ ), and hence also being able to deliberately chose it over following Gods command in full submission. Yet again Allah confirms that Adam disobeyed and erred:

 

 

فأكلا منها فبدت لهما سوآتهما وطفقا يخصفان عليهما من ورق الجنة وعصى آدم ربه فغوى

 

And Adam and his wife ate of it, and their mistake/shame became apparent to them, and they began to fasten over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred. 20:121

 

 

• Furthermore, in case of those who are not aware of their own mistakes, Allah forgives them:

 

C - إنما التوبة على الله للذين يعملون السوء بجهالة ثم يتوبون من قريب فأولئك يتوب الله عليهم وكان الله عليما حكيما

 

The repentance accepted by Allah is for those who do wrong in ignorance and then repent soon after (thuma yetubun). It is those to whom Allah will turn in forgiveness, and Allah is ever Knowing and Wise. 4:17

 

 

 

D - ثم إن ربك للذين عملوا السوء بجهالة ثم تابوا من بعد ذلك و أصلحوا إن ربك من بعدها لغفور رحيم

 

Then, indeed your Lord, to those who have done wrong out of ignorance (amalu su’an bijahalin thuma taabu) and then repent after that and correct themselves - indeed, your Lord, thereafter, is Forgiving and Merciful. 16:119

 

 

All creatures are dependent of Allah's mercy and forgiveness, and all creatures fear Allah.

 

 

• According to Quran Iblis and Jinn are angels:

 

I know that most all schools of Islam contradict this based on some narrations, while forgetting that the clear verses of Quran should be believed first, especially when they are clear.

 

 

وإذ قلنا للملائكة اسجدوا لآدم فسجدوا إلا إبليس أبى واستكبر وكان من الكافرين

 

And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers. 2:34

 

 

وإذ قلنا للملائكة اسجدوا لآدم فسجدوا إلا إبليس كان من الجن ففسق عن أمر ربه

 

And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord.  18:50

 

 

the word "إلا" is clearly "except", and in without in clear reference to "للملائكة" .. or "to the angels"

 

 

according to Islamic faith, we are to accept narrations that are in line with Quran, and not narrations that contradict the clear meanings of Quran. It is better to believe what's clearly written in the Quran, over what narrations we have contradicting the Quran.

 

 

 

"The holy Prophet (s.a.), "Over every truth there is a reality and above every valid issue there is light. Whatever agrees with the holy Quran you must follow it and whatever does not agree disregard it." 

Usool al Kafi Volume 1 h 197

 

• Hadith Showing fallibility of Angels:

 

ـ الإمامُ الصّادقُ (عَلَيهِ الّسَلامُ) ـ في صِفَةِ المَلائكَةِ ـ: وإنَّهُم عَلى مَكانِهِم مِنكَ ، ومَنزِلَتِهِم عِندَكَ، واستِجماعِ أهوائهِم فيكَ ، وكَثرَةِ طاعَتِهِم لَكَ ، وقِلَّةِ غَفلَتِهِم عَن أمرِكَ ، لَو عايَنوا كُنهَ ما خَفِيَ عَلَيهِم مِنكَ لَحَقَّروا أعمالَهُم ، ولَزَرَوا عَلى أنفُسِهِم ، ولَعَرَفوا أ نَّهُم لَم يَعبُدوكَ حَقَّ عِبادَتِكَ ، ولَم يُطيعوكَ حَقَّ طاعَتِكَ . 

 

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said in his description of the angels, ‘They are in their own places [distinct] from You, [and yet] their positions are near You. Their desires are all concentrated on You, their worship for You is abundant, and their neglect of Your command is little. If they were to witness the essence of what is hidden about You from them, they would regard their deeds insignificant, they would reproach themselves and would realize that they have not worshipped You as You deserve to be worshipped, and have not obeyed You as You deserve to be obeyed.’

[Nahj al-Balagha, Sermon 109]

 

... this hadith shows how obviously the angels are not sharing in Allah's infallibility either of course, and still have fallibility.

 

 

Argument 16: if coming of Adam to the earth was a “punishment” because he disobeyed Allah, then he should have been returned to the paradise after Allah “forgave” him. 

 

 

• Nobody has the right to judge what Allah should or should not do, and how He purifies and settles scores. And Adam is destined to return to Heaven anyway, just that he had to serve some time on lowly earth first.

 ألا إلى الله تصير الأمور

 

Verily to Allah all Commands are destined to Him. 42:53

 

 

 

VI. Importance of this Study of avoiding illusion of partnership with Allah

 

 

 

▪  Setting up partners with Allah is the only thing Allah describes Himself as not forgiving in the Quran:

 

 

A - إن الله لا يغفر أن يشرك به ويغفر ما دون ذلك لمن يشاء ومن يشرك بالله فقد ضل ضلالا بعيدا

 

Indeed, Allah does not forgive association/partnering/shirq with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly gone far astray. 4:116

 

 

B - إن الله لا يغفر أن يشرك به ويغفر ما دون ذلك لمن يشاء ومن يشرك بالله فقد افترى إثما عظيما

 

Indeed, Allah does not forgive association/partnering/shirq with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin. 4:48

 

 

C - قالوا سبحانك لا علم لنا إلا ما علمتنا إنك أنت العليم الحكيم

 

They said, "Exalted are You; we have no knowledge except what You have taught us. Indeed, it is You who is the Knowing, the Wise." 2:32

 

 

ـ الإمامُعليٌّ (عَلَيهِ الّسَلامُ) ـ فيوَصِيَّتِه لاِبنِهالحَسَنِ (عَلَيهِ الّسَلامُ) ـ: واعلَمْ يا بُنَيَّ أ نَّهُ لَو كانَ لِرَبِّكَ شَريكٌ لَأتَتكَ رُسُلُهُ ، ولَرَأيتَ آثارَ مُلكِهِ وسُلطانِهِ ، ولَعَرَفتَأفعالَهُ وصِفاتِهِ، ولكِنَّهُ إلهٌ واحِدٌ كَما وَصَفَ نَفسَهُ ، لا يُضادُّهُ في مُلكِهِ أحَدٌ ، ولا يَزولُ أبَداً. 

 

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said in his will to his son, al-Hasan (عليه السلام), ‘And know my son that if your Lord were to have a partner, his messengers would surely have come to you, and you would have seen the signs of his dominion and his power, and you would know his acts and his attributes. He, however, is One God, just as He as described Himself. He is neither opposed by anyone in His kingdom, nor will He ever cease to be.’

[Nahj al-Balagha, Letter 31]

 

• Hajj of Adamm (عليه السلام)

Our grandfather Adam is the first member of the ahl bayt and the first person to perform Hajj for the sake of being forgiven for his mistake:

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Al Kafi 

 

Hajj of Adam: 

 

 

H 6683, Ch. 4, h 1

 

 

 

Ali ibn Muhammad has narrated from Salih ibn abu Hammad from al-Husayn ibn Yazid from al-Hassan ibn Ali ibn abu Hamzah who

 

has said the following:

Abu Ibrahim from abu ‘Abd Allah, ‘Alayhi al-Salam, has said that Allah, the Most Majestic, the

Most Glorious, when Adam and his spouse were affected by the tree of wheat, expelled them fromparadise and made them to descend to earth. Adam landed on al-Safa’ and Hawwa’ (Eve) landed on al-Marwah. Al-Safa’ is called by this name because it is derived from Adam’s name al-Mustafa’ (the chosen one) as Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, has said, “Allah chose Adam and Noah.” (3:33) Al-Marwah is called by this name because it is taken from the word al-Mar’ah (a woman). Adam then said to himself, “Allah has separated her from me is because she is not lawful for me anymore; had she been lawful for me she would descend with me on al-Safa’.” Adam waited away from Hawwa’. He would go to her at al-Marwah during the day and speak to her. At night, for fear that his desires may overcome him, would go back to al-Safa’ and pass the night there. Adam had no one beside Hawwa’ to comfort him and for this reason women are called al-Nisa’ (comforting). Hawwa’ was a source of comfort for Adam. Allah did not speak to him and did not send any messenger to him. Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, then accepted his repentance as a favor to him. He dictated to him certain words. Adam then spoke those words and Allah turned to him with the acceptance of his repentance. He then sent Jibril to him, who offered him the greeting of peace and said, “O repenting Adam, who has turned back from his mistakes and exercised patience on facing misfortune. Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, has sent me to you to teach the good deeds which when you practice will cleanse you.” He then took hold of his hand and moved to the site of the House. Allah sent a piece of cloud and it cast a shadow on the site of the House. The cloud was parallel to the established House in the heaven. Jibril said, “O Adam, draw a mark with your foot around the shadow of this cloud, that has covered the site. A house of diamond will soon emerge for you on this site, which will be a Qiblah for you and your descendents after you.” Adam did as he was told to do and Allah then made a house of diamond emerge for him under the cloud. Allah brought down the Black Stone, which at that time was intensely white, even more than milk and brighter than the sun. It turned black because of the pagans’ touch and because of their filth. Jibril commanded Adam to ask forgiveness from Allah for his sin, near all the reminders (of Allah) and would tell him that Allah, most Majestic, most Glorious, has forgiven him. He commanded him to pick up pebbles, to throw on al-Jamar, from al-Muzdalifah (name of a place). When he arrived at the place of al-Jamar, Satan countered him and said, “O Adam, where are you going?” Jibril told Adam not to speak to him, pelt him with seven pebbles and say Takbir (Allah is great beyond description) with each throw. Adam did as he was told to do until he completed throwing pebbles on al-Jamar. He then commanded him to offer a sacrifice, the offering, which is done before throwing pebbles. He commanded him to shave his head to express humbleness before Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious. Adam did as he was told to do. He (Jibril) then commanded him to visit the House, walk seven times around it and walk seven times between al-Safa’ and al-Marwah, beginning from al-Safa’ to end at al-Marwah. Thereafter walk seven times around the House, which is called Tawaf of women. Without this Tawaf, carnal relation remains unlawful. Adam completed this Tawaf and Jibril said to him, “Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, has forgiven your sin, accepted your repentance and your returning to Him. He has made your spouse lawful for you.” Adam then left, his sin was forgiven, his return to Allah was accepted and his spouse became lawful for him.’”

 

H 6684, Ch. 4, h 2

A number of our people have narrated from Sahl ibn Ziyad from Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Qalanisiy from Ali ibn Hassan from his uncle ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn Kathir who has said the following:

Abu ‘Abd Allah, ‘Alayhi al-Salam, has said that when Adam landed on al-Safa’ and it is called al-Safa’; al-Mustafa (the chosen one) landed there. For this reason it is called (al-Safa’); it is derived from Adam’s name al-Mustafa’ (the chosen one) as Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, has said, “Allah chose Adam and Noah, the family of Ibrahim and family of ‘Imran over the worlds.” (3:33) Hawwa’ (Eve) landed on al-Marwah. Al-Marwah is called by this name because it is taken from the word al-Mar’ah (a woman). Al-Safa’ and al-Marwah are two hills on the right side of al-Ka‘bah. Adam then said to himself, ‘Allah separated her from me; she is not lawful for me anymore. Adam waited away from Hawwa’. He would go to her at al-Marwah during the day and speak to her, and at night, for fear that his desires may overcome him, would go back to al-Safa’ and pass the night there. Adam had no one beside Hawwa’ to comfort him and for this reason women are called al-Nisa’ (comforting). Hawwa’ was a source of comfort for Adam. Adam waited in this condition as long as Allah wanted. Allah did not speak to him and did not send any messenger to him. The Lord, to who belongs glory, expressed pride before the angels because of Adam’s exercising patience. When the time came when Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, decided to accept his repentance, He sent Jibril to him who offered him the greeting of peace and said, “O repenting Adam, who has turned back from his mistakes and has exercised patience on facing misfortune. Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, has sent me to you to teach you the good deeds which when you practice will cleanse you.” He then took hold of his hand and moved to the site of the House. Allah sent a piece of cloud and it cast a shadow on the site of the House. Jibril said, “O Adam, draw a mark with your foot around the shadow of this cloud, that has covered the site. It will be a Qiblah for you and your descendents after you.” Adam did as he was told to do. He (Jibril) then left with him to Mina and showed him the Masjid of Mina. He, Adam, drew a line with his foot. He marked the site of the Sacred Masjid after marking the site of the House. He (Jibril) then left from Mina to ‘Arafat and made him to stay at al-Mu‘arraf. He (Jibril) said, “When it is sunset, confess to your sins seven times and ask forgiveness and repentance from Allah, seven times.” Adam did as he was told to do. For this reason it is called al-Mu‘arraf; Adam confessed there to his sin and made a tradition for his offspring to confess to their sin as Adam had done and that they should repent as Adam had done. Then he (Jibril) commanded him to leave ‘Arafat. He passed by the seven hills and he (Jibril) commanded him to say Takbir (Allah is great beyond description) near each hill four times. Adam did as he was told to do. He then arrived in Jam‘ by which time one third of the night had passed. He said his Maghrib and ‘Isha prayer without interval in between at that night at that place. He (Jibril) then commanded him to rest in Batha’, where Adam did so, until morning. He (Jibril) then commanded him to climb the hill of Jam‘ (al-Muzdalifah) when it is sunrise, confess to his sins seven times and ask Allah for forgiveness and repentance seven times. Adam then did as he (Jibril) had told him to do. He made it two confessions so it becomes a tradition for his offspring. Those of them who cannot attend ‘Arafat but can attend Jam‘ (al-Muzdalifah), their Hajj is good so far. He then left for Mina from Jam‘. At noontime, he arrived in Mina and he (Jibril) commanded him to pray two-Rak‘ats prayer in the Masjid of Mina. Then he (Jibril) commanded him to offer a sacrifice before Allah, so it is accepted from him, and take notice that Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, has turned to him, and it (offering sacrifice) becomes a tradition for his offspring. Adam offered a sacrifice. Allah accepted it from him and sent a fire from the sky. Adam’s sacrifice was accepted. He (Jibril) said, “O Adam, Allah has done a favor to you by teaching you the good deeds because of which He has turned to you and has accepted your sacrifice. Shave your head to express humbleness before Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, for His accepting your sacrifice.” Adam shaved his head to express humbleness before Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious. He (Jibril) then held Adam’s hand and left toward the House. On the way, Satan countered him near al-Jamarah. Satan, may he be condemned, asked, “O Adam, where are you going?” He (Jibril) said to Adam, “Pelt him with seven pebbles and say Takbir (Allah is great beyond description) once with each pelting.” Adam did as he was told to do and Satan went away. He (Satan) encountered him again near the second al-Jamarah and asked, “O Adam, where are you going?” He (Jibril) said, “O Adam, pelt him with seven pebbles and say Takbir (Allah is great beyond description) seven times, once with each pelting.” Adam did as he was told to do and Satan went away. Satan then encountered him near the third al-Jamarah and asked, “O Adam, where do you want to go?” He (Jibril) said, “Pelt him with seven pebbles and say Takbir (Allah is great beyond description) seven times, once with each pelting.” Adam did as he was told to do and Satan went away. He (Jibril) said, “From this time on, you will not see him again.” He (Jibril) then left with him for the House and commanded him to do Tawaf (walk) around the House seven times. Adam did as was told to do. He (Jibril) said, to him, “Allah has forgiven your sin, accepted your repentance and has made your spouse lawful for you.”’”

 

H 6685, Ch. 4, h 3

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn abu ‘Umayr from Mu‘awiyah ibn ‘Ammar and Jamil ibn Salih who has said the following:

 

Abu ‘Abd Allah, ‘Alayhi al-Salam, has said that when Adam performed Tawaf around the House and ended by al-Multazam, Jibril said to him, “O Adam, (you must) confess your sins before your Lord at this place.” He (the Imam) has said, ‘Adam stood there and said, “O Lord, every worker has wages. I have worked. What are my wages?” Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, sent wahy (revelation) that said, “I have forgiven your sin.” He then asked, “O Lord, what will happen to my offspring and descendents?” Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, then sent revelation saying,

“Whoever of your offspring will come to this place, confess his sins and return as you returned (repented), then ask for forgiveness, I will forgive.”’”

 

H 6687, Ch. 4, h 5

Muhammad ibn Yahya and others have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from al-‘Abbas ibn Ma‘ruf from Ali ibn Mahziyar from al-Husayn ibn Sa‘id from Ibrahim ibn abu al-Balad who has said the following:

"Abu Bilal al-Makkiy narrated to me saying, ‘I saw abu ‘Abd Allah, ‘Alayhi al-Salam, doing Tawaf around the House then say two Rak‘at salat (prayer) between the door and the Black Stone. I asked him, “I have not seen anyone of you say salat (prayer) at this place.”’ He (the Imam) said, “This is the place where Adam received attention and forgiveness.”’”

 

 

ـ الإمامُ الكاظمُ (عَلَيهِ الّسَلامُ) ـ لَمّا سُئلَ عَن أدنَى المَعرِفةِ ـ: الإقرارُ بأ نَّهُ لا إلهَ غَيرُهُ ، ولا شِبهَ لَهُ ولا نَظيرَ وأ نَّهُ قَديمٌ ، مُثبَتٌ ، مَوجودٌ ، غَيرُ فَقيدٍ ، وأ نَّهُ لَيسَ كَمِثلِه شَيءٌ . 

 

Imam al-Kazim (عليه السلام), when he was asked about the lowest degree of inner knowledge, replied, ‘It is to affirm that there is no god but He, and that He has no likeness or match, and that He is eternal, positively proven to exist, present and not absent, and that there is nothing like Him.’

[al-Kafi, v. 1, p. 86, no. 1]

 

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It can never be repeated enough that 

 

nobody can be compared with Allah

nobody shares with Allah anything

nobody can be likened to Allah

Allah is infallible

Nobody else can share in Allah's infallibility

 

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بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَـٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

 

 

قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ  

Say Allah is one

 

اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ 

 

Allah is Absolute

 

 

لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ 

 

He doesn't give birth, nor is He born

 

 

وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ

 

Nor is there to Him any equivalent

 

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Thanks

[Abu Nur]

An infallible (Arabic: معصوم‎ ma`sūm) is someone who is free from error in leading people to belief, in perceiving divine knowledge, and in practical matters. 

Means that he is protected, thus for such a person they are free from error (as long God wish) for particular task, in this matter leading people to belief that is pure, perceiving knowledge withouth doubt and practicing by what they know and in sincerity.

[Cool]

Salam, 

I don't know why you did such a hard work!! 

Why don't you just try to figireout who these people are whom even Satan cannot misguide:

إِنَّ عِبَادِي لَيْسَ لَكَ عَلَيْهِمْ سُلْطَانٌ إِلاَّ مَنِ اتَّبَعَكَ مِنَ الْغَاوِينَ

15:42 

إِنَّ عِبَادِي لَيْسَ لَكَ عَلَيْهِمْ سُلْطَانٌ وَكَفَى بِرَبِّكَ وَكِيلاً

17:65 

وَمَن يَهْدِ اللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُ مِن مُّضِلٍّ أَلَيْسَ اللَّهُ بِعَزِيزٍ ذِي انتِقَامٍ

39:37

فَاسْتَمْسِكْ بِالَّذِي أُوحِيَ إِلَيْكَ إِنَّكَ عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

43:43

صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا الضَّالِّينَ

1:7

وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

42:52

عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

36:4 

أَفَمَن يَمْشِي مُكِبًّا عَلَى وَجْهِهِ أَهْدَى أَمَّن يَمْشِي سَوِيًّا عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

67:22

وَضَرَبَ اللّهُ مَثَلاً رَّجُلَيْنِ أَحَدُهُمَا أَبْكَمُ لاَ يَقْدِرُ عَلَىَ شَيْءٍ وَهُوَ كَلٌّ عَلَى مَوْلاهُ أَيْنَمَا يُوَجِّههُّ لاَ يَأْتِ بِخَيْرٍ هَلْ يَسْتَوِي هُوَ وَمَن يَأْمُرُ بِالْعَدْلِ وَهُوَ عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

16:76

وَإِذِ ابْتَلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ رَبُّهُ بِكَلِمَاتٍ فَأَتَمَّهُنَّ قَالَ إِنِّي جَاعِلُكَ لِلنَّاسِ إِمَامًا قَالَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِي قَالَ لاَ يَنَالُ عَهْدِي الظَّالِمِينَ

2:124

وَجَاهِدُوا فِي اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِ هُوَ اجْتَبَاكُمْ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ مِنْ حَرَجٍ مِّلَّةَ أَبِيكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمينَ مِن قَبْلُ وَفِي هَذَا لِيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْكُمْ وَتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَوْلَاكُمْ فَنِعْمَ الْمَوْلَى وَنِعْمَ النَّصِيرُ

22:78 

 

كُنتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ أُخْرِجَتْ لِلنَّاسِ تَأْمُرُونَ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَتَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ 

3:110

 

وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِّتَكُونُواْ شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا 

2:143

Conclusion: There exist some who are neither zalimeen, not daalleen, nor are they misguided or deceived by Satan. 

2nd Advise:

God has commanded us whom we should not obey & whom we should obey. 

وَاصْبِرْ نَفْسَكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ رَبَّهُمْ بِالْغَدَاةِ وَالْعَشِيِّ يُرِيدُونَ وَجْهَهُ ۖ وَلَا تَعْدُ عَيْنَاكَ عَنْهُمْ تُرِيدُ زِينَةَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا ۖ وَلَا تُطِعْ مَنْ أَغْفَلْنَا قَلْبَهُ عَنْ ذِكْرِنَا وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاهُ وَكَانَ أَمْرُهُ فُرُطًا 

18:28

وَلَا تُطِيعُوا أَمْرَ الْمُسْرِفِينَ

26:151

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ اتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَلَا تُطِعِ الْكَافِرِينَ وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا

33:1

فَلَا تُطِعِ الْمُكَذِّبِينَ وَدُّوا لَوْ تُدْهِنُ فَيُدْهِنُونَ وَلَا تُطِعْ كُلَّ حَلَّافٍ مَهِينٍ

68:8-10

فَاصْبِرْ لِحُكْمِ رَبِّكَ وَلَا تُطِعْ مِنْهُمْ آثِمًا أَوْ كَفُورًا 

76:24

Now unconditional obedience:

قُلْ أَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ فإِن تَوَلَّوْاْ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُحِبُّ الْكَافِرِينَ

3:32 

قُلْ أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ فَإِن تَوَلَّوا فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْهِ مَا حُمِّلَ وَعَلَيْكُم مَّا حُمِّلْتُمْ وَإِن تُطِيعُوهُ تَهْتَدُوا وَمَا عَلَى الرَّسُولِ إِلَّا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ

25:54

وَأَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ

3:132

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ أَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَأَطِيعُواْ الرَّسُولَ وَأُوْلِي الأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ ذَلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلاً

4:59 

وَأَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَأَطِيعُواْ الرَّسُولَ وَاحْذَرُواْ فَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّمَا عَلَى رَسُولِنَا الْبَلاَغُ الْمُبِينُ

5:92

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ أَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَلاَ تَوَلَّوْا عَنْهُ وَأَنتُمْ تَسْمَعُونَ

8:20

وَأَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَلاَ تَنَازَعُواْ فَتَفْشَلُواْ وَتَذْهَبَ رِيحُكُمْ وَاصْبِرُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الصَّابِرِينَ

8:46

وَلَقَدْ قَالَ لَهُمْ هَارُونُ مِن قَبْلُ يَا قَوْمِ إِنَّمَا فُتِنتُم بِهِ وَإِنَّ رَبَّكُمُ الرَّحْمَنُ فَاتَّبِعُونِي وَأَطِيعُوا أَمْرِي

20:90 

وَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ

24:56

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:108 

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:126 

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:131

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:110 

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:144

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:150, 163, 179

وَلَمَّا جَاء عِيسَى بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالَ قَدْ جِئْتُكُم بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَلِأُبَيِّنَ لَكُم بَعْضَ الَّذِي تَخْتَلِفُونَ فِيهِ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

43:63 

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَلَا تُبْطِلُوا أَعْمَالَكُمْ

47:33 

أَأَشْفَقْتُمْ أَن تُقَدِّمُوا بَيْنَ يَدَيْ نَجْوَاكُمْ صَدَقَاتٍ فَإِذْ لَمْ تَفْعَلُوا وَتَابَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَاللَّهُ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ

58:13

وَأَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ فَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَإِنَّمَا عَلَى رَسُولِنَا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ

64:12 

أَنِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ وَاتَّقُوهُ وَأَطِيعُونِ

71:3

قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ وَاللّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

3:31 

يَا أَبَتِ إِنِّي قَدْ جَاءنِي مِنَ الْعِلْمِ مَا لَمْ يَأْتِكَ فَاتَّبِعْنِي أَهْدِكَ صِرَاطًا سَوِيًّا

19:43

Conclusion: Prophets and Imams are the guided ones & made guides by Allah. They are protected ones (Ma'sumeen) as well, this is the reason we have been commanded to follow them. If these people are deceived by Satan, after being guided by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), then the guidance of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) would be considered as faulty (na'uzobillah).

[Cool]

18 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

yet again we can not say that all those who follow guidance of Allah never ever go astray in any way, like Allah.

Have you seen Him doing things which are always right? 

You're just telling us the mistake of Allah that He has appointed guides without being guided them properly. 

You're telling us that a creation of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is so powerful (Satan) that he can misguide anyone, even those who are guided by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

How have made your God da'eef (na'uzobillah).

So as per you logic, since Allah is upon Sirat e Mustaqeem: 

 إِنَّ رَبِّي عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

11:56

Therefore no one can be upon Sirat like Him. 

إِنَّكَ لَمِنَ الْمُرْسَلِينَ {36:3

عَلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ {36:4

 

[Abu Nur]

I never follow a man who claim something while he errs, it will only cause doubts. Such a man is impossible from God to choose. That's why Prophets must all be infallibles not just by sending the message of God but also infallible in Knowledge and actions. 

[Guest Psychological Warfare]

 

“Only Allah is your wali and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor rate while they bow”. (5:55)

“O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those in authority from among you.” (Qur’an, Surah Nisa 4:59)

I am leaving among you the Two Weighty Things: the Book of Allah and my `Itrat (Progeny), my Ahlul Bayt. So long as you (simultaneously) uphold both of them, you will never be misled after me; so, do not go ahead of them else you should perish, and do not lag behind them else you should perish; do not teach them, for they are more knowledgeable than you.1

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From your perspective, "THEY" are more Knowledgeable than you. Follow and Obey. Case Closed. 

[Allah Seeker]

On 10/3/2020 at 9:57 PM, Abu Nur said:

An infallible (Arabic: معصوم‎ ma`sūm) is someone who is free from error in leading people to belief, in perceiving divine knowledge, and in practical matters. 

Means that he is protected, thus for such a person they are free from error (as long God wish) for particular task, in this matter leading people to belief that is pure, perceiving knowledge withouth doubt and practicing by what they know and in sincerity.

Kindly revise the meaning of the word maasoum. 

The seems to be no word for infallible in Arabic

 

[Allah Seeker]

On 10/4/2020 at 2:23 PM, Cool said:

Salam, 

I don't know why you did such a hard work!! 

Why don't you just try to figireout who these people are whom even Satan cannot misguide:

إِنَّ عِبَادِي لَيْسَ لَكَ عَلَيْهِمْ سُلْطَانٌ إِلاَّ مَنِ اتَّبَعَكَ مِنَ الْغَاوِينَ

15:42 

إِنَّ عِبَادِي لَيْسَ لَكَ عَلَيْهِمْ سُلْطَانٌ وَكَفَى بِرَبِّكَ وَكِيلاً

17:65 

وَمَن يَهْدِ اللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُ مِن مُّضِلٍّ أَلَيْسَ اللَّهُ بِعَزِيزٍ ذِي انتِقَامٍ

39:37

فَاسْتَمْسِكْ بِالَّذِي أُوحِيَ إِلَيْكَ إِنَّكَ عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

43:43

صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا الضَّالِّينَ

1:7

وَإِنَّكَ لَتَهْدِي إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

42:52

عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

36:4 

أَفَمَن يَمْشِي مُكِبًّا عَلَى وَجْهِهِ أَهْدَى أَمَّن يَمْشِي سَوِيًّا عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

67:22

وَضَرَبَ اللّهُ مَثَلاً رَّجُلَيْنِ أَحَدُهُمَا أَبْكَمُ لاَ يَقْدِرُ عَلَىَ شَيْءٍ وَهُوَ كَلٌّ عَلَى مَوْلاهُ أَيْنَمَا يُوَجِّههُّ لاَ يَأْتِ بِخَيْرٍ هَلْ يَسْتَوِي هُوَ وَمَن يَأْمُرُ بِالْعَدْلِ وَهُوَ عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

16:76

وَإِذِ ابْتَلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ رَبُّهُ بِكَلِمَاتٍ فَأَتَمَّهُنَّ قَالَ إِنِّي جَاعِلُكَ لِلنَّاسِ إِمَامًا قَالَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِي قَالَ لاَ يَنَالُ عَهْدِي الظَّالِمِينَ

2:124

وَجَاهِدُوا فِي اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِ هُوَ اجْتَبَاكُمْ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ مِنْ حَرَجٍ مِّلَّةَ أَبِيكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمينَ مِن قَبْلُ وَفِي هَذَا لِيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْكُمْ وَتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَوْلَاكُمْ فَنِعْمَ الْمَوْلَى وَنِعْمَ النَّصِيرُ

22:78 

 

كُنتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ أُخْرِجَتْ لِلنَّاسِ تَأْمُرُونَ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَتَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ 

3:110

 

وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِّتَكُونُواْ شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا 

2:143

Conclusion: There exist some who are neither zalimeen, not daalleen, nor are they misguided or deceived by Satan. 

2nd Advise:

God has commanded us whom we should not obey & whom we should obey. 

وَاصْبِرْ نَفْسَكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ رَبَّهُمْ بِالْغَدَاةِ وَالْعَشِيِّ يُرِيدُونَ وَجْهَهُ ۖ وَلَا تَعْدُ عَيْنَاكَ عَنْهُمْ تُرِيدُ زِينَةَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا ۖ وَلَا تُطِعْ مَنْ أَغْفَلْنَا قَلْبَهُ عَنْ ذِكْرِنَا وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاهُ وَكَانَ أَمْرُهُ فُرُطًا 

18:28

وَلَا تُطِيعُوا أَمْرَ الْمُسْرِفِينَ

26:151

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ اتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَلَا تُطِعِ الْكَافِرِينَ وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا

33:1

فَلَا تُطِعِ الْمُكَذِّبِينَ وَدُّوا لَوْ تُدْهِنُ فَيُدْهِنُونَ وَلَا تُطِعْ كُلَّ حَلَّافٍ مَهِينٍ

68:8-10

فَاصْبِرْ لِحُكْمِ رَبِّكَ وَلَا تُطِعْ مِنْهُمْ آثِمًا أَوْ كَفُورًا 

76:24

Now unconditional obedience:

قُلْ أَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ فإِن تَوَلَّوْاْ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُحِبُّ الْكَافِرِينَ

3:32 

قُلْ أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ فَإِن تَوَلَّوا فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْهِ مَا حُمِّلَ وَعَلَيْكُم مَّا حُمِّلْتُمْ وَإِن تُطِيعُوهُ تَهْتَدُوا وَمَا عَلَى الرَّسُولِ إِلَّا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ

25:54

وَأَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ

3:132

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ أَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَأَطِيعُواْ الرَّسُولَ وَأُوْلِي الأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ ذَلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلاً

4:59 

وَأَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَأَطِيعُواْ الرَّسُولَ وَاحْذَرُواْ فَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّمَا عَلَى رَسُولِنَا الْبَلاَغُ الْمُبِينُ

5:92

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ أَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَلاَ تَوَلَّوْا عَنْهُ وَأَنتُمْ تَسْمَعُونَ

8:20

وَأَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَلاَ تَنَازَعُواْ فَتَفْشَلُواْ وَتَذْهَبَ رِيحُكُمْ وَاصْبِرُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الصَّابِرِينَ

8:46

وَلَقَدْ قَالَ لَهُمْ هَارُونُ مِن قَبْلُ يَا قَوْمِ إِنَّمَا فُتِنتُم بِهِ وَإِنَّ رَبَّكُمُ الرَّحْمَنُ فَاتَّبِعُونِي وَأَطِيعُوا أَمْرِي

20:90 

وَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ

24:56

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:108 

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:126 

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:131

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:110 

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:144

فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

26:150, 163, 179

وَلَمَّا جَاء عِيسَى بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالَ قَدْ جِئْتُكُم بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَلِأُبَيِّنَ لَكُم بَعْضَ الَّذِي تَخْتَلِفُونَ فِيهِ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ

43:63 

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَلَا تُبْطِلُوا أَعْمَالَكُمْ

47:33 

أَأَشْفَقْتُمْ أَن تُقَدِّمُوا بَيْنَ يَدَيْ نَجْوَاكُمْ صَدَقَاتٍ فَإِذْ لَمْ تَفْعَلُوا وَتَابَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَاللَّهُ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ

58:13

وَأَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ فَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَإِنَّمَا عَلَى رَسُولِنَا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ

64:12 

أَنِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ وَاتَّقُوهُ وَأَطِيعُونِ

71:3

قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ وَاللّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

3:31 

يَا أَبَتِ إِنِّي قَدْ جَاءنِي مِنَ الْعِلْمِ مَا لَمْ يَأْتِكَ فَاتَّبِعْنِي أَهْدِكَ صِرَاطًا سَوِيًّا

19:43

Conclusion: Prophets and Imams are the guided ones & made guides by Allah. They are protected ones (Ma'sumeen) as well, this is the reason we have been commanded to follow them. If these people are deceived by Satan, after being guided by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), then the guidance of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) would be considered as faulty (na'uzobillah).

Thanks brother but none of the verses you posted clearly say that they are protected from committing any mistakes. Especially that the verses I posted clearly show mistakes in the clearest Arabic possible, as well as just logic. Disobeying God, for instance. Doing harm, forgetting, as you can see the words like zulm, su', etc are as clear as can get. 

[Allah Seeker]

On 10/5/2020 at 3:48 AM, Abu Nur said:

I never follow a man who claim something while he errs, it will only cause doubts. Such a man is impossible from God to choose. That's why Prophets must all be infallibles not just by sending the message of God but also infallible in Knowledge and actions. 

Everything is possible for Allah. All your scholars err even according to you, and you follow them. Everything you know is through these men, as you most likely haven't even met anyone from those you consider never to have done a mistake. 

[Allah Seeker]

On 10/5/2020 at 4:37 AM, Guest Psychological Warfare said:

 

“Only Allah is your wali and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor rate while they bow”. (5:55)

“O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those in authority from among you.” (Qur’an, Surah Nisa 4:59)

I am leaving among you the Two Weighty Things: the Book of Allah and my `Itrat (Progeny), my Ahlul Bayt. So long as you (simultaneously) uphold both of them, you will never be misled after me; so, do not go ahead of them else you should perish, and do not lag behind them else you should perish; do not teach them, for they are more knowledgeable than you.1

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From your perspective, "THEY" are more Knowledgeable than you. Follow and Obey. Case Closed. 

God alone knows who is more knowledgeable in what.

What you posted doesn't prove it wrong for instance that Adam trusting Iblis after Allah telling him not to, was a mistake. 

[Allah Seeker]

I would like to say my purpose of this argument and debate in specific. 

It is not to defame or slander the men I love the most. My role models and the passion of my heart. My true loves and my life and soul. Each prophet and saint are my most respected creatures, and I follow their ways as much as I can and seek to adopt ALL of their lessons and learn from their important work. I look forward to meeting them some lovely day and kiss and hug them so much, and laugh and smile, and spend great time together. That is my hope and may my life be sacrificed for their godly causes in a way that would make them proud ya Rabb ya Mujeeb. 

My purpose here is to fight what I see as a lie that has spread among most groups of Islam. The lie led to what I see as raising certain individuals to godly status. 

The very fallible scholars of this age have taught their students all they know about Islam, and then indirectly act as though their teachings are infallible, by claiming the source of their books are infallible. But all the transmitters, interpreters, and Arabic experts are fallible. So the way I see it is that this has led to a situation where the scholars get worshipped somehow as well (of course  indirectly without people being aware of it) . 

Then the next step is that the scholars teach their students to pray to those supposedly infallible creatures who also are attributed to having ability to read what is in people's hearts everywhere, and know everything and be everywhere. Praying to others than Allah is the definition of pure polytheism in my opinion. 

The root of the problem among the Shia Ummah praying and focusing on human saints instead of Allah, is rooted - I believe - in the belief that those individuals are infallible. That already creates a schism between them and the saints, taking away the saints humanity. 

They are humans just like us, and have the same struggles and downfalls, but they are higher in degrees than others. 

At the same time this belief of infallibility opens up gates to normalizing and befriending Satan and disobeying Allah, to say the least. (by saying for instance that what our grandfather Adam did that day, was OK) 

Finally, I would like to say that it is clearly written in the Quran that if we repent, God will trade our sins for blessings. So one can say that prophets and saints are martyred in a sinless state, as they have been cleaned and purified before that, but one can not say they never did a sin. They did su' / say'at (Arabic for sin / sins ), but Allah exchanged them at some point for hassanaat (opposite of a sin, like a plus - point) 

In the case of Adam (عليه السلام), the sin in paradise that we all know about was forgiven after he did his first Hajj, and his wife became halal to him. 

So the point of our religion is this:

Follow the sunnah of these men, who taught us and guided us into the way of how to attain God's forgiveness, so He can cleanse us of our sins, in the same way it is clearly documented they were cleansed - so they passed away as high ranking Muslim. 

[Guest Psychological Warfare]

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God alone knows who is more knowledgeable in what.

Just as an FYI: 

If above is your answer to the Hadith al-Thaqalayn ( The Hadith of the two Weighty things).

May be you will give the same answer to the Directive of the Al- Qaim, Sahib Az- Zman, Hajjah of Allah(عزّ وجلّ) the Imam of the time, Al- Mahdi(عليه السلام). 

That in the nutshell is the issue at hand under the cloak of fallibility. 

[Abu Nur]

5 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

Everything is possible for Allah. All your scholars err even according to you, and you follow them. Everything you know is through these men, as you most likely haven't even met anyone from those you consider never to have done a mistake. 

Faulty thinking as usual.

[Allah Seeker]

15 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Faulty thinking as usual.

Quite an arrogant thing to say, with zero substance... 

[Abu Nur]

24 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

Quite an arrogant thing to say, with zero substance... 

It is simple. I was referring to Imams (عليه السلام) and Prophets (عليه السلام) and you go apply the same method to all fallible people, which is faulty. Because the basic principles in religion is that you can only obey Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), Prophet and Imams (عليه السلام). As for others it does not apply. 

[Cool]

10 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

Thanks brother but none of the verses you posted clearly say that they are protected from committing any mistakes.

We have a disagreement here and I guess we cannot solve it as long as you are continue to hold your views reflected in your OP. 

Anyway, sufficient is the verse of Al-Fatiha:

صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنعَمتَ عَلَيهِمْ غَيرِ المَغضُوبِ عَلَيهِمْ وَلاَ الضَّالِّينَ

1:7

There exist the "Sirat" and there exist "some" who are neither become maghthoob anywhere in their lives nor are they from the daalleen. 

[Allah Seeker]

5 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

It is simple. I was referring to Imams (عليه السلام) and Prophets (عليه السلام) and you go apply the same method to all fallible people, which is faulty. Because the basic principles in religion is that you can only obey Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), Prophet and Imams (عليه السلام). As for others it does not apply. 

You mean obey what others say about them, and whatever you chose to believe is true? Have you even met or heard anyone of them speak to obey them? Or you obey what your scholars say they said? 

[Allah Seeker]

8 hours ago, Guest Psychological Warfare said:

Just as an FYI: 

If above is your answer to the Hadith al-Thaqalayn ( The Hadith of the two Weighty things).

May be you will give the same answer to the Directive of the Al- Qaim, Sahib Az- Zman, Hajjah of Allah(عزّ وجلّ) the Imam of the time, Al- Mahdi(عليه السلام). 

That in the nutshell is the issue at hand under the cloak of fallibility. 

I think when the Imam comes he will definitely rule by the Quran and the tradition of his ancestors, which never said starlight out that any creature was infallible. 

Imam Mahdi will in my opinion go against the normalization of befriending and obeying shaytan against the command of Allah. He will be against praying to others than Allah too, so the scholars of today - most of them - are in for quite a ride, unless they are willing to change. I see this as the end game in all religions actually, that are full of corruption. I think we can all agree that your scholars, your beliefs, your traditions and understanding of the prophets and imams is full of mistakes? 

[Allah Seeker]

On 10/4/2020 at 2:47 PM, Cool said:

Have you seen Him doing things which are always right? 

You're just telling us the mistake of Allah that He has appointed guides without being guided them properly. 

You're telling us that a creation of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is so powerful (Satan) that he can misguide anyone, even those who are guided by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

How have made your God da'eef (na'uzobillah).

So as per you logic, since Allah is upon Sirat e Mustaqeem: 

 إِنَّ رَبِّي عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ

11:56

Therefore no one can be upon Sirat like Him. 

إِنَّكَ لَمِنَ الْمُرْسَلِينَ {36:3

عَلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ {36:4

 

By the way I am not saying what you claim at all. 

Allah is beyond even right or wrong, but whatever He made or does, it is always right, as we must accept it as flawless. If we disagree with it, then that is a form of kufr. 

I am saying that Adam obeyed Satan for instance against the order of God. That is wrong, and hence he repented and was forgiven. 

You made mistakes today. Does that make God dhaeef? What's the difference? Nothing in essence. I made a mistake too, and need God's forgiveness too today. 

Why would mistakes of humans allow us to judge God's strength? Prophets and imams are humans aren't they? Just like we are human creatures. 

Allah is beyond anything you can imagine or judge except in a positive, accepting, approving, agreeing, way. Adam and any other creature can be judged according to the Quran. Obeying Satan and disobeying Allah is wrong. Doing zulm is wrong. And those who twist the word zulm have nothing to stand on. Trust me, I did the reaearch that is shown above.

[Cool]

Just now, Allah Seeker said:

By the way I am not saying what you claim at all. 

I am not a claimant here. The Burhan & the Furqan is Quran itself. 

 انما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس اهل البيت 

33:33 is mentioned there and you are saying none is protected. 

It is mentioned in Quran that satan cannot misguide some, you are showing us how he has misguided everyone, and you are trying to do that through Quran by using/misinterpreting its verses. 

So it is upto you to deal with the contradictions appeared by your logic. 

[Cool]

9 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

am saying that Adam obeyed Satan for instance against the order of God. That is wrong, and hence he repented and was forgiven

Forgiveness of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) & His mercy are the in'am.

Adam's disobedience was not in the capacity of Khalifatullah. 

ثُمَّ اجْتَبَاهُ رَبُّهُ فَتَابَ عَلَيْهِ وَهَدَى

20:122

[Allah Seeker]

4 minutes ago, Cool said:

I am not a claimant here. The Burhan & the Furqan is Quran itself. 

 انما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس اهل البيت 

33:33 is mentioned there and you are saying none is protected. 

It is mentioned in Quran that satan cannot misguide some, you are showing us how he has misguided everyone, and you are trying to do that through Quran by using/misinterpreting its verses. 

So it is upto you to deal with the contradictions appeared by your logic. 

I see it that you are the one misinterpreting. 

There is no absolute mention of anything here. The verse 33:33 actually proves that they had impurities, because how can you purify something that is perfectly pure? 

Also the verse doesn't say min 'kul' rijs. It says tahirakum tatheera. Where is the proof that tatheera is equivalent of tatheera kamla? 

And Allah says the shaytan can not touch us unless we obey shaytan first. Yes! But as we can see, Prophets and imams suffered much misfortune and were literally harmed and affected by shayteen. Plus the verse didn't say that "those that follow Allah - like the prophets and their imams do every time without exception - shall be safe from shaytan" 

You are using general terms and general verses, to justify normalizing befriending shaytan described in specific verses.

[Allah Seeker]

11 minutes ago, Cool said:

Forgiveness of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) & His mercy are the in'am.

Adam's disobedience was not in the capacity of Khalifatullah. 

ثُمَّ اجْتَبَاهُ رَبُّهُ فَتَابَ عَلَيْهِ وَهَدَى

20:122

It doesnt matter. The theory of most Shia is that prophets and Imams never did a mistake ever. Once you say one of them did a mistake, the theory of infallibility falls apart. 

And once you at least admit that Adam made at least one mistake, and there is no proof for his later life being flawless, then we can move on to other clear hadiths of other prophets and analyze them in Arabic step by step in baby language, so anybody here can follow and do the research themself. 

[Guest Psychological Warfare]

The fact remains, that if an entity holds a view that ALL Messengers, and Imans are fallible. 

Like in the past, Muhammad al-Mustafa (peace be upon him and his pure progeny) was questioned and decision challenged. (among others.. Tragedy of Thursday). The Imams(عليه السلام) were challenged.

The Imam of the Time, Imam Al- Mahdi(عليه السلام) will be challenged by these entities holding the view of their fallibility. 

The reason for the propagation of such thoughts were/is/will be the same. Deny Divine leadership. 

[Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi]

As far as i've heard from scholars, they say that verses of The Book if Allah are subject to both, Tafseer and Taweel. Plus there would be sufficient evidence in hadeeth that explains the meaning of these verses.

Anyways, seems like an interesting topic. Will look for all of these verses in Tafaseer e Ahlebait (عليه السلام)

[Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi]

4 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

There is no absolute mention of anything here. The verse 33:33 actually proves that they had impurities, because how can you purify something that is perfectly pure? 

I remember a verse from Quran that ordered Ibrahim and Ismail to clean the house of Allah. Would that also refer to House of Allah being Najis and unclean before they cleaned it?

Edited April 24, 2021 by Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

[Cool]

4 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

The theory of most Shia is that prophets and Imams never did a mistake ever. Once you say one of them did a mistake, the theory of infallibility falls apart. 

What falls apart is clearly visible brother. 

You are using the words of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to prove that His chosen ones, guided ones were zalimeen, aathimeen, ghaween, ghafileen etc. 

نعوذ بالله من ذالك

16 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

Disobeying God, for instance. Doing harm, forgetting, as you can see the words like zulm, su', etc are as clear as can get. 

Your claim is that everyone except God is fallible, none is protected.

This claim is contradicting the Quran which do introduce some personalities which are protected, Satan cannot misguide them. Quran do introduces personalities who are the misdaq of غير المغضوب،  ولاالضالين. 

If these personalities are not the Prophets & Imams, who are they? Please mind explaining.

[Allah Seeker]

16 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

I remember a verse from Quran that ordered Ibrahim and Ismail to clean the house of Allah. Would that also refer to House of Allah being Najis and unclean before they cleaned it?

Definitely the house on earth like the one today needs cleaning wouldnt you say? The house that they built isn't really Allah's house. It is a creature like all creatures that symbolizes house of Allah, like all houses of worship. 

But I like your point and analogy. Good point! Thanks 

[Allah Seeker]

21 minutes ago, Cool said:

What falls apart is clearly visible brother. 

You are using the words of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to prove that His chosen ones, guided ones were zalimeen, aathimeen, ghaween, ghafileen etc. 

نعوذ بالله من ذالك

Your claim is that everyone except God is fallible, none is protected.

This claim is contradicting the Quran which do introduce some personalities which are protected, Satan cannot misguide them. Quran do introduces personalities who are the misdaq of غير المغضوب،  ولاالضالين. 

If these personalities are not the Prophets & Imams, who are they? Please mind explaining.

Allah says these things about the prophets, not me. 

What is clear to me is that everyone is protected to a certain extent, in certain ranks. And the word protected in itself is vague and meaningless. 

You are the best nation produced for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong 3:110

You see if we take things the way you do, then all the nation always without exception enjoins right and forbids wrong?

Just because Allah says someone is good, doesn't mean they have absolutely no bad. If we are Muslim, we can still do mistakes. 

[Abu Nur]

5 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

You mean obey what others say about them, and whatever you chose to believe is true? Have you even met or heard anyone of them speak to obey them? Or you obey what your scholars say they said? 

It means you found out what the prophet and imams and Quran says and obey it.

Edited April 24, 2021 by Abu Nur

[Allah Seeker]

26 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

It means you found out what the prophet and imams and Quran says and obey it.

How do you know that what you find out through very fallible scholars is true?

If you read the actual books you won't find anything supporting what I see as a big lie. 

[Ansar Shiat Ali]

Salam brother! I would recommend a book called Muraja'at fe I'smat al Anbiya/مراجعات في عصمة الانبياء. 

Remember, every sin is a mistake but every mistake is not a sin.

[Cool]

51 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

Allah says these things about the prophets, not me

So Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is making contradicting statements? Or is there any problem in your understanding? This is the key question for you to begin with.

53 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

You are the best nation produced for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong 3:110

You see if we take things the way you do, then all the nation always without exception enjoins right and forbids wrong?

Khayra Ummatin is not the whole muslim nation. Again, understand there exist ummah within ummah. 

Examples:

 

وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِّتَكُونُواْ شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا 

2:143

وَلْتَكُن مِّنكُمْ أُمَّةٌ يَدْعُونَ إِلَى الْخَيْرِ وَيَأْمُرُونَ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ وَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ

3:104

وَمِمَّنْ خَلَقْنَا أُمَّةٌ يَهْدُونَ بِالْحَقِّ وَبِهِ يَعْدِلُونَ

7:181

وَيَوْمَ نَبْعَثُ فِي كُلِّ أُمَّةٍ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْهِم مِّنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَجِئْنَا بِكَ شَهِيدًا عَلَى هَـؤُلاء وَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ تِبْيَانًا لِّكُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَهُدًى وَرَحْمَةً وَبُشْرَى لِلْمُسْلِمِينَ

16:89

 

[Allah Seeker]

29 minutes ago, Ansar Shiat Ali said:

Salam brother! I would recommend a book called Muraja'at fe I'smat al Anbiya/مراجعات في عصمة الانبياء. 

Remember, every sin is a mistake but every mistake is not a sin.

Thanks brother for the recommendation, 

I don't see that there is a category where mistake is not a sin, according to Islamic texts. The word zulm for instance is clearly defined as crossing the limits of Allah. Also other words like su' are clearly shown. 

A mistake I think are actions that also require the forgiveness of Allah. 

Thanks 

[Allah Seeker]

10 minutes ago, Cool said:

So Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is making contradicting statements? Or is there any problem in your understanding? This is the key question for you to begin with.

Khayra Ummatin is not the whole muslim nation. Again, understand there exist ummah within ummah. 

Examples:

 

وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِّتَكُونُواْ شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا 

2:143

وَلْتَكُن مِّنكُمْ أُمَّةٌ يَدْعُونَ إِلَى الْخَيْرِ وَيَأْمُرُونَ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ وَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ

3:104

وَمِمَّنْ خَلَقْنَا أُمَّةٌ يَهْدُونَ بِالْحَقِّ وَبِهِ يَعْدِلُونَ

7:181

وَيَوْمَ نَبْعَثُ فِي كُلِّ أُمَّةٍ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْهِم مِّنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَجِئْنَا بِكَ شَهِيدًا عَلَى هَـؤُلاء وَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ تِبْيَانًا لِّكُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَهُدًى وَرَحْمَةً وَبُشْرَى لِلْمُسْلِمِينَ

16:89

 

It is not a contradiction. It is just that of God says somebody does good, it doesn't mean that it is absolute. 

Just like we have tons of instances showing the human shortcomings of prophets in the Quran. 

It would contradicting to say that saying someone is Muslim for instance, while saying everything they do is an act of Islam. 

There is no single verse saying that anybody is infallible directly. So for you khaira ummah is the infallibles only? And you take that verse as proof that khayra nation is infallible?