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Raising Hands at Every Takbir - Rafa e Dein (Specifically in Prostrations) - Do we have narrations?

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I saw some sunni narrations apparently graded as weak.

It was narrated that ‘Umair bin Habib said:
“The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to raise his hands at every Takbir (saying Allahu Akbar) in the obligatory prayer.”
حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامُ بْنُ عَمَّارٍ، حَدَّثَنَا رِفْدَةُ بْنُ قُضَاعَةَ الْغَسَّانِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا الأَوْزَاعِيُّ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُبَيْدِ بْنِ عُمَيْرٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ جَدِّهِ، عُمَيْرِ بْنِ حَبِيبٍ قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ يَرْفَعُ يَدَيْهِ مَعَ كُلِّ تَكْبِيرَةٍ فِي الصَّلاَةِ الْمَكْتُوبَةِ ‏.‏
Grade    : Da’if (Darussalam)        
English reference     : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 861
Arabic reference     : Book 5, Hadith 910

It was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbas that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to raise his hands at every Takbir (saying Allahu Akbar).
حَدَّثَنَا أَيُّوبُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ الْهَاشِمِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ رِيَاحٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ طَاوُسٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ كَانَ يَرْفَعُ يَدَيْهِ عِنْدَ كُلِّ تَكْبِيرَةٍ ‏.‏
Grade    : Da’if (Darussalam)        
English reference     : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 865
Arabic reference     : Book 5, Hadith 914

It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said:
“I saw the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) raising his hands during prayer until they were parallel with his shoulders when he started to pray, when he bowed and when he prostrated.”
حَدَّثَنَا عُثْمَانُ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَهِشَامُ بْنُ عَمَّارٍ، قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ عَيَّاشٍ، عَنْ صَالِحِ بْنِ كَيْسَانَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ الأَعْرَجِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ رَأَيْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ يَرْفَعُ يَدَيْهِ فِي الصَّلاَةِ حَذْوَ مَنْكِبَيْهِ حِينَ يَفْتَتِحُ الصَّلاَةَ وَحِينَ يَرْكَعُ وَحِينَ يَسْجُدُ ‏.‏
Grade    : Da’if (Darussalam)        
English reference     : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 860
Arabic reference     : Book 5, Hadith 909

No idea, if anyone of these narrations is at least Good or not.

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Salam,

وبما رواه معاوية بن عمار في الصحيح قال: رأيت أبا عبد الله - عليه السلام - يرفع يديه إذا ركع، وإذا رفع رأسه من الركوع، وإذا سجد وإذا رفع رأسه من السجود، وإذا أراد يسجد الثانية

http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/95_مختلف-الشيعة-العلامة-الحلي-ج-٢/الصفحة_171

And what Mu'awiya bin 'Amar authentically narrated, he said: I saw Aba 'Abd Allah, peace be upon him, raising his hands when he did ruku' and when he raised his head from ruku', and when he prostrated and when he raised his head from prostration and when he wanted to prostrated the second (time)

Tahdhib al-Ahkam, v.2 p.85

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22 minutes ago, Ali_Hussain said:

Salam,

وبما رواه معاوية بن عمار في الصحيح قال: رأيت أبا عبد الله - عليه السلام - يرفع يديه إذا ركع، وإذا رفع رأسه من الركوع، وإذا سجد وإذا رفع رأسه من السجود، وإذا أراد يسجد الثانية

http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/95_مختلف-الشيعة-العلامة-الحلي-ج-٢/الصفحة_171

And what Mu'awiya bin 'Amar authentically narrated, he said: I saw Aba 'Abd Allah, peace be upon him, raising his hands when he did ruku' and when he raised his head from ruku', and when he prostrated and when he raised his head from prostration and when he wanted to prostrated the second (time)

Tahdhib al-Ahkam, v.2 p.85

عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ سَمُرَةَ، قَالَ خَرَجَ عَلَيْنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ‏ مَا لِي أَرَاكُمْ رَافِعِي أَيْدِيكُمْ كَأَنَّهَا أَذْنَابُ خَيْلٍ شُمْسٍ اسْكُنُوا فِي الصَّلاَةِ

Jabir b. Samura reported:

The Messenger of Allah  came to us and said: "How is it that I see you lifting your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? Be calm in prayer." (Sahih Muslim)

عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ سَمُرَةَ، قَالَ خَرَجَ عَلَيْنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَنَحْنُ رَافِعُو أَيْدِينَا فِي الصَّلاَةِ فَقَالَ ‏‏ مَا بَالُهُمْ رَافِعِينَ أَيْدِيَهُمْ فِي الصَّلاَةِ كَأَنَّهَا أَذْنَابُ الْخَيْلِ الشُّمُسِ اسْكُنُوا فِي الصَّلاَةِ

It was narrated that Jabir bin Samurah said:

"The Messenger of Allah  came out to us and we were raising our hands during the Salah. He said: 'Why are you raising your hands while praying, like the tails of wild horses? Stay still when you are praying.'" (Sunan an-Nasa’i)

This constant raising of the hands throughout the Salat is a huge distraction, and it is an example of عمل كثير that in our Madhhab invalidates the Salat. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم likened it to the tail wagging up and down of a rebellious horse. Sukun (tranquility, calmness) is essential in the Salat.

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7 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ سَمُرَةَ، قَالَ خَرَجَ عَلَيْنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ‏ مَا لِي أَرَاكُمْ رَافِعِي أَيْدِيكُمْ كَأَنَّهَا أَذْنَابُ خَيْلٍ شُمْسٍ اسْكُنُوا فِي الصَّلاَةِ

Jabir b. Samura reported:

The Messenger of Allah  came to us and said: "How is it that I see you lifting your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? Be calm in prayer." (Sahih Muslim)

عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ سَمُرَةَ، قَالَ خَرَجَ عَلَيْنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَنَحْنُ رَافِعُو أَيْدِينَا فِي الصَّلاَةِ فَقَالَ ‏‏ مَا بَالُهُمْ رَافِعِينَ أَيْدِيَهُمْ فِي الصَّلاَةِ كَأَنَّهَا أَذْنَابُ الْخَيْلِ الشُّمُسِ اسْكُنُوا فِي الصَّلاَةِ

It was narrated that Jabir bin Samurah said:

"The Messenger of Allah  came out to us and we were raising our hands during the Salah. He said: 'Why are you raising your hands while praying, like the tails of wild horses? Stay still when you are praying.'" (Sunan an-Nasa’i)

This constant raising of the hands throughout the Salat is a huge distraction, and it is an example of عمل كثير that in our Madhhab invalidates the Salat. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم likened it to the tail wagging up and down of a rebellious horse. Sukun (tranquility, calmness) is essential in the Salat.

 

https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/360367/details-about-raising-hands-in-prayer

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12 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

Sukun (tranquility, calmness) is essential in the Salat.

Ooops! Is that why we change our posture every 20 seconds or so? Stand, bend, prostrate, sit, prostrate, stand ......

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Ooops! Is that why we change our posture every 20 seconds or so? Stand, bend, prostrate, sit, prostrate, stand ......

All of these are essential components of the Salat, without which it is null and void. They are all mentioned in the Quran too.

As for raf al-yadain, where is it mentioned in the Quran?

Secondly, do you claim a Salat is null and void if one does not perform raf al-yadain (before bowing, rising from bowing, before prostrating, rising from prostration, and so forth)?

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8 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

All of these are essential components of the Salat, without which it is null and void. They are all mentioned in the Quran too.

I never said they weren't. But this goes against your argument that physical calmness is essential in Salat.

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25 minutes ago, starlight said:

I never said they weren't. But this goes against your argument that physical calmness is essential in Salat.

Salat is defined and composed of the postures you listed. The dispute is therefore whether the manner in which you make raf al-yadain is one of the postures that compose the Salat. Do you agree that raf al-yadain is not an essential component of the Salat? If you don't agree, doesn't that mean Salat would be invalidated without performing raf al-yadain?

According to the Hadith of sayyidina Jabir bin Samurah رضى الله عنه, the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم declared the repeated act of raf al-yadain in the Salat to be contrary to the tranquility and calmness that is essential to the Salat, and he compared it to the wagging of the tail of a rebellious, wild horse.

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The Raf' Al Yadayn is actually mustahab, not Wajib. When you finish your words in prayer, than the prayer is done. Raf' Al Yadayn is Mustahab just like Tasbeeh al Zahra (عليه السلام).

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37 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

Do you agree that raf al-yadain is not an essential component of the Salat? If you don't agree, doesn't that mean Salat would be invalidated without performing raf al-yadain?

I haven't said it's essential.

If you want to have a discussion you should stayed focused and not go all over the place the minute someone points out how lame your arguments are, in this case the essentiality of physical calmness for Salat. Where is phsyical calmness in the obligatory physical acts that you were referring to?

Hadith from Sahah e sitta mean nothing to me. 

My advice to you, think before you present an argument. Quality is preferable over quantity

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Ruling 941. When saying takbīrat al-iḥrām of the prayer and the takbīrs during the prayer, it is recommended for one to raise his hands up to his ears.

https://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2220/

5 hours ago, starlight said:

Hadith from Sahah e sitta mean nothing to me. 

If it goes against the actions of Prophet (s) and the imams (عليه السلام), yes, it can be thrown against the wall, as ordered by the Prophet (s) himself. 

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10 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ سَمُرَةَ، قَالَ خَرَجَ عَلَيْنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ‏ مَا لِي أَرَاكُمْ رَافِعِي أَيْدِيكُمْ كَأَنَّهَا أَذْنَابُ خَيْلٍ شُمْسٍ اسْكُنُوا فِي الصَّلاَةِ

Jabir b. Samura reported:

The Messenger of Allah  came to us and said: "How is it that I see you lifting your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? Be calm in prayer." (Sahih Muslim)

عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ سَمُرَةَ، قَالَ خَرَجَ عَلَيْنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَنَحْنُ رَافِعُو أَيْدِينَا فِي الصَّلاَةِ فَقَالَ ‏‏ مَا بَالُهُمْ رَافِعِينَ أَيْدِيَهُمْ فِي الصَّلاَةِ كَأَنَّهَا أَذْنَابُ الْخَيْلِ الشُّمُسِ اسْكُنُوا فِي الصَّلاَةِ

It was narrated that Jabir bin Samurah said:

"The Messenger of Allah  came out to us and we were raising our hands during the Salah. He said: 'Why are you raising your hands while praying, like the tails of wild horses? Stay still when you are praying.'" (Sunan an-Nasa’i)

This constant raising of the hands throughout the Salat is a huge distraction, and it is an example of عمل كثير that in our Madhhab invalidates the Salat. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم likened it to the tail wagging up and down of a rebellious horse. Sukun (tranquility, calmness) is essential in the Salat.

Salim reported on the authority of his father (Ibn ‘Umar):
I saw the Messenger of Allah(ﷺ) that when he began prayer, he used to raise his hands opposite his shoulders, and he did so when he bowed, and raised his head after bowing. Sufyan(a narrator) once said: “When he raised his head:; and after he used to say: “When he raised his head after bowing. He would not raise (his hands) between the two prostrations."
حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ حَنْبَلٍ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، عَنْ سَالِمٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ رَأَيْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِذَا اسْتَفْتَحَ الصَّلاَةَ رَفَعَ يَدَيْهِ حَتَّى يُحَاذِيَ مَنْكِبَيْهِ وَإِذَا أَرَادَ أَنْ يَرْكَعَ وَبَعْدَ مَا يَرْفَعُ رَأْسَهُ مِنَ الرُّكُوعِ - وَقَالَ سُفْيَانُ مَرَّةً وَإِذَا رَفَعَ رَأْسَهُ ‏.‏ وَأَكْثَرُ مَا كَانَ يَقُولُ وَبَعْدَ مَا يَرْفَعُ رَأْسَهُ مِنَ الرُّكُوعِ - وَلاَ يَرْفَعُ بَيْنَ السَّجْدَتَيْنِ ‏.‏
Grade    : Sahih (Al-Albani)      صحيح   (الألباني)    حكم   :
Reference     : Sunan Abi Dawud 721
In-book reference     : Book 2, Hadith 331
English translation     : Book 2, Hadith 720

Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) himself used to do it. Plus horses keep moving their tails without any gaps, so maybe its possible that some people were excessively moving their hands thus Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) told them not to do so.

And this Sahih Hadith says Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) used to raise hands, when he uttered Takbir. (Hadith doesn't mentions takbir Al Ihram)

Wa’il b.Hujr said that he saw the Messenger of Allah(ﷺ) raise his hands when he uttered the takbir (Allah is most great).
حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ، - يَعْنِي ابْنَ زُرَيْعٍ - حَدَّثَنَا الْمَسْعُودِيُّ، حَدَّثَنِي عَبْدُ الْجَبَّارِ بْنُ وَائِلٍ، حَدَّثَنِي أَهْلُ، بَيْتِي عَنْ أَبِي أَنَّهُ، حَدَّثَهُمْ أَنَّهُ، رَأَى رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَرْفَعُ يَدَيْهِ مَعَ التَّكْبِيرَةِ ‏.‏
Grade    : Sahih (Al-Albani)      صحيح   (الألباني)    حكم   :
Reference     : Sunan Abi Dawud 725
In-book reference     : Book 2, Hadith 335
English translation     : Book 2, Hadith 724

Plus from 11 more companions:

Abu Humaid al-Sa’idi once told a company of ten of the companions of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) ; Abu Qatadah was one of them:
I am one among you who is more informed of the way the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) prayed. They said: Why, By Allah, you did not follow him more than us, nor did you remain in his company longer than us? He said: Yes. They said: Then describe (how the Prophet prayed). He said: When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) stood up to pray, he raised his hands so as to bring them opposite his shoulders, and uttered the takbir (Allah is the most great), until every bone rested in its place properly: then re recited (some verses from the Quran); then he uttered the takbir (Allah is most great), raising his hands so as to bring them opposite his shoulders; then he bowed; placing the palms of his hands on his knees and keeping himself straight, neither raising nor lowering his head; then raised his head saying: “Allah listens to him who praise Him”; then raised his hands so as to bring them exactly opposite to his shoulders; then uttered: “Allah is most great”

and in the end, cpmpanions said:

They said: You have spoken the truth. This is how he(peace be upon him) used to pray.

 

Grade    : Sahih (Al-Albani)      صحيح   (الألباني)    حكم   :
Reference     : Sunan Abi Dawud 730
In-book reference     : Book 2, Hadith 340
English translation     : Book 2, Hadith 729

At least 12+ companions agreed to this Raising of Hands in Salat. And hadith in company of 10 companions is after Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) passed away. And the ten testified to how he (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) prayed. and it has rafa e dein. If it was mansukh, at least any one of the ten should've pointed out right?

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