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Reasons why the youth is turning away from religion?

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On 10/6/2020 at 6:22 PM, Guest Gamila said:

Well, this is not true. We need diversity. Religion is belief and it’s a tons of ideas and philosophies merged together to create rituals and other guidelines. The iranians are the leading shia scholars thus people from the otherside of the world will not connect simply because they are from a different culture. Also this is promoting priesthood which is NOT allowed in islam. Everyone with a degree should be able to speak up and share their thoughts. Why give monopoly and power to a few men that most often speak through other men to deliver their message? We need leaders and thinkers that are not afraid to invite people inside and speak their mind - even if it’s doesn’t sound traditional.
The religion is protected by God Almighty, but the count could definitely increase if we where to open our hearts and try to invite those who feel abandoned and mislead inside instead of shaming and labeling them ‘fasiq’s. (A convo I had with a man on this site and he thought it was fine to label people even though it is abusive and degrading)

People are open to speak. But you want people with a 3 year degree to replace Sistani who sacrificed his entire life for the religion ?

And Sistani does not hold any authority or power over you unless you are his muqalid and follow his fatwas. There are many other Marjas too and Sistani is not the only one present.

Everyone with a degree or without a degree here has an opinion. But there is a problem when you think our voices should replace that of the Marjas.

And we don't need newer Ideas and stuff into our religion when Allah in Quran has said he has completed and perfected the religion. Again this is what has let to the decline of Christianity, they bowed down to modernisation at every and have a very very diluted version of their religion present.

Also the concept of Prophethood and Imamat also goes against your ideas because a single person has been given all the authority. Would you say the same thing when our Imam comes back ?

People are open to speak and religion should not be forced upon people according to the Quran. 

Also Nobody is allowed to judge people.

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It cannot be doubted that the character of Constantine deteriorated rather than improved under the influence of Christianity. ... (A)s Constantine became a better Christian he became a worse criminal (implies the late Edward Gibbon – ed.). –Source

People often mention the the spread of atheism, but I don’t think that is the West’s goal per se. The West has constantly denounced “godless communism” and actively sought to overthrow secularist and even officially atheist governments. (For example, the US destroyed nine-tenths of North Korea’s urban centres during the Korean War and killed more than twenty percent of the entire Korean population. Nothing, of course, even comes close to Nazi Germany’s toll on the USSR, which Soviet sources put at up to fifty-seven million people. The Western elites insistently backed fascism and Nazism to counteract Soviet-inspired communism.) That’s why the West consistently backed the Muslim Brotherhood against secular nationalism and Marxism-Leninism—before, during, and after the Cold War. During this timeframe the West has regularly enlisted Islam and other organised religions as allies and proxies. Even now the West criticises China for its atheistic and socialistic aspects. The West always pushes China to allow private churches and fundamentalist movements (cults) such as Falun Gong. The Western perspective, however secularised, is still based on Christian fascism and feudalism. It is inherently Malthusian and parasitic. The West attempts to impose its capitalistic, monopolistic, usurious, eugenicist system on every inch of the globe. The Zionist–evangelical–Wahhabi–Hindutva nexus is part of this Masonic plot, which is ultimately rooted in the Vatican’s financial monopoly. Eliminating the baneful influence of Western, Latinate Christianity and its financial monopoly would probably account for nine-tenths of the crime, corruption, and violence on this planet. This didn’t come out of (orthodox) Judaeo-Islamic civilisation, classical pagan antiquity, indigenous societies, or secularist, socialistic regimes. It came out of Trinitarian Christianity, that is, Babylonian Romanism. The problem is that the West has succeeded in pitting all centres of opposition against one another until nothing is left to resist the Trinitarian, occultist, Gnostic NWO.

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I think the main reason youth are turning away from religion in general, and Islam in particular is that they feel that religion has nothing to offer them that will have practical, immediate benefits to them in their life. That is part of the problem. We, in the West, are taught to judge any person, any business, any product, any philosophy based on how it will effect us in an immediate way that we perceive as positive. The sole focus is on me and now. Of course, we have many youth who talk about the environment, rights for various groups, different civil rights causes, but if you look at how most of them spend their time, day to day and hour to hour, you would see that the vast, vast majority of their time is focused on the me and the now. Video games, clubs, drugs, alcohol, dating, flirting, etc, all these things are about this. What can I do now that will make me feel good now, not later. The first part of solving this puzzle is for the person to examine themselves and see if they fit into this category of 'me' and 'now' and then contemplate if this is truly beneficial to them to be this way, or if they are fooling themselves into believing that it is beneficial. Once this contemplation is done, then they are ready to begin to investigate religion. Before this is done, no religion will benefit them because religion is not about the 'me' and the 'now', not completely in the way they are seeking. If they fail to do this contemplation, they are like someone looking for diamonds in a silver mine. It's a futile effort which won't amount to anything. 

Of course, our Western, Capitalist system takes advantage of this phenomenon of 'me' and 'now' in order to make lots of money by fooling with people's perception thru media brainwashing, and thereby spreading out this money between themselves and government in order to keep the current power structure intact. At the same time, the Western Capitalists didn't invent this phenomenon of 'me' and 'now'. It always existed. They are simply stoking a fire which has always been burning throughout human history.

Once the focus is shifted from the short term, to a combination of the short term and the long term, progress can begin to happen. The first step is to realize that the 'me' and the 'now' has a time limit, which is death. Then there will be another 'me' and 'now' which is quite different from the present. Once that happens, then the person can benefit from the teachings of religion and Islam. 

The other part of this is that, at least in the US, the masjids and other organizations are usually run by narrow interest groups who tend to focus on using them for their own benefit, rather than the benefit of the community. For example, if a masjid is built, it is built using large donations from a few individuals. Those individuals completely control the agenda of the masjid, what programs are done and what programs are not done. They will do the programs that appeal to them as a wealthy,  older, Pakistani / Arab / Iranian, etc first generation immigrant man . Suggestions to do otherwise are ignored, and funds are spent on these programs. So the youth, who do not fit into this category feel that they have no voice and no say, and in most cases they don't. So this is the other part of the problem, which needs to change. 

 

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1 hour ago, Northwest said:

People often mention the the spread of atheism, but I don’t think that is the West’s goal per se. The West has constantly denounced “godless communism” and actively sought to overthrow secularist and even officially atheist governments. 

When people talk about Western Influence I believe it has more to do with media and pop culture than the politics.

Anti-Commumism agenda of West was less never against atheism but more against the ideology. 

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5 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

I think the main reason youth are turning away from religion in general, and Islam in particular is that they feel that religion has nothing to offer them that will have practical, immediate benefits to them in their life. That is part of the problem. We, in the West, are taught to judge any person, any business, any product, any philosophy based on how it will effect us in an immediate way that we perceive as positive. The sole focus is on me and now.

 

I totally agree with the above.

Youth is like empty shell.  What they put in them depends largely on the environment.

Do we have role models that successful engineers, businessmen, geniuses  scientists, professionals...because of religion or devotion to Islam.  We need these role models to share their experiences.

The practical methods are needed on how understanding religion or be devoted to Islam give you better chances of being successful in professional life.

I can only speak on my behalf.  Without guidance from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and teachings from Ahlulbayts, i cannot be the way I am right now.  When I was 17, I made my intention that going to the US for education was to search for HIM (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) because I know zero about religion.  After 13 years in the US, I found Ahlulbayts and with the highest education level (despite I didn't plan for highest level of education).  Women, entertainments, good job offers while in the US didn't influence me.  If it was not because of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), Muhammad wa aale Muhammad, I will be lost during my youth time. Alhamdulillah and  may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) ever increasing His Blessings on Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and His Family (عليه السلام).

We should experiment the religion and ritual parts of Islam. One example,  while in the US  i also worked as a delivery driver (need income to survive) for 5 years.  Never involved in accidents and never go robbed or threatened with a gun, whereas all other drivers were having these issues. Spent some portion of the income to charity.  Charity prevent unwanted events.  Even drug gang members didn't do anything to me despite i told them not to do drug (during one of my delivery order).  I gained respect from fellow workers and management team.

Because of many things that happened in my life and only the belief in religion helped me through, I would think that many youth need to understand this.

I am very thankful to Allahbswt for what I was given by Him (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and the simple life that i have now.  I didn't expect it. May Allahbswt help me, be haqqi Muhammad wa aale Muhammad.  Put me on your path Ya Allah!

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It is the stated goal of the Society of Jesus, Jesuits, to annihilate all other religions but Roman Catholicism. Jesuit Priest Fr. Xavier created the word Vaccine, fyi. (here.)

The God gene hypothesis proposes that a specific gene (VMAT2) predisposes humans towards spiritual or mystic experiences. ... Spiritual individuals are favoured by natural selection because they are provided with an innate sense of optimism, the latter producing positive effects at either a physical or psychological level. (Therefore, this vaccine may be part of the broader depopulation agenda, hence the massive increase in suicidal and irrational behaviour worldwide — ed.) ...

The Pentagon may vaccinate large populations in the Middle East with what is being called FunVax – a fundamentalist vaccine. As explained by Pentagon researchers, the FunVax uses an airborne virus to indiscriminately infect populations considered high risk for religious fundamentalism.

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Although the CIA began as a mostly Protestant organization, Roman Catholics quickly came to dominate the new covert-action wing in 1948. ... The Roman Catholic Church, of course, is one of the most anti-communist organizations in the world. ... When Hitler invaded Communist Russia, the Vatican openly approved. Jesuit Michael Serafian wrote: “It cannot be denied that [Pope] Pius XII’s closest advisors for some time regarded Hitler’s armoured divisions as the right hand of God.” ... Hitler persecuted (independent, lay – ed.) Catholics ... and ultimately drove the Church to the Americans. ... Rome carries on quietly with her program of world dominion. They lead the competition to establish the first one-world system that has ever existed. Their ultimate goal is global religious syncretism, and to eventually wield control and authority over every individual on earth. ... In March 1995 the Israeli radio station Arutz Sheva was leaked a cable from the Israeli Embassy in Rome, confirming the hand over of Jerusalem to the Vatican.

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Capitalism is the world's greatest comprehensive life system that expressly opposes the golden rule at the heart of (original – ed.) Christianity and all the great world religions...

...the Kingdom of Darkness teaches us to love and serve ourselves first, to accumulate wealth and possessions, to freely indulge (in) the lusts of the flesh, and to love the world and all that it has to offer.

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On 9/28/2020 at 8:29 AM, Thaqlain said:

Why is our youth turning away from Islam. One factor explained by Sheikh Mohammed Al-Hilli

 

 

 

becuase especially for the muslims living in western countries. they get raised with western values then many of them deviate.

And haram is everywhere.

the muslims in the middle east are very different to the muslims in the west.

they have more taqqwa because they were raised with islamic values.

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7 minutes ago, YaAli.313 said:

becuase especially for the muslims living in western countries. they get raised with western values then many of them deviate.

And haram is everywhere.

the muslims in the middle east are very different to the muslims in the west.

they have more taqqwa because they were raised with islamic values.

This is a bit of a myth. I think there's as much deviation in muslim countries these days as there is elsewhere. 

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When a youth leaves Islam it's multiple factors. It's to complex and broad subject to narrow down. 

But in the west one thing that definitely needs rectifying is culture based mosques/centers. A masjid in the west should reflect the Muslim demographic in an inclusive way. Unfortunately its the Pakistani center/ koja/ Iraqi etc.

Also western ulema need to take risks. 

Speak about topics even if it means breing labelled an extremist /homophobic/ sexist.etc

 

 

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On 9/28/2020 at 12:29 AM, Thaqlain said:

Why is our youth turning away from Islam. One factor explained by Sheikh Mohammed Al-Hilli

i would say from real experience as an pharmaceutic employee, and being a nurse

that lots of youth are getting harmed and pushed by the world which changed into a satanical place..

we from the pharamacy and hospitals see often how patients are getting diagnosed and prescriped medications like: anti-depressants, anti-psychotics etc... it hapens waaay too often that young people are getting diagnosed with soo many different mental illnesses

i have also seeen waay to often how youth lost completally their trust in everyone including in us! 

we often ask ourselves:"WHERE DOES IT COME FROM??

the answer we have is that this world changed drastically. trough the technology loooots things got extreme easy including: drug trafficking (that also happens alot!),prostitution,cheating, even simple cartoons have soo many sexual messages,pedophillia, satanic mesages and many more..

so you are surprised why lots changed like that??? maybe you can judge the youth but to my experience all youth are extreme innocent!!  previous generations only  people only look at the bad things which the youth commit WHILE THEY FORGET, ITS THEIR GENERATION WHO CAUSED THAT THE YOUTH GOT MESSED UP!  IMAGINE: a world where pedophillia, LGBT,prostitutions, crime and many more things...ARE GETTING NORMALISED! well thats exactly where this youth is going trough!! no one supporting the truth, no one supporting the righteous, everyone believing lies while the people who talk the truth are seen as crazy..AGAIN, ARENT YOU SURPRISED THEY CHANGED LIKE THAT????

also.. you really youse extreme expressions;"Reasons why the youth is turning away from religion?"... i dont know about which youth you are revering too??you talk like "ALL" youth are turning away.... maybe  your'e topic is based on some videos from the media, coz you clearly don't look good enough most of the youth are in fact ready to establish justice.. they cant handle the injustice and corrupt life anymore which got created by the previous generations....

for now what i have seen.. in my own opinion: may allah bless the youth, coz maybe they live in middle of a satanical hell....MOST OF THEM, are actually ready to stay against injustice... and i really belief they are able to establish it!! but lots of them are stopped by the previous generations which are completally full of arrogance ,hypocrisy towards the younger people! i see so often how young children talk about their wishes waaaay to many of them will say they want to become a sort of super hero to clean this world up from loots of disguisting things..NOW, CAN ALL PEOPLE from the previous generations stop talking.. it tells enough that the previous generations failed with creating a good world and these youth are the victims of it!! if the world didnt turn that bad than cleary the youth (which you are reverring to)  wouldn't get triggered by it and would have been different ...FACTS

also one of the biggest fact you clearly missed is: when imam mahdi arrives he will be surrounded by youth themselves (yemani himslef would also be a youth, and lots older people will be against him)..

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Who says they are? 

Whilst the mainstream culture tries to produce a narrative of youth (and people in general) leaving faith entirely, in reality people are kind of returning back to religion. The thing is that what they get into is often not a particular tradition, and so they often identify as non-affiliated in census. But generally, people are spiritual in some way, and eventually will either return to their religious heritage or to another established faith. Islam is actually currently competing with Christianity for these potential new followers actually. 

We're actually living in the beginnings of the post-secularism world. 

Now, you may be writing about born and raised Muslim youth in the west. But even they for the most part stay within the faith, whilst more and more are converting to religions. 

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