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I’m an “anti-masker” I deliberately do not wear a mask in public, including on public transportation though it is mandatory, and in stores. Although I am politely told to wear a mask I always shake my

Gonna have to disagree with this one, sorry. People being gainfully employed and being able to eat and provide for their families is much more important than communal religious activities. You don't n

I don't know man. For me, it was the opposite case. The first death that personally affected me was of my 25 year old friend who had no pre-existing medical conditions. She got positive for corona and

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What are the economic consequences of an influenza pandemic? And given the pandemic, what are the economic costs and benefits of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPI)? Using geographic variation in mortality during the 1918 Flu Pandemic in the U.S., we find that more exposed areas experience a sharp and persistent decline in economic activity. The estimates imply that the pandemic reduced manufacturing output by 18%. The downturn is driven by both supply and demand-side channels. Further, building on findings from the epidemiology literature establishing that NPIs decrease influenza mortality, we use variation in the timing and intensity of NPIs across U.S. cities to study their economic effects. We find that cities that intervened earlier and more aggressively do not perform worse and, if anything, grow faster after the pandemic is over. Our findings thus indicate that NPIs not only lower mortality; they also mitigate the adverse economic consequences of a pandemic

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3561560&mod=article_inline.

 

In sum lockdowns work in terms of both health and in the longer term they are better for the economy. Going by Spanish flu data anyway.

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Sweden is a country that is trying to work through the epidemic without a lockdown.

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The number of Swedes who will show up at hospital and test positive for covid-19 in future is substantially higher if one applies a simulation model used by experts at Imperial College London to the Swedish population, than the forecast used by Sweden's public health agency, says an expert at Lund University.

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/7437147

 

Podcast from Swedish radio.

At 3mins the explanation is that Swden's models are simpler than Imperial College, whose model has far more assumptions. Following the Swedish approach, the Imperial college model predicts nearly four times as many people presenting at hospital with symptoms compared to the models the Swedes are using.

At 4.45 the Chief epidemiologist in Sweden gives explanation. Key issue is that any model is based on weak data.

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2 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Sweden is a country that is trying to work through the epidemic without a lockdown.

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/7437147

 

Podcast from Swedish radio.

At 3mins the explanation is that Swden's models are simpler than Imperial College, whose model has far more assumptions. Following the Swedish approach, the Imperial college model predicts nearly four times as many people presenting at hospital with symptoms compared to the models the Swedes are using.

At 4.45 the Chief epidemiologist in Sweden gives explanation. Key issue is that any model is based on weak data.

https://m.dw.com/en/sweden-mulls-u-turn-on-coronavirus-restrictions/a-53020024

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4 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

l found time 00:30 to 00:35 the most informative -The sneeze/talking projection of droplets. ln short, the pattern lookos like a ceremonial cannon, a quick 'puff' out to the length of your elbow(with arm extended) and then spiral distribution of micro-droplets (0.1micrometers) in the four primary directions.

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30 minutes ago, Nadeemsayyed110 said:

Some channels reported that China has again started its wet markets where they sell toxic animals. 

If China is aware that it was the same place where this deadly virus originated from, why are they restarting it? 

I think because they believe that corona virus is a biological weapon. 

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1 hour ago, Nadeemsayyed110 said:

If China is aware that it was the same place where this deadly virus originated from, why are they restarting it?

Maybe because people need to be able to buy and sell food to eat? The connection between this one particular market and the virus is tenuous - 26 of the first 41 recorded cases either worked or shopped there, but the first case did not. It is more probable that the virus was already undetected in the population and an infected person worked or shopped at that market. 

Viruses often mutate and jump from animals to humans, but it is more likely to happen among concentrated populations such as livestock than among wild animals. Should all farming of meat be eliminated? 

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11 minutes ago, notme said:

Viruses often mutate and jump from animals to humans, but it is more likely to happen among concentrated populations such as livestock than among wild animals. Should all farming of meat be eliminated? 

What about selling Bats? The theory coming in media is Bats are the carriers of this corona virus. Many in the world are concerned about it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/04/letter-the-wet-markets-of-china-reopening-raises-concerns/amp/

Atleast they could have banned selling Bat's meat and other toxic animals food. 

Even if they start selling it I don't think people will buy and eat it again especially Bat's food. 

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36 minutes ago, Nadeemsayyed110 said:

What about selling Bats?

There is 99% similarity between the virus currently infecting humans and a known bat virus, but the difference in structure is one that makes it unlikely that it was transmitted directly from bats to humans. Most likely there was an intermediate species. In my opinion, pigs are the most probable.

I have read, but not confirmed, that bats were not sold in that particular market. 

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https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/04/05/622341/US-Coronavirus-outbreak-death-toll

 

 

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US hampering efforts aimed at discovering origin of coronavirus: Analyst

Sunday, 05 April 2020 5:06 AM  [ Last Update: Sunday, 05 April 2020 5:06 AM ]
 
 
 

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The United States is hampering efforts by countries around the world that are calling for an international investigation into the origin of the coronavirus, says a political analyst.

And the reason the US is doing so is that the fatal virus possibly originated in Fort Detrick, Maryland which is the home of US biological warfare, Kevin Barrett, an American scholar and author, told Press TV on Saturday.

“The medical authorities in China, Iran, Italy and elsewhere have all been calling for an international effort to identify the precise genetic trail of the different strains of this coronavirus and to find its true origin, the United States has been exhibiting guilty demeanor by completely ignoring this and doing everything it can to obstruct and cover up the truth.”

“This is biological warfare, this is made in US biological warfare and there is a reason why the US does not want a scientific effort to identify the different strains of this virus and find out where it originated because the place of origin is very likely going to be Fort Detrick, Maryland. Fort Detrick, Maryland is the home of US biological warfare,” he added.

The coronavirus, a respiratory disease known as COVID-19, jumped from wildlife to people in the Chinese city of Wuhan late last year and is currently affecting more than 200 countries and territories across the globe.

However, since the outbreak of the epidemic, its origin has been widely discussed online, and conspiracy theories around it have also emerged endlessly.

According to American health experts, the virus did not originate from a seafood market in Wuhan, but somewhere else.   

Elsewhere in the interview, Barrett said the US, as the richest most technologically advanced country, is unable to do things to protect its citizens and stem the pandemic in comparison to much poorer countries which are carrying out this task better.

“The authorities in the United States, the richest most powerful, most technologically advanced country in on Earth, at least it was until recently, are completely incompetent and unable to do things that much poorer countries do much much better and quicker.”

The virus has so far affected more than 1,200,000 people worldwide and killed over 64,000, according to a running count by worldometers.info.

In the United States, the country hardest hit by the virus so far, over 311,000 people have tested positive and more than 8,400 people have died because of the virus infection.

On Saturday, President Donald Trump warned that there would be “a lot of deaths" across the country in the weeks ahead.

“This will be probably the toughest week, between this week and next week, and there will be a lot of death, unfortunately,” Trump said.

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^ It will never make any sense to suggest that the US would attack its own economy with a biological weapon. Nor would it be in the US' interests to attack European allies either. Particularly the UK, France, Germany and Italy. Some could suggest that it was an accident that the infection impacted the US, but realistically biological weapons would spread. So it's kind of silly to think that plane flights and trade with China wouldn't somehow bring the virus back to the US. And of course a vaccine would have been made long ago. Some might suggest that it wasn't an intentionally used weapon, but then of course it's just silly to think that it would 'just so happen' to affect people of Wuhan where the prior covid virus 'just so happened' to also originate. It's too coincidental to be accidental. And too dangerous to be intentional. And reasonable and logical when suggested to have been natural. And so it follows:

Here are responses from more credible sources:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

"Here we review what can be deduced about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 from comparative analysis of genomic data. We offer a perspective on the notable features of the SARS-CoV-2 genome and discuss scenarios by which they could have arisen. Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus."

Here is an investigation from the private sector. One of many suggesting a natural origin from Wuhan.

here is another:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext

Scientists from multiple countries have published and analysed genomes of the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2),and they overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife, (see source 2-10) as have so many other emerging pathogens.

 This is further supported by a letter from the presidents of the US National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine and by the scientific communities they represent.

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I think that Khomenei blaming the US for covid-19, and it being used as a weapon, just makes Iran look bad on the world stage.

Once again, scientists who actually research the virus are saying one thing, while politicians and random internet conspiracy theorists are suggesting another.

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29 minutes ago, notme said:

Yeah, I think the bioweapon theories with no evidence are pretty silly and useless.

Think of this question: would you create a weapon you have no control over and as of today have 1/4 of reported global infections?

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58 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Think of this question: would you create a weapon you have no control over and as of today have 1/4 of reported global infections?

Well when you put it like that... the US did put a racist reality TV character with multiple bankruptcies and a long-standing family history of draft dodging in charge. 

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  1. Date accessed: February 17, 2020

I think that Khomenei blaming the US for covid-19, and it being used as a weapon, just makes Iran look bad on the world stage.

Once again, scientists who actually research the virus are saying one thing, while politicians and random internet conspiracy theorists are suggesting another.

Hi first He is Khamenei that Khomeini passed away many years ago secondly he just said that it’s one of possibilities so he didn’t make whole of his idea based on this & America & Israel & KSA  & UK at first dates tried to show Iran as evil for spreading covid-19 in region but they don’t rejects speaks of Imam Khamenei until now.

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9 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

I think that Khomenei blaming the US for covid-19, and it being used as a weapon, just makes Iran look bad on the world stage.

What’s not in question is the terminal event, which was that the viral outbreak was exploited and “weaponized” through sanctions to make Iranians suffer as much as possible. If this is the case, why are preliminary speculations addressing the viral origin so far fetched? Whether “true” or not, is it that much of a leap from what’s already not controversial?
 

9 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

It will never make any sense to suggest that the US would attack its own economy with a biological weapon.

The US has spent trillions on imperial wars over the decades, to its own serious domestic and economic detriment, all done consciously. On that basis, why is rationality being suddenly presumed in this specific case? 

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According to this Suni eschatological scholar, he predicted this would happen (years ago) in order to stop the Hajj from happening, so there will be less resistance to the move of gog and Magog center, from Washington to Jerusalem. He was also famous for predicting the Arab spring before it happened. It seems that the Hajj really could be cancelled.

(This following video is him making this prediction)

It is interesting that now he talks about this being the disease predicted in Suni hadiths, that will wipe out gog and Magog, and he also talks about it being a "dry run" before Arabs get wiped out by it.

 

Obviously this scholar makes mistakes like all humans, and that includes his predictions. But still he is very special for having predicted the Arab spring and now this virus as a tool for those who want to build a temple with the blood of Palestinians and the deception of mankind.

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He didn't predict the virus, he just said that the there could be a virus that would prevent people from going to Hajj (not necessarily abandoning it).  But what he says about Gog and Magog might also be incorrect because he says this abandonment of Hajj would imply that Gog and Magog have "already been released" (he thinks he is necessarily correct according to a hadith).  But I don't think so because Gog and Magog are entities of the Malakut (other worldly realm), not of this Mulk (worldly realm).  As we approach the final hour the Malakuti Realm will start to penetrate the Mulki realm more and more.  So, the hadith is still correct because this could mean that in the Malakuti Realm Gog and Magog have already been released, but we have yet to see their appearance in this Mulki realm.  We will see their appearance as we approach the Final Hour (after Jesus defeats Dajjal) and as the Malakuti Realm penetrates even more into our Mulki realm.  So, Gog and Magog are going to be actual creatures and not a mere metaphor for something.  By the way, the reason why natural disasters will increase along with other such anomalies  is because of this penetration of the Malakuti Realm into the Mulki realm.  

 

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7 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

and as the Malakuti Realm penetrates even more into our Mulki realm.  So, Gog and Magog are going to be actual creatures and not a mere metaphor for something.  By the way, the reason why natural disasters will increase along with other such anomalies  is because of this penetration of the Malakuti Realm into the Mulki realm.  

 

Salam Gog & Magog are not from Malakuti realm but like Jinns that are mulki beings ,They are separated by a barrier from us also spreading any disease or virus from their bodies based on Sunni narrations will be happen after breaking the barrier & dying of them that such thing not happend but some people are trying to adopt Gog & Magog to Chinese & Uighur people .

 

11 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

Obviously this scholar makes mistakes like all humans, and that includes his predictions. But still he is very special for having predicted the Arab spring and now this virus as a tool for those who want to build a temple with the blood of Palestinians and the deception of mankind.

He has good political insight but is mixing Sunni  narrations in order to prove his claims that because of his trying to match weak Sunni hadiths with his political viewpoint , he weakens  his political status but absorbs many fans in Sunni community & few people in Shia community religiously although his hadiths has low value in Shia Islam but abandoning Hajj mentioned in famous hadith that told by Prophet Muhammad (pbu) to Salman Farsi (رضي الله عنه) that both Shia & Sunni agree on it.

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13 hours ago, Reza said:

 If this is the case, why are preliminary speculations addressing the viral origin so far fetched? Whether “true” or not, is it that much of a leap from what’s already not controversial?

Khomenei also mentioned something along the lines of Iranian DNA possibly being used to build the virus. And that medical supplies from the US could be contaminated and would only further spread the virus. This is all a big leap for the reasons listed above.

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1 hour ago, iCenozoic said:

Khomenei also mentioned something along the lines of Iranian DNA possibly being used to build the virus. And that medical supplies from the US could be contaminated and would only further spread the virus. This is all a big leap for the reasons listed above.

This is a proven fact that America tried to collect not only  Iranian DNA but DNA of many races & countries collected by some organization like google & etc that even people in America said it’s a suspicious project also contaminating supplies is an old strategy that colonizers used to massacre native Americans in name of trade & converting them to Christians by giving wet blankets that were containing cholera  by Christian missioners.

How viruses work - Molecular Biology Simplified 

Privacy is an illusion :watch before Taking a DNA test

 

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1 minute ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

contaminating supplies is an old strategy that colonizers used to massacre native Americans in name of trade

I don't know anything about the DNA claim, but this part is true.  However, the colonizers (my ancestors) didn't create cholera, they simply spread it.  If the people who were attacked had stopped using and accepting the infected items and had quarantined the sick individuals it wouldn't have caused nearly as much damage.  At that time, nothing was known about causes of disease.   Now, there is no excuse.  I do not see enough evidence to conclude that the United States spread the virus to Iran, but it is possible.  It is absolutely undeniable that Iran, along with several European and American countries, did not react to the infection appropriately.  Iran has the excuse of being infected early and lacking information.  The United States (and England and many others) have no excuse.  The blood of their people is on the hands of their "leaders".

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"contaminating supplies is an old strategy that colonizers used to massacre native Americans in name of trade"

This was some 300 years ago. Many people did many terrible things if we go back hundreds of years in history, this is hardly justification for the belief that it is happening now. Do we have anything beyond YouTube videos on the collection of Iranian DNA for use of biological weapons? This seems far-fetched.

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British Columbia

Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal accuses U.S. border security of targeting Iranians in Blaine, Wash.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/Canada/british-columbia/iranian-canadians-detained-interrogated-at-us-border-jayapal-congress-1.5416404

https://www.cbc.ca/news/Canada/windsor/us-collect-dna-border-detained-1.5417120
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/us/dna-testing-immigrants.html


This project intends to establish connections between Iranian families by performing mitochondrial (mtDNA) or Y-Chromosome (Y-DNA) test on any male or female with direct ancestry from Iran. The Iranian DNA Project is therefore intended as a research platform for genetic genealogy and not specifically an attempt to investigate Iranian population genetics. For the latter, please refer to one of the sections below ("Seminal Papers").  

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/iranian-y-dna/about/background

https://www.technologynetworks.com/genomics/news/large-genetics-study-finds-irans-population-is-highly-heterogeneous-324374

PLOS
 

 

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0080673

Scientists concerned over US plans to collect DNA data from immigrantsr

Expanded genetic-testing raises concerns about privacy for those who are tested — and their families.
 
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32 minutes ago, notme said:

If the people who were attacked had stopped using and accepting the infected items and had quarantined the sick individuals it wouldn't have caused nearly as much damage.

That people accepted those toxic gifts as sign of friendship also they didn’t have knowledge about infections because they were honest with colonizer even helped them to settle in new lands but leaders of colonizer were seeing them as a barrier in their evil plans to conquer whole lands.

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33 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

That people accepted those toxic gifts as sign of friendship also they didn’t have knowledge about infections because they were honest with colonizer even helped them to settle in new lands but leaders of colonizer were seeing them as a barrier in their evil plans to conquer whole lands.

Yes, but how long has it been since Iran has seen the United States as an honest friend? (Ever?) Why would they accept gifts from a known enemy? 

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57 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

 

None of these articles says anything about gathering genetic data for biological weapon engineering. 

Yes, research has been conducted to examine genetics of people. We could find plenty of data on Caucasians as well. 

And see the following:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/49843898_Y_chromosome_diversity_among_the_Iranian_religious_groups_A_reservoir_of_genetic_variation

This isn't even the federal government collecting data, it's conducted by private sector researchers of Eastern countries.

The last link leads to an Indian journal, did you read the links that you have posted?

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5 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

Khomenei also mentioned something along the lines of Iranian DNA possibly being used to build the virus. And that medical supplies from the US could be contaminated and would only further spread the virus. This is all a big leap for the reasons listed above.

Not sure why you mistakenly said “Khomeini” a second time now.

No theory is a big leap of imagination, considering it’s been all hands on deck, “all options on the table” for many years now. Considering the extensive backdrop of conflict for decades, to not assume something nefarious as a default position can be seen as naive.

This is purely the early speculative phase before evidence is collected, not the final conclusion on the matter. But it’s telling why some are insistent on shutting some of the doors so early.

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