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7 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Another counter narrative:

https://www.rt.com/uk/484319-coronavirus-swine-flu-hysteria-redux/

Surprisingly this is dated 28th March, I would have thought that by now the figures emerging from other European countries show that Covid-19 is not the false alarm that H1N1 turned out to be.

l think it is way too early to make such surmises. 

From what l have read the last month, the influenza death rate is normally 0.01% to 0.1% .

C-19, from the numbers l read of confirmed cases to the death rate in techno-industrial nation-states ranges 1.3% to 1.5%.

Which is 4.2+ million in the USA.

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Bill Gates father was head of the "Planned Parenthood", which is allied with the Church of Satan,

 

Qur'an 4:76 - So fight against the allies of Satan

 

and much like Bill, he also aimed to world population reduction (killing) by encouraging the killing of children before they are born, leading to thousands of fetuses and embryos being killed each day.

 

Qur'an: 17.31 -  Do not kill your children

 

Bill stated many times that vaccines are the best solution to population control.


Let us see how "vaccines" for birth control was worked on in the 1990's already:

A birth control vaccine is on the horizon for family planning.

 

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 A number of birth control vaccines are at different stages of development, the most advanced being a vaccine inducing antibodies against human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG). This vaccine consists of a heterospecies dimer (HSD, beta hCG associated with alpha-subunit of ovine luteinizing hormone, beta hCG:alpha oLH) linked to tetanus toxoid (TT) or diphtheria toxoid (DT) as carriers. 

 

Are those vaccines used without the knowledge of people? Some people have made this claim:

 

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Are New Vaccines Laced with Birth-Control Drugs?

By James A. Miller

      During the early 1990s, the World Health Organization (WHO) had been overseeing massive vaccination campaigns against tetanus in a number of countries, among them Nicaragua, Mexico, and the Philippines. In October 1994, HLI received a communication from its Mexican affiliate, the Comite' Pro Vida de Mexico, regarding that country's anti-tetanus campaign. Suspicious of the campaign protocols, the Comite' obtained several vials of the vaccine and had them analyzed by chemists. Some of the vials were found to contain human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG), a naturally occurring hormone essential for maintaining a pregnancy.
 

hCG and Anti-hCG Antibodies

In nature the hCG hormone alerts the woman's body that she is pregnant and causes the release of other hormones to prepare the uterine lining for the implantation of the fertilized egg. The rapid rise in hCG levels after conception makes it an excellent marker for confirmation of pregnancy: when a woman takes a pregnancy test she is not tested for the pregnancy itself, but for the elevated presence of hCG.

However, when introduced into the body coupled with a tetanus toxoid carrier, antibodies will be formed not only against tetanus but also against hCG. In this case the body fails to recognize hCG as a friend and will produce anti-hCG antibodies. The antibodies will attack subsequent pregnancies by killing the hCG which naturally sustains a pregnancy; when a woman has sufficient anti-hCG antibodies in her system, she is rendered incapable of maintaining a pregnancy.(1)

HLI reported the sketchy facts regarding the Mexican tetanus vaccines to its World Council members and affiliates in more than 60 countries.(2) Soon additional reports of vaccines laced with hCG hormones began to drift in from the Philippines, where more than 3.4 million women were recently vaccinated. Similar reports came from Nicaragua, which had conducted its own vaccination campaign in 1993.
 

The Known Facts

Here are the known facts concerning the tetanus vaccination campaigns in Mexico and the Philippines:

* Only women are vaccinated, and only the women between the ages of 15 and 45. (In Nicaragua the age range was 12-49.) But aren't men at least as likely as young women to come into contact with tetanus? And what of the children? Why are they excluded?

* Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) hormone has been found in the vaccines. It does not belong there -- in the parlance of the O.J. Simpson murder trial, the vaccine has been "contaminated."

* The vaccination protocols call for multiple injections -- three within three months and a total of five altogether. But, since tetanus vaccinations provide protection for ten years or more, why are multiple inoculations called for?(3)

* WHO has been actively involved for more than 20 years in the development of an anti-fertility vaccine utilizing hCG tied to tetanus toxoid as a carrier -- the exact same coupling as has been found in the Mexican-Philippine-Nicaragua vaccines.(4)
 

The Anti-Fertility Gang

Allied with the WHO in the development of an anti-fertility vaccine (AFV) using hCG with tetanus and other carriers have been UNFPA, the UN Development Programme (UNDP), the World Bank, the Population Council, the Rockefeller Foundation, the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, and a number of universities, including Uppsala, Helsinki, and Ohio State.(5) The U.S. National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (part of NIH) was the supplier of the hCG hormone in some of the AFV experiments.(6)

The WHO begain its "Special Programme" in human reproduction in 1972, and by 1993 had spent more than $356 million on "reproductive health" research.(7) It is this "Programme" which has pioneered the development of the abortificant vaccine. Over $90 million of this Programme's funds were contributed by Sweden; Great Britain donated more than $52 million, while Norway, Denmark and Germany kicked in for $41 million , $27 million, and $12 million, respectively. The U.S., thanks to the cut-off of such funding during the Reagan-Bush administrations, has contributed "only" $5.7 million, including a new payment in 1993 by the Clinton administration of $2.5 million. Other major contibutors to the WHO Programme include UNFPA, $61 million; the World Bank, $15.5 million; the Rockefeller Foundation, $2.5 million; the Ford Foundation, over $1 million; and the IDRC (International Research and Development Centre of Canada), $716.5 thousand.
 

WHO and Philippine Health Department Excuses

When the first reports surfaced in the Philippines of tetanus toxoid vaccine being laced with hCG hormones, the WHO and the Philippine Department of Health (DOH) immediately denied that the vaccine contained hCG. Confronted with the results of laboratory tests which detected its presence in three of the four vials of tetanus toxoid examined, the WHO and DOH scoffed at the evidence coming from "right-to-life and Catholic" sources. Four new vials of the tetanus vaccine were submitted by DOH to St. Luke's (Lutheran) Medical Center in Manila -- and all four vials tested positive for hCG!

From outright denial the stories now shifted to the allegedly "insignificant" quantity of the hCG present; the volume of hCG present is insufficient to produce anti-hCG antibodies.

But new tests designed to detect the presence of hCG antibodies in the blood sera of women vaccinated with the tetauns toxoid vaccine were undertaken by Philippine pro-life and Catholic groups. Of thirty women tested subsequent to receiving tetanus toxoid vaccine, twenty-six tested positive for high levels of anti-hCG! If there were no hCG in the vaccine, or if it were present in only "insignificant" quantities, why were the vaccinated women found to be harboring anti-hCG antibodies? The WHO and the DOH had no answers.

New arguments surfaced: hCG's apparent presence in the vaccine was due to "false positives" resulting from the particular substances mixed in the vaccine or in the chemicals testing for hCG. And even if hCG was really there, its presence derived from the manufacturing process.

But the finding of hCG antibodies in the blood sera of vaccinated women obviated the need to get bogged down in such debates. It was no longer necessary to argue about what may or may not have been the cause of the hCG presence, when one now had the effect of the hCG. There is no known way for the vaccinated women to have hCG antibodies in their blood unless hCG had been artificially introduced into their bodies!
 

Why A Tetanus Toxoid "Carrier"?

Because the human body does not attack its own naturally occurring hormone hCG, the body has to be fooled into treating hCG as an invading enemy in order to develop a successful anti-fertility vaccine utilizing hCG antibodies. A paper delivered at the 4th International Congress of Reproductive Immunology (Kiel, West Germany, 26-29 July 1989) spelled it out: "Linkage to a carrier was done to overcome the immunological tolerance to hCG."(8)
 

Vaccine Untested by Drug Bureau

After the vaccine controversy had reached a fever pitch, a new bombshell exploded; none of the three different brands of tetanus vaccine being used had ever been licensed for sale and distribution or registered with the Philippine Bureau of Food and Drugs (BFAD), as required by law. The head of the BFAD lamely explained that the companies distributing these brands "did not apply for registration."(9) The companies in question are Connaught Laboratories Ltd. and Intervex, both from Canada, and CSL Laboratories from Australia.

It seemed that the BFAD might belatedly require re-testing, but the idea was quickly rejected when the Secretary of Health declared that, since the vaccines had been certified by the WHO -- there they are again! -- there was assurance enough that the "vaccines come from reputable manufacturers."(10)

Just how "reputable" one of the manufacturers might be is open to some question. In the mid-`80s Connaught Laboratories was found to be knowingly distributing vials of AIDS-contaminated blood products.(11)
 

Epilogue

At this juncture, evidence is beginning to appear from Africa.(12) HLI has called for a Congressional investigation of the situation, inasmuch as nearly every agency involved in the development of an anti-fertility vaccine is funded, at least in part, with U.S. monies.


NOTES:

(1) "Abortifacient vaccines loom as new threat," HLI Reports, November 1993, pp. 1-2.

(2) World Council Reports, 28 November 1994, pp. 4-5.

(3) A call placed by this writer on 5 May 1995 to the Montgomery County (Maryland) Health Department, Epidemology Division -- Infectious Diseases -- Adult Immunizations, elicited the following information:

Q. For how long a time does the tetanus vaccination offer protection?
A. 10 years.
Q. Have you ever heard of any adult requiring three tetanus vaccinations within a 3 or 4 month time period, and a total of 5 vaccinations in all within a year or so?
A. Whaaaat! Never. No way!

Reports from the Philippines appear to confirm the 10-year immunity afforded by tetanus toxoid vaccinations: prior to the campaigns begun in 1993, the so-called booster shots were given only every 10 years.

(4) More than a score of articles, many written by WHO researchers, document WHO's attempts to create an anti-fertility vaccine utilizing tetanus toxoid as a carrier. Some leading articles include:

"Clinical profile and Toxicology Studies on Four Women Immunized with Pr-B-hCG-TT," Contraception, February, 1976, pp. 253-268.

"Observations on the antigenicity and clinical effects of a candidate antipregnancy vaccine: B-subunit of human chorionic gonadotropin linked to tetanus toxoid," Fertility and Sterility, October 1980, pp. 328-335.

"Phase 1 Clinical Trials of a World Health Organisation Birth Control Vaccine," The Lancet, 11 June 1988, pp. 1295-1298. "Vaccines for Fertility Regulation," Chapter 11, pp. 177-198, Research in Human Reproduction, Biennial Report (1986-1987), WHO Special Programme of Research, Development and Research Training in Human Reproduction (WHO, Geneva 1988).

"Anti-hCG Vaccines are in Clinical Trials," Scandinavian Journal of Immunology, Vol. 36, 1992, pp. 123-126.

(5) These institutional names are garnered from the journal articles cited in the previous footnote.

(6) Lancet, 11 June 1988, p. 1296.

(7) Challenges in Reproductive Health Research, Biennial Report 1992-1993, World Health Organization, Geneva, 1994, p. 186.

(8) G.P. Talwar, et al, "Prospects of an anti-hCG vaccine inducing antibodies of high affinity...(etc)," Reproductive Technology 1989, Elsevier Science Publishers, 1990, Amsterdam, New York, p. 231.

(9) "3 DOH vaccines untested by BFAD," The Philippine Star, 4 April 1995, pp. 1, 12.

(10) "BFAD junks re-testing of controversial shot," Manila Standard, 7 April 1995; "DOH: Toxoid vaccines are safe," The Philippine Star, 7 April 1995.

(11) "Ottawa got blood tainted by HIV." Ottawa Citizen, 4 April 1995.

(12) A nearly two-year old communique from Tanzania tells a familiar story: tetanus toxoid vaccinations, five in all, given only to women aged 15-45. Nigeria, too, may have been victimized; see The Lancet, 4 June 1988, p. 1273.

SOURCE: Copyright June/July 1995 by James A. Miller, special correspondent for Human Life International. This article was originally published in HLI Reports, Human Life International, Gaithersburg, Maryland; June/July 1995, Volume 13, Number 8.

 

How about Kenya in the 1970's?

HCG Found in WHO Tetanus Vaccine in Kenya Raises Concern in the Developing World

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In 1993, WHO announced a “birth-control vaccine” for “family planning”. Published research shows that by 1976 WHO researchers had conjugated tetanus toxoid (TT) with human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) producing a “birth-control” vaccine. Conjugating TT with hCG causes pregnancy hormones to be attacked by the immune system. Expected results are abortions in females already pregnant and/or infertility in recipients not yet impregnated. Repeated inoculations prolong infertility. Currently WHO researchers are working on more potent anti-fertility vaccines using recombinant DNA.

 

Notice that the above article shows their research into vaccines that actually engineer our DNA into what they want, which is now being talked about in parallel to forced vaccination for all.

 

So that explains pretty well how Bill Gates used "Vaccines" as solution for population control. 

What other things is Bill Gates working on and trying to roll out? Let's see ..

 

INVISIBLE INK “TATTOOS” COULD BE USED TO ID VACCINATED KIDS

 

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It’s possible someday that this ‘invisible’ approach could create new possibilities for data storage, biosensing, and vaccine applications 

 

This is the latest step towards (the attempt at) marking all humans with a mark that would be used for ID and that people use for even buying and selling:

 

Bible (Injeel): 

Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

Here is the problem:

Revelation 14:9-11 New International Version (NIV)

9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

 

Ladies and Gents: It seems that for all God fearing people, this is a scheme from Shaytan and we should not accept to receive any mark on our bodies for the sake of buying and selling, no matter what! We as Muslims must resist this.

 

Let's see the plan from the people who already put less advanced marks into people recently, before this Tatoo they are talking about now:

Wisconsin company to install rice-sized microchips in employees

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"We foresee the use of RFID technology to drive everything from making purchases in our office break room market, opening doors, use of copy machines, logging into our office computers, unlocking phones, sharing business cards, storing medical/health information, and used as payment at other RFID terminals," CEO Todd Westby said in a company statement. "Eventually, this technology will become standardized allowing you to use this as your passport, public transit, all purchasing opportunities, etc." 

 

This is all part of the "New (Satanic) World Order" that has been talked about by countless evil politicians and billionaires.

And Coronovirus is used to push forced vaccination all over the world, including California

 

So what else is Bill and Melinda Foundation trying to achieve?

Microsoft, the ID2020 Alliance, universal digital identification and you

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The fundamental mission of creating a universal identification system that incorporates every person on the globe, using modern technology and the support of various governments, financial institutions and more

 

'Remote control' contraceptive chip available 'by 2018'

 

So now they are working on rolling out vaccines that alter our DNA, so that we basically produce whatever they want us to produce (we become their factories). This can also be done for mind control via inducing certain hormones and protein production that lowers our ability to reason and question things. The pituitary gland could be attacked directly now, which is a major center for insight and understanding. They can (more than ever) control our adrenaline production that makes us more docile and accepting. The options for abuse are infinite, and I don't remember any Prophetic narrations talking about accepting the guidance of flags prior to the Mahdi, except the Yamani, Khurasani, and their allies. I don't remember hadiths saying that we should trust the guidance of Hezbul Shaytan (Party of Satan) in all their cowardly guises. This big picture of theirs will fail at some point (in sha Allah). Allah will only let it continue to a certain point, and I would predict that the collapse will be soon and totally fail once their (fake) Messiah comes out in the open.

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The longer l have been on S.C, the more l have become convinced that conspiracy theories are there to inflict mental mayhem on us meager members of mankind. That dementia is a political program and not plaque placement.

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2 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

Good News

Children and younglings do not die nor get seriously affected by COVID-19. Scientists call it "mysterious".

 

This is not true. An infant in Chicago died. But it is true that children and infants who are infected rarely die. 

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Here is another article to support the above:

Bill Gates will use microchip implants to fight coronavirus

This is basically an article talking how he is using the Corona Virus as an excuse to put a mark on all of mankind, that can eventually be used to roll-out the one-world crypto currency and one-world ID. AKA Antichrist system.

What is interesting here, is that the article says the following:

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The main reason many Christians and some Shia Muslims are opposed to body-invasive identification technologies, however helpful such technologies are for preventing pandemics, is because they believe that such technologies are the so called ‘Mark of Satan’ mentioned in the Bible and some Mahdi prophecies. In the Book of Revelations in the Bible, anyone who does not have this “mark” is not allowed to buy or sell anything.

 

Guys, I'm proud to be among the "some" Shia Muslims. Alhamdulilah. Resistance!

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2 hours ago, notme said:

This is not true. An infant in Chicago died. But it is true that children and infants who are infected rarely die. 

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Worldometers site has yet to record that death then.

2 hours ago, notme said:

But it is true that children and infants who are infected rarely die.

They "rarely die" is a vastly inaccurate statement according to statistics.

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50 minutes ago, The Green Knight said:

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Worldometers site has yet to record that death then.

They "rarely die" is a vastly inaccurate statement according to statistics.

I posted a link to the infant from Illinois that has died as well. But that case was just reported today.

https://www.livescience.com/us-infant-dies-coronavirus.html - Illinois

https://www.newsweek.com/u-s-coronavirus-update-death-toll-2000-1494859 - Chicago

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Just now, iCenozoic said:

I posted a link to the infant from Illinois that has died as well. But that case was just reported today.

I do not doubt that piece of news. Exceptions are always there. I imagine there were complications.

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BTW You friends must have realized by now that I only wish to give real hope through facts to all readers. Hope and supportive evidence is a great tonic in these troubling times while anxiety and stress are secret killers. You would agree.

 

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Anyway, who else thinks these official figures are watered down and sometimes doctored? I know here in Pakistan despite all efforts to ID corona patients (without accurate lab tests) there are lots of people everywhere who are unregistered, mostly because they have chosen to keep their condition private and/or misidentified it and so remain under the radar. This may be one of the biggest reasons why information like death rate is not the same. But definitely the number of infected (and the dead) is much higher. I estimate it is safe to multiply it with 1.5 at least to have a more accurate idea. Let us also not forget how everything our politicians do is for the economy and not the people, and they will do whatever necessary to help economy by doctoring certain things hitting the media.

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Salam,

I understand that many Muslims don't want to think about Satanic conspiracies of our current world powers. Already during the time of Jesus, he ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) was quoted as saying that the prince of darkness was the king of the world. So imagine now! During Prophet Mohammed's time, he ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) also referred to his era as the end times. We are 1400 years after that!

It is understandable that people want to put their heads in the sand and live by the motto of "ignorance is bliss"! I understand it because we seem to be all very helpless against it. What can we do? We can do a lot! Let me summarize:

1 - Pray Pray Pray .. Pray for the emergence of the Victory of God. Pray for Allah to protect you and your family from his chastisement and from the plans and conspiracies of Satan. If you know more specifics, your prayers can also be more specific. Pray pray pray .. not just the traditional one, but always keep God in your mind and talk to Him all the time wherever you may be.

2 - Keep informed and educated. Someone made the point somewhere today that we should leave it to God and not worry or discuss the conspiracies of Satan, if I understood correctly. Yes, we keep it to God, but we must also do something. When the Prophets were fighting against the kofar against all odds, they were gathering information and intelligence, and scheming and plotting too. We know for fact that Imam Ali and Prophet Mohammed were master schemers. The same we have in the Qur'an with the likes of Prophet Solomon and how he conspired against Queen Sheeba and in the end she converted from the heart away from Paganism. As soon as we realize how powerful we are through prayers, we lose the fear of taking on the whole world of evil in sha Allah.

3 - Expose and warn. This is the way of the Prophet as well. Unless you fear for your lives in doing so, simply exposing the truth is a big slap against the devil, and I believe that if we don't do it, that we might be counted as a taghut oppressor. Wasn't it Imam Hussein who said that "being silent in face of oppression is like taking part"?? Something along those lines.

4 - Believe in the Qur'an and Ahl bayt. They tell us that plan of the wicked people is weak. The Antichrist and Antimahdi are following a tight schedule linked to all kinds of things that are interdependent. A lot of things that they planned did not go the way they needed it to go. For instance, I truly believe they wanted to disarm Hezbollah and defeat the WF in Iran. Instead they have them all over the place now like a dagger in their side. Hamas is still there and the rockets are getting more. The Palestinian cause isn't dead, and Communist Russian and China aren't playing ball as expected either. Monotheism is spreading like crazy, and they have a tight schedule!! They follow all kinds of timings and astrological deadlines. So, what they will end up doing in sha Allah, is push out the Messiah and Sufiani without a Parachute from the symbolic airplane.

5 - At the same time we are helpless more than ever for any Momin group in history (That's why God will gather the 313 spontaneously, supposedly). So there is truth in leaving it to God beyond self education, exposure, and mental resistance, and above all - prayer. We should still keep in mind that defeating such powers can only happen with a miracle. I think I said enough about this, and I want to remind to nurture and strengthen your relationship with God, and pray pray pray. Pray for every little and big thing as much as possible. And keep informed, so that we don't confuse movements as good when they are bad. So we can prepare and be ready. I think that judging is in the way of al-Hakam, al-Khabeer, al-Aleem, al-Basir, etc. 

Thanks,

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Thank you, everyone, for sharing your insight, understandings, and faith. My favorite advice is "Pray, Pray, Pray." I think we can agree the power behind Covid-19 is greater than national or government powers. Nevertheless, there is a Power that is greater than the devil. Satan is already defeated, and his time for wreaking havok on the Earth is short. Before Jesus went back to heaven, He said this...

25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you.
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.
28 You heard me say to you, 'I am going away, and I will come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it does take place you may believe.
30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me, - John 14:25-30

God will save us. We can trust Him. May we spend eternity together praising Him!

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Here's the chance for conspiracy theorists to do some mental gymnastics.

The picture was taken at Cheltenham (England) where two weeks ago there was an annual horse-racing fixture. The people who attend such events tend to be better off and more likely voters for the right-wing party in power (the Conservatives).

At the time there were concerns that this event should have been cancelled because of the likelihood of infection. But the government policy was then to go for 'herd immunity', a stance they have since changed.

 

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UPDATE:

On 3/29/2020 at 8:48 AM, notme said:

This is not true. An infant in Chicago died. But it is true that children and infants who are infected rarely die. 

On CBS This Morning , 30March2020, interviewed was Chicago Health Comissioner Alwady who said that when reports of this infant's death was reported, emergency rooms in Chicago were inundated with mothers with their infants wanting them checked for C-19.

OPINE: Which of course spread the disease further.

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9 hours ago, MartyS said:

Satan is already defeated, and his time for wreaking havok on the Earth is short. Before Jesus went back to heaven, He said this...

Hi Satan not defeated yet because we see spreading sin & disobeying Allah even this hard days but he will defeat after reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) & second coming of Jesus for helping & verifying him then we can announce defeating of Satan.

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46 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi Satan not defeated yet because we see spreading sin & disobeying Allah even this hard days but he will defeat after reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) & second coming of Jesus for helping & verifying him then we can announce defeating of Satan.

Salam,

Shatan cannot be "defeated" because he is one of those that Allah -(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). gave "respite" to. Ayat 7:15 et alia. Plus, Shatan can only suggest with a warning: Sura an-Nas;  Ayat 7:64 and 14:22, for examples .

Satan will go to Jehenna with most of el-Alameen. lblis-Satan already know this.

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Lol I've been away too long. When did ShiaChat become a hub for conspiracy theories? I will admit, they are quite entertaining, but so what? What if you can figure out what's really going on? You can't change anything. You're not a big enough player. Too many layers to everything and grey areas and competing agendas.

Just saying :P

 

 

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

Shatan cannot be "defeated" because he is one of those that Allah -(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). gave "respite"

only up to certain appointed time. I heard the Mahdi will kill him. Everyone will die, including the angel of death himself, just Allah doesn't die.

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25 minutes ago, Belle said:

What if you can figure out what's really going on? You can't change anything. You're not a big enough player. Too many layers to everything and grey areas and competing agendas.

that is simply not true! you can ask God to empower you to make a difference. Why? As a means of closeness to God.

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2 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

that is simply not true! you can ask God to empower you to make a difference. Why? As a means of closeness to God.

Most people just pray for empowerment. Most don't actually go out there and make a plan and execute actions that lead to empowerment. That takes risks.

Be careful, because if you only keep praying and getting close to God, you'll wake up one day and wonder why everyone else got far ahead in life and why God "left you behind"

Not literally you, I use "you" as people in general 

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1 minute ago, Belle said:

Most people just pray for empowerment. Most don't actually go out there and make a plan and execute actions that lead to empowerment. That takes risks.

Be careful, because if you only keep praying and getting close to God, you'll wake up one day and wonder why everyone else got far ahead in life and why God "left you behind"

Not literally you, I use "you" as people in general 

I agree 100% except that everybody is praying for empowerment. If that was true, then I can guarantee you that Shia would be empowered. What is more important than empowerment though, and should come first:

1 - Ask for peace and blessings upon Mohammed and his progeny

2 - Ask for forgiveness in as many ways as possible, and in as much detail as possible, with as much fear and terror as possible

3 - Ask for guidance because power without guidance is a catastrophe

 

We are not helpless. That is what they want us to believe. In Islam we believe that whatever you ask for, you shall receive in sha Allah.

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1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

l do not know or fathom where you can here such stuff, but you need to read on your own and you can ask on S.C for directed reading.

regardless! shaytan will only have respite for some time. And once the victory of God happens iblis will be either dead or hiding and dominated and humiliated somewhere. 

Here is a place where you can read more and see narrations about him being killed by Mahdi if you want .

 

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3 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

regardless! shaytan will only have respite for some time. And once the victory of God happens iblis will be either dead or hiding and dominated and humiliated somewhere. 

The vocabulary of "victory", "defeat" and so on do not apply to the God-of-Noah, Allah -.(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). because they are not revealed Attributes and over all things powerful/competent/the Determinant Ayat 16:77 for example.

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1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

The vocabulary of "victory", "defeat" and so on do not apply to the God-of-Noah, Allah -.(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). because they are not revealed Attributes and over all things powerful/competent/the Determinant Ayat 16:77 for example.

 

Chapter of Victory in the Qur'an

When the victory of Allah (Nasr Allah) has come and the conquest, 110:1

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48 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

 

Chapter of Victory in the Qur'an

When the victory of Allah (Nasr Allah) has come and the conquest, 110:1

The tri-literal root fa-ta-ha in noun form is also "decision" and "judgment". Two other translations/interpretations render it "conquest" and another "triumph".

Think of my point above another way: When something is a foregone/preordained conclusion, there is no "victory". lt is just the way it always was. Ayat 7:183

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1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

Rather than argue just to argue, re-read the post.

I don't get what you are saying. Just because Allah has pre-ordained the victory and opening, doesn't mean it's not a victory and opening. The verse says "when comes" or "Iza jah", so how can something come if it was there already. If it was there already then it would say "iza wajada" or "when it would be present". So even from your point of view I don't get what you are saying.

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