COVlD-19 Big Picture

[MartyS]

I have a theory about the development and testing of the corona virus based on my personal experience a decade ago. I was alarmed then and am embarassed now to have said nothing before. I attended a conference sponsored by the WHO in Nice, France, gathering geriatricians from all over the world, basically to get them to endorse long-term-care facilities being built in third-world countries, and in China, where individuals who had dementia, or even genetic markers that predisposed them to getting dementia, would be involuntarily housed. (It was noted that these individuals place the greatest burden on a productive society.) These large facilities would be human testing sites for vaccines. There would be no physician in-house, and they would each be supervised by one nurse. I asked the doctor hosting the conference, "What if these people died?" He said, "It would be better for a few to die than many."

Does it seem odd that this virus is particularly lethal to the elderly and infirmed, but much less dangerous to young healthy productive members of society?

[The Green Knight]

A tabloid article: (Read with a grain of salt perhaps (Google Translated))

KARACHI (Report: Massoud Anwar) Corona virus was manufactured in the UK laboratory, registered in the US and then routed to Wuhan's laboratory by Air Canada flight from the Canadian Laboratory. According to Jasart's research, the use of the Corona virus as a biological weapon was initiated by the Pirbright Institute in England. Funding for this project from the Pirbright Institute is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. The Corona virus was regularly patented by the Pirbright Institute in the United States. Its patent number was 10,10,701. The patent was terminated as soon as the first case was discovered in the United States in January. The Corona virus, named after the US-based Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) 2019-nCoV, was practiced on a computer in New York on October 18, 2019. The exercise was organized by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, John Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum. The exercise, which was attended by parliamentarians, business leaders and health professionals, was practiced in how to prevent the spread of the Corona virus outbreak. Was named Event 201. It was a full scale exercise made six weeks before the first case was reported in Wuhan, China's central region. It is also important to note that the organizations conducting the exercises on the Corona virus prevention computer were the ones funding the virus's patent company. And now these organizations and organizations are working on the Corona virus vaccine. Participants of the October 18 exercise were attended by representatives from major banks of the world, the United Nations, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Johnson & Johnson, logistical powerhouses, media, as well as representatives of China and US institutions CDC. The practice created a regular environment that reports of the devastation caused by the outbreak of the Corona virus in the media were alarming, citizens were scared and demanding the government take steps to remedy it. The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory Level 3 and Level 4 are located in the Zhengdian Scientific Park of Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan. The name of two Chinese scientists is used to deliver. Dr... Xiangguo Qiu, who also specializes in viruses, came to Canada in 1996 to further study. Dr... Chi's husband, Keding Cheng, currently works as a biologist in the laboratory of Winnipeg, Canada. The two spouses have been doing research on the Ebola and SARS virus. Last July, CNBC News reported that a Chinese female scientist, her husband, and a few of her postgraduate students were arrested from Winnipeg's lab. A month after the news, CNBC further reported that the aforementioned scientist couple sent to China via Ebola and Henipah's virus Air Canada flight March 31. According to the news, all the rules for the shipment of the virus were followed. It is said that the Corona virus was also sent to Wuhan's laboratory by the same shipment. Another CNBC follow-up story revealed that Dr... Chi made five visits to China during 2017-18, providing training for technicians and scientists in China's Level 4 laboratory. The scientist duo is still in custody. In addition to the corona's patent virus, Winnipeg's laboratory has been provided to laboratories in England and several other countries, including Australia.

[Allah Seeker]

Salam alaikum,

By far the best source of info on this Corona madness - for me - are Adam Green and Rick Wiles. Adams channel is still on YouTube and today's video is this

And Rick's online ministry has been deplatformed from YouTube recently, so I'm streaming their videos from their website on trunews.com . I'm actually listening live right now.

Apologies for having posted these two links on a different Corona thread already; am just trying to spread the word by people who look also at the religious side of the story, which is pointing towards anti-messiah material.

Thanks

[Allah Seeker]

2 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Please do not mind my words but this thread should only be for coronavirus updates and not for other discussions like conspiracy theories and vaccinations. 

What if the corono-virus is part of a conspiracy, and vaccinations are very much part of the story, regardless if you believe it's a conspiracy or not.

[Haji 2003]

3 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

What if the corono-virus is part of a conspiracy, and vaccinations are very much part of the story, regardless if you believe it's a conspiracy or not.

Then you should create a new thread called 'Coronavirus conspiracy theories' or some such. 

[Allah Seeker]

1 minute ago, Haji 2003 said:

Then you should create a new thread called 'Coronavirus conspiracy theories' or some such. 

In that case we should call this thread "Mainstream Corona Virus theories", or? Why should we not discuss all aspects of this under a broad "Coronavirus (COVID-19)" thread?

[Haji 2003]

This thread is for examining the broader geopolitical, economic, and health issues around the virus. You should use this thread to discuss news items:

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235065281-coronavirus-covid-19-official-thread/?page=35&tab=comments#comment-3272859

[Allah Seeker]

5 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Because we are generally not discussing theories, we are reporting news about what is happening. You want to speculate about why it is happening and you are welcome to do so, but not here.

Here is the new thread, with a suitably neutral title.

 

Actually those theories are even propagated by countries like China and Iran in their main-steam media. And the western zionist media is discussing it openly too as a response. So I guess that can't be discussed here too. No problem, you're the admin. If I don't accept it I can just get out of here.

[Allah Seeker]

With all respect to everyone, I would like to express my opinion that if we only allow the western zionist narrative on this thread, while not allowing the ones of the likes of Iran and China, then we are creating polarization.

[Ahmad8888]

49 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

With all respect to everyone, I would like to express my opinion that if we only allow the western zionist narrative on this thread, while not allowing the ones of the likes of Iran and China, then we are creating polarization.

Its pointless at this time because its spreading, but if america really made this virus then damn that backfired quickly.

[Sirius_Bright]

41 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

With all respect to everyone, I would like to express my opinion that if we only allow the western zionist narrative on this thread, while not allowing the ones of the likes of Iran and China, then we are creating polarization.

It is easy to miss something important in the middle of 5 other discussions. We can use one thread for one purpose. This thread can best serve as an update of what is happening across the world with respect to coronavirus (infections, death, recoveries, lockdown, measures, etc.). There can be another thread to discuss if coronavirus was created as a biological weapon or it came down as a punishment or is it a natural pandemic happening every few decades. Another thread could also be created to discuss vaccinations and cure (including health expert Dr.. Trump's tweet). All in all, I can see that all required thread is already present, we just need to discuss things in the right one. 

[Allah Seeker]

5 minutes ago, HusseinAbbas said:

Its pointless at this time because its spreading, but if america really made this virus then damn that backfired quickly.

we can continue this discussion in the other thread, but it seems that the ones running America aren't really having America or American interests in their mind. Rather the opposite.

[Allah Seeker]

what is the difference between this thread and the "is corona virus man made " thread?

[Muslim2010]

The following also describes the COVID-19 as possible biological man made item:

https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineering-watch-global-alert-news-march-21-2020-241/

 

https://youtu.be/0Ct92GUifus

 

At 22:33 minutes and ahead in the above video

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Muslim2010

[Haji 2003]

1 hour ago, 313 Seeker said:

what is the difference between this thread and the "is corona virus man made " thread?

There isn't a difference.

It was you who complained that you had nowhere else to post your conspiracy theories.

So I created this and did not realise that you already had one. At some point I'll merge the two.

[Allah Seeker]

Just now, Haji 2003 said:

There isn't a difference.

It was you who complained that you had nowhere else to post your conspiracy theories.

So I created this and did not realise that you already had one. At some point I'll merge the two.

Did I say "my" conspiracy theories? Doesn't the government of China that represents a big chunk of human population, as well as the likes of the IRI count? Or is it only me on this planet who is questioning the official zionist narrative?

[Allah Seeker]

@Haji 2003 but I have to say that I like the title of this thread. thanks

[Haji 2003]

40 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Did I say "my" conspiracy theories? Doesn't the government of China that represents a big chunk of human population, as well as the likes of the IRI count?

Shiachat is both customer-focused and equal opportunities and while I used the term 'your conspiracy theories' in order to show me being responsive to your needs, clearly the thread would be open to all sorts of conspiracies from both ends of the sanity/insanity spectrum and everywhere in-between.

[Haji 2003]

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Brazil’s far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro, has accused his political foes and the press of purposefully “tricking” citizens about the dangers of coronavirus, as Latin America braced for a spike in the number of deaths.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/brazils-jair-bolsonaro-says-coronavirus-crisis-is-a-media-trick

[hasanhh]

37 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/brazils-jair-bolsonaro-says-coronavirus-crisis-is-a-media-trick

l saw this on the news Iast week. l thought then that he would rue-his-attitude after Carnival in Rio was not cancelled.

Personally, l am afraid South America and sub-Saharan Africa will have it the worse.

Meanwhile, a second "wave" is in Hong Kong.

[MartyS]

Some weeks ago, I posted a belief that I held a decade or so ago, that the Chinese were involved in incarcerating the portion of their population who were least-productive and a burden on their society, and testing vaccines in special facilities on elderly and mentally disabled individuals. It occurs to me now that, by the release of this virus, that goal has largely been accomplished. But it will not have the desired effect of making China's work force more competitive in a global sense, because it is accomplishing that same goal in countries all over the world.

[Muslim2010]

5 hours ago, MartyS said:

Some weeks ago, I posted a belief that I held a decade or so ago, that the Chinese were involved in incarcerating the portion of their population who were least-productive and a burden on their society, and testing vaccines in special facilities on elderly and mentally disabled individuals. It occurs to me now that, by the release of this virus, that goal has largely been accomplished. But it will not have the desired effect of making China's work force more competitive in a global sense, because it is accomplishing that same goal in countries all over the world.

here we are not brain washed by zionist media. we keep our eyes open as we live  in the world thats full of lies from Trump government.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Muslim2010

[Allah Seeker]

Salam, 

Here is a discussion on the plans and possible ramifications of this crisis by world governing forces. This is on Adam Green's channel and the guest talker is called Whitney Webb, who seems very knowledgeable MashaAllah.

I have made notes to cover some of the main points discussed:

 

 

 

 

- Security companies from Israel taking over in US even more spyware and AI

- Plans for Doomsday elections

- Give up liberties like 9/11 now allied with Al-Qaida in Syria and Afghanistan but civil liberties still gone.

- Indefinitely detain Americans "pre-arrest". In 2001simulations and after that many of them showing indefinitely detaining people seen as unfriendly and civil liberties taken. 

- Conspiracy theorist considered as public threat

- Global oligarchy that's why China partners with likes of Bill Gates.

- The true rulers are above nation state level and that US and China 
Mass surveillance
Attacking free speech, movement, sensorship, etc.

- Emergency powers moving towards authoritarian.

- Corporations fusing with State.

- Lots of Israelis started health companies just before this like Jared controlled a company that now controls Corona testing website.

- Bill Gates has been calling for phone tracking 'national tracking system'

- Forced vaccination

- Alex Azar and Anthrax 2001, they claimed it was from Saddam Hussein then it turned out to be from US. After they did simulations. Same people did 4 simulations last year leading to martial law, 

- Everyone home and can't protest, while they know through phones what we think. Cabin depression is documented that people in small spaces limits critical thinking.

- Restructuring economic system they have total control of who gets freedom online and who gets a check and who doesn't. 

- Once you give the state power, it is very hard to get it back. 

- Agenda of government controlled crypto currency. Controlled demolition of the economy while they control how to rebuild it.

- DARPA human brain machine interface people who are behind rna and dna vaccine. Could be available in a couple of weeks. These types of vaccines have never been used on humans where pieces of dna are fused in your body. Never been approved and nobody knows the long or short term effects, and no animal tests.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by 313 Seeker

[MuhammadFreeman]

This is proof that all the world's military might can't always save you. In America, we have a very poor recovery rate from COVID 19 compared to other countries who invest in health care. The reason they don't invest in health care or education here is because you have to earn it through military conquest in a feudalistic way through participation in plunder of the third world.

[hasanhh]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/spanish-soldiers-find-corpses-inside-nursing-home-disinfecting/story

[notme]

1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/spanish-soldiers-find-corpses-inside-nursing-home-disinfecting/story

I saw an article about this.  It is tragic how selfish some people become when they are afraid.  I hope the caretakers are jailed for it.

[The Green Knight]

 

[Haji 2003]

This is part of the reason why I have a problem reconciling Italian and Iranian Covid-19 figures. OK so there may be some Chinese workers in Iran, there may be businessmen who travel between the two countries, but Italian links with China are on a completely different scale

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An estimated 310,000 Chinese people live in Italy, accounting for 8.3% of the country’s non-EU citizens, the third largest community of foreign nationals residing in the country. More than half live in the north, with 16% residing in the provinces of Prato and Florence. Most work in the textile industry.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/mar/25/as-if-we-were-the-disease-coronavirus-brings-prejudice-for-italys-chinese-workers

[eThErEaL]

On 3/7/2020 at 1:45 AM, MartyS said:

I have a theory about the development and testing of the corona virus based on my personal experience a decade ago. I was alarmed then and am embarassed now to have said nothing before. I attended a conference sponsored by the WHO in Nice, France, gathering geriatricians from all over the world, basically to get them to endorse long-term-care facilities being built in third-world countries, and in China, where individuals who had dementia, or even genetic markers that predisposed them to getting dementia, would be involuntarily housed. (It was noted that these individuals place the greatest burden on a productive society.) These large facilities would be human testing sites for vaccines. There would be no physician in-house, and they would each be supervised by one nurse. I asked the doctor hosting the conference, "What if these people died?" He said, "It would be better for a few to die than many."

Does it seem odd that this virus is particularly lethal to the elderly and infirmed, but much less dangerous to young healthy productive members of society?

This is why there are conspiracy theories suggesting that Bill Gates, a long time supporter of depopulation, could be behind all this.  
 

My take on this is, What difference does all this make?  Whatever happens happens by the will of God, whether through the Government, or through Gates, or through whatever means, all is willed by God.  And so, trying to make our minds understand Who caused this is futile.  All we need to do is face, accept and submit to the will of God.  This is so that if and when we die, we die as submitters to Him, as martyrs.  Of course, we do our best, but we leave the rest to God..

Edited March 25, 2020 by eThErEaL

[Allah Seeker]

4 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

Whatever happens happens by the will of God

I agree with this. Allah uses bad people to punish other bad people sometimes. Like the pagans in Iraq when they went and punished the bani Israel and took them hostage to Babylon. So even if evil people are behind this "punishment", it is still from God.

It might be this that is happening:

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Could this be what is happening?

20 Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by.

21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the Earth for their sins. The Earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the Earth will conceal its slain no longer.

Isaiah 26

Honestly I am really upset with mankind, including the Shia and Suni and everyone. I feel we deserve worse than whatever is going on now, and no matter how bad it gets, we deserve worse (me included). I am such a sinner myself and a hypocrite ... I don't want to use bad language in public here, but even my mom (God rest her soul) used to call me names all the time. But insults from my mothers mouth are sweeter than praise from anyone else. I miss her

[Muhammed Ali]

On 3/7/2020 at 6:45 AM, MartyS said:

Does it seem odd that this virus is particularly lethal to the elderly and infirmed, but much less dangerous to young healthy productive members of society?

No, it's exactly what you would expect. How can the expected be considered exceptional? It would be odd if the virus killed the young and spared the old.

For you religious conspiracy theorists: Maybe God wants to kill the old so that wealth gets transferred to the young and conservative voting old people have less influence in the next elections. It's not my belief, but you can theorize in many ways.

[Haji 2003]

11 minutes ago, Muhammed Ali said:

It would be odd if the virus killed the young and spared the old.

Apparently the Spanish flu worked the other way. Bad for young people and ok for the old.

[hasanhh]

l see on ABC "Pandemic" drive-through veternarian clinical service. So people can keep safe-distance.

Several food companies are mounting plastic shields around their cashiers.

[Allah Seeker]

7 minutes ago, Muhammed Ali said:

For you religious conspiracy theorists: Maybe God wants to kill the old so that wealth gets transferred to the young

If you want to go deep into religious conspiracies then you have the Jewish tenant of "The older shall serve the younger"

This is seen on a large scale and is derived from several stories, such as Prophet Joseph not being the eldest son, who is traditionally the inheritor of prophethood. But the most "consparitorial" (I made up that word) is the story of Jacob (Israel) and his older twin brother Esau, who came out moments before Jacob, and hence was seen by his father Isaac as the inheritor of his prophethood. Then during his life he supposedly exchanged his inheritance with his younger brother for the sake of a soup. The older was a renowned hunter, while Jacob was a cunning trader and business man. Also apparently at their father's death bed, Jacob put hair on his arm and entered into his fathers presence to receive his father's blessing and spiritual initiation while pretending to be his brother Esau. After this was over Jacob left and Esau came and predictably got very upset at what happened. His father said there was nothing he could do to reverse it, and that he had to from now on serve his younger brother. Apparently their mother was complicit in this plan, because aparently she saw Jacob as more monotheistic. One used to be averted to pagan temples, while Esau used to be attracted to them. Anyway, Jacob still escaped and Esau chased him for revenge, but didn't get him. Those are stories, and I am not 100% sure of their reliability. But let me continue anyway, because that is the story that the average Jewish scholar believes in. So most of them apparently see Esau as the western Christian world, and many prominent zionist and Habad Lubuvich leaders are even talking about Trump being Esau who came back to repent and serve Jacob (the Jews). Anyway, I can go on talking about this, which is very interesting, but nobody is living and creating end-days scenarios more than the Jews today. They are really following their interpretations to the dot, and making sure that it happens. But God has His plan, and honestly I don't agree with many of their interpretations. But I do give them credit for at least outwardly worshipping one God after thousands of years, when other younger religions have lost this focus masha Allah.

[Hameedeh]

41 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Several food companies are mounting plastic shields around their cashiers.

Monday I went to a pharmacy to buy a thermometer and the cashless device to swipe your credit/debit card was located on a table in front of the counter, probably 6 feet away from the cashier. Thermometers were all sold out. I bought batteries for my radio and my computer mouse. Went to a big warehouse store and all the fancy thermometers were sold out. There were several boxes of the cheap thermometer so I bought one for less than US $5.