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11 hours ago, Guest Gamila said:

Salam

I want to know more about “awrah” of men and women. What determines what is awrah? Hadith? Quran? 
 

Only strong hadiths please and references too. Thank you!

وعليكم السلام

Both Quran and Hadith determine what is Awrah of a man and a woman.

In my madhhab, the awrah of a man is from his navel to the knees, and the awrah of a woman is her entire body with the exception of her hands, feet and face, although it is superior and mustahhab for a woman to conceal her face, and perhaps obligatory for her to do so if she is beautiful and may cause temptation.

Let me quote a Hadith:

يَا أَسْمَاءُ إِنَّ الْمَرْأَةَ إِذَا بَلَغَتِ الْمَحِيضَ لَمْ تَصْلُحْ أَنْ يُرَى مِنْهَا إِلاَّ هَذَا وَهَذَا

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O Asma', when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to his face and hands. (Sunan Abi Dawud)

Regarding feet not being in the awrah of a woman, that is actually proven from Quran, where it is implied that women display what is apparent from their beauty, meaning ornaments like anklets on their feet.

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15 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

وعليكم السلام

Both Quran and Hadith determine what is Awrah of a man and a woman.

In my madhhab, the awrah of a man is from his navel to the knees, and the awrah of a woman is her entire body with the exception of her hands, feet and face, although it is superior and mustahhab for a woman to conceal her face, and perhaps obligatory for her to do so if she is beautiful and may cause temptation.

Let me quote a Hadith:

يَا أَسْمَاءُ إِنَّ الْمَرْأَةَ إِذَا بَلَغَتِ الْمَحِيضَ لَمْ تَصْلُحْ أَنْ يُرَى مِنْهَا إِلاَّ هَذَا وَهَذَا

Regarding feet not being in the awrah of a woman, that is actually proven from Quran, where it is implied that women display what is apparent from their beauty, meaning ornaments like anklets on their feet.

This hadith is weak. And the navel to knee is nowhere to be found in the Quran. 
 

To cover the face can go against the Quran as it says women have to be known. 
 

Can you provide me with something authentic? 

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4 hours ago, Guest Gamila said:

This hadith is weak. And the navel to knee is nowhere to be found in the Quran. 
 

To cover the face can go against the Quran as it says women have to be known. 
 

Can you provide me with something authentic? 

Albani graded it Sahih.

Regarding covering the face, it is not against the Quran. The Verse you are referring to regarding recognition, if you study it in context, does not refer to personal or individual identification, but identification of belonging to a genus, namely, free Believing women.

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1 hour ago, Cherub786 said:

Albani graded it Sahih.

Regarding covering the face, it is not against the Quran. The Verse you are referring to regarding recognition, if you study it in context, does not refer to personal or individual identification, but identification of belonging to a genus, namely, free Believing women.

The khimar is also not in context and is referring to a garment and not a head piece. The whole aim of this verse is to to make women known - and thus a covering of the face is contradicting to the Quran. Also it is very undermining and dehumanising to women. Don’t make halal for something Allah made haram..
 

The hadith is weak it has been mentioned at least 100 times on this site alone that it is weak. Also how can generations of women cover because something the prophet said in private? It was not important enough to spread this word to everyone? 
 

anything authentic?

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6 hours ago, Guest Gamila said:

Also it is very undermining and dehumanising to women.

That’s your subjective opinion, it’s not a Shari proof.

6 hours ago, Guest Gamila said:

The khimar is also not in context and is referring to a garment and not a head piece.

The very definition of Khimar is head piece. That’s the linguistic definition of the word. The Quran has commanded that women use their khimar to cover their bosoms. Thus it is implied that women are to wear khimar, which is a head covering.

This is also the Sunnat al-Ma’lumah based on Amal al-Tawatur, meaning, the mass practise of Muslim ladied generation to generation, going back to the time of Sahabah رضى الله عنهم, so that is the practical interpretation of the injunction of Hijab in the Shari’ah.

You asked for something authentic, nothing can be more authentic than Amal al-Tawatur.

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8 hours ago, Guest Gamila said:

The whole aim of this verse is to to make women known - and thus a covering of the face is contradicting to the Quran.

anything authentic?

عن عروة أن عائشة قالت : لقد كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يصلي الفجر فيشهد معه نساء من المؤمنات متلفعات في مروطهن ثم يرجعن إلى بيوتهن ما يعرفهن أحد . رواه البخاري ( 365 ) ومسلم ( 645 )

It was narrated from ‘Urwah that ‘Aa’ishah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to pray Fajr and the believing women would attend (the prayer) with him, wrapped in their aprons, then they would go back to their houses and no one would recognize them.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 365; Muslim, 645.

This Hadith proves that recognition does not mean personal or individual identification, but identification as belonging to a genus.

Allah says:

یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ قُلۡ لِّاَزۡوَاجِکَ وَ بَنٰتِکَ وَ نِسَآءِ الۡمُؤۡمِنِیۡنَ یُدۡنِیۡنَ عَلَیۡہِنَّ مِنۡ جَلَابِیۡبِہِنَّ

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Ahzaab 33:59]

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