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Why are no shia moulanas speaking up about the Uyghurs

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Assalamualaikum

I noticed that many Shia Imams and Moulanas have spoken about Palestinians, Kashmiris, and even Rohingyas(from time to time), but nothing on the Uyghurs.

For maulanas and Imams in the East(Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Arab world, Muslim countries), the answer is obvious(Chinese money has bought them and if they risk talking out of line, they may harm themselves and the community as well as issues in their territory as well(namely Pakistan))

However, here in the West(US and Europe) Maulanas and Imams are saying nothing and are not calling out the Chinese government. 

I am sure there have been individual cases of Maulanas calling out the Chinese government, but I noticed complete silence amongst the majority, especially the ones in the West.

Any reason as to why Maulanas are silent on the persecution of the Uyghurs and occupation of East Turkistan(Do not call it Xinjiang, it is like calling Palestine Israel)?

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Assalamualaikum

I noticed that many Shia Imams and Moulanas have spoken about Palestinians, Kashmiris, and even Rohingyas(from time to time), but nothing on the Uyghurs.

For maulanas and Imams in the East(Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Arab world, Muslim countries), the answer is obvious(Chinese money has bought them and if they risk talking out of line, they may harm themselves and the community as well as issues in their territory as well(namely Pakistan))

However, here in the West(US and Europe) Maulanas and Imams are saying nothing and are not calling out the Chinese government. 

I am sure there have been individual cases of Maulanas calling out the Chinese government, but I noticed complete silence amongst the majority, especially the ones in the West.

Any reason as to why Maulanas are silent on the persecution of the Uyghurs and occupation of East Turkistan(Do not call it Xinjiang, it is like calling Palestine Israel)?

They are entirely invested in pushing the narrative of oppression of Palestine, in fact, there is financial motive behind that narrative. Palestinian nationalists and their allies have deep pockets, and they won’t tolerate Muslims diverting to any other oppressed group other than Palestinians. Consider that there are many Muslim groups out there that are suffering much worse than Palestinians, like the Uighurs and Rohingya as you pointed out, but also the Syrians and Yemenis.

While Assad was obliterating his own people with chemical weapons, the “Muslim media” was focused on Israel retaliating against terrorists in Gaza.

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9 minutes ago, Mahdavist said:

Why do people delegate the task of 'speaking up' to clergymen? Pretty much anyone can speak up for an issue if they think awareness is required. 

Because scholars have bigger audience  and wider circle of influence than a common man as do politicians and celebrities but people don't always expect the latter to be morally upright and take a stand for justice. Scholars esp the Shia ones are always preaching about how Imams(عليه السلام) took a stand for 'haq' and how Hazrat Zainab didn't shy away from speaking against oppression even in front of an oppressive ruler etc so it's natural people expect them to practise what they preach. 

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China is really not a friend of the Shia world, as it sells arms to UAE and Saudi Arabia like no other country, which are used to kill Shia:

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/uae-american-drones-china-ramps-sales-200919143746852.html

So China is not supported in any field by the Shia, neither against Uyghur nor against Rohingya in Myanmar - where the rebels were supported by Chinese military. It just happen that Shia run out of allies and friends.

Besides that China is communist, yet capitalist, and worse than Christian capitalist West. But what can you do? You can't fight against the whole world, Israel, India, China, USA, Wahabis, Taliban, etc.

To give an example:

During the Bosnian-Serbian war Iranian soldiers fought on the same side as Sunni-Muslim Bosnians against the Serbs. Do you know how much the Serbs now hate Iran and Hezbollah? Today the Serbs hate Shia as they hate Wahabis, and even banned Hezbollah in their country.

Any field you are fighting or start fighting someone, know that you make enemies. And Shias already made too many enemies.

Plus the Shia make all that for free. The Sunnis never even say 'Thanks' to the Shia, when they get helped, neither do the Shia expect that. At the end of the day Shia are Rafidah and deviated according their scholars, or extremists according to the West and others.

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Posted (edited)

An interesting film on China's covert camps:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/china-undercover/

https://youtu.be/wM1DjkPWtj0

 

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Uyghur Leader Rebiya Kadeer in MKO terrorists  conference against Iran & Shias in Jul 17, 2016 - Uploaded by NCRI Women’s Committee defended establishing   

" Eastern Turkistan" that is plan of new Ottomanists & wahabists  by backing  of Turkey  & KSA to establish an Islamic caliphate like ISIS/Daesh in Syria doesn't  she   know that MKO  terrorist camps in Albania are role models of Chinese concentration camps that Chinese model is like paradise in comparison with  hellish MKO  terrorist camps or she is new John Bolton of MKO  terrorist.

Rebiya Kadeer from East Turkistan, President of the World 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOCeAICaN-E

warning the following  quote is viewpoint  of terrorists not me 

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Syrian combatants sent Qassem Soleimani's forces back to Iran in their coffins. Hail to freedom and free human beings ... Rebiya Kadeer, leader of the Chinese opposition, President of the World Uyghur Congress and Noble Peace Prize ... Maryam Rajavi, a Muslim woman with Islamic values, is part of the solution.Maryam 

https://altahrir.wordpress.com/2016/07/09/report-from-the-iranian-grand-gathering-2/

Prominent Women Back Maryam Rajavi for a Free Iran ... REBIYA KADEER - President of the World Uyghur Congress and Noble

https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/images/stories/IL/on-the-path-to-a-free-iran.pdf

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiZ65b3pp3sAhWOGewKHb22C4EQFjAAegQIBRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncr-iran.org%2Fen%2Fimages%2Fstories%2FIL%2Fon-the-path-to-a-free-iran.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0KCABOX7f-Jq_bS0YQ1-Ml

 

 

 
 

 

اویغورها در کنفرانس منافقین !

video Uighur leader Rebiya Kadeer in mko conference

https://www.aparat.com/v/zmb1h

 

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Appeal to Japan for support
In May 2012, while in Tokyo for a conference engagement, Kadeer visited the Yasukuni Shrine, which is controversial because said shrine enshrines Japanese war criminals. She called on the Japanese government to support Uyghurs both financially and politically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebiya_Kadeer

 

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Here is someone who answered this on another forum,he linked a link: https://m.imgur.com/a/ezU1tCE

Here is a brittish man living in chinas take: 

I agree with him kinda, that the truth is in the middle, china has some oppression but it's not as overblown as the western media makes it out to be.

Here is my take.

 

 

A lot of the pictures and claims are false, but I know some oppression and racism takes place in the prisons(horrible treatment to some prisoners) and in some part of their territory,but the false claims go like this: mosques being destroyed or graves being destroyed or massive amounts of muslims being sent to concentration camps, etc..

A lot of these claims and pictures and videos I have noiticed, are of the same nature as the ones spread on syria during 2011-2017, when the war was full on going.

Basically the propaghanda goes like this:  
1) find a picture of someone being oppressed.
2)Claim this person is being oppressed by the people you want to demonize.
3) Hype up the picture or video.
4) Feed off the fact that people will use emotions and wont bother researching the validity of the picture or video in question.
5) Mission accomplished.


Ill give a few example of this that I can remeber from the top of my head:

1) Picture of a severly injured boy in syria by assads forces. - by an fsa member on facebook

Turn out the picture is of a palestinian after an israeli white phosphurous bomb.


2) Picture of a uyugur muslim in a concentration camp after a beating. - some random guy who supports the uygur apparently

Turns out it is an incident that the bbc covered in 2003 about some messed up treatment in an asylum.

3) Picture of iranians protesting against the iranian govt- by cnn

Turns out they are a pro iranian governement rally if you could read the basic farsi on the signs of the people doing the rally in the picture.

Obviously cnn knows americans are illiterate to farsi so they mess with them.

4)Picture of massive uigur group being sent to prison-bbc

Turns out it's a group of policemen doing their duties because at the back of their jackets it's written police.

By the way, the irony of this is even some western media outlets are admitting that these pictures are lies, now obviously france24 is with the westerm govt so they will try and say "but this is very real!!!" or something like that. But the fact that some people are spreading false pictures and videos on this, shows that some people are really desperate to spread this on the internet.

This is the link to france 24 saying this: https://observers.france24.com/en/20200103-how-fake-images-uighur-persecution-are-hurting-cause

The funniest thing about this uigur situation is this reddit user who said she was tortured in a uigur camp and escaped and all this typical stuff but was later found to be some fraud who worked at guantanamo bay, the witch worked for a muslim concentration camp: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/&ved=2ahUKEwjMqO__2I_sAhVrpnIEHd_XAxEQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw2vwEByoV2GVnTUiHHxtdSs

Look up the replies, she got called out as an american asset.She is so crazy, she said that "muslims were treated respectfully in guantanamo bay" :hahaha:.

 

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On 9/20/2020 at 7:34 AM, Mohammad313Ali said:

It looks like western propaganda for obvious reasons, you can see that the photos used to depict the Uyghurs are either very old and have no relation to the incidents being reported and the fact of the matter is there are issues of extremism in certain groups within the Uyghurs that are being held in detainment camps to address their fanatic (isis) ideology and to deter any potential terror attacks that have been shown to be a high possibility, due to planning and their failure within Iraq and Syria is pushing them to do something in China. There are even Uyghur who are raising their voices on tik tok saying everything is fine, you can also see very relevant photos/videos depicting the comfortable situation of Chinese Muslims. As of now I am yet to see anything convincing and I believe this is just the west pushing a narrative to serve its agenda. For example, the recent case with the Iranian wrestler where even sport committees raised there voices and it turned out that he was a murderer.

Nailed it like a boss.

 

Free education, residence and food = persecution

OR

Guanotanamo Bay water boarding etc treatment = heaven?

The Chinese have opted for the most human discourse anybody could imagine imo. Free food and free education for trouble makers. All you capitalistic imperialistic china hating folks who mention bread lines and gulags dont let that sink in to sleep properly at night.

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1 hour ago, The Green Knight said:

Free food and free education for trouble makers.

I agree it is problematic to forcefully feed and ideologically impose certain beliefs, however, it isn't at the scale which is being reported and as of now it appears to be focused mainly on those who hold extreme fanatic beliefs which are threatening the stability of their community.

1 hour ago, The Green Knight said:

All you capitalistic imperialistic china hating folks who mention bread lines and gulags dont let that sink in to sleep properly at night.

The issue isn't who is mentioning it and who is doing the persecution/hating it's more so with painting a skewed image which is either hyperbole or far from the fact of the matter and relying on emotional outbursts to further a specific agenda.

Both the communists and capitalists have had their fare share of persecuting, however, we should condemn based on clear evidence as opposed to agenda driven rhetoric under the guise of a humanitarian crisis.

BTW, I am not very good with innuendos. :dry:

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8 hours ago, Mohammad313Ali said:

 

Both the communists and capitalists have had their fare share of persecuting, however, we should condemn based on clear evidence as opposed to agenda driven rhetoric under the guise of a humanitarian crisis.

Sadly all the medias info is this exactly " agenda driven rethoric" and people fall for it because it makes them emotional.

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