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I told you all! (Situation in Pakistan)

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6 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

They’re losing the international media war for one thing – badly I might add.

I’ve seen Chinese people here in Canada struggle with speaking English, unlike South Asians. It doesn’t help that their mother tongue isn’t an Indo-European language either. This also explains why most Arabs have difficulty learning and speaking English too.

I wouldn't say that they area losing the media war, but that is a very subjective matter. Without getting too much into this, as it seems off topic, I think that the Chinese are fortunate to have maintained their own language and identity, without having been too influenced by outside cultures. Canadians also struggle when they go to China with the Chinese language.

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2 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

Why didn’t sayyidina Ali رضى الله عنه object to the Ridda Wars if they were illegal?

Would they have listened? They didnt listen to him on Fadak and his claim to the caliphate, did they?

2 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

And here’s the final nail in your coffin: Never mind objecting to the Ridda wars, why did sayyidina Ali al-Murtada رضى الله عنه actually participate in these wars under the order and authority of his Imam, sayyidina Abi Bakr as-Siddiq رضى الله عنه?


You keep insisting on nailing my coffin but never do.

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18 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

If the British didn’t divide us, Muslims would have a weak religious identity and would be nearly Hinduized.

Nah, then Muslims would have had a much stronger identity in India. Muslims had a strong present in India before the British and coexisted with Hindus and Sikhs.

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3 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

Nah, then Muslims would have had a much stronger identity in India. Muslims had a strong present in India before the British and coexisted with Hindus and Sikhs.

The majority of Muslims in India were what we call in Urdu kachchay Musalman “half-baked Muslims”

Their practise of Islam was syncretic, meaning it was heavily mixed with Hindu beliefs and practises. Thanks to British policy, Muslims were encouraged to become more distinct and consolidate themselves as a separate nation, otherwise, Muslims were keeping Hindu names, having Hindu marriage customs and rituals, praying in both mosques and Hindu temples, dressing like Hindus, and virtually indistinguishable from Hindus in appearance and customs.

In such a pathetic condition, obviously Muslims were coexisting with Hindus and Sikhs because there was pretty much no distinction between them. Only when Muslims began Islamizing did they realize coexistence with Hindus and Sikhs would never be practical. All credit goes to the British.

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On 9/16/2020 at 4:07 PM, Revert1963 said:

Who was Umar married to? two women from the bani Umayyah. Who was it that placed abi Sufyans children in positions of power? I think he was called Uthman, wasn't he?
I might toss in an excuse for abu Bakr. He was a person that was easily swayed as in the case of Fadak where he at first admitted that the prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) gave the land to his daughter Fatima Zarah(عليه السلام) but as soon as Umar heard of that he put an end to that. Abu Bakr was pretty much under the influence of Umar.
How did Umar convert? was he sincere in his heart? well He was in with the abi Sufyan lot and he had decided to kill the prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) :dwarf:    :woot:   But what happened then? He met someone, Nu'aym ibn Abdullah, who had converted in secret and when Umar told him where he was going and what he was going to do, the man told Umar that he better go back an check with his own family. Umar rushed back only to learn that his sister and brother in law had converted to Islam. Umar was furious and beat up his sister, but he stoped by the sight of his sisters blood. The he gave it a thought and decided to convert also. Umar did not convert out of conviction, but out of loyalty to his family. This is all in Ibn Ishaq, so I am not making it up.

Abi Sufyan had been against the prophet from the very beginning. He was instrumental in the conflicts of Badr, of Uhud and the trench. abi Sufyan and his sons did not convert until the Muslim armies conquered Mecca. Only two years before the death of the prophet. So how convinced do you really think they where when they converted? They did not have any other choice unless they would have chosen martyrdom which they wouldn't. They had a lot of property in Sham that they didn't want to lose. Umar later send them to conquer Al Sham because they had property there and connections and they build it into their power base from where they would later rule the Khalifa.

You may revere the Rashidoon Caliphs, but Umar and Uthman was in cahoots with abi Sufyan and conspired with abi Sufyan and his children to grasp power, use the Muminin as "cannon fodder" and create their empire. I will give you so much that this may have been necessary in order to spread Islam, but that doesn't change that those who ran the Khalifa except for Imam Ali(عليه السلام) was not good Muslims. In fact they was the polytheists of Mecca.

The Ahl Ul Bayt on the other hand was different. Ali ibn abu Talib(عليه السلام) was the first male convert to Islam and the most pious an knowledgeable after the prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) Fatima Zarah bint Mohammad(عليه السلام) was the second convert after her mother Khadija and the most pious and knowledgeable of the Muslim women. She even gave Khutba's and she was teaching Islam. What better lineage could there be to transmit the Sunnah of the prophet? It is through their of spring the Sunna of the prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)  has been preserved. Without the Ahl ul Bayt there would have been no Islam.

The 2x great grandson of Iman Ali(عليه السلام) and Fatima Zarah and the 3x great grandson of the prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) Imam Jafar Al Sadiq(عليه السلام) is the source of both Sunni and Shia Fiqh. He founded the Jafari Madhab. It was pupils of his, Imam Abū Ḥanīfa and Imam Malik ibn Anas that founded the two Sunni madhabs Hanifi Madhab and Maliki Madhab. A third student of his Sufyan al-Thawri went on to found his own Madhab, that didn't really catch on. A fourth student of his Grand Shaykh Mawlana Tayfur Bayazid Bastami went on to found the Naqshbandi Sufi Tariqa.
The two remaining Sunni Madhabs, the Shafi Madhab and the Hanbali Madhab evolved from the Maliki Madhab. So even Sunni Islam owe it's fiqh, theology and mysticism to the progeny of the prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).

@Cherub786 Why did you choose to ignore this historically accurate piece written by Brother/Sister Revert?

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Pakistan: Allama Arif Wahidi calls for strengthening inter sectarian harmony


He emphasized the need to stay vigilant and alert against the conspiracies. He said global imperialistic powers were trying to weaken Pakistan.

Allama Wahidi slammed those fanning sectarianism and division as fifth column who are betraying Pakistan, let alone Islam.

He said that sectarianism could harm Pakistan the most; therefore, he called working for strengthening of inter-sectarian harmony a great service to Pakistan.

The SUC leader reminded the MYC that lauding Umayyad tyranny and disseminating divisive hate mongering narrative amounts to deviation from very ideology of Pakistan.

At the end, MYC meeting expressed solidarity with oppressed Palestinians and Kashmiris.

They condemned and rejected blasphemous remarks against Bibi Fatima Zahra, the daughter of Prophet Muhammad (PBUT) and other sacred figures.


Senior Shia cleric 'Allama Raja Nasir' asks polity, establishment to end confrontation for sake of Pakistan


Hence, he urged the government, opposition and the establishment to bury their differences and work together to save Pakistan.

MWM leader reminded them of rapidly changing landscape of global and regional geopolitical and geostrategic landscape.

He said that on the one hand, (U.S.-led loc) is encircling and harming Russia and Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict came the latest move that side.

On the other, enemies are threatening China; particularly in South China sea and in its neighbouring.

But he also alerted that the enemies cannot accomplish this conspiracy of disintegration without harming Pakistan.

He also expressed his feelings about sharing some time with TMQ people. He said he was feeling himself among his own family and relatives.

MWM leader said he never felt stranger among TMQ people.

He recalled that he and his party MWM had supported oppressed TMQ when former Punjab government had ordered brutal police action against them at the same venue he was addressing at.



Top Pakistani Shi'ite Cleric: Shia Islam recognize infallible leaders as per order of Prophet Mohammad

Hafiz Riaz Hussain Najafi said that only Shia Islam recognizes leadership of infallible from among Ahlul Bayt (PBUT) whom Prophet Mohammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) had himself introduced.

He said that at Ghadir, Prophet Mohammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) had formally announced who would lead faithful after him (as Maula).

Moreover, he also called for reforms within Islamic oratory and preaching style.

He said Islamic preachers and orators should attract and convince people through factual and logical arguments.


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Pakistan: Anti-Shia terrorist attack in Dera Ismail Khan, one martyred another injured (+Photos)


AhlulBayt News Agency (ABNA): A Shia Muslim martyred in terrorist attack in Dera Ismail Khan, while another sustained critical wounds.

Terrorists of outlawed Sipah Sahaba (ASWJ-Rah-e-Haq Party) targeted Shia Muslims at Gali Qureshan Wali near Ghas Mandi.

They opened fire at Safdar Abbas and Masjood Mehdi.

Resultantly, Safdar Abbas embraced martyrdom, while Masjood Mehdi has undergone treatment at hospital.

Due to this Saudi Wahhabi ideology, allied Deobandi terrorists of Sipah Sahaba Lashkar Jhangvi (ASWJ) of Aurangzeb Farooqui and Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi also follow that ideology of hate.

On the other hand, people believe terrorism and extremism in Pakistan cannot end due to Saudi monarchy’s meddling.


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