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42 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

At one place, you say that talking about peace and harmony and unity is not good. At other place you say that "these maniacs who bomb Shias everywhere should not get a punch in the face."

Never said any of these. I have always always said, people of different sects and religions should coexist without violence without comprising on their beliefs. I tolerate 'as salatu khairum minan naum' every morning and hours of taraweeh kerfuffle the whole ramazan. They should tolerate Ziyarat e Ashura and Muharram processions and all muslim should tolerate Christmas festivities. This isn't that complicated? We don't want another Yemen, Syria or Lebanon here so neither Saudi nor Iranian influence should be tolerated. Our allegiance should be towards the Imam Zaman(عليه السلام) which does not translate to loyalty to Iran or Iraq or any other country.

I felt you would be more cognizant of different religious groups living together based on where you live but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

49 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

Maybe Maulana Ali Reza Rizvi should shut up. Who will stay?

Why should he stop? He is one of the politest and most humble scholars. He regularly meets up with sunni scholars, have escorted them on visits to Karbala and Najaf. As far as I know him he is equally respectful towards all shias, regardless of whether they are pro Iran or not, which is a world apart from the Pro WF pakistani ulema who do not shy away from giving harsh comments for those shias not following WF or iranian political ideology. 

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1 hour ago, Sabrejet said:

@ZainuuThere are schools and howzas in Pakistan that have sprung up over the last few decades that kowtow a hard form of WF. We have student organizations and volunteer groups that are very much pro WF. We've had some scholars study from howzas where the "Regime" is favoured; and they disseminate there views here.

You might be wondering why we say as if that's a bad thing. Theoretically, it's not; as Twelvers, we appreciate the fact that there is one single country on Earth where shias are a majority; a country which follows Jafari law more than any country has ever followed before.

Thing is, it seems that they give the impression that they speak for Twelvers all over the world; that they somehow have authority over us. We don't necessarily agree with that. We also disagree with a lot of their policies; one of them is their extreme form of "unity". We especially don't appreciate it when they try to enforce their version of "unity" upon us, as if we are kindergartners that need to be taught and disciplined. Brother, you know that true unity is in our blood; we have been living side by side with Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians for centuries.

"Unity" is sort of necessary in Iraq and Lebanon, where armed resistance groups comprising both shias and sunnis are crucial for fighting against salafi terrorists. It's necessary in Syria, where there is an odd combination of an Alevi government ruling a sunni majority. However, the reality is a bit different in Pakistan; something that most pro-unity people don't seem to get judging from some past threads on this forum.

Pro-Regime, pro-unity scholars were strangely absent in the protests when those Hazara miners were martyred. In the past, they have often given importance to "what will the sunnis say", instead of standing for the shias. That doesn't seem to paint a very pretty picture in our minds about the Regimes obvious, well-intentioned, but misguided attempts to influence us as they see it, whether through "funding" or otherwise.

Brother I agree with you and I know that by 'pro-WF', what kind you are talking about. That's right. But my argument is that these so-called 'pro-WF' are self-proclaimed in reality. Main stream WF of Iran is not bringing them ahead and supporting them. There are no 'funding' coming for them. 

And as of following WF and interpretation of Imam Khomeini's struggle, there are different versions itself in Pakistan.

Allama Shehanshah Naqvi gives it a different look. Maulana Ali Reza Rizvi has a different approach and in just this way some are there who are really extreme with this. 

They are actually harming the idea of WF. They are misrepresenting it. 

Even the most genuine and remarkable WF scholars have stepped aside from it's extreme parts. For eg, Sayyid Nasrallah said in 1990s that they have an objective to bring WF to Lebanon. But later they dropped this aim and brought them close to the Lebanese atmosphere. Same goes with Iraq.

So, that is a problem. 

And I completely agree that 'Unity' is not something to be promoted in the sub-continent. But rather it should be defended. Even in the majlis of Allama Nasir Abbas (who was not even with Marjiyya, let alone WF), Shias and Sunnis used to sit altogether. So, correct.

But atleast we should agree with the other ideas of WF. Like the idea of making shias 'self-sufficient' and providing them with there own system so that they don't remain dependent on Taghut. Not completely, but to some extent we should do that.

And regarding the massacres, the silence of these so called 'pro WF scholars' is similar to the silence of those scholars in Iran before revolution for whom Imam Khomeini used a very harsh language. 

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44 minutes ago, starlight said:

This isn't that complicated? We don't want another Yemen, Syria or Lebanon here so neither Saudi nor Iranian influence should be tolerated. Our allegiance should be towards the Imam Zaman(عليه السلام) which does not translate to loyalty to Iran or Iraq or any other country.

Actually when we say 'Iranian influence', we only see a tug of war. We only see Iran vs Saudi. 

Imagine sister, we are in the time of Imam Ali (عليه السلام) and Muawiya. Wasn't taking a side a right thing?

If we talk about Yemen, Syria, Lebanon etc, wasn't that 'Iranian influence' that protected the roza of Hazrat Zainab (عليه السلام)?

These terror groups roaming freely in Pakistan need an answer. It is they who are attacking us. It is they who want to eliminate us. So, we shias should now become capable enough to answer them back. And therefore, we need to develop some self-sufficiency. Is it wrong? Does that translate to Iranian influence? No. And when we will try to achieve this, they will attack us by all means. And hence it will become bloody and then it would appear like a 'proxy war between Iran and Saudi.' 

So, I disagree with this influence theory. Whereever we see Sunni Shia fights we paint it as if Iran is doing it. mashallah.

Iran came in Syria in 2014 while the region where Hazrat Zainab's shrine is, was already captured at that time. Now, we call Syrain war a proxy war? ISIS was ruling 1/3rd of Iraq in 2014. Iran came late but they helped Iraq. Now, we call it a proxy war?

1 hour ago, starlight said:

Why should he stop? He is one of the politest and most humble scholars. He regularly meets up with sunni scholars, have escorted them on visits to Karbala and Najaf. As far as I know him he is equally respectful towards all shias, regardless of whether they are pro Iran or not, which is a world apart from the Pro WF pakistani ulema who do not shy away from giving harsh comments for those shias not following WF or iranian political ideology. 

Absolutely agree. But he is pro WF. His understanding is just a bit different. That is why I find him good. He is against the Shirazis too. I know that because he adviced my relatives about the channels they should avoid that are related to Shirazis. 

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1 minute ago, Zainuu said:

we are in the time of Imam Ali (عليه السلام) and Muawiya.

when we have an Imam(عليه السلام) we will take sides. 

 

2 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

These terror groups roaming freely in Pakistan need an answer. It is they who are attacking us. It is they who want to eliminate us. So, we shias should now become capable enough to answer them back.

No. That's not the answer. We cannot pick up arms here. 

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Just now, starlight said:

No. That's not the answer. We cannot pick up arms here. 

Yes. We cannot. But we can do many other things right. Regardless of armed or unarmed, we need a movement to strengthen our position in the region and make us firm.

2 minutes ago, starlight said:

when we have an Imam(عليه السلام) we will take sides

Yes, When we don't have Imam (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) we will follow the knowledgeable intellectual scholars who are bringing to us the religion and message of Islam. Whatever it is. We will still not sit neutral. 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless you and all our Pakistani brothers from these Yazids of the time. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) protect our greaTV scholar Maulana Ali Reza Rizvi from the clutches of Taghut.

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) hasten the reappearance.

Wassalam.

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I have a question, for the Shia's who can't choose to implement the Government of the Jurists or Jurists due to them Not Having a Majority in the Region the reside. - Why are they divided- in their respective regions ? 

Why is this even an issue that concerns them ? They have nothing else to do except to be a part of irans internal political issue. Sound like people either got too much time on their hands or something else. 

Just very curious. 

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