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42 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Lots of lands are the original homeland of someone.

The Zionist claim is that Palestine is still theirs.

Some Muslims agree with the Zionists and refer to the passages that you have done.

But that's not the full story.

As long as you acknowledge Palestine as the original homeland of the Jewish people, that's all that matters and the debate is settled.

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I hate the UAE, but peace agreements and normalization with the State of Israel is a good thing. My own country (Pakistan) should follow suit.

I think we should start discussing a UAE boycott. Any Arab or Muslim country who makes formal relations with Israel is a traitor to Islam and to their own people. Anyone, or any group who forcibly exp

Prime Minister Netanyahu already visited Oman in 2018, and they already have de facto relations with Israel. I believe, in general, this is a good trend and more Muslim countries should recognize

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I think a decent argument can be made that Jews are no longer the Banu Isra'il mentioned in the Qur'an, think of all the conversions and mixed marriages that they've had over the centuries. Apart from the Cohens and Levis the rest don't have any idea what their tribal roots are so their claim to want to settle the land of their forefathers is tenuous.

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2 hours ago, Ali_Hussain said:

I think a decent argument can be made that Jews are no longer the Banu Isra'il mentioned in the Qur'an, think of all the conversions and mixed marriages that they've had over the centuries. Apart from the Cohens and Levis the rest don't have any idea what their tribal roots are so their claim to want to settle the land of their forefathers is tenuous.

The Quran recognizes the Jews of Arabia as Bani Israel, despite the fact that they too didn't have their lineages intact. Genetic studies on Jews, both Ashkenazi and Sephardic, conclude that they are a Middle Eastern people and genetically very similar to other Middle Eastern peoples of the region.

The caste of Sadat (Sayyids) especially those in the Indian subcontinent, based on genetic studies, have a very weak claim to being primarily of Arabian stock. Genetic studies actually show they have much more prevalence of Indian in them. Yet we recognize them as Sayyids anyways, although if they are actually descendants of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, they obviously intermarried to a massive degree.

In summary, the Jews of Europe have a stronger claim to being descendants of the pre-exilic Jews than the Sayyids of India, Pakistan being descendants of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, although the gap between the former is wider than in the latter (2000 years since the exile, and 1400-1500 years since the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم)

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3 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

The Quran recognizes the Jews of Arabia as Bani Israel, despite the fact that they too didn't have their lineages intact. Genetic studies on Jews, both Ashkenazi and Sephardic, conclude that they are a Middle Eastern people and genetically very similar to other Middle Eastern peoples of the region.

The caste of Sadat (Sayyids) especially those in the Indian subcontinent, based on genetic studies, have a very weak claim to being primarily of Arabian stock. Genetic studies actually show they have much more prevalence of Indian in them. Yet we recognize them as Sayyids anyways, although if they are actually descendants of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, they obviously intermarried to a massive degree.

In summary, the Jews of Europe have a stronger claim to being descendants of the pre-exilic Jews than the Sayyids of India, Pakistan being descendants of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, although the gap between the former is wider than in the latter (2000 years since the exile, and 1400-1500 years since the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم)

Allah doesn't favour oppressors. If the Israelites once had claim to Palestine, it was because of them following the prophets of their time. Thats no longer the case. Jews have no claim to Palestine. Quds belongs to the followers of the messengers of Allah, which are the muslims and in reality Shia's. Your analysis of ethnicity is irrelevant when it comes to what Allah wants.

Israel is a parasitic entity with goals of achieving Greater Israel. It's not about them having a small nation of Palestine, but their desire to expand. This was the main reason for the Islamic revolution in Iran, and placing Hizbollah as gate keepers at Palestine's door steps. All the fitnas that are occurring in the western asia are due to Israel, and its goal of weakening the Shia resistance.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

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Allah doesn't favour oppressors. If the Israelites once had claim to Palestine, it was because of them following the prophets of their time. Thats no longer the case. Jews have no claim to Palestine. Quds belongs to the followers of the messengers of Allah, which are the muslims and in reality Shia's. Your analysis of ethnicity is irrelevant when it comes to what Allah wants.

Israel is a parasitic entity with goals of achieving Greater Israel. It's not about them having a small nation of Palestine, but their desire to expand. This was the main reason for the Islamic revolution in Iran, and placing Hizbollah as gate keepers at Palestine's door steps. All the fitnas that are occurring in the western asia are due to Israel, and its goal of weakening the Shia resistance.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

We cannot quote our interpretation of the Quran to make a legal argument on an international level on why we may think the Jewish people have no right to live in Palestine. I merely mentioned the Quran to confirm that it too recognizes the land of Palestine as the historical homeland of the Jewish people.

So based on universal, international standards, the Jewish people have every right to establish a state in their historic homeland. No one questions if France is the homeland of the ethnic French, if Italy is the homeland of the Italians, Greece homeland of the Greeks, Spain homeland of the Spanish, Egypt homeland of the Egyptians, and so on and so forth. Why is it any different for Palestine being the homeland of the Jews? The only reason I can think of is anti-Semitism.

Furthermore, though the Quran may possibly teach that the Mosaic Covenant has been abrogated, it does not teach nor does it follow that the Jewish people must be expelled from their ancestral homeland of Palestine.

"Greater Israel" is a conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality. It is another example of a typical, anti-Semitic meme that is flourishing in the dark underbelly of the internet.

I contend that most of the problems in Western Asia, or the Middle East, specifically the Levant, are due to Iran's expansionism, its financing of terrorist proxies like Hizbullah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Ansarullah (Houthis), and extremist militias in Iraq. Compared to Iran, the State of Israel is an innocent little Angel.

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Iran's Velayati: Israeli-UAE deal betrays Palestinian cause

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In a statement on Saturday, Velayati referred to the recent agreement between UAE and the Zionist regime as betraying the Islamic countries and a blatant disregard for the Palestinian cause.

He went on to say that the consequences of such a shameful act will be nothing but isolation and the alienation from the Islamic countries.

Velayati further urged the Islamic countries to reject such an outrageous act and make all their efforts to assist the Palestinian nation.

The move has ignited international outcry. The Iranian Foreign Ministry vehemently condemned the move, calling it an instance of “strategic folly” that will only end up strengthening the regional resistance front.

https://en.abna24.com/news//irans-velayati-israeli-uae-deal-betrays-palestinian-cause_1062974.html

FM Zarif reaffirms Iran's support for struggles of Palestinian people

https://en.abna24.com/news//fm-zarif-reaffirms-irans-support-for-struggles-of-palestinian-people_1062975.html

Iran's Judiciary chief calls for forming an international Islamic court

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He added that those who support economic terrorism and make it difficult for the people to live have to stand trial at a fair international court.

He also touched upon the normalizing of relations between the UAE government and the Zionist regime, saying, “we do not regard the connection between the UAE and Israel as one made by the UAE people but as a connection made by unaware rulers of that country".

https://en.abna24.com/news//irans-judiciary-chief-calls-for-forming-an-international-islamic-court_1062980.html

Iran's Armed Forces condemns UAE-Israeli tie normalization

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The defense remains in place and the geography of the Islamic World and the Axis of Resistance are still the targets of poisonous arrows fired by the United States, Zionist regime and some reactionary figures in the region, the statement added.

While condemning the shameful and disgraceful move taken by the UAE sheikhdom in normalizing relations with the Zionist regime, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran emphasized, "The history will remember the betrayal to the Palestinian cause and the oppressed people of this country.

https://en.abna24.com/news//irans-armed-forces-condemns-uae-israeli-tie-normalization_1062982.html

Israel, UAE deal: What hath Netanyahu wrought?

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By J. Michael Springmann

The US, Israel and the UAE doing Satan’s work? According to the Washington Post, Binyamin Netanyahu has produced a minor miracle.  As the paper noted on August 14, "...it unites Israel with a powerful Persian Gulf ally of Washington that shares the view of Iran as an enemy."  The newspaper, notably anti-Trump, nevertheless, quoted him as saying "By uniting two of America's closest and most capable partners in the region--something which [was] said could  not be done--this deal is a significant step towards building a more peaceful, secure, and prosperous Middle East..."

 But, buried farther on in the story, all was not sweetness and light.  The Palestinian Authority (PA), nominally governing the Occupied West Bank, "condemned the accord as betrayal."  Furthermore, it termed the agreement as "aggression against the Palestinian people."  Speaking the naked truth, the PA said that neither the UAE nor any other party had a right to speak on behalf of Palestine.  It then withdrew its ambassador to the UAE in protest.  (The Post did not mention Hamas' sharply negative reaction until farther on, even though it governs all Gaza.).....

https://en.abna24.com/news//israel-uae-deal-what-hath-netanyahu-wrought_1062994.html

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11 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

 

يَـٰقَوْمِ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ ٱلْأَرْضَ ٱلْمُقَدَّسَةَ ٱلَّتِى كَتَبَ ٱللَّـهُ لَكُمْ

(Prophet Moses) said: "O (my) people! Enter the Holy Land which Allah has written for you" (5:21)

وَقُلْنَا مِنۢ بَعْدِهِۦ لِبَنِىٓ إِسْرَٰٓءِيلَ ٱسْكُنُوا۟ ٱلْأَرْضَ

And We said after it to the children of Israel: "Dwell in the Land" (17:104)

 And We conveyed to the Children of Israel in the Scripture that, "You will surely cause corruption on the earth twice, and you will surely reach [a degree of] great haughtiness. (4) So when the [time of] promise came for the first of them, We sent against you servants of Ours - those of great military might, and they probed [even] into the homes, and it was a promise fulfilled. (5) Then We gave back to you a return victory over them. And We reinforced you with wealth and sons and made you more numerous in manpower (6) [And said], "If you do good, you do good for yourselves; and if you do evil, [you do it] to yourselves." Then when the final promise came, [We sent your enemies] to sadden your faces and to enter the temple in Jerusalem, as they entered it the first time, and to destroy what they had taken over with [total] destruction. (7)

http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/17:1

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 And We conveyed to the Children of Israel in the Scripture that, "You will surely cause corruption on the earth twice, and you will surely reach [a degree of] great haughtiness. (4) So when the [time of] promise came for the first of them, We sent against you servants of Ours - those of great military might, and they probed [even] into the homes, and it was a promise fulfilled. (5) Then We gave back to you a return victory over them. And We reinforced you with wealth and sons and made you more numerous in manpower (6) [And said], "If you do good, you do good for yourselves; and if you do evil, [you do it] to yourselves." Then when the final promise came, [We sent your enemies] to sadden your faces and to enter the temple in Jerusalem, as they entered it the first time, and to destroy what they had taken over with [total] destruction. (7)

http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/17:1

The verses you quoted are predictive statements (which were historically fulfilled in the Babylonian destruction of the Temple in the 6th century BCE and the Roman destruction of the Temple in the 1st century CE), not commands to the Muslims to expel the Jews from Palestine

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6 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

The caste of Sadat (Sayyids) especially those in the Indian subcontinent, based on genetic studies, have a very weak claim to being primarily of Arabian stock. Genetic studies actually show they have much more prevalence of Indian in them. Yet we recognize them as Sayyids anyways, although if they are actually descendants of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, they obviously intermarried to a massive degree.

 

The following genetic study would disagree with what you have said.

If, as the researchers below are claiming, there was a greater prevalence of Hindu girls assimilating into Shia Islam (in comparison to Sunnis), it is easily possible that those Sayyid Shia men could pass on their Sayyidness through their lineage.

It would be interesting to see which genetic studies you are referring to.

 

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In particular, although both Indo-Muslim groups exhibit a high level of mtDNA admixture with the indigenous Indian populations, the Indo-Shia exhibits a substantially larger Middle East Y-chromo- some component than the Indo-Sunni (which may have been the Muslim sect featured in Rosser et al., 2000). These findings may reflect the much greater assimilation of Indian females versus males into the Indo-Shia sect.

Terreros, M.C., Rowold, D., Luis, J.R., Khan, F., Agrawal, S. and Herrera, R.J., 2007. North Indian Muslims: enclaves of foreign DNA or Hindu converts?. American Journal of Physical Anthropology: The Official Publication of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, 133(3), pp.1004-1012.

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2 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

So based on universal, international standards, the Jewish people have every right to establish a state in their historic homeland. No one questions if France is the homeland of the ethnic French,

It's a false comparison.

People would certainly have very strong concerned if a few thousand years from now Quebecois Canadians suddenly decided to go back to France as a matter of birthright.

 

2 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

I merely mentioned the Quran to confirm that it too recognizes the land of Palestine as the historical homeland of the Jewish people.

Well yes, no one denies that historical fact.

The difference is whether that confers upon anyone claiming to be Jewish the right to emigrate to Israel. 

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1 minute ago, Haji 2003 said:

It's a false comparison.

People would certainly have very strong concerned if a few thousand years from now Quebecois Canadians suddenly decided to go back to France as a matter of birthright.

On the contrary, it is your comparison that is quite false. For one thing, the Quebecois were not exiled from France, they settled in Quebec voluntarily. Secondly, the Quebecois were never persecuted or suffered pogroms and a Holocaust, where the logical need would arise for them to have their own State or return to their original homeland.

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18 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

The verses you quoted are predictive statements (which were historically fulfilled in the Babylonian destruction of the Temple in the 6th century BCE and the Roman destruction of the Temple in the 1st century CE), not commands to the Muslims to expel the Jews from Palestine

It's a prophecy in sunni sources that accustomed to prophet  Muhammad (pbu) that muslims will attack to Jews that occupied Quds that based sunni narrations  only planting Gharqad tree will save life of current  occupiers of Quds.:grin: that there is same narration in shia sources but Gharqad tree story doesn't mentioned  in shia hadiths but confirms attack of muslims to Israel from both shia & sunni sources that in shia hadiths nothing  like Gharqad tree won't save Zionists from raiding of muslims to Israel.

The Planting and Importance of Gharqad Tree is Coming Now

Israelis: Are you planting the Gharqad tree?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJaBZ2v-LcE

 

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2 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

On the contrary, it is your comparison that is quite false. For one thing, the Quebecois were not exiled from France, they settled in Quebec voluntarily.

So based on this logic the French Huguenots who left France as a result of persecution should now have a right to go back?

 

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Secondly, the Quebecois were never persecuted or suffered pogroms and a Holocaust,

So the Palestinians should pay for the crimes of the Europeans?

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1 hour ago, Cherub786 said:

We cannot quote our interpretation of the Quran to make a legal argument on an international level on why we may think the Jewish people have no right to live in Palestine. I merely mentioned the Quran to confirm that it too recognizes the land of Palestine as the historical homeland of the Jewish people.

So based on universal, international standards, the Jewish people have every right to establish a state in their historic homeland. No one questions if France is the homeland of the ethnic French, if Italy is the homeland of the Italians, Greece homeland of the Greeks, Spain homeland of the Spanish, Egypt homeland of the Egyptians, and so on and so forth. Why is it any different for Palestine being the homeland of the Jews? The only reason I can think of is anti-Semitism.

Furthermore, though the Quran may possibly teach that the Mosaic Covenant has been abrogated, it does not teach nor does it follow that the Jewish people must be expelled from their ancestral homeland of Palestine.

"Greater Israel" is a conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality. It is another example of a typical, anti-Semitic meme that is flourishing in the dark underbelly of the internet.

I contend that most of the problems in Western Asia, or the Middle East, specifically the Levant, are due to Iran's expansionism, its financing of terrorist proxies like Hizbullah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Ansarullah (Houthis), and extremist militias in Iraq. Compared to Iran, the State of Israel is an innocent little Angel.

Palestine is a religious issue, not ethnic. It was a religious issue when prophet Moses was leading the Israelis towards it, and it is now. Under the laws of Allah, the jews will have a place there as well once liberated from the zionists. 

Greater Israel is not a conspiracy theory, it's a reality that the zionists have been working toward in a very overt manner since the last century. White washing it will not help your cause, not will your simplistic understanding of Iran's role in the region. The plans for greater israel is religious in nature (Nile to Euphrates), and were planned out by Zionists leaders all the way back to early 20th century. Are we going to pretend 2006 expansionist attempt by israel didn't occur? where they were stopped by Hezbollah. 

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Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.”  According to Rabbi Fischmann,  “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

It's quite simple, from the onset of September 11 false flag attacks ( are you going to deny that too? ), the zionists made a direct attempt to take over the middle east, first directly through the US military as part of new middle east, which failed, then Israel expansion attempt in 2006, which also failed, then through Wahabis (Isis) which also failed. Now here we are, with the "deal of the century" attempt and normalizing the relations strategy.  

https://www.globalresearch.ca/deal-century-revealed-reviled/5702940

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3 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

So based on this logic the French Huguenots who left France as a result of persecution should now have a right to go back?

 

So the Palestinians should pay for the crimes of the Europeans?

Do the French Huguenots exist as a nation? The Jews are indisputably a nation. The same argument that we Muslims, under the leadership of the Muslim League, presented to prove that Muslims of India are a nation for the purpose of creating Pakistan, is ten times more applicable to the Jewish people.

The "Palestinians" did not exist as an identity until very recently, after 1948. Before that they were simply Arabs, the same people as the people of Syria and Lebanon.

The blunder of the Arabs was in rejecting the original UN partition plan of Palestine to create parallel Arab and Jewish states in that territory. There was never an independent Arab state of Palestine in history. Before 1948, it was a British mandate, before that it was an Ottoman province, before that it was a province of various Muslim dynasties and empires, before that it was a Roman province, and before that it was a Jewish state and kingdom

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Greater Israel is an idea that they base on the Bible

https://theisraelbible.com/biblical-boundaries-land-israel/

@Cherub786 How exactly were the Jews before the establishment of israel undoubtedly a nation? Did they share a common language or ethnicity or culture? How exactly do you define a 'nation'? People who share a religion or people who share some kind of historical link?

 

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1 minute ago, Ali_Hussain said:

Greater Israel is an idea that they base on the Bible

https://theisraelbible.com/biblical-boundaries-land-israel/

@Cherub786 How exactly were the Jews before the establishment of israel undoubtedly a nation? Did they share a common language or ethnicity or culture? How exactly do you define a 'nation'? People who share a religion or people who share some kind of historical link?

 

The Jews were a nation because they shared a common religion, culture, history, and origin. Moreover, they were perceived by their Gentile surroundings as a distinct nation and people, and not as Europeans rooted in the soil.

I won't answer how to precisely define a nation, but I did explain that the argument which the Muslim League gave (Two-Nation Theory) that posited that India's Muslims are a distinct nation and are therefore entitled to a national homeland (Pakistan), is ten times more applicable and justified in the case of the Jewish people. Therefore, if you believe that the Two-Nation Theory is valid, then you have no choice but to concede that the Jewish people are likewise a nation entitled to a national homeland.

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6 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

The blunder of the Arabs was in rejecting the original UN partition plan of Palestine to create parallel Arab and Jewish states in that territory. There was never an independent Arab state of Palestine in history. Before 1948, it was a British mandate, before that it was an Ottoman province, before that it was a province of various Muslim dynasties and empires, before that it was a Roman province, and before that it was a Jewish state and kingdom

Jewish state and kingdom....you mean Israelite kingdom under the leadership of prophet David (عليه السلام) and Soleimon (عليه السلام). It was by Allah's decree for the Israelites to liberate that land when they were the covenant holders. Israelites are no longer covenant holders and flag bearers of Allah's religion. This falls on Shia's, and hence they're the ones with proper Allah given claim to this holy land. 

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Jewish state and kingdom....you mean Israelite kingdom under the leadership of prophet David (عليه السلام) and Soleimon (عليه السلام). It was by Allah's decree for the Israelites to liberate that land when they were the covenant holders. Israelites are no longer covenant holders and flag bearers of Allah's religion. This falls on Shia's, and hence they're the ones with proper Allah given claim to this holy land. 

Okay, well then let's see if Allah has actually chosen the Shi'ah and enables them to take possession of the Holy Land. Forgive me for being skeptical, but I doubt that will ever happen.

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With this logic should we not removed turks from Anatolia for the Greeks? Should we not give American countries to native Americans and put back people of European descent in Europe? 

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Okay, well then let's see if Allah has actually chosen the Shi'ah and enables them to take possession of the Holy Land. Forgive me for being skeptical, but I doubt that will ever happen.

Disagree with the Shia islamic view all you want, however, the Israelites only were able to take Palestine upon Allah's decree and hence their only claim originated as religious.

Shia's being the flag bearers of Islam is based on the continuation of Imamat. For someone from outside, it wouldn't make sense, hence, the disbelief.

Retaking Palestine, has been well prophesied by our Prophet and Imams, hence why the Zionists have never been able to defeat Hezbollah, despite all their attempts. Even, strangely enough, the Palestinians, supported by the Shia's are able to hold their own against the far technologically superior Zionists. Israel is dying, just as their main backer, US is dying. Palestinians are getting stronger, with missiles capable of hitting well within the occupied lands. Zionists are not even making serious attempts to take Gaza anymore. 

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18 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

The Jews were a nation because they shared a common religion, culture, history, and origin. Moreover, they were perceived by their Gentile surroundings as a distinct nation and people, and not as Europeans rooted in the soil.

I won't answer how to precisely define a nation, but I did explain that the argument which the Muslim League gave (Two-Nation Theory) that posited that India's Muslims are a distinct nation and are therefore entitled to a national homeland (Pakistan), is ten times more applicable and justified in the case of the Jewish people. Therefore, if you believe that the Two-Nation Theory is valid, then you have no choice but to concede that the Jewish people are likewise a nation entitled to a national homeland.

Sure, I also have some issues regarding the division of India, but that is a bit of a deflection. I'm talking about Jews in let's say 1900, aside from religion, what similarities did a Polish Jew share with a Yemeni Jew or a Turkish Jew with a Jewish person from Holland? Again, did they speak a common language, were they of the same ethnicity, did they share a similar culture? How exactly were they a nation.

The Jews should have just claimed Palestine by right of conquest, we would be were we are now without the awful illogical hypocrisy.

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2 minutes ago, Ali_Hussain said:

The Jews should have just claimed Palestine by right of conquest, we would be were we are now without the awful illogical hypocrisy.

If they've done that, they wouldn't be able to justify it to the millions of christians. It's their strength regarding christians, and weakness regarding muslims ( especially Shias, as they are the current covenant holders )

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It looks like Lebanese president would also not be against making peace with Israel finally. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20200816-lebanon-president-hedges-over-eventual-peace-with-israel-in-interview

 

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3 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

It looks like Lebanese president would also not be against making peace with Israel finally. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20200816-lebanon-president-hedges-over-eventual-peace-with-israel-in-interview

 

Perhaps he is just being diplomatic, does he normally take a more confrontational position?

"Asked in an interview on BFMTV on Saturday whether Lebanon would be prepared to make peace with Israel, Aoun responded: "That depends. We have problems with Israel, we have to resolve them first."

Morocco could also be following the UAE soon:

Israel and the United Arab Emirates announced their agreement Thursday afternoon. They “agreed to the full normalization of relations between Israel and the UAE,” they said in a joint statement with the US that was released by US President Donald Trump.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/morocco-said-likely-to-be-one-of-the-next-states-to-normalize-ties-with-israel/

There has been quite an open alliance between many Muslims and israel in Syria over the recent years, so maybe it is better that they come out of the closet

 

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1 minute ago, Ali_Hussain said:

Perhaps he is just being diplomatic, does he normally take a more confrontational position?

"Asked in an interview on BFMTV on Saturday whether Lebanon would be prepared to make peace with Israel, Aoun responded: "That depends. We have problems with Israel, we have to resolve them first."

Morocco could also be following the UAE soon:

Israel and the United Arab Emirates announced their agreement Thursday afternoon. They “agreed to the full normalization of relations between Israel and the UAE,” they said in a joint statement with the US that was released by US President Donald Trump.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/morocco-said-likely-to-be-one-of-the-next-states-to-normalize-ties-with-israel/

There has been quite an open alliance between many Muslims and israel in Syria over the recent years, so maybe it is better that they come out of the closet

 

I think in few years probably only Algeria and countries close to Iran (excepted Lebanon maybe when I read this article) will have open relations with Israel. 

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2 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

I think in few years probably only Algeria and countries close to Iran (excepted Lebanon maybe when I read this article) will have open relations with Israel. 

It will take at least another generation for the Lebanese to change their opinion towards israel, and even then given the politics over there it will be hard to get that passed in parliament (or however such decisions are taken in their legal system)

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1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

I think in few years probably only Algeria and countries close to Iran (excepted Lebanon maybe when I read this article) will have open relations with Israel. 

Today, kuwait said they will be the last country in the world that will accept Israel as a state, Hearing that made me happy. 
 

2 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

It looks like Lebanese president would also not be against making peace with Israel finally. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20200816-lebanon-president-hedges-over-eventual-peace-with-israel-in-interview

 

Just so you guys know, today the son in law of the president said he allied with Hezbollah because Israel are Lebanon’s enemy. And he support Hezbollah supporting Assad because if Syria lost, ISIS will be controlling the border of Lebanon-Syria which will be the worst thing that happens to Lebanon.

 

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Protest rally held in Yemen's Hodeidah to denounce UAE normalization with Zionist entity

https://en.abna24.com/news//protest-rally-held-in-yemens-hodeidah-to-denounce-uae-normalization-with-zionist-entity_1063300.html

UAE Embassy in Tripoli of Libya on fire over normalize ties with Zionist regime

Photos have been circulated in social media of the embassy after the fire was put out, arabi21 website reported.
 

https://en.abna24.com/news//uae-embassy-in-tripoli-of-libya-on-fire-over-normalize-ties-with-zionist-regime_1063022.html

 

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UAE will regret it

https://en.abna24.com/news//uae-will-regret-it_1063636.html

Photos: Pakistani people protest against UAE-Israel agreement

https://en.abna24.com/news//photos-pakistani-people-protest-against-uae-israel-agreement_1063354.html

August 17, 2020 - 12:54 PM News Code : 1063354 Source : ABNA24Link: 

 

AhlulBayt News Agency (ABNA): Pakistani Muslims on Sunday held demonstrations in various cities of the country to condemn UAE's decision to normalize relations with the Zionist regime.

تظاهرات هزاران پاکستانی علیه توافق امارات و رژیم صهیونیستی تظاهرات هزاران پاکستانی علیه توافق امارات و رژیم صهیونیستی تظاهرات هزاران پاکستانی علیه توافق امارات و رژیم صهیونیستی

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Street protests are not allowed in my Madhhab

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said a man didn't do any good deeds except he removed a thorny branch from the road which was bothering people and obstructing traffic. Based on that act alone, Allah forgave him and granted him salvation.

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said Faith has seventy odd doors, the highest level is to say لا اله الا الله and the lowest level is to remove something harmful from the road

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم saw some people sitting on the road conversing and told them to avoid that. He told them if they must do that then they have to observe the rights of the road, among which is to remove something harmful or offensive from it.

All this makes clear that it is forbidden to block traffic on the road and to cause inconvenience to people that are travelling on the road. Street protests, in which entire streets are closed down, traffic is effected, there is noise, raising of slogans, disturbance to the neighborhood and residents, etc., is definitely an un-Islamic practice that Muslims have learned and copied from non-Muslims

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8 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

Street protests are not allowed in my Madhhab

If street protests would be a means of enjoining good and forbidding evil, why wouldn’t they be allowed? 

9 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

it is forbidden to block traffic on the road and to cause inconvenience to people that are travelling on the road. Street protests, in which entire streets are closed down, traffic is effected, there is noise, raising of slogans, disturbance to the neighborhood and residents, etc., is definitely an un-Islamic practice that Muslims have learned and copied from non-Muslims

One of the very first acts of the early Muslims performed in their quest to establishing a more just Arabia, was the obstruction of the trade route towards Mecca - sure it was in inconvenient, but so are many other things, especially those which come with enjoining good and forbidding evil in the social sphere. 

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2 minutes ago, Mohammad313Ali said:

If street protests would be a means of enjoining good and forbidding evil, why wouldn’t they be allowed? 

Street protests are themselves evil, so how can an evil be the means of forbidding evil?

Enjoining good and forbidding evil cannot be done in whatever method people wish to use. It has to be done according to the Manhaj of Islam, according to the principles and guidelines of the Shari'ah.

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One of the very first acts of the early Muslims performed in their quest to establishing a more just Arabia, was the obstruction of the trade route towards Mecca - sure it was in inconvenient, but so are many other things, especially those which come with enjoining good and forbidding evil in the social sphere. 

You are referring to the wars and hostilities between the Muslims and pagans of Mecca. War has different rules, some things that are haram ordinarily become halal in war. But how do you derive from that that it is allowed to cause inconvenience to Muslims through such street protests, because it is the Muslims whose traffic is obstructed, who suffer inconvenience, who are disturbed by the noise, etc.

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On 8/19/2020 at 3:41 AM, Cherub786 said:

It has to be done according to the Manhaj of Islam, according to the principles and guidelines of the Shari'ah.

I don’t contest this and if protesting can be done within an Islamic society, in accordance to the Shariah then there shouldn’t be an issue. And the matter isn’t about protests being inherently wrong, it’s about how they’re done.

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