Vaccine Autism Connection, Scientific Studies

[AkhiraisReal]

Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002

Abstract

Universal hepatitis B vaccination was recommended for U.S. newborns in 1991; however, safety findings are mixed. The association between hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and parental report of autism diagnosis was determined. This cross-sectional study used weighted probability samples obtained from National Health Interview Survey 1997-2002 data sets. Vaccination status was determined from the vaccination record. Logistic regression was used to estimate the odds for autism diagnosis associated with neonatal hepatitis B vaccination among boys age 3-17 years, born before 1999, adjusted for race, maternal education, and two-parent household. Boys vaccinated as neonates had threefold greater odds for autism diagnosis compared to boys never vaccinated or vaccinated after the first month of life. Non-Hispanic white boys were 64% less likely to have autism diagnosis relative to nonwhite boys. Findings suggest that U.S. male neonates vaccinated with the hepatitis B vaccine prior to 1999 (from vaccination record) had a threefold higher risk for parental report of autism diagnosis compared to boys not vaccinated as neonates during that same time period. Nonwhite boys bore a greater risk.

A two-phase study evaluating the relationship between Thimerosal-containing vaccine administration and the risk for an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis in the United States

Results: In phase I, it was observed that there was a significantly increased risk ratio for the incidence of ASD reported following the Thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccine in comparison to the Thimerosal-free DTaP vaccine. In phase II, it was observed that cases diagnosed with an ASD were significantly more likely than controls to receive increased organic-Hg from Thimerosal-containing hepatitis B vaccine administered within the first, second, and sixth month of life.

Conclusions: Routine childhood vaccination is an important public health tool to reduce the morbidity and mortality associated with infectious diseases, but the present study provides new epidemiological evidence supporting an association between increasing organic-Hg exposure from Thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines and the subsequent risk of an ASD diagnosis.

Influence of pediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand binding in rhesus macaque infants: A pilot study

Abstract

This longitudinal, case-control pilot study examined amygdala growth in rhesus macaque infants receiving the complete US childhood vaccine schedule (1994-1999). Longitudinal structural and functional neuroimaging was undertaken to examine central effects of the vaccine regimen on the developing brain. Vaccine-exposed and saline-injected control infants underwent MRI and PET imaging at approximately 4 and 6 months of age, representing two specific timeframes within the vaccination schedule. Volumetric analyses showed that exposed animals did not undergo the maturational changes over time in amygdala volume that was observed in unexposed animals. After controlling for left amygdala volume, the binding of the opioid antagonist [(11)C]diprenorphine (DPN) in exposed animals remained relatively constant over time, compared with unexposed animals, in which a significant decrease in [(11)C]DPN binding occurred. These results suggest that maturational changes in amygdala volume and the binding capacity of [(11)C]DPN in the amygdala was significantly altered in infant macaques receiving the vaccine schedule. The macaque infant is a relevant animal model in which to investigate specific environmental exposures and structural/functional neuroimaging during neurodevelopment.

Neurodevelopmental disorders after thimerosal-containing vaccines: a brief communication

Abstract

We were initially highly skeptical that differences in the concentrations of thimerosal in vaccines would have any effect on the incidence rate of neurodevelopmental disorders after childhood immunization. This study presents the first epidemiologic evidence, based upon tens of millions of doses of vaccine administered in the United States, that associates increasing thimerosal from vaccines with neurodevelopmental disorders. Specifically, an analysis of the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database showed statistical increases in the incidence rate of autism (relative risk [RR] = 6.0), mental retardation (RR = 6.1), and speech disorders (RR = 2.2) after thimerosal-containing diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (DTaP) vaccines in comparison with thimerosal-free DTaP vaccines. The male/female ratio indicated that autism (17) and speech disorders (2.3) were reported more in males than females after thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccines, whereas mental retardation (1.2) was more evenly reported among male and female vaccine recipients. Controls were employed to determine if biases were present in the data, but none were found. It was determined that overall adverse reactions were reported in similar-aged populations after thimerosal-containing DTaP (2.4 +/- 3.2 years old) and thimerosal-free DTaP (2.1 +/- 2.8 years old) vaccinations. Acute control adverse reactions such as deaths (RR = 1.0), vasculitis (RR = 1.2), seizures (RR = 1.6), ED visits (RR = 1.4), total adverse reactions (RR = 1.4), and gastroenteritis (RR = 1.1) were reported similarly after thimerosal-containing and thimerosal-free DTaP vaccines. An association between neurodevelopmental disorders and thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccines was found, but additional studies should be conducted to confirm and extend this study.

A two-phased population epidemiological study of the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines: a follow-up analysis

Results: Phase one showed significantly increased risks for autism, speech disorders, mental retardation, personality disorders, and thinking abnormalities reported to VAERS following thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccines in comparison to thimerosal-free DTaP vaccines. Phase two showed significant associations between cumulative exposures to thimerosal and the following types of NDs: unspecified developmental delay, tics, attention deficit disorder (ADD), language delay, speech delay, and neurodevelopmental delays in general.

Conclusions: This study showed that exposure to mercury from TCVs administered in the US was a consistent significant risk factor for the development of NDs. It is clear from these data and other recent publications linking TCVs with NDs that additional ND research should be undertaken in the context of evaluating mercury-associated exposures and thimerosal-free vaccines should be made available.

Transcriptomic analyses of neurotoxic effects in mouse brain after intermittent neonatal administration of thimerosal Abstract

Thimerosal is a vaccine antimicrobial preservative which has long been suspected an iatrogenic factor possibly contributing to neurodevelopmental disorders including autism. The association between infant vaccine thimerosal exposure and autism remains an open question. Although thimerosal has been removed from mandatory childhood vaccines in the United States, thimerosal-preserved vaccines are still widely used outside of the United States especially in developing countries. Notably, thimerosal-containing vaccines are being given to the newborns within the first 12-24 h after birth in some countries. To examine the possible neurotoxic effects of early neonatal exposure to a higher level of thimerosal, FVB mice were subcutaneously injected with thimerosal-mercury at a dose which is 20× higher than that used for regular Chinese infant immunization during the first 4 months of life. Thimerosal-treated mice exhibited neural development delay, social interaction deficiency, and inclination of depression. Apparent neuropathological changes were also observed in adult mice neonatally treated with thimerosal. High-throughput RNA sequencing of autistic-behaved mice brains revealed the alternation of a number of canonical pathways involving neuronal development, neuronal synaptic function, and the dysregulation of endocrine system. Intriguingly, the elevation of anterior pituitary secreting hormones occurred exclusively in male but not in female thimerosal-treated mice, demonstrating for the first time the gender bias of thimerosal-mercury toxicity with regard to endocrine system. Our results indicate that higher dose of neonatal thimerosal-mercury (20× higher than that used in human) is capable of inducing long-lasting substantial dysregulation of neurodevelopment, synaptic function, and endocrine system, which could be the causal involvements of autistic-like behavior in mice.

Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?

Abstract

Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are serious multisystem developmental disorders and an urgent global public health concern. Dysfunctional immunity and impaired brain function are core deficits in ASD. Aluminum (Al), the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant, is a demonstrated neurotoxin and a strong immune stimulator. Hence, adjuvant Al has the potential to induce neuroimmune disorders. When assessing adjuvant toxicity in children, two key points ought to be considered: (i) children should not be viewed as "small adults" as their unique physiology makes them much more vulnerable to toxic insults; and (ii) if exposure to Al from only few vaccines can lead to cognitive impairment and autoimmunity in adults, is it unreasonable to question whether the current pediatric schedules, often containing 18 Al adjuvanted vaccines, are safe for children? By applying Hill's criteria for establishing causality between exposure and outcome we investigated whether exposure to Al from vaccines could be contributing to the rise in ASD prevalence in the Western world. Our results show that: (i) children from countries with the highest ASD prevalence appear to have the highest exposure to Al from vaccines; (ii) the increase in exposure to Al adjuvants significantly correlates with the increase in ASD prevalence in the United States observed over the last two decades (Pearson r=0.92, p<0.0001); and (iii) a significant correlation exists between the amounts of Al administered to preschool children and the current prevalence of ASD in seven Western countries, particularly at 3-4 months of age (Pearson r=0.89-0.94, p=0.0018-0.0248). The application of the Hill's criteria to these data indicates that the correlation between Al in vaccines and ASD may be causal. Because children represent a fraction of the population most at risk for complications following exposure to Al, a more rigorous evaluation of Al adjuvant safety seems warranted.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24354891/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20628439/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12773696/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15795695/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24675092/

https://academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-full-text-pdf/C98151247042

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22099159/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21058170/

[Berber-Shia]

Thanks God that the EU phased out Thimerosal from childhood vaccines a long time ago.

Edited August 8, 2020 by modaoudi

[justAnothermuslim]

CDC claims “Vaccines do not cause autism”

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

 

One opposing view is:

https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/VaccineSafety-Version-1.0-October-2-2017-1.pdf

 

This white paper provides an introduction to vaccine safety science and policy in the United States.

While most drugs, like the ones above, are given to sick adults, pediatric vaccines are typically given universally to babies and toddlers. And while pharmaceutical companies remain liable for injuries caused by their non-vaccine drugs, as discussed above, they have no liability for injuries caused by their vaccines. One would therefore expect that pre-licensure safety testing for vaccines would be more rigorous than that conducted for drugs. Unfortunately, unlike all non-vaccine drugs licensed by the FDA, vaccines are not required to undergo long-term double-blind inert-placebo controlled trials to assess safety. In fact, not a single one of the clinical trials for vaccines given to babies and toddlers had a control group receiving an inert placebo. Further, most pediatric vaccines currently on the market have been approved based on studies with inadequate follow-up periods of only a few days or weeks.

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Even more amazingis that unlike every drug licensed by the FDA, the control groups in these vaccine trials did not receive an inert placebo. Rather, the control group was given one or more previously licensed vaccines as the “placebo.” This means each new vaccine need only be roughly as safe as one (or in some cases numerous) previously licensed vaccines. Such flawed and un-scientific study designs cannot establish the actual safety profile of any vaccine. The real adverse event rate for a vaccine can only be determined by comparing subjects receiving the vaccine with those receiving an inert placebo. Yet,this study design, required for every drug, is never required before or after licensing a vaccine.

 

 

 

[AkhiraisReal]

7 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

Even more amazingis that unlike every drug licensed by the FDA, the control groups in these vaccine trials did not receive an inert placebo. Rather, the control group was given one or more previously licensed vaccines as the “placebo.” This means each new vaccine need only be roughly as safe as one (or in some cases numerous) previously licensed vaccines. Such flawed and un-scientific study designs cannot establish the actual safety profile of any vaccine. The real adverse event rate for a vaccine can only be determined by comparing subjects receiving the vaccine with those receiving an inert placebo. Yet,this study design, required for every drug, is never required before or after licensing a vaccine.

 

I don't know how authentic the source is, however if it's true, then it's horrendous

[justAnothermuslim]

16 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I don't know how authentic the source is, however if it's true, then it's horrendous

Here's an explanation why placebo was not used.

Del Bigtree, a prominent anti-vaccine activist and an illuminating example of how the movement uses misinformation to spread fear and create mistrust of health professionals.

“The reason vaccines are not typically tested against a placebo is that it is unethical to knowingly expose a control group to the risks of a vaccine-preventable illness. No such trial would be ethically approved. This is just one example of an artificial, manufactured controversy employed by anti-vaccination advocates to manipulate, influence, and persuade.”

https://ecampusontario.pressbooks.pub/immunizations/chapter/case-study-del-bigtree/

 

Maybe rightly so a misinformant, IDK. However, according to this

https://www.icandecide.org/introduction-to-vaccine-safety/

the paper was presented to heads of National Institutes Of Health in May of 2017.

 

What i know and sure of is that, i’ve no snake oil to sell :-)

Here’s another take about “Vaccines do not cause autism”. Do read this one but don't have to believe anything it says.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccines-and-autism-is-the-science-really-settled/

“When it comes to any discussion of vaccine-autism science, Drs. Offit and Hotez both take the tone in public interviews that it’s silly to even ask the question, because the science has been done so many times, you must be sort of stupid if you still feel the need to talk about it.”

Well, it's not done according the link above. What’s my interest in all this? A coin has 2 sides. If I want to know the truth, it’s logical to listen to both sides. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Edited August 12, 2020 by justAnothermuslim

[Maryaam]

On 8/8/2020 at 7:36 AM, AkhiraisReal said:

Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002

A two-phase study evaluating the relationship between Thimerosal-containing vaccine administration and the risk for an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis in the United States

Influence of pediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand binding in rhesus macaque infants: A pilot study

Neurodevelopmental disorders after thimerosal-containing vaccines: a brief communication

 

A two-phased population epidemiological study of the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines: a follow-up analysis

Transcriptomic analyses of neurotoxic effects in mouse brain after intermittent neonatal administration of thimerosal   

Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?

I recognized the name Geier (name of two of the authors) as I had a job when I was at university where I had to search for bogus authors of journal articles writers and determine how many times their fraudulent work had been citied. The name Geier came up a lot…  

• This one authored by the Geiers (first one on your list): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24354891/was cited by 15 articles.
• This one authored by the Geiers (third one on your list): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12773696/  was cited by 13 articles.
• This one authored by the Geiers (fourth one on your list):  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15795695/. Was cited by 17 articles.

 

Please read a brief background of the two major authors of these papers - Mark Geier and David Geier:

 

Mark R. Geier  is an American former physician and controversial sometime "professional witness” who testified in more than 90 cases regarding allegations of injury or illness caused by vaccines. Since 2011, Geier's medical license has been suspended or revoked in every state in which he was licensed over concerns about his autism treatments and his misrepresentation of his credentials to the Maryland Board of Health, where he falsely claimed to be a board-certified geneticist and epidemiologist.

Mark and his son, David Geier, are frequently cited by proponents of the now-discredited claim  that vaccines cause autism. In 2011, his son David Geier was charged by the Maryland State Board of Physicians with practicing as a licensed physician when he only has a B.A. degree in biology.

Mark Geier's credibility as an expert witness has been questioned in 10 court cases.  In 2003, a judge ruled that Geier presented himself as an expert witness in "areas for which he has no training, expertise and experience." In other cases in which Geier has testified, judges have labeled his testimony "intellectually dishonest," "not reliable" and "wholly unqualified.

For more background and details and links go to:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_and_autism

The publishers of journals state very clearly that they are not supporting the work they have published - they are just publishing it.  Just because someone writes a paper does not mean that it is accurate, honest or credible. That is why work needs to be replicated to be viewed as sound.  There are many scientists (or in the cases above, bogus scientists) who make up the results of their research for a variety of reasons - perhaps… they want fame, or they need to produce papers to retain their position, or they have gone a little loopy and really believe the results they are posting are (or would be) valid - even though they made them up… 

You need to be very cautious and make sure you are familiar with the background of the people you cite.  Also look for who is funding the research and what possible stake they may have in the results and conclusions. 

[AkhiraisReal]

6 hours ago, Maryaam said:

Just because someone writes a paper does not mean that it is accurate, honest or credible. That is why work needs to be replicated to be viewed as sound.  There are many scientists (or in the cases above, bogus scientists) who make up the results of their research for a variety of reasons - perhaps… they want fame, or they need to produce papers to retain their position, or they have gone a little loopy and really believe the results they are posting are (or would be) valid - even though they made them up… 

You need to be very cautious and make sure you are familiar with the background of the people you cite.  Also look for who is funding the research and what possible stake they may have in the results and conclusions. 

 

The same thing could be said about those research that says vaccine don't cause autism.

The key point is that there are research that shows connection between brain changes/ autism and vaccines.

There are also research that shows no connection between the two.

Which one do we believe?

Are you willing to use your kids/family members as guinea pig despite the dubious position of vaccines?

I would say the one with billions of dollars on stake has more incentive to be fraudulent.

[Haji 2003]

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

The same thing could be said about those research that says vaccine don't cause autism.

Well it could if you brought up the same evidence as @Maryaam has done. But if you can't bring up the evidence then the same thing can't be said.

 

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Which one do we believe?

The stuff that hasn't been written by the dude whose medical licence got suspended.

[AkhiraisReal]

On 8/12/2020 at 7:28 AM, Haji 2003 said:

The stuff that hasn't been written by the dude whose medical licence got suspended.

 someone getting their medical license suspended doesn't necessary mean they were wrong. There could be many reasons for it.

On 8/12/2020 at 7:28 AM, Haji 2003 said:

Well it could if you brought up the same evidence as @Maryaam has done. But if you can't bring up the evidence then the same thing can't be said.

Are you implying that all my sources above are fraudulent?

[justAnothermuslim]

@Maryaam @Haji 2003

Is it true that none of the first 20 vaccines given to Americans babies have been studied for their relationship to autism?

Even if the claim is not true, how difficult is it to conduct a study, using a group of babies following the full schedule of vaccination program and a control group of totally unvaccinated babies and analyze the outcome at the end of say 3-5 years period? I believe, this could give a clearer picture "vaccines do not cause autism".

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccines-and-autism-is-the-science-really-settled/

The most shocking thing about all these studies that make Drs. Offit and Hotez so exasperated is that for all the griping that vaccines have been studied, in fact only one vaccine and one vaccine ingredient have actually ever been scientifically explored.

Let me explain.

Remember that in 1962 the maximum number of vaccines a child would receive by age five was three. In 1983 the maximum number of vaccines a child would receive by age five was ten. Today that number is thirty-eight, which is nearly quadruple what it was in 1983 and more than twelve times what it was in 1962.

Today by the time a child is five years old, if his parents follow the CDC’s recommended schedule, he will have received the following vaccines, with most being given three to four separate times: (1) hepatitis B, (2) rotavirus, (3) DTP, (4) Hib, (5) pneumococcal, (6) polio, (7) flu, (8) MMR, (9) varicella, (10) hepatitis A, (11) meningococcal (only for certain groups), and (12) HPV (teenagers)

Today at his two-month-old “well baby” visit, the average American infant will receive six separate vaccines in about fifteen minutes: hepatitis B, rotavirus, DTaP, Hib, pneumococcal, and polio. Two months later, at four months of age, most American children will again receive the same six vaccines, all administered at the same time: hepatitis B, rotavirus, DTaP, Hib, pneumococcal, and polio. Two months later, at six months of age, most American children then receive seven vaccines, all administered at the same time: hepatitis B, rotavirus, DTaP, Hib, pneumococcal, polio, and flu. By six months of age most American children receive nineteen vaccines in three visits to the doctor. Many kids also receive a birth dose of hepatitis B, boosting this number to twenty vaccines.

So of the first twenty vaccines given to American babies, how many have been studied for their relationship to autism? None.

That’s right, because only one vaccine, the MMR, has ever been studied for its relationship to autism. The MMR is a vaccine first administered to American children at thirteen months of age. But what about the two-month, four-month, and six-month “well baby” visits during which children receive so many vaccines? The truth is none of those vaccines have ever been studied or considered for their relationship to autism, so no one has any idea. This would be like trying to identify the source of a plane crash, suspecting mechanical failure, solely analyzing one of the wings, and then declaring the entire airplane free of culpability.

 

 

[AkhiraisReal]

@justAnothermuslim isn't that madness brother?

[Maryaam]

3 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

@Maryaam @Haji 2003

Is it true that none of the first 20 vaccines given to Americans babies have been studied for their relationship to autism?

Even if the claim is not true, how difficult is it to conduct a study, using a group of babies following the full schedule of vaccination program and a control group of totally unvaccinated babies and analyze the outcome at the end of say 3-5 years period? I believe, this could give a clearer picture "vaccines do not cause autism".

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccines-and-autism-is-the-science-really-settled/

 

 

This was authored by a manager of a private financial investment firm who blogs on autism and lockdown conspiracy theories...(?)….. 

A lot of research has been completed and replicated to pretty much debunk the autism by vaccine theory.  Several publications focused on this, were listed by posters already.

What is being done, currently, is trying to identify autism at an early age so that interventions and therapies can be started earlier for children who are considered prodromal (whose symptoms have not yet fully evolved).. Early therapeutic intervention in autism makes a huge difference.

The research is focused on siblings of young children who have been diagnosed with autism.  The idea is to try and find indicators - however subtle, so that in the future, a child will be diagnosed when an infant.  Here is a recent study for an example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32061926/  with children identified as young as 6 months old, who were later determined to have autism.

If it can be determined that children, who have a specific set of behavioural markers in infancy, later meet criteria to be diagnosed with autism, that would be proof that vaccines do not cause autism as the autism would be identified before any vaccines were given.  

Edited August 13, 2020 by Maryaam

[justAnothermuslim]

9 hours ago, Maryaam said:

This was authored by a manager of a private financial investment firm who blogs on autism and lockdown conspiracy theories...(?)….. 

A lot of research has been completed and replicated to pretty much debunk the autism by vaccine theory.  Several publications focused on this, were listed by posters already.

What is being done, currently, is trying to identify autism at an early age so that interventions and therapies can be started earlier for children who are considered prodromal (whose symptoms have not yet fully evolved).. Early therapeutic intervention in autism makes a huge difference.

The research is focused on siblings of young children who have been diagnosed with autism.  The idea is to try and find indicators - however subtle, so that in the future, a child will be diagnosed when an infant.  Here is a recent study for an example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32061926/  with children identified as young as 6 months old, who were later determined to have autism.

If it can be determined that children, who have a specific set of behavioural markers in infancy, later meet criteria to be diagnosed with autism, that would be proof that vaccines do not cause autism as the autism would be identified before any vaccines were given.  

Dear Sis, you didn’t answer my questions.

Anyway, it will help me understand the issue better if you can respond point-by-point to the assertions made by the articles. It specifically cited 3 studies mostly used to prove "vaccines do not cause autism".

[justAnothermuslim]

12 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

@justAnothermuslim isn't that madness brother?

Vaccine manufacturers' madness? Not sure about that :-)

But are we unwittingly support a system doing injustice to a subgroup of children who’re susceptible to vaccine injuries?

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccines-and-autism-is-the-science-really-settled/

What’s the Right Question?

The three questions and three studies I shared with you above come from three of the most commonly listed studies cited as “proof ” that “vaccines do not cause autism.” Yet not one of them comes close to answering the question parents of children with autism really care about, which goes something like this:

My child received thirty-eight vaccines by the time he was five, including twenty vaccines by his first birthday. Is the administration of so many vaccines causing autism in certain children?

That question, so important to the health of our children and our nation, has never been asked, so how could it be answered? Well, I should probably clarify that question, especially the part where I say “never been asked,” because the question has been asked, several times, in fact, but the answers don’t suit the Dr. Offits and Dr. Hotezes of the world, so you never hear about them, but you will in a moment, after a quick digression. I want to walk you through three simple but important concepts that will help put vaccine-autism science in proper perspective:

Biological plausibility “refers to the proposal of a causal association—a relationship between a putative cause and an outcome—that is consis- tent with existing biological and medical knowledge.”

Encephalopathy “means disorder or disease of the brain. In modern usage, encephalopathy does not refer to a single disease, but rather to a syndrome of overall brain dysfunction; this syndrome can have many different organic and inorganic causes.”

Wisdom of crowds is the notion that “large groups of people are smarter than an elite few, no matter how brilliant—better at solving problems, fostering innovation, coming to wise decisions, even predicting the future.”

No one wants to blame the childhood vaccine schedule for the autism epidemic. Vaccines were invented to save the lives of children, not harm them, and I believe most people on both sides of this debate believe they are helping children by either fighting for more vaccines or fighting for the recognition that vaccines are causing autism in a subset of children.

But blaming vaccines for the autism epidemic is the most “biologically plausible” hypothesis. Sorry, vaccines, but it’s just true. You provide some benefits to society in reducing a portion of certain acute illnesses, but you also have a very nasty underbelly: You cause brain damage in some of the kids who receive you.

Don’t take my word for it—our federal government could not be clearer that vaccines cause brain damage in some children. Time and again on their own website, the Department of Health and Human Services’ National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program makes it clear that “encephalopathy” is a vaccine injury, and they define “chronic encephalopathy” in the following way:

“Chronic Encephalopathy occurs when a change in mental or neurologic status, first manifested during the applicable time period, persists for a period of at least 6 months from the date of vaccination.”

Like many children with autism, my son is suffering from a chronic encephalopathy that occurred after his vaccine appointments.

I don’t really have to use that many of my IQ points to think that there may be a correlation between a product that causes brain damage (vaccines) and my son’s brain damage. It would be enough, frankly, that brain damage is known to be a side effect of vaccines in some children to assert how biologically plausible the vaccine-autism connection is, but the argument is bolstered by two additional points: (1) As you now know, the number of vaccines given to children has nearly quadrupled since the early 1980s, and the autism rate is up more than 30,000 percent during the same time period. (2) There are tens of thousands (or more) of parental reports of regression into autism after vaccination. These reports are worldwide, in every socioeconomic level and every race. The stories are remarkably consistent. The “wisdom of crowds” is taken to an extreme when it comes to the vaccine-autism connection, according to the parents, and many of their doctors, who witnessed the regression of their children firsthand.

[Maryaam]

2 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

Dear Sis, you didn’t answer my questions.

Anyway, it will help me understand the issue better if you can respond point-by-point to the assertions made by the articles. It specifically cited 3 studies mostly used to prove "vaccines do not cause autism".

He is not an expert in anything related to autism and so it is not helpful.  The author seems to be a financial manager with a side hobby of some kind.  

There are many many research articles that debunk the vaccine autism connection that were written by proven experts that work full time in the field and do not have an agenda - they genuinely care about their work. These articles aren't hard to find.  Some have been listed on this site.  

The reason there was so much attention to vaccine-autism connection research is not due to any indications that there was a connection, but because of celebrities, who garner lots of media attention, convinced many parents not to vaccinate their kids. These kids went on to either get measles (for one example)  and/or act as carriers to unvaccinated infants who were not yet old enough to be vaccinated and became infected.  Many died when they would not have, when all parents vaccinated their children. I know of a two month old that died of pertussis - she should not have even been exposed to pertussis.  Also, measles was thought to have been eradicated in many countries, through vaccine, and now it is back - due to ignorance.  So hence the funding for the research.  To save lives.

Non vaxxers do not care how much research debunks their theories - they dont respect it and will not examine it.  They will not be discouraged as their opposition to vaccination is emotional; it is not logical.  If you do any research at all you will see this.

What I was saying is that there is, currently, a lot of time and effort put into determining if a child has autism very early in their life so treatment can be started.  Most children are not formally diagnosed till late preschool age.  However, a positive bi-product of this is that if infants can be diagnosed before they are vaccinated - that would be clear proof that there is no connection and maybe non vaxxers would accept this.

Most individuals with autism are genetically loaded for autism - it is in their family history.  

Edited August 13, 2020 by Maryaam

[AkhiraisReal]

@Maryaam You are just reading your biased sources to prove your points.

You claim non vaxxers use emotion rather than logic. The first post of this thread is full of logical and scientific studies, and you just throw them in the garbage. Who's emotional?

Those who seek for truth are the succesful ones no matter how harsh the reality is. Even if it costs your family, license, money or whatever.

You have no critical thinking.

[justAnothermuslim]

 On 8/14/2020 at 1:03 AM, Maryaam said:

He is not an expert in anything related to autism and so it is not helpful.  The author seems to be a financial manager with a side hobby of some kind.  

If you think it's not helpful to refute his evidence-based argument, then it's a lost opportunity for me to listen to all arguments and follow the best of them.

On 8/14/2020 at 1:03 AM, Maryaam said:

There are many many research articles that debunk the vaccine autism connection that were written by proven experts that work full time in the field and do not have an agenda - they genuinely care about their work. These articles aren't hard to find.  Some have been listed on this site.  

He claim to have made an effort to read every available studies that are being used to prove "vaccines do not cause autism". He did specifically point out the deficiency of 3 of

those studies among which:-

1. questions asked were wrong.

2. the study were made between heavily vaccinated children vs heavily vaccinated children with 1 less vaccine (MMR)

On 8/14/2020 at 1:03 AM, Maryaam said:

The reason there was so much attention to vaccine-autism connection research is not due to any indications that there was a connection, but because of celebrities, who garner lots of media attention, convinced many parents not to vaccinate their kids. These kids went on to either get measles (for one example)  and/or act as carriers to unvaccinated infants who were not yet old enough to be vaccinated and became infected.  Many died when they would not have, when all parents vaccinated their children. I know of a two month old that died of pertussis - she should not have even been exposed to pertussis.  Also, measles was thought to have been eradicated in many countries, through vaccine, and now it is back - due to ignorance.  So hence the funding for the research.  To save lives.

Not in his case. His son contracted ASD after having vaccine appointment. 

On 8/14/2020 at 1:03 AM, Maryaam said:

Non vaxxers do not care how much research debunks their theories - they dont respect it and will not examine it.  They will not be discouraged as their opposition to vaccination is emotional; it is not logical.  If you do any research at all you will see this.

"Sorry, vaccines, but it’s just true. You provide some benefits to society in reducing a portion of certain acute illnesses, but you also have a very nasty underbelly:
You cause brain damage in some of the kids who receive you.vaccines are good to eradicate some preventable diseases but "sorry vaccines, you have a nasty underbelly: you cause some children  who receive you brain damage".

Reading what he has gone through, that seems like a rational/logical statement to me; not one made by an anti-vaxxer.

i tried  to but i'm having a problem reading a medical research/study reports. besides the technical jargons used, i find it hard to determine which one is really a randomized, double-blind placebo clinical study etc, etc. Hence, reading pro/cons argument is the much easier path to me.

On 8/14/2020 at 1:03 AM, Maryaam said:

What I was saying is that there is, currently, a lot of time and effort put into determining if a child has autism very early in their life so treatment can be started.  Most children are not formally diagnosed till late preschool age.  However, a positive bi-product of this is that if infants can be diagnosed before they are vaccinated - that would be clear proof that there is no connection and maybe non vaxxers would accept this.

All this early diagnosis is well and good.

But the only thing that can arrest the rate of ASD prevalence is to stamp out what causes it in the first place.

So, imo the first priority should be to study and identify what causes ASD.

On 8/14/2020 at 1:03 AM, Maryaam said:

Most individuals with autism are genetically loaded for autism - it is in their family history.  

well, can't totally ignore the environmental factor.

from www.autismspeaks.org, We know that there’s no one cause of autism. Research suggests that autism develops from a combination of genetic and nongenetic, or environmental, influences.

[justAnothermuslim]

On 8/13/2020 at 10:12 AM, AkhiraisReal said:

@justAnothermuslim isn't that madness brother?

on second thought, i believe you are right. People will go to any length to justify anything they want to believe. :very sad:

[AkhiraisReal]

http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/the-vaccination-debate

[hasanhh]

On 8/14/2020 at 9:15 PM, AkhiraisReal said:

http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/the-vaccination-debate

Counter --from a search of Hazlehurst's name:

https://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4029.pdf   at bottom right corner of first page.

10 minute read for entire article

[hasanhh]

Another porigin of increasing rates of autism:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/10/health/weed-marijuana-pregnancy-autism-link-wellness/index.html

old fumble fingers me can't spel anymore.

 

Edited August 17, 2020 by hasanhh
spelin'

[notme]

On 8/16/2020 at 8:56 PM, hasanhh said:

Another porigin of increasing rates of autism:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/10/health/weed-marijuana-pregnancy-autism-link-wellness/index.html

old fumble fingers me can't spel anymore.

I'm tired of hearing about this theory already! 

It was self reported and the experiment was conducted in Canada while marijuana was illegal there. While I certainly wouldn't advocate the use of marijuana, especially while pregnant, I have doubts about the validity of the study.

[Hasani Samnani]

On 8/8/2020 at 4:36 PM, AkhiraisReal said:

Vaccine-exposed and saline-injected control infants underwent MRI and PET imaging at approximately 4 and 6 months of age, representing two specific timeframes within the vaccination schedule.

Having seen the Contrast enhanced MRI and PET scans of many children post vaccination it's well known in the pediatric  neurological experience that majority of children have some sort of encephalitis or encephalopathy after certain vaccinations.

In fact there is a well known post vaccination syndrome called ADEM, acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, which is Multiple Sclerosis type of brain and/or spinal cord inflammation with resultant neuronal damage. The MRI scans can sometimes be shocking,  and some of the children then show autism spectrum disorder ( ASD) after the ADEM. 

It's well known in pediatric hospitals that there is a relationship between ASD and certain vaccinations, but to publish such information is considered career suicide  since pharma companies provide huge financial benefits to hospitals,  doctors and pediatric foundations.

So do vaccines cause ASD, most likely there is a direct connection,  but is it a one to one effect, not necessarily.

Meaning not every child gets autism from vaccines, but if there is a genetic or congenital predisposition,  then vaccines definitely can push those children  into a ASD. 

Many many mothers can definitely describe that post vaccination  , their children have neurological complications that are very obvious.

The other indirect proof is that ASD is now 1 in 36 children  from 1 in 500 just a few decades ago, and the main difference is going from few vaccines in lifetime to 64 separate  injections before age 12.

Additional there is a control group,  like the Amish population which have don't get vaccines as a rule with some exceptions,  but they have almost no autism and no SIDS ( sudden infant death syndrome) they also have almost no cases of Asthma and atopic and weird severe food allergies like peanut and milk allergies.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

20 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

It's well known in pediatric hospitals that there is a relationship between ASD and certain vaccinations, but to publish such information is considered career suicide  since pharma companies provide huge financial benefits to hospitals,  doctors and pediatric foundations.

So do vaccines cause ASD, most likely there is a direct connection,  but is it a one to one effect, not necessarily.

Meaning not every child gets autism from vaccines, but if there is a genetic or congenital predisposition,  then vaccines definitely can push those children  into a ASD. 

Many many mothers can definitely describe that post vaccination  , their children have neurological complications that are very obvious.

The other indirect proof is that ASD is now 1 in 36 children  from 1 in 500 just a few decades ago, and the main difference is going from few vaccines in lifetime to 64 separate  injections before age 12.

Additional there is a control group,  like the Amish population which have don't get vaccines as a rule with some exceptions,  but they have almost no autism and no SIDS ( sudden infant death syndrome) they also have almost no cases of Asthma and atopic and weird severe food allergies like peanut and milk allergies.

Correlation does not equal causation, there is no compelling proof that vaccines cause autism and never has been.  This whole anti-vaccine was started and perpetuated by con-men who lost their medical licenses because they were/are unable to stop peddling unscientific nonsense in order to make a quick buck on the innocent. In fact, while it hasn't been confirmed, there is more evidence to suggest that autism may be related to diet and gut bacteria or perhaps genetic.  See: https://hms.harvard.edu/news/gut-brain-connection-autism

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Now, Harvard Medical School and MIT researchers, working with mouse models, may have found the missing link: Infections during pregnancy can lead to high levels of the inflammatory signaling molecule interleukin-17a (IL-17a), which can not only affect brain development in the fetus, but also alter the maternal microbiome in a way that primes the newborn’s immune system for future inflammatory attacks.

In four studies beginning in 2016, study co-senior authors Gloria Choi of MIT and Jun Huh of Harvard Medical School have traced how elevated IL-17a during pregnancy acts on neural receptors in a specific region of the fetal brain to alter circuit development, leading to autism-like behavioral symptoms in mouse models.

The new research findings, which are described in the journal Immunity on Dec. 7, shows how IL-17a can also act to alter the trajectory of offspring’s immune system development.

“We’ve shown that IL-17a acting on the fetal brain can induce autism-like behavioral phenotypes such as social deficits,” said Choi, the Mark Hyman Jr. Career Development Associate Professor in the Picower Institute for Learning and Memory and the Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences at MIT. “Now we are showing that the same IL-17a in mothers, through changes in the microbiome community, produces comorbid symptoms in the offspring, specifically a primed immune system.”

The researchers caution that while the study findings are yet to be confirmed in humans, they do offer a hint that central nervous and immune system problems in individuals with autism-spectrum disorders share an environmental driver: maternal infection during pregnancy.

Meaning unless the mother has a diet high in additives, HFCS and has a genetic disposition to Asperger's or Autism, a child cannot get ASD from a vaccine, they are born with the condition. It just so happens that HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) has been proven to cause inflammatory responses in the human body and we inherit our gut microbiome from our mother:

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Epidemiologic studies have linked fructose intake with the metabolic syndrome, and it was recently reported that fructose induces an inflammatory response in the rat kidney. Here, we examined whether fructose directly stimulates endothelial inflammatory processes by upregulating the inflammatory molecule intercellular adhesion molecule-1 (ICAM-1). When human aortic endothelial cells were stimulated with physiologic concentrations of fructose, ICAM-1 mRNA and protein expression increased in a time- and dosage-dependent manner, which was independent of NF-κB activation. Fructose reduced endothelial nitric oxide (NO) levels and caused a transient reduction in endothelial NO synthase expression. The administration of an NO donor inhibited fructose-induced ICAM-1 expression, whereas blocking NO synthase enhanced it, suggesting that NO inhibits endothelial ICAM-1 expression. Furthermore, fructose resulted in decreased intracellular ATP; administration of exogenous ATP blocked fructose-induced ICAM-1 expression and increased NO levels. Consistent with the in vitro studies, dietary intake of fructose at physiologic dosages increased both serum ICAM-1 concentration and endothelial ICAM-1 expression in the rat kidney. These data suggest that fructose induces inflammatory changes in vascular cells at physiologic concentrations.

^ It would be reasonable to infer and assume that HFCS has a similar effect on the gut biome and fetal brain development, therefore increasing levels of IL-17a if a mother has a diet high in HFCS. It's not a definite answer, however it is much closer to the truth than vaccines causing autism.  See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2518440/

21 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

The other indirect proof is that ASD is now 1 in 36 children  from 1 in 500 just a few decades ago, and the main difference is going from few vaccines in lifetime to 64 separate  injections before age 12.

Additional there is a control group,  like the Amish population which have don't get vaccines as a rule with some exceptions,  but they have almost no autism and no SIDS ( sudden infant death syndrome) they also have almost no cases of Asthma and atopic and weird severe food allergies like peanut and milk allergies.

There has also been an increase in HFCS in food as well, over the past few decades, the Amish grow and farm their own food as well, they don't buy frozen food or imported produce from Walmart. Again, it is not definitive proof but it is worth noting and considering.

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In particular, there is a marked increase in daily intake of high-fructose corn syrup in the past four decades.3 A causal role of fructose in the metabolic syndrome is supported by studies demonstrating that fructose causes some features of metabolic syndrome in humans as well as in rodents.

Also, I don't understand why Shiachat continues to let this thread exist, it is truly pointless and just spreads baseless conspiracy theories.

[Haji 2003]

On 12/22/2023 at 8:48 AM, Hasani Samnani said:

Additional there is a control group,  like the Amish population which have don't get vaccines as a rule with some exceptions,  but they have almost no autism and no SIDS ( sudden infant death syndrome) they also have almost no cases of Asthma and atopic and weird severe food allergies like peanut and milk allergies.

Wouldn't a control group comprise people who were like the intervention group in all other respects other than the vaccination? On the other hand the Amish have so many lifestyle and other differences with the wider community it hardly renders them a suitable control group.

[JannahLM]

This is a harmful and ableist myth that has long been debunked. The original study, as pointed out already, was done by some quacks and was debunked by those more qualified. Even if vaccines did cause autism, though (they don't) would you honestly rather have a dead child than an autistic child? The implications that you would not vax your children because they might get the autisms is extremely offensive.

[Hasani Samnani]

14 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Meaning unless the mother has a diet high in additives, HFCS and has a genetic disposition to Asperger's or Autism, a child cannot get ASD from a vaccine, they are born with the condition

The CDC has given testimony and studies that vaccine can cause autism in certain select predisposed populations, so your pro big pharma arguments and crap falls flat on its face. 

The reason that a special vaccine court and compensation scheme was setup which provided immunity to big pharma,  was because they kept losing in court in multimillion dollar judgements based on horrible outcomes of some vaccinated children and their deaths and subsequent severe disabilities.

The HFCS theory is acceptable for causing whole body inflammation but seed oils do this as well and if this was the case then children with no exposure to HFCS would have no incidence of autism,  but autism is increasing in countries where little to processed foods are availble but the vaccine scheduled has doubled or tripled. Also it would only be after these solid food additives were in the diet would we see cases of autism or other neuropsych conditions. The majority of moms who noticed a autism spectrum behavior in their children can pinpoint the time and date their child went from neurologically normal or sudden change , and almost always note it after pediatric appt and vaccine administration.

4 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Wouldn't a control group comprise people who were like the intervention group in all other respects other than the vaccination?

Ideally yes , but no vaccine had ever had a true double blind Randomized control group study,  in fact the few cases  where they have pretended  to do such a study...they would either unblind the study, use the immune damaging agents In the control group or just do the study in sub Saharan Africa in poor countries and then hide the data.

 

3 hours ago, JannahLM said:

Even if vaccines did cause autism, though  would you honestly rather have a dead child than an autistic child?

This tells me you know absolutely nothing of the greater that 64 vaccine Injections and the diseases they are expected to protect against.

The vast majority of diseases that are vaccinated for, were not ever fatal, they rarely caused major Morbidity and because of access to clean water,  food and good sanitation these diseases were already declining before the vaccines were introduced.

The only vaccine proven to prevent death is the rabies vaccine.

The vast majority of vaccines which used non dead viruses particles and actually used attenuated viruses have been found to cause outbreaks of the disease.....measles, whooping cough, and poliovirus out breaks have all even traced to viral strain found in the vaccines since attenuated viruses can become virulent again...this is listed in the as a possible complication in the vaccine patient information leaflet.

I can safely bet that no doctor or nurse who gave the vaccine to your child ever mentioned that a possible side effect i of the vaccine is the very disease the vaccine is supposed to prevent. Most Doctors and Nurses get little training and have little  to no understanding of vaccines ,  vaccine ingredient,  vaccine complications and vaccine related Mortality . The majority cannot even recite the data from the studies on which basis they give these potentially harmful medications.  I am very grateful to my Professors of Pharmacology at McGill's  Faculty of Medicine , we were trained to carefully examine the data before advising any patient for any medical treatment. Additionally unlike our US medical school colleagues, big pharma type giveaways and gifts were not allowed.

Many Doctors and scientists who  turned to research and try and dismiss anti vaxx arguments...found the truth in their research into vaccines development and testing and the ingredients used.

Now not all vaccines cause major  harm and not to all recipients, but in populations like the Amish and certain Jewish populations that have religious exemptions,  it has been noted their children are healthier, have less childhood illness, have almost no allergies,   and more Importantly have less chronic diseases.

The majority of autoimmunity diseases are of indirectly related to the damage the immune system undergoes with certain Vaccines. The majority of allergies to peanuts  , milk and eggs are directly related to the use of these agents  as ingredients in the vaccine manufacturing process ie peanut oil, milk proteins, egg proteins etc. Why does America have the highest food allergy and deadly anaphylactic allergies in the world.

In fact the USA has the highest infant Mortality in the first 48 hours of developed countries,  has the highest rate of autism now at 1 in 36 children...an appalling statistic and the autism rate correlates directly one to one to the increase in number if vaccinations.

 

For those non doctors and those who have never worked In a Pediatric Hospital,  we see hundreds of infants a year who get ADEM ( a demyelinating syndrome affecting the brain and spinal cord) which is defined as a post vaccination encephalomyelitis. 

 

The Japanese first noticed a huge increase in their Infant Mortality rates with the American vaccination schedule,  once they started delaying and removing certain Vaccines they noticed improved neurological outcomes, decrease in autism and ADHD, and huge drop in infant mortality.

 

Now for those simpletons who use CIA terms to describe critical thinkers or skeptics and truly believe that Big Pharma is benevolent and don't put profits ahead of all other concerns .....Then that degree of imbecility is I am afraid uniformally fatal.

 

Having worked for a Big Pharm business before medical school the industry had guidelines for what the industry consider the perfect product...it would be very expensive,  it would be mandated by the govt, it would given to everyone regardless of age or health status,  it would be immune from lawsuits,  it would cause other maladies for which they would then have another wonder drug to treat ( kind of  like Moderna and Pfizer's new anti myocarditis meds) , it would require multiple doses  etc....

 

For those of you with no exposure to big Pharma,  you must understand....  their bean counters and CEOs carefully calculate their potential profits and they also add in the losses from damage claims and lawsuits and potential fines from Govt before they launch any product.

 

In fact Pfizer has had the highest number of multimillion dollar fines and even criminal charges,  but yet still making billions....they hire the regulators for their boards and positions to devise true regulatory capture.

 

 

Understand All diseases and disease processes were under the power of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى),  and he also provided us with the best protection ....our natural immune system is very powerful when not damaged,  many natural cures... Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has told us  that for every illness he has created a cure.

In fact most antibiotics and many other medicines originally come from plants, or bacteria or soil species, plus  good nutrition, avoidance of chemicals in our diets, excercise and fasting can prevent more diseases. Any good physician will always advocate prevention before treatment.

14 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

It would be reasonable to infer and assume that HFCS has a similar effect on the gut biome and fetal brain development, therefore increasing levels of IL-17a if a mother has a diet high in HFCS. I

Yes we know that the Gut biome and FMT ( fecal microbiota tranpla transplant) is very helpful in neurodegenerative and neuropsych conditions and even curing certain conditions.

Another reason that the Islamic regimen of two years of breastfeeding is the best nutrition and immune system boost a child can receive. Plus children Inherit part of their microbiomes from their mothers.  Additionally using combined regimens  with stem cell therapies, peptides and photobiomodulation can help treat a huge number of chronic and acute illnesses.

Understand during and after med school, I was very proudly pro vaxx and pushed my family and even children towards vaccines because I trusted the Govt and Big Pharma,  it wasn't until I researched to try and disprove anti vaxx arguments that I realized the sad truth. Also working for a Big Pharma company opened my eyes to their corrupt and unethical practice. They want people on meds for life and never work to cure anything,  because cures  destroy profits and lose customers. Their only aim is profits, profits, profits....and secondary is avoidance of too many lawsuits, a few they can easily handle. 

Also seeing huge numbers of post vaccination complications including death, neurological , cardiac,  psychiatric,  Gastroenterological and immune system complications that I realized how harmful trying to artificially manipulate the immune system can be.

But don't take my word for it , trying reading books like 

Turtles All The Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth.

or listen to podcasts with Del bigtree, or the health ranger, or Children's Health Defense foundation. And unless you consider yourself well read and have done deep science based research stop throwing around anti vaxx or conspiracy theory which to most critical thinkers makes you look pretty stupid and label you as a lemming or a sheeple.

Instead of acting like a soomun, bookmun omyun ignorant person,  like the Prophet and Ahimmah recommended  .. read and study , even if you have to go to China, only then can you claim to be knowledgeable and Informed....

or just accept the big pharma and big govt propaganda, since they never ever lie or deceive or get caught.

So in conclusion don't accept my arguments at all, just do your own research or if too lazy, then let the informed educated adults and professionals  who have done their research talk, and the children can just listen to the arguments and then decide.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2023 by Hasani Samnani

[Hasani Samnani]

See this table to see the specific vaccines and the number of reported autism cases 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

5 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

The CDC has given testimony and studies that vaccine can cause autism in certain select predisposed populations, so your pro big pharma arguments and crap falls flat on its face. 

The CDC has never given any studies  or testimony  that vaccines directly cause autism.  That has been debunked numerous times.^

5 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

The HFCS theory is acceptable for causing whole body inflammation but seed oils do this as well and if this was the case then children with no exposure to HFCS would have no incidence of autism,  but autism is increasing in countries where little to processed foods are availble but the vaccine scheduled has doubled or tripled.

 ^HFCS is the lowest grade and cheapest form of sugar. It is almost in every food or drink nowadays. While it is not a definite cause, it is again, closer to the truth than the idea of vaccines causing autism.  As for autism increasing in these countries, there are  more people nowadays and more awareness of autism nowadays. As I said before, correlation does not equal causation.  You know this, that is one of the  first things they teach in medical school, yes?

6 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

In fact the USA has the highest infant Mortality in the first 48 hours of developed countries,  has the highest rate of autism now at 1 in 36 children...an appalling statistic and the autism rate correlates directly one to one to the increase in number if vaccinations.

Also, USA has the highest rates of diabetes, heart disease and obesity, all of which can be caused by an excess of HFCS in diet, again as I stated before, correlation does not equal  causation but there is evidence to suggest that Mom's gut biome has more influence on the development of an infant's brain, especially if her immune system is reacting to the inflammation from HFCS.  

6 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Understand during and after med school, I was very proudly pro vaxx and pushed my family and even children towards vaccines because I trusted the Govt and Big Pharma,  it wasn't until I researched to try and disprove anti vaxx arguments that I realized the sad truth.

That was your first mistake, blindly trusting bureaucracy, the most inefficient part of society, but then you parrot the lies of Andrew Wakefield and other grifters as a reaction. You don't seem to have a strong grasp on critical thinking. 

6 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Understand All diseases and disease processes were under the power of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى),  and he also provided us with the best protection ....our natural immune system is very powerful when not damaged,  many natural cures... Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has told us  that for every illness he has created a cure.

Autism is a condition rather than a disease, autistic people were made as Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) intended them to be. Likewise, if you really did study at McGill's, you would know that vaccines don't damage the immune system but boost it with anti-bodies.

[Hasani Samnani]

4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

CDC has never given any studies  or testimony  that vaccines directly cause autism.  That has been debunked numerous times.^

I guess reading is unfortunately not your strong suit, and then you make up information.

Whistleblower Claims CDC Covered Up Vaccine Autism links  video testimony 

https://wellcomecollection.org/works/dcr8se7r

Vaccine Whistleblower is a gripping account of four legally recorded phone conversations between Dr. Brian Hooker, a scientist investigating autism and vaccine research, and Dr. William Thompson, a senior scientist in the vaccine safety division at the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Thompson discloses a pattern of data manipulation, fraud, and corruption at the highest levels of the CDC, the federal agency in charge of protecting the health of Americans. This book nullifies the government's claims that "vaccines are safe and effective", and reveals that the government rigged research to cover up the link between vaccines and autism. Scientific truth and the health of American children have been compromised to protect the vaccine program and the pharmaceutical industry. Vaccine Whistleblower provides context to the implications of Thompson's revlations and directs the reader to political action.

On 12/23/2023 at 10:43 AM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

It would be reasonable to infer and assume that HFCS has a similar effect on the gut biome and fetal brain development, therefore increasing levels of IL-17a if a mother has a diet high in HFCS. It's not a definite answer, however it is much closer to the truth than vaccines causing autism.  See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2518440/

This HCFS theory you keep trotting out like a broken record , I again admitted, may have have some effect on generalized inflammation,  but not autism ....is retardly based on one mouse study. Your saying that one mouse study is significant to prove your theory that HFCS causes autism in human beings. 

If your level of scientific based proof is one mouse study , you need to learn about evidence based medicine and may need remedial help in reading the difference between mouse brain development and human brain development.

4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

As I said before, correlation does not equal causation.  You know this, that is one of the  first things they teach in medical school, yes

No....First of all they teach evidence based medicine , where based on Data points,  medical literature and number of patients  make  a theory possible  and  the more evidence leads to higher probability. Only people who don't understand medicine will parrot like keep squawking correlation doesn't equal causation, especially those poor imbeciles who base human theories on one mouse study.

4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Also, USA has the highest rates of diabetes, heart disease and obesity, all of which can be caused by an excess of HFCS 

This refers to primarily the diagnosis of metabolic syndrome , which is an adult disorder and has absolutely nothing to do with a Pediatric Neurodevelopental disorder. 

 

4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

blindly trusting bureaucracy, the most inefficient part of society,

says the doddering crank who keepd parroting the govt bureaucratic line.

4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

You don't seem to have a strong grasp on critical thinking. 

says the non medical expert basing an entire theory  on a human Neurodevelopmental disorder using one mouse study. 

4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

autistic people were made as Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) intended them to be.

 Talk about a non Islamic fatalistic view  autism is a gradual Neurodevelopmental condition that is environmental linked and hence preventable.

This fatalistic view is what ignorant people who don't understand the difference between congenital disorders vs environmental linked conditions.

4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

you would know that vaccines don't damage the immune system but boost it with anti-bodies.

Food Chem Toxicol. 2022 Jun; 164: 113008. 

Published online 2022 Apr 15. doi: 10.1016/j.fct.2022.113008

PMCID: PMC9012513

Innate immune suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccinations

here is another 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK23600294/

there are hundreds of studies which show damage to the natural immune response by vaccines. Do you even research anything before making provable retarded statements. It's also one of the well known side effects that is listed in the medication leaflet distributed with all vaccines. 

There is even a well known syndrome called VAED

Vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAED) is when a (usually) more severe clinical presentation of an infection that would normally be seen in an unvaccinated person occurs in someone who has been vaccinated. Antibodies that have been generated from vaccination bind to a pathogen and aide in a virus getting more easily into cells than it would on its own. 

I have consistently disproved all of your statements with references,  unfortunately you cannot claim the same.

This is the problem with arguing with those who are too Intellectually lazy to do any research,  read the opposing views, and have no training in medicine, but make over arching  provably false statements. Oh well May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide you away from jahilya to knowledge inshallah 

 

Again to those who are looking actively for knowledge before making an intelligent argument,  first trying reading books like 

Turtles All The Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth.

If you can disprove based on evidence I am willing to listen, and will not spout off ad hominems with no proof.

Notice that ADEM  issue was not addressed at all.

The huge difference in infant mortality in the USA and how vastly different from all other developed countries was not addressed. The Japanese government vaccination schedule and the reason for differences was not addressed.

In fact no reasonable arguments were made sadly,  but instead  non fact based polemics were declared with no medical evidence. This is the sign when arguing with people with little to no knowledge pf a subject.

Please brother either try to do some research and come with facts, or keep your fake theories and provable false statements to yourself in your in little imaginary bubble of world understanding.

 

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Hasani Samnani

[Gaius I. Caesar]

3 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Says the non medical expert basing an entire theory  on a human Neurodevelopmental disorder using one mouse study. 

Nowhere, in my posts to you, did I ever claim to be a medical expert. The fact that you think I'm delusional, seems to confirm my assumptions that you aren't using your critical thinking skill and  you are getting frustrated than I am not swayed by your appeals to emotion  it is much easier to blame "big pharma" and continue peddle the lies of conmen than admit you fell for a scam. Again, no vaccine has ever caused autism in children. 

3 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

 Talk about a non Islamic fatalistic view  autism is a gradual Neurodevelopmental condition that is environmental linked and hence preventable.

This fatalistic view is what ignorant people who don't understand the difference between congenital disorders vs environmental linked conditions.

Yes, autism is a neurodevelopmental condition that is linked to many different factors but once you have it, it is a lifelong condition, it can't be "cured" but there ways to alleviate its symptoms and accommodate for autistic people.  Something you seemingly refuse to understand. 

3 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

This is the problem with arguing with those who are too Intellectually lazy to do any research,  read the opposing views, and have no training in medicine, but make over arching  provably false statements. Oh well May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide you away from jahilya to knowledge inshallah 

 All I just suggested that perhaps that it is related to the mother's diet and the prevalence of HFCS in the modern day diet and the inflammation on the human body. That's all, it is a suggestion.

3 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

If you can disprove based on evidence I am willing to listen, and will not spout off ad hominems with no proof.

I have better things to do than engage with your childish behavior. One does not need to be a medical student to see and understand that autism was never caused by vaccines or any singular cause but multiple factors. Personally, I think anyone who thinks vaccines cause autism, hates autistic people and also thinks that they are a source of  shame/embarrassment. They won't say it but they will fight tooth and nail for this debunked conspiracy and a criminal. Easily explains why they get so upset when someone challenges them on vaccines causing autism. Just an observation I have made over the years.

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I doubt the credibility of these alleged studies.

A relative of mine died of hepatitis.  I have two children who have been diagnosed with autism.  As a parent,  I would, without hesitation, choose autism over hepatitis, if I had to choose one for my children.  

But I don't have to choose, because these studies are always fearmongering trash.  

Many environmental conditions have been linked to increased incidence of autism, as have genetic markers. If a person wanted to avoid all risk of having a child with an autism spectrum disorder, they would have to simply avoid having a child.