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I am not very knowledgeable about the differences so I am not asking anything particular like that. But as a Shia, I've realised (especially on apps like Tiktok), there is such a big Anti-Shia discourse, saying "they worship graves" etc. Now, being born into a Shia family, I feel like this sect makes me feel more connected to a "God" through the imams (in the sense that through them we learn about God more). This is especially true as I am trying to begin a spiritual journey and figure out the "truth". So if I find my way back to Islam I dont think ill ever not be Shia. Just yesterday someone was telling me "shias are more culturally muslim" insinuating that they don't practise as properly, which is ridiculous as I know so many religious Shia's.  

Basically my key issue is does being in a sect really matter? If you are a Muslim, you are a Muslim. You follow the five pillars etc. If God exists is he really going to punish you based on the sect you follow?To me, a answer in the positive would just force me in the opposite direction from God. Evidently, we constitute the minority of the Islamic population, so are you convinced that that's the actual truth?

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Saqifa, Fadak, Battle of Jamal, Siffin, They never really stopped cursing, just changed the way its done. Karbala . Now they are after the Shia of Imam Ali(عليه السلام) for last 1400 years. till eternity....

So, don't waste your time in what an ignorant says, let them play god and judge intentions. 

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Amir b. Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported on the authority of his father that Muawiya b. Abi Sufyan appointed Sa'd as the Governor and said:

What prevents you from abusing Abu Turab (Hadrat 'Ali), whereupon be said: It is because of three things which I remember Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said about him that I would not abuse him and even if I find one of those three things for me, it would be more dear to me than the red camels. I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) say about 'Ali as he left him behind in one of his campaigns (that was Tabuk). 'Ali said to him: Allah's Messenger, you leave me behind along with women and children. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said to him: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there is no prophethood after me. And I (also) heard him say on the Day of Khaibar: I would certainly give this standard to a person who loves Allah and his Messenger, and Allah and his Messenger love him too. He (the narrator) said: We had been anxiously waiting for it, when he (the Holy Prophet) said: Call 'Ali. He was called and his eyes were inflamed. He applied saliva to his eyes and handed over the standard to him, and Allah gave him victory. (The third occasion is this) when the (following) verse was revealed: "Let us summon our children and your children." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) called 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husain and said: O Allah, they are my family.

حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبَّادٍ، - وَتَقَارَبَا فِي اللَّفْظِ - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا حَاتِمٌ، - وَهُوَ ابْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ - عَنْ بُكَيْرِ بْنِ مِسْمَارٍ، عَنْ عَامِرِ بْنِ سَعْدِ بْنِ أَبِي وَقَّاصٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ أَمَرَ مُعَاوِيَةُ بْنُ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ سَعْدًا فَقَالَ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَسُبَّ أَبَا التُّرَابِ فَقَالَ أَمَّا مَا ذَكَرْتُ ثَلاَثًا قَالَهُنَّ لَهُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَلَنْ أَسُبَّهُ لأَنْ تَكُونَ لِي وَاحِدَةٌ مِنْهُنَّ أَحَبُّ إِلَىَّ مِنْ حُمْرِ النَّعَمِ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ لَهُ خَلَّفَهُ فِي بَعْضِ مَغَازِيهِ فَقَالَ لَهُ عَلِيٌّ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ خَلَّفْتَنِي مَعَ النِّسَاءِ وَالصِّبْيَانِ فَقَالَ لَهُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ أَمَا تَرْضَى أَنْ تَكُونَ مِنِّي بِمَنْزِلَةِ هَارُونَ مِنْ مُوسَى إِلاَّ أَنَّهُ لاَ نُبُوَّةَ بَعْدِي ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَسَمِعْتُهُ يَقُولُ يَوْمَ خَيْبَرَ ‏"‏ لأُعْطِيَنَّ الرَّايَةَ رَجُلاً يُحِبُّ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيُحِبُّهُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ فَتَطَاوَلْنَا لَهَا فَقَالَ ‏"‏ ادْعُوا لِي عَلِيًّا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَأُتِيَ بِهِ أَرْمَدَ فَبَصَقَ فِي عَيْنِهِ وَدَفَعَ الرَّايَةَ إِلَيْهِ فَفَتَحَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَلَمَّا نَزَلَتْ هَذِهِ الآيَةُ ‏{‏ فَقُلْ تَعَالَوْا نَدْعُ أَبْنَاءَنَا وَأَبْنَاءَكُمْ‏}‏ دَعَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَلِيًّا وَفَاطِمَةَ وَحَسَنًا وَحُسَيْنًا فَقَالَ ‏"‏ اللَّهُمَّ هَؤُلاَءِ أَهْلِي ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih Muslim 2404 d

In-book reference : Book 44, Hadith 50

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 31, Hadith 5915

https://sunnah.com/muslim/44/50

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1 hour ago, Zxqn said:

. If God exists is he really going to punish you based on the sect you follow?

Applying the same argument can you tell me would Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) punish humans based on the religion they follow? 

[Edit] I meant if He would punish Hindus or Christians, if, they why?

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4 hours ago, Zxqn said:

Basically my key issue is does being in a sect really matter? If you are a Muslim, you are a Muslim. You follow the five pillars etc. If God exists is he really going to punish you based on the sect you follow?

I think our question as those who are striving to follow the truth should not be 'will God punish me if I follow something else' rather it should be 'how can I worship God and follows his instructions in the most correct manner'. 

The reality is that there are differences in religious beliefs and practices among muslims and each of us should be striving to follow what was revealed and transmitted rather than what may have been distorted. This is essentially what leads one towards one school of thought or another. 

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14 hours ago, Zxqn said:

I am not very knowledgeable about the differences so I am not asking anything particular like that. But as a Shia, I've realised (especially on apps like Tiktok), there is such a big Anti-Shia discourse, saying "they worship graves" etc. Now, being born into a Shia family, I feel like this sect makes me feel more connected to a "God" through the imams (in the sense that through them we learn about God more). This is especially true as I am trying to begin a spiritual journey and figure out the "truth". So if I find my way back to Islam I dont think ill ever not be Shia. Just yesterday someone was telling me "shias are more culturally muslim" insinuating that they don't practise as properly, which is ridiculous as I know so many religious Shia's.  

Basically my key issue is does being in a sect really matter? If you are a Muslim, you are a Muslim. You follow the five pillars etc. If God exists is he really going to punish you based on the sect you follow?To me, a answer in the positive would just force me in the opposite direction from God. Evidently, we constitute the minority of the Islamic population, so are you convinced that that's the actual truth?

Hi, there's is no  evidence from any Islamic text that suggest that the majority is the truth, Quran actually disqualifies such notion:(6:116) (O Muhammad!) If you obey the majority of those who live on earth, they will lead you away from Allah's path. They only follow idle fancies, indulging in conjecture. Therefore, being a minority does not necessitate that our faith is not truth. 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Zxqn said:

To me, a answer in the positive would just force me in the opposite direction from God. Evidently, we constitute the minority of the Islamic population, so are you convinced that that's the actual truth?

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) tests us based on the knowledge you have access to and know. Hence, if you knew about the truth surrounding Karbala and the Wilayah of Ali (عليه السلام) and rejected due to wanting to keep the tradition of what “your fathers believed” then yes, you would be questioned severely by God. 
 

But don’t worry about sects sis, especially in modern day form, it will just confuse you. Just as Imam Ali states:

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Know the truth and you shall know it’s people

When I first became “Shia” from a “Sunni” background I was overwhelmed that there were so many sects within it Shiasm as well. I call myself a “Shia” (follower) of the Quran and the Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام) just as the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) instructed, in terms of school of thought. But on day to day if someone were to ask me I call myself a Muslim and an aspiring Momin in its highest capacity.

I feel, just as I did, we can all unite on truth. Doesn’t mean we hide our school of thought etc but we shouldn’t divide damagingly just as the Quran states.
 

Also Imam Khamenei says:

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We Muslims are too busy bickering over whether to fold or unfold our arms during prayer whilst the enemy is devising ways of cutting them off.

In fact I don’t know if this helps you or not since you seem to be in a similar situation to what I was in, but when I was younger I got put off practicing Islam externally when I was overwhelmed with all the sects and used to think “if the sheikhs can’t get it right, what’s the hope for me?” Anyway I overcame this with knowledge, experience and researching myself instead of just listening to shiekhs telling me what to think solely.


Ma salam sis.

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Sadly we Shias are very very misunderstood and things that I’ll mention here are just common stereotypes

1- we worship graves : well,DOES respecting our passed away family members or scholars means we are worshiping them although this item is all about Wahhabism 

2- We recognize Ali ((عليه السلام).) a prophet (or at some points they say “a god” ) : which if they had ever listened to our call to prayer we say “ Ali is god’s friend” 

3- We think Quran was changed during Othman time: we actually know that there are tons of hadiths about that the Quran that was written in that time is the one true Quran   And the reason they made up this thing is that they think imam Ali’s Wilayat wasn’t mentioned in Quran because they don’t believe in tafseer while they should because the gods word is very important and anyone can’t understand that although you should find the best mufassir 

and that’s it and while I was searching in YouTube there was a lot comments saying that Shias aren’t Muslim or ... 

you know, being Shia in a foreign country is very annoying because of the pressure from Muslims and non Muslim but with faith in god we Shias can endure 
 

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17 hours ago, Zxqn said:

But as a Shia, I've realised (especially on apps like Tiktok)

There's one part of the problem. Using social media is just exposing you more to the common moron with two cent opinions. 

 

13 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

I think our question as those who are striving to follow the truth should not be 'will God punish me if I follow something else' rather it should be 'how can I worship God and follows his instructions in the most correct manner'. 

Very important.

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19 hours ago, Zxqn said:

But as a Shia, I've realised (especially on apps like Tiktok), there is such a big Anti-Shia discourse

Tiktok has reportedly been used for cyberbullying and pornography. Since I don't use Tiktok, I had no idea that there are anti-Shia videos. Shameful.  

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On 8/6/2020 at 11:42 PM, Zxqn said:

I am not very knowledgeable about the differences so I am not asking anything particular like that. But as a Shia, I've realised (especially on apps like Tiktok), there is such a big Anti-Shia discourse, saying "they worship graves" etc. Now, being born into a Shia family, I feel like this sect makes me feel more connected to a "God" through the imams (in the sense that through them we learn about God more). This is especially true as I am trying to begin a spiritual journey and figure out the "truth". So if I find my way back to Islam I dont think ill ever not be Shia. Just yesterday someone was telling me "shias are more culturally muslim" insinuating that they don't practise as properly, which is ridiculous as I know so many religious Shia's.  

Basically my key issue is does being in a sect really matter? If you are a Muslim, you are a Muslim. You follow the five pillars etc. If God exists is he really going to punish you based on the sect you follow?To me, a answer in the positive would just force me in the opposite direction from God. Evidently, we constitute the minority of the Islamic population, so are you convinced that that's the actual truth?

Salam.

For you, in your case, it probably doesn’t matter.

 

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