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Insha’Allah brother.   Yes unfortunately that is very true. Our plight has been exploited and we have been used as pawns. In the process a lot (not all) Palestinians have been brainwashed

Not anger issue’s it’s common sense. 

I don’t see how this Surah contradicts anything I’ve just said. Everyone is judged accordingly to what they knew. A year ago you would’ve categorised me. Now I am a Shia. Allah knows best and guides w

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1 minute ago, THREE1THREE said:

Then what’s the point of judgment day ? 

I don’t think you need judgement day to know that raping is a sin. The Quran and hadiths tells us so. The point of judgement day is to be judged based on the choices you have made to either participate or abstain from sin. Your argument is flawed. Khalas.

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9 minutes ago, Mariam17 said:

I’m sorry brother but you are now speaking from naivety

I’m showing evidence that ghadir khumm was reminded to many people and the prophet told the people many things about imam Ali and Hussain ((عليه السلام)) and the one of the companions of Mu’awiyah narrated that the prophet said to Ammar bin Yasir that kaffirs will come him and when the time came the narrator was with the kaffirs. You be the judge of that. 

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1 minute ago, Mariam17 said:

the choices you have made to either participate or abstain from sin. Your argument is flawed. Khalas.

How did I commit a sin if I didn’t use my own will ? A sin is done when some disobeys out of his own will. I have a video about predestination by sayed Ammar. But I’m challenging you use your rationality on this one. 
 

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19 minutes ago, Mariam17 said:

I can tell you don’t socialise with “Sunnis” let alone “Palestinian Sunnis” in person to give such an explanation. You are portraying the event to be black and white.

 

I have, when proof has been presented to them after refuting all their arguments they turn away in arrogance the same way the evangelists do. 

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If you have chosen to rape someone then that is your own will. You don’t just fall on a woman and rape her. 

Predestination definition:

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Al-Qadr is the Muslim belief that Allah has decided everything that will happen in the world and in people's lives, which is also called predestination. Most Muslims believe that humans cannot choose to do something if Allah has not already chosen that path for them.

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows what will happen when Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) comes. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knew what was going to happen in Karbala. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows the Unseen. Proof of Allah knowing what will happen in the future is mentioned in the Quran and shown in His predictions. How are you telling me that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) isn’t the All Knower. Please stop responding I am tired of reading your replies that are baseless. I don’t care if Sayed Ammar Nakshawani made a so called video, I do what Imam Ali (عليه السلام) has instructed me to do:

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Know the truth, and you shall know it’s people.

 

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3 minutes ago, THREE1THREE said:

I have, when proof has been presented to them after refuting all their arguments they turn away in arrogance the same way the evangelists do. 

Again naivety. You only speak to them to argue with them. Get to know them in a human level and you will see things are not as black and white as things are the way you are presenting them as in context to what I said prior. 
 

You need to take the advice of (3:159) and stop referencing Christian scriptures in regards to dawah. I’m a Muslim not a Christian.

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5 minutes ago, Mariam17 said:

Get to know them in a human level

That’s an evangelical thing. And has nothing to do with debating about aqeeda. Just be of the patient and wait for my article everything will be elaborated on. The problem with Sunni’s logic is limited and don’t think far. 
 

7 minutes ago, Mariam17 said:

You need to take the advice of (3:159) and stop referencing Christian scriptures in regards to dawah. I’m a Muslim not a Christian.

Surah 5:48
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.

this is sufficient. 

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13 minutes ago, Mariam17 said:

If you have chosen to rape someone then that is your own will. You don’t just fall on a woman and rape her. 

Predestination definition:

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows what will happen when Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) comes. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knew what was going to happen in Karbala. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows the Unseen. Proof of Allah knowing what will happen in the future is mentioned in the Quran and shown in His predictions. How are you telling me that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) isn’t the All Knower. Please stop responding I am tired of reading your replies that are baseless. I don’t care if Sayed Ammar Nakshawani made a so called video, I do what Imam Ali (عليه السلام) has instructed me to do:

 

Can you lift a leg while lifting the other ? This is what the ratio is. Allah does not intefer but is constantly knowing like a spy  behind your back. 

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2 minutes ago, THREE1THREE said:

Surah 5:48
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.

this is sufficient. 

I don’t see how this Surah contradicts anything I’ve just said. Everyone is judged accordingly to what they knew. A year ago you would’ve categorised me. Now I am a Shia. Allah knows best and guides whom he wills, it is not for you to judge whether or not Palestinians are worthy of such guidance, or if they are capable to do such according to “Sunni logic”.

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3 minutes ago, THREE1THREE said:
19 minutes ago, Mariam17 said:

 

Can you lift a leg while lifting the other ? This is what the ratio is. Allah does not intefer but is constantly knowing like a spy  behind your back. 

Ok now you are just throwing out of context arguments. Look I could give you an explanation back and forth like I have been all day but I’m tired and only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can guide you not me. Please stop replying and let the onlookers judge. This discussion has ended, let’s end it respectfully and agree to disagree.

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2 minutes ago, Mariam17 said:

don’t see how this Surah contradicts anything I’ve just said.

You said not to use previous scriptures. Allah didn’t prevent us from looking at them taking the truth from them using the Quran as a measuring rod. 

 

4 minutes ago, Mariam17 said:

not Palestinians are worthy of such guidance,

The staunch can’t be guided but the ones aren’t can. 

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Just now, THREE1THREE said:

The staunch can’t be guided but the ones aren’t can.

Only Allah knows.

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Will do. Assalamu walaikum brother. Alhamdulilah we have ended this discussion hopefully gaining an insight to each other’s mindsets whilst remaining respectful. 
 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide us all.

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1 minute ago, Mariam17 said:

Will do. Assalamu walaikum brother. Alhamdulilah we have ended this discussion hopefully gaining an insight to each other’s mindsets whilst remaining respectful. 
 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide us all.

Be sure to atleast see sayed Ammars Video, their have been thread about predestination so you can have a look at those. 

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