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1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

You win today's "Mastery of Understatement" award.

Do you think it was an attack or accident? And where do you think the chemicals were seized from?

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Lebanon in the 50s and 60s was already at the peakpoint of corruption. 

I was in that exact location in Beirut a year ago it’s extremely beautiful. Now I think how sad it is that lebanon never catches a break. My parents generation never did, nor does this generation

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6 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Accident -but an avoidable one.

I think I agree. I guess we will see. Politicians can blame anyone to escape blame themselves, so there is really no telling what is going to happen.

One other thought though:

Because these chemicals were recently seized, the warehouse was probably just a temporary storage area, not meant to be used for long term purposes. Or not equipped for long term storage. Nobody would plan to store such a quantity of ignitable chemicals under a populated shipping area, long term.

It's not like it was an underground bunker or in a cave. These were probably just abruptly placed into a storage facility where they never reached their final destination. 

And with that, an accident could be even more probable, given that the storage facility likely didn't have the safety measures and quality it should have had.

Like sticking your car in a shed temporarily, before taking it to a garage.

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Over 70 killed, nearly 4,000 injured in Beirut huge blast

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A warehouse at the Beirut Port caught fire on Tuesday afternoon, triggering a huge explosion, Lebanon’s official National News Agency (NNA) reported.

Several smaller explosions were heard before the bigger one occurred.

The blast left enormous material damage to the surrounding buildings and structures. But it was not immediately known how big an area was affected.

Graphic amateur video from the scene showed bodies strewn on the ground, with their clothes blown off.

The NNA said rescue operations were underway. Ambulances were seen heading toward the scene in central Beirut.

Lebanese LBC television channel quoted Lebanon’s Health Minister Hamad Hasan as saying that the blast had caused a “very high number of injuries” and “extensive damage.”

The health ministery in Lebanon later announced that the death toll from the massive explosion in Beirut stood at more than 70, and the number of injured was over 3,700.

Beirut Governor Marwan Abboud said an unspecified number of firefighters dispatched to extinguish the initial fire had been killed in the explosion.

“As they were putting out the fire, the explosion took place and we’ve [lost them],” he said, breaking down on live TV.

https://en.abna24.com/news//over-70-killed-nearly-4000-injured-in-beirut-huge-blast_1060341.html

Hezbollah: Beirut blasts ‘national tragedy’

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AhlulBayt News Agency (ABNA): Hezbollah offered condolences on Tuesday over the “national tragedy” of Beirut Port blasts, as Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah delayed his speech which was scheduled on Wednesday night.

In a statement released few hours after the blasts took place at Beirut Port, Hezbollah offered “deepest condolences over the national tragedy which took place in Lebanon in these hard times.”

“This grievous disaster, along with its unprecedented repercussions and damage it had caused on several levels, requires a national stand by all Lebanese people and powers in a bid to overcome this ordeal.”

Hezbollah, meanwhile, hailed all medical and rescue teams over their efforts to help all those who were harmed by the blasts. In this context, the Lebanese Resistance party voiced readiness to offer all kinds of help for Lebanese citizens in this regard.

“We put all capabilities to serve our honored people and dear citizens when necessary.”

Hezbollah concluded the statement, asking Allah to grant mercy upon the martyrs and hoping speedy recovery for the wounded.

Also on Tuesday, Hezbollah announced that Sayyed Nasrallah’s speech scheduled on Wednesday was adjourned to a date that will be announced later, citing the national mourning which Lebanon is witnessing over the massive explosions.

https://en.abna24.com/news//hezbollah-beirut-blasts-‘national-tragedy’_1060343.html

Video: Huge blast in Lebanese capital (Graphic amateur video from the scene showed bodies strewn on the ground, with their clothes blown off.)

https://en.abna24.com/news//lebanon_1060331.html

Lebanon's explosion regretful, worrisome: Iranian FM spox

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AhlulBayt News Agency (ABNA): Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Abbas Mousavi described Beirut deadly explosion which left hundreds killed and wounded as regretful and worrisome.

Describing the deadly blast which left hundreds killed and wounded as regretful and worrisome, Mousavi said, "We follow up this incident and its news with great sadness."

He expressed solidarity with Lebanese government and people, emphasizing Iran's readiness for helping Lebanese brothers and sisters.

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif also expressed sympathy with Lebanese people over the deadly blast which claimed the lives of scores of people.

He said that Iran is fully prepared to render assistance in any way necessary, adding, "Stay strong, Lebanon".

https://en.abna24.com/news//lebanons-explosion-regretful-worrisome-iranian-fm-spox_1060348.html

Iranian FM sympathizes with Lebanon over deadly blast

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"Our thoughts and prayers are with the great and resilient people of Lebanon," Zarif wrote in his Twitter account late on Tuesday.

"As always, Iran is fully prepared to render assistance in any way necessary," Zarif added.

"Stay strong, Lebanon," he reiterated.

https://en.abna24.com/news//iranian-fm-sympathizes-with-lebanon-over-deadly-blast_1060353.html

 

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1 hour ago, iCenozoic said:

facility where they never reached their final destination. 

And what would have been the final destination of thousands of tonnes of explosives? 

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Points to consider in favor of this being an attack by Israel @iCenozoic @hasanhh

1. Israel has suffered a great embarrassment when their own soldiers fired at each other thinking they were Hezbollah fighters.

2. Iran/Hezbollah have threatened to attack Israel.

3. Israel prepared a heavy defense for a potential attack four days prior to striking Beirut today.

4. Donald Trump's input was critical and undermining what he said because of his claims towards COVID is inconsistent, because this is Israel's biggest ally saying that they did it, basically throwing them under the bus. A commentator for Israel stated that this was 'a stab in the back' 

5. Is Hezbollah really that foolish to put such explosive material in one of the most important areas in the country, considering that any potential explosion would devastate the nation completely.

6. Israel presumed that the attack which was soon to come from Hezbollah would lead to war, therefore instead of sitting there and waiting for their response, they opted to attack a critical area in Lebanon which is not too fond of Hezbollah as well, to weaken the morale of the people and draw greater instability within the nation.

7.  Israel has now offered its hand to the lebanese people after attacking them so as to present a way out from war to the battered country. 

8. Scientific jargon has oftentimes been proven to be miscalculated, and experts have already stated that this explosion was the doing of a bomb similar to a mini-nuke

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Just now, Mohammadi_follower said:

But do you think that could be an accident provoked by the Lebanese government or hezbollah? 

This is a near impossibility brother, do you really think the government or Hezbollah would store such destructive equipment in such a critical location? And if they were to do so then it wouldn't be handled by some ordinary people who don't know how to deal with such hazardous material. 

Drawing examples from the unfortunate plane shooting is like comparing apples and oranges, first of all I don't think the plane that was shot down was an accident, rather a treasonous act by one of the soldiers, and even if it was an accident this was during the night in the most tense times since the Iran-Iraq war. 

To reiterate the most critical points, 

1. The U.S admitted it was a bomb 

2. Experts said it was a bomb 

3. War was seemingly inevitable, why not be the first to drop a bomb

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ScreenHunter-443-1.jpg Israeli Delilah missile carrying 6 kiloton (6000 tons of TNT equivalent) nuclear missile (unretouched photo via VT Damascus) Tineye says this is a unique image and doesn’t appear anywhere on the web.  We, however, are always suspicious when something seems ‘too good to be true.’

ScreenHunter-447-scaled.jpg Pixel analysis says this is a good photo. Thus, debunking it will become a huge issue. An army of trolls is already on Twitter and Facebook.

” First explosion was caused by Gabriel anti ship missile of Israel. The second explosion was caused by Israeli Delilah missile from F16. Our country is in complete jeopardy with this lazy and corrupt regime.” 

This is the radiation signature of the explosion received from a source in Italy, submitted to VT by the International Atomic Energy Agency (UN)

VT: A general in the Lebanese Army reports that Israel dropped a tactical nuclear weapon on the port of Beirut today.  He reports that this was done to collapse the current political regime there and revolt against Hezbollah.

Their denial, almost identical to Israel’s supports this hypothesis.

As the lies begin, nothing about this explosion, the mushroom cloud or the strength of the explosion is fireworks, which was the first lie, then ammonium nitrate fertilizer, they say under 3k tons, which was stored for years to use on Lebanon’s golf courses, when they decide to build them.  No, nothing about today is funny.

We also add that earlier today, Netanyahu’s statement which we believe is Israel taking credit for the attack.  Beirut is still bomb damaged by Israel from 2006.

“Getting reports from Beirut, a tactical miniature nuclear bomb has been used to attack the port, nuclear experts and researchers have randomly pointed out to the reacted particles in the fire ball.

Conventional nukes against Japan had 15 to 21 kilotons. But this explosion is different, it is because of modern tactical nuke that contains up to 10 kilotons of the hybrid material including uranium. It is this reason why we still have acid and radiation in the air. The storage facilities near the grain elevator are NOT marked for hazardous material storage, but are instead marked for general cargo. Therefore, you can guess it, what we will be fed in the coming hours.” – Ghayet Ali

Jeff Smith of the IAEA confirms this is a nuclear explosion. ... The smoke could well be missile fuel which may mean a missile storage facility was hit by Israel. We have confirmation from Israel that they were planning to attack Beirut 5 days ago in retaliation for Hezbollah’s military attacks on Golan, which were not reported anywhere.

Beirut Governor Calls Explosion a ‘National Disaster Akin to Hiroshima

Earlier/VT: Two explosions in Beirut, one a conventional guided bomb followed by a small nuclear weapon.

Confirmed: Israel Nukes Beirut

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When we said that the Tianjin Port Area was nuked after China was successively devaluing her Yuan currency for days [abruptly halted on the 3rd day, although we were expecting that it could have been a sustained devaluation purposely to shut down the fiat economy of the West], we were of course ridiculed and frowned upon for having jumped too early with nuclear conclusions.
But we saw what we saw and the common signatures of ordinary chemical explosions were not present, although the fire prior to the two explosions may have been chemical in nature.
Instead, the second/main explosion was preceded by a huge ultra-bright light and its delayed electromagnetic shockwave were the giveaways that a nuclear bomb was used.

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The extent of the devastation is such that it must have been a very big bang indeed.

The mobile phone as radiation detector
The key clue that allowed us to identify the use of a nuke in Yemen was the presence of scintillating pixels – white dots that flashed on and off briefly in the mobile phone videos of the explosion. The CCD imaging sensor within the camera phone is being struck by radiation thus causing a pixel to overload and appear white; in this way a mobile phone can serve double duty as a crude but effective radiation detector.

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Thousands of burnt out Volkswagen Beetles close to ground zero in Tianjin. Thousands of burnt out Volkswagen Beetles close to ground zero in Tianjin.

West deployed mini-nukes against China in 2015

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235067297-911-solved-mini-nukes-took-down-wtc/?tab=comments#comment-3296258

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235067253-explosion-at-iranian-plant/?tab=comments#comment-3295778

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235067253-explosion-at-iranian-plant/?tab=comments#comment-3296020

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29.05.2015 |

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Nuclear strike hits Yemen. Video. Nuclear bomb

Source: YouTube screenshot

Saudis (actually, Americans and Israelis who are controlling the Saudis – ed.) have begun to wipe Yemen off the map. Tactical strikes have hit the city.

Western use of tactical mini-nukes in Yemen

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Breathtaking: Solving Nuclear 9/11, the Pommer Report

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Submitted by Heinz Pommer with Jeff Prager to Veterans Today

Introduction by Gordon Duff with Ian Greenhalgh and Jeff Smith (Nuclear weapons designer/particle physicist)

Nuclear 9/11: Step-by-Step, Science-Based Explanations with FULL Illustrations Proving 9/11 Nuclear False Flag

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In the early morning of 26 June 2020, a huge explosion occurred close to the military base in Parchin. According to the Defense Ministry spokesman Davoud Abdi, it was due to “a gas leak” at a “gas storage facility” near the base.[12][13][14]

In news that was released the next day by the Associated Press, Sentinel-2 satellite images show signs of a vast blackened area in the hills located next to the ammunitions facility and the cruise missile factory at Khojir missile base, which is evidence of an explosion and fire[15] that lit up the night sky in Tehran.[16][12]

“An explosion turned the skyline east of the capital, Tehran, a bright orange for several seconds.”  Credit…@2_ordu, via Twitter

So, what do we know? Very little indeed, but it definitely looks like a cruise missile carrying a nuclear warhead destroyed something, probably an underground facility. I consulted VT’s exert on all things nuclear, Jeff Smith and he concurred that a nuclear warhead on a cruise missile was the likely scenario.

Who did it? The obvious culprits are the US and Israel.

Screenshot_2020-06-28-Iran-explosion-BlaClearly a nuclear explosion – the white hot centre of the blast indicates a plasma ball. No conventional explosion burns this hot.

 

Evidence: West nuked underground ballistic-missile facility in Parchin, Iran

What a “coincidence”: Lebanon mini-nukes coincide with seventy-fifth anniversary of Hiroshima, Nagasaki

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1 hour ago, starlight said:

And what would have been the final destination of thousands of tonnes of explosives? 

Maybe a location not within a docking facility. Usually weapons are stored in bases or bunkers. Maybe in caves etc. But these were in what sounded like an insufficiently located and perhaps insufficiently designed or secured warehouse on a civilian space.

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1 hour ago, Mohammad313Ali said:

 

To reiterate the most critical points, 

1. The U.S admitted it was a bomb 

2. Experts said it was a bomb 

3. War was seemingly inevitable, why not be the first to drop a bomb

I wouldn't bother repeating Trump's words as if they're meaningful. Everyone knows Trump is both right and wrong 100% of the time because he continually says random contradictory things about every topic. Trump has also been contradicted by his advisors practically on a daily basis and on every topic, and they're contradicting him now as well:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/politics/defense-officials-contradict-trump-beirut/index.html

So if your main argument involves words of the Donald, it's basically meaningless.

Pretty much anytime there is a disaster in the ME, people start hopping on the doomsday train, but given the recent events in Iran with their airliner, it's probably better to await formal investigation before coming up with ideas about US stealth jets flying through Iranian airspace and jamming defense signals etc. (Yes this did seem to be a popular explanation at the time and people who thought it, you know who you are).

It may have been caused by a bomb. It may not have been. There doesn't appear to be a consensus among experts, at least not here in the US. Your video appeared to display a bird (not a drone or missile), similar to the same black birds observed in other videos of the same explosion.

And honestly, if we really care about the people of Lebanon, we shouldn't be raising flags that we don't have evidence for. 

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6 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

There doesn't appear to be a consensus among experts

Of course there is no consensus, not everyone is going to stab Israel in the back like trump did.

6 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

we don't have evidence for.

I believe the evidence is tantamount, I don’t know if you have seen the video I can DM it to you if you have Instagram, the moment the second missile strikes the explosion bursts. 

If the main argument is it’s questionable because trump said it, I don’t know what else to say.

Also consider the eight points I raised earlier, there has been lots of tension and it would make all the more sense for Israel to attack instead of wait, and then create an outlet for Hezbollah under the guise of, “it was their fault”, however, their plans seem to have been foiled. It hasn’t even been a day! 

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36 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

Maybe a location not within a docking facility. Usually weapons are stored in bases or bunkers. Maybe in caves etc. But these were in what sounded like an insufficiently located and perhaps insufficiently designed or secured warehouse on a civilian space.

This is all the more reason why an Israeli attack makes more sense

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3 minutes ago, Mohammad313Ali said:

Of course there is no consensus, not everyone is going to stab Israel in the back like trump did.

I believe the evidence is tantamount, I don’t know if you have seen the video I can DM it to you if you have Instagram, the moment the second missile strikes the explosion bursts. 

If the main argument is it’s questionable because trump said it, I don’t know what else to say.

Also consider the eight points I raised earlier, there has been lots of tension and it would make all the more sense for Israel to attack instead of wait, and then create an outlet for Hezbollah under the guise of, “it was their fault”, however, their plans seem to have been foiled. It hasn’t even been a day! 

Your first statement is meaningless. And yes, I saw the video, it appears to be a bird, not a missile (and there are black birds visible in other videos of the same explosion too). And that's fine if you don't know what else to say. Most people who quote trump generally run out of things to say all the time.

In truth, there are still too many unanswered questions. What caused the smaller fire before the explosion? You seem to believe that it was a missile but obviously nobody knows that. Where did those 70 tractor trailer loads of chemical explosives come from? How were they stored? These are ignitable chemicals that have a history of incidental cases of spontaneous combustion. 

I posted earlier a fire on some random farm in Texas that caused a massive explosion because of these chemicals. There was no bomb needed. 

The explosion has brought danger to people of western nations, wasn't there a recorded fatality of an Australian? Various western nations are sending aid, which decreases likelyhood of western action, which includes Israeli. It's just not a western style to attack a port. Its more likely either an accident or something more rogue in nature.

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4 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

One other thing I find interesting is how the president of Lebanon seems to be asking the question of how the chemicals got there. And saying that those responsible will pay the price and how it's unacceptable that these chemicals were stored there for years without proper safety measures.

But in truth, it happened on his watch. 

A president should be aware of a massive stockpile of explosives under a heavily populated docking area, to be perfectly honest.

And I think this suggests some form of irresponsibility. 

It leads me to wonder, when their government does choose who to blame, if the blame will be in the right individuals, or on a scapegoat.

If the improper storage were truly unacceptable, then as the country's leader, he should have acted on it.

The chemicals could have been mixed over the last minute.

Also how do you know exactly this happened in his watch? This could have easly been hidden from him by people who know how to hide stuff and pay some of the corrupt authorities to look the other way, I mean my country litterally has virtually no rules when it comes to cars, I dont think their inspection would be top notch.

This juat does not feel like something ths lebanese government would do, it ruins the alread bad economy and it just benefits no one there.

Now this would defently benefit lebanons ennemies(obviously) and If you think things can't happen under the nose of governments in lebanon think again, during the 2006 war I remeber Jumblat how under the nose of a lot of people in power he kind of betrayed the country for example.

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7 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

What caused the smaller fire before the explosion? You seem to believe that it was a missile but obviously nobody knows that. Where did those 70 tractor trailer loads of chemical explosives come from? How were they stored? These are ignitable chemicals that have a history of incidental cases of spontaneous combustion. 

The earlier fire was the decoy...

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8 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

Most people who quote trump generally run out of things to say all the time.

What has been said and shown is enough, I think the eight points I raised were very clear and consistent, now what’s left is to agree to disagree and wait for the issue to unravel - if it does. 

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12 minutes ago, Mohammad313Ali said:

What has been said and shown is enough, I think the eight points I raised were very clear and consistent, now what’s left is to agree to disagree and wait for the issue to unravel - if it does. 

Well, the U.S. and Israel have been using mini-nukes for decades, including in Yemen recently, and not even Iran publicly disclosed this fact or did anything about it.

Not very promising. The U.S. and Israel are quite confident because they control information space, weather, secret technology, bioweapons, mini-nukes, et cetera...

Iran doesn’t seem to have much of a defence, since the West recently nuked the Parchin facility, thereby defeating air defences, and Iran stayed quiet about it...

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4 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

Because these chemicals were recently seized, the warehouse was probably just a temporary storage area, not meant

The BBC reported this A.M. that these chemicals had been stored in that warehouse for six years.

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Just fyi not all big explosions are nukes. If this was a nuclear explosion half of Beirut would be destroyed and we'd be hearing of radiation damage. 

There are thousands of big explosive materials, nukes are not the only one that creates mushroom cloud and shockwave. 

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2 minutes ago, Kaya said:

Just fyi not all big explosions are nukes. If this was a nuclear explosion half of Beirut would be destroyed and we'd be hearing of radiation damage. 

There are thousands of big explosive materials, nukes are not the only one that creates mushroom cloud and shockwave. 

The nearby sea played a major factor in minimizing the catastrophe that could have been caused by the explosion.

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l do not know how a lot of SCers run to the fantasy of "israeIi nuke" every time a large explosion occurs.

Here is a video of a 4,000lbs blockbuster, so-called because it could take-down a city block of buildings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38x6Em-KpMY 

Another example, better lMH0: the larger, 12,000 Tall Boy and T-10 GP bombs had 9,550lbof Torpex (developed for torpedoe loading) which was 6.5 tons equivalent of TNT.

These kinds of bomb loadings have the brisance that ammonium nitrate no-where near has. As such, they "shatter" the target area and mostly blow upward, as opposed to the slower burning ammonium nitrate building up sustained pressure. Think quarrying operation. Those explosives not only have to crack the rock, but more importantly 'shove' it outward --which is  why high brisance explosives are not used.

This is why 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate about leveled the surrounding area.

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3 hours ago, Zxqn said:

I was in that exact location in Beirut a year ago it’s extremely beautiful.

Now I think how sad it is that lebanon never catches a break. My parents generation never did, nor does this generation. 

It’s such a beautiful country and just when they begin to prosper they get hit with something again, I truely hope my lebanese brothers and sisters can get through this again . 

That is true. My wife is from Lebanon and she has been in contact with her family who live in Beirut. None of them live in this area of Beirut, so there ok. Alhamduillah. I have been to this area several times and it is a beautiful area. 

I think that every single government official in Lebanon (yes, including the Hezb, the government ministers, not the ones engaged in defense) should be sacked and an entirely new government should be elected by the people. The govt is completely worthless. They cannot protect the country from economic collapse, infrastructure collapse, and they cannot even protect their lives, which are the basic functions of government. If they cannot or will not do these things, they need to be thrown out. Plain and simple. I think the last few years has shown that the Lebanese government is not willing or not able to function like a government should function, in any way, shape or form. If this was an accident, and not an attack by Israel, which is not clear to me at this point, this accident will go down in history as one of the most extreme acts of government incompetence ever witnessed anywhere. 

Also, I think part of this is due to the fact that the govt is elected based on community affiliation (Shia, Sunni, Christian, Druze). This is a stupid system, IMHO. Government officials need to be elected based on their ability to govern and their moral characters. In most other places in the world, people couldn't care less whether their President or Prime Minister, what community affiliation they have, as long as they are doing a good job in their position. In Lebanon, for some reason, which community you were born into is more important that actually how well you do your job. This is backward thinking that needs to change. 

I think it's time for some extreme acts of civil disobedience, not violent acts, but acts that show the government 100% that the people will not accept this kind of 'government' anymore.

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3 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

That is true. My wife is from Lebanon and she has been in contact with her family who live in Beirut. None of them live in this area of Beirut, so there ok. Alhamduillah. I have been to this area several times and it is a beautiful area. 

I think that every single government official in Lebanon (yes, including the Hezb, the government ministers, not the ones engaged in defense) should be sacked and an entirely new government should be elected by the people. The govt is completely worthless. They cannot protect the country from economic collapse, infrastructure collapse, and they cannot even protect their lives, which are the basic functions of government. If they cannot or will not do these things, they need to be thrown out. Plain and simple. I think the last few years has shown that the Lebanese government is not willing or not able to function like a government should function, in any way, shape or form. If this was an accident, and not an attack by Israel, which is not clear to me at this point, this accident will go down in history as one of the most extreme acts of government incompetence ever witnessed anywhere. 

I think it's time for some extreme acts of civil disobedience, not violent acts, but acts that show the government 100% that the people will not accept this kind of 'government' anymore.

Not to be a conspiracy theorist but part of me really fails to see how this is an accident. Its been there for SIX years, and now, when the country is in a state of economic instability and the port is being used to get resources from the outside, NOW it explodes?

If it is an accident, then like you said, it just reflects the incompetency of the government; they are too concerned with their own desires they neglect to put food on the tables of their people and knowledge in their brains.But the people have protested, they've called for change and nothing happens. Part of me is antagonistic towards the West's attitudes to Lebanon. It takes a full blown explosion for the country to get attention. 

Notre Dame had $1 billion raised for its repair in TWO days, I bet everything Lebanon will not see half of that in a month.Shame people place more value on a building than on human life. Nevertheless, like they always do, they will muster up the courage to build again as the cycle continues. 

 

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Not to be a conspiracy theorist but part of me really fails to see how this is an accident. Its been there for SIX years, and now, when the country is in a state of economic instability and the port is being used to get resources from the outside, NOW it explodes?

If it is an accident, then like you said, it just reflects the incompetency of the government; they are too concerned with their own desires they neglect to put food on the tables of their people and knowledge in their brains.But the people have protested, they've called for change and nothing happens. Part of me is antagonistic towards the West's attitudes to Lebanon. It takes a full blown explosion for the country to get attention. 

Notre Dame had $1 billion raised for its repair in TWO days, I bet everything Lebanon will not see half of that in a month.Shame people place more value on a building than on human life. Nevertheless, like they always do, they will muster up the courage to build again as the cycle continues. 

 

That fact seems strange to me too, but we have to decide based on the evidence. I know several people who live in the area and they said that those chemicals were sitting there for a long time and these chemicals are so volatile (ammonium nitrate, etc) that even a slight change in temperature and pressure can cause them to combust (explode), leading to a chain reaction. I haven't seen any evidence that there were outside forces involved. If I see this evidence, I may change my mind on this, but currently, all the evidence points to extreme, monumental government incompetence and disregard by the govt for the lives and safety of the people. 

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21 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

Also, I think part of this is due to the fact that the govt is elected based on community affiliation (Shia, Sunni, Christian, Druze). This is a stupid system, IMHO. Government officials need to be elected based on their ability to govern and their moral characters. In most other places in the world, people couldn't care less whether their President or Prime Minister, what community affiliation they have, as long as they are doing a good job in their position. In Lebanon, for some reason, which community you were born into is more important that actually how well you do your job. This is backward thinking that needs to change.

A similar system is implemented in Iraq, with Kurds, Sunni, Shia division. With the exception that there is a (hidden) Wilayat al-Faqih, who always calls the prime ministers to step down when there is civil dissatisfaction:

-Maliki had to resign

-Abadi had to resign

-Abdul-Mahdi had to resign

I hope the war in Syria gets finished soon. All problems lie there now as Lebanon currently has no borders to bring in help.

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13 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

That fact seems strange to me too,

When the shipload of ammonium nitrate exploded in Texas City in 1947, as l remember the anchor was found in a refinery's field two miles away.

There are three ways to manufacture ammonium nitrate and it is the manufacturing history that determines its final properties. One history the nitrate is stable, in another history it is prone to spontaneously catching fire and in the third history, spontaneous explosions.

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