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On 8/13/2020 at 12:44 PM, hasanhh said:

This is not a clear sentence. Can you re-write it?

As an aside, this is the first time @Ashvazdanghe and l have read the same post and have opposite reactions. Bro, what part(s) do you disagree with?

Salam all of @Cherub786 points except No.1 all of other points by him/her  just based on wahabi & American propganda agianst Iran & Shia muslims that he/she in no.2 mentioned a fabricated hadith against Iran from anti Iran wahabi propaganda and his/her point about Hashemits iNo.3 is also wrong because they were agents of Ottomans but after losing Hijaz to wahabists they became ally of British Colonizers that all of Jordan kings & some of Saud monarchies were members of freemasonry from first king of Jordan from Hashemit tribe until now have  highest ranking in Order_of_the_Bath that in No.4 it's clear that Salafism & wahabism created by Freemasons but he/she escapes from it in name of modernism & in No.5 about rule of America he/she is promoting wahabi/ American propaganda against Shia groups in Iraq & in No.6 is an insult to @Northwest that says he can't judge which group is true because he has agnostic title . 

 

On 8/13/2020 at 11:09 AM, Cherub786 said:

1. How is it the West's responsibility to restore orthodox Islam, when the West isn't Muslim in the first place? That responsibility is on Muslims themselves. So I don't understand why you made that point.

Also, your profile says you are an agnostic, but you appear to be speaking from a Muslim perspective, thereby confusing me.

2. Your point that the West seeks to profit itself by giving itself access to global resources is not disputed. That is pretty much what every civilization or superpower does, that is their primary motivation. I am not saying that the West is on our side because they genuinely care about us, but because, coincidentally, our interests align and we are closer to each other. If we divide the world into West (America, Europe) and East (China, Russia), then the Muslim world naturally inclines to the West for a variety of reasons. We can go all the way back to the time of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم when he and his Sahabah رضى الله عنهم favored the Byzantine Roman empire over the Sasanid Persian empire, such that they became joyful when the Byzantines defeated the Sasanids in battle. America and Europe is Judeo-Christian, while China is atheist and communist, it's only natural we align with the West against the East.

3. This idea that the Western powers foster sectarianism and division of the Muslims is a conspiracy theory that doesn't have solid facts to justify it. You say the West created the Saudi dynasty to undermine the Ottomans, but that is historically false. As a matter of fact, during World War 1, the British facilitated the Hashemites of the Hijaz in their insurrection against the Ottomans. The Hashemite Arab rebellion was not Wahhabi, in fact, they fought with the Wahhabis who defeated them.

4. That Sufism, Salafism and Wahhabism originate in Freemasonry is another conspiracy theory that is plainly false. Sufism predates the Freemason movement. Yes its true that certain modernists like Muhammad Abduh, had a connection with Freemasonry. But I am not a modernist nor do I subscribe to that trend or approach to Islam. Sufism is in many ways the polar opposite of Islamic modernism.

5. Sectarianism was alive and well much before the British arrived on the scene. Sectarianism and sectarian riots have been happening through Muslim history. Medieval Nishapur is one of the worst examples of sectarian riots breaking out between various sects and sub-sects. The British or any other European colonial power never needed any help in making Muslim fight each other, we do that fine on ourselves. In fact, when America was occupying Iraq, they tried their level best to control the sectarian violence, but it spiraled out of control because Iraqis themselves were so bloodthirsty and intent on killing their own neighbors. It was the Iraqi militias that ethnically cleansed Baghdad of members of the other sect, the Americans had nothing to do with it.

6. Since you are an agnostic, what standard do you use to determine and judge which Muslim sects are orthodox and which ones are heterodox?

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Lebanon in the 50s and 60s was already at the peakpoint of corruption. 

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AhlulBayt News Agency (ABNA): The chairman of the Iranian Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Commission underlined the country’s continued backing for stability in Lebanon.

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AhlulBayt News Agency (ABNA): Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said that the Lebanese nation is able to go through the current tough conditions.

Zarif made the remarks in a meeting on Friday with the Lebanese President Michel Aoun in Beirut.

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https://en.abna24.com/news//33-day-war-symbol-of-lebanese’-victory-over-difficulties-zarif_1062664.html

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52 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam all of @Cherub786 points except No.1 all of other points by him/her  just based on wahabi & American propganda agianst Iran & Shia muslims that he/she in no.2 mentioned a fabricated hadith against Iran from anti Iran wahabi propaganda and his/her point about Hashemits iNo.3 is also wrong because they were agents of Ottomans but after losing Hijaz to wahabists they became ally of British Colonizers that all of Jordan kings & some of Saud monarchies were members of freemasonry from first king of Jordan from Hashemit tribe until now have  highest ranking in Order_of_the_Bath that in No.4 it's clear that Salafism & wahabism created by Freemasons but he/she escapes from it in name of modernism & in No.5 about rule of America he/she is promoting wahabi/ American propaganda against Shia groups in Iraq & in No.6 is an insult to @Northwest that says he can't judge which group is true because he has agnostic title . 

Which fabricated Hadith did I mention against Iran? I don't believe I mentioned any Hadith about Iran.

There is one Hadith about Iran which I'm familiar with. It is the well-known incident from the Sirah when the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم wrote a letter to Khosrow Parwez inviting him to accept Islam, but the Iranian emperor ripped up the letter and ordered his vassal in Yemen to arrest the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and bring him to him in chains (God forbid).

When the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم learned of this, he prayed against Iran, saying words to the effect that just as the Iranian emperor ripped up my letter, Allah Most High shall rip up his empire. And that's exactly what happened.

The Hashemites were allies of the British at least a decade before they lost the Hijaz to the Saudis. The Hashemites were allied with British as far back as the First World War (1914-1918), whereas they lost Hijaz to the Saudis around 1924-1925. Brush up on your history.

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Qom Friday Prayer Leader:‎ Beirut explosion ‘definitely perpetrated by internal mercenaries and external agents’‎

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In another part of his speech, he referred to the West’s conspiracy against Lebanon, saying, ‎‎“The terrible explosion in Lebanon was definitely perpetrated by internal mercenaries and ‎external agents and the West started sedition instead of expressing sympathy with the ‎Lebanese people. The President of France [Emmanuel Macron] apparently went to Lebanon ‎to offer condolences but made threatening remarks and the Prime Minister of Lebanon ‎‎[Hasan Diab] was forced to resign.”‎

Ayatollah Hoseyni-Bushehri referred to the wise management of Hujjat al-Islam Sayyid Hasan ‎Nasrallah in Lebanon, said, “We hope that Sayyid Hasan, as always, will overcome the ‎sedition of the enemies with patience and wisdom, and that Lebanon, the bride of the Middle ‎East, will return to peace.”‎

https://en.abna24.com/news//qom-friday-prayer-leader‎-beirut-explosion-‘definitely-perpetrated-by-internal-mercenaries-and-external-agents’‎_1062995.html

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On 8/15/2020 at 10:44 AM, Cherub786 said:

When the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم learned of this, he prayed against Iran, saying words to the effect that just as the Iranian emperor ripped up my letter, Allah Most High shall rip up his empire. And that's exactly what happened.

The Hashemites were allies of the British at least a decade before they lost the Hijaz to the Saudis. The Hashemites were allied with British as far back as the First World War (1914-1918), whereas they lost Hijaz to the Saudis around 1924-1925. Brush up on your history.

Salam he prayed against  Emperor of Iran not people & country of Iran also there is many narrations  in sunni & Shia narrations  that prophet Muhammd (pbu) & Ahlulbayt  (عليه السلام) praised Iranians after accepting  Islam by them like accepting  Islam by Iranian  residents in Yemen but still wahabist don't  accept  the accepting  of Islam by Iranians & spread their hatred against Iranian  based you logic & these type of hadiths anyway prophet  Muhammad  (pbu) didn't  favor any nation or country like Byzantium over Iran & the story of this favoring added by other people that hated Iranians like now that they are favoring  Zionism & Israel over Muslims specially  Shias  & Iran which letter of prophet  Muhammad  (pbu) is shown in following  link but there is nothing  about preferring Byzantium  to Iran. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_letters_to_the_heads_of_state

http://wikifeqh.ir/فرستاده_پیامبر_به_ایران

https://hawzah.net/fa/Article/View/97363/تحقیقی-پیرامون-نامه-پیامبر-(ص)-به-خسرو-پرویز

http://daneshnameh.roshd.ir/mavara/mavara-index.php?page=نامه+پیامبر+اکرم+به+خسرو+پرویز،+پادشاه+ایران&SSOReturnPage=Check&Rand=0

about Hashemits they were always with winner of any war to secure their existence in power that they received  their reward as ruling on Jordan  .

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Analysis: What does Iran want for Lebanon?

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Lebanon: Not place for foreign intervention

The Iranian FM described his trip as carrying a message of support and solidarity with disaster-hit Lebanese people. He said that the Islamic Republic was ready to unconditionally help the Arab country rebuild the enormous destruction caused by the huge explosion. On August 4, a huge blast rocked Beirut port, leaving over 150 dead and thousands injured, as well as a major part of the capital was reduced to ruins. ...

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On 8/19/2020 at 4:35 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Analysis: What does Iran want for Lebanon?

The part that l find "hokey" is the "investigation". We already know where the ammonium nitrate came from, where it was stored, that port officials ( and l also believe the police, from  what l read) often alerted their superiors about the hazard. Nothing was done.

Other than answering the question: why was this hazardous condition ignored by more senior authorities? What else is there to know(investigate)?

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2 hours ago, hasanhh said:

why was this hazardous condition ignored by more senior authorities? What else is there to know(investigate)?

Salam because the port was controlled  by most corrupted party in Lebanon that storage of ammonium nitrate was belonged  to a person that is very close to Mr.Hariri & this person is one of greatest financial  supporters of Hariri party also it's possible that they had plan to sell storage secretly  to any anti shia group that would emerge after recent demonstration  in Lebanon.

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On 8/6/2020 at 7:34 AM, hasanhh said:

French President Marcon is in Beirut now. France is sending a lot of stuff into its former colony.

Arm-twisting or front for re-colonization?

Withholding money.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/france-macron-returns-beirut-press-reforms-200831181941308.html

 

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