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6 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

The British are also to be appreciated for their special favors to us the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent. They liberated Punjab from the tyranny of the Akalis and Nihangs, fully restoring the religious liberty of Muslims, and they gave us the gift of Pakistan

Sarcasm aside, this post is technically true. The British continually sided with feudal Muslim elites against the mixed peasantry and played a major role in creating Pakistan in order to prevent the emergence of a unified Indian federation. Many Muslims like to ignore this fact, but it is historically salient. People like to pretend that the West discriminates against the Muslim ummah as a whole, but in fact Muslim elites, especially Sunni, have been the West’s preferred neocolonial clients. The Wahhabi–Salafi regimes beside the Persian Gulf have long played a major role in financing pro-Western/pro-Zionist Sunni regimes from Pakistan to Indonesia, Brunei, and Malaysia, along with the Gaza Strip and Sudan. During the Cold War even the IRI sided with the West against the USSR in Afghanistan—thereby facilitating the eventual victory of better-financed Wahhabi–Salafi forces. Muslims cannot be whitewashed as simply “victims” of Judaeo-Christian Western imperialism. Historically, they have more often than not been allied with the Judaeo-Christian Western imperialists against secular, nationalist, and/or socialist governments. Muslims have often played the role of “useful idiots” against modernising regimes; cf. the role of the Muslim Brotherhood in sponsoring Western proxy conflicts against the USSR, Indonesia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, India, Myanmar, etc.

3 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

On the other side of the secular socio-economic spectrum would be the famines of the Soviet Union throughout the early and middle part of the 20th century.

Many of these “famines” either didn’t take place or were greatly exaggerated. A good source in this regard is Douglas Tottle’s Fraud, Famine and Fascism: the Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard (Toronto, Ontario: Progress Books, 1987). The West has long played a major role in sponsoring the myth of genocidal Soviet famines. This myth was and still is heavily promoted by anticommunist groups, especially Neo-Nazi and fascist elements, e.g., the Western- and Zionist-backed Ukrainian nationalists currently tearing down statues of Lenin and waging war against the Russian-speaking portions of Ukraine.

4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

The IRI is clearly “whistling past the graveyard.” Israel bombed the port of Beirut with nuclear-tipped missiles and the “Resistance” covers up the Israeli role.

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Lebanon in the 50s and 60s was already at the peakpoint of corruption. 

I was in that exact location in Beirut a year ago it’s extremely beautiful. Now I think how sad it is that lebanon never catches a break. My parents generation never did, nor does this generation

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47 minutes ago, Northwest said:

Many of these “famines” either didn’t take place or were greatly exaggerated.

Going by the pictures I saw in a museum in Astana, the famine/genocide of the ethnic Kazakhs by the Russians was real enough. The farms I visited run by ethnic (East) Germans because the indigenous people were dead were also pretty real.

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5 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

I think you've missed out the bit about the blockades imposed by Allied forces.

Bear in mind that famines were a feature of the period (Ireland, Iran and Bengal being big ones), partly due to neoliberal economic ideologies (pursued by Christians). On the other side of the secular socio-economic spectrum would be the famines of the Soviet Union throughout the early and middle part of the 20th century.

The Turkish (Muslim) attempts to use the same tool, was quite pathetic in terms of scale of suffering compared to the above.

 

Seems like you keep trying to find justification for mass deaths of Christians within the ottoman empire.

while during the decline and fall of the empire, the Christian minorities suffered a number of atrocities.[20] Notable cases of persecution include the Constantinople massacre of 1821, the Chios massacre, the Destruction of Psara, the Batak massacre, the Hamidian massacres, the Adana massacre, the ethnic cleansing of Thracian Bulgarians in 1913, the Great Famine of Mount Lebanon and the Armenian Genocide, Greek Genocide and Assyrian Genocide, all of which occurred during the Greek War of Independence or during the last few decades of the empire under the influence of Pan-Turkism.

"In addition to other legal limitations, Christians were not considered equals to Muslims and several prohibitions were placed on them. Testimony against Muslims by Christians and Jews was inadmissible in courts of law wherein a Muslim could be punished; this meant that their testimony could only be considered in commercial cases. They were forbidden to carry weapons or ride atop horses and camels. Their houses could not overlook those of Muslims; and their religious practices were severely circumscribed, e.g., the ringing of church bells was strictly forbidden.[50][52]"

In the eastern provinces, the Armenians were subject to the whims of their Turkish and Kurdish neighbors, who would regularly overtax them, subject them to brigandage and kidnapping, force them to convert to Islam, and otherwise exploit them without interference from central or local authorities.[48]

Then you have simply downplayed the Ottoman blockade of resources into Mt. Lebanon.

This is more than just an external blockade, it's negligence, it's persecution, it's treating others as second class citizens. 

Indeed, the maronite christians appeared to have many things to complain about, and complain they did.

There really is no way to justify all of these activities. Life under the ottoman empire appears to have been a terrible experience for Christians. 

With the above said, my original question remains.  Maybe it was good that Maronites were given independence and a country they could run autonomously, for which they were the majority at the time. And maybe the same could be said for the formation of Armenia, assuming Armenians were given autonomy after their death marches.

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1 hour ago, Northwest said:

Many of these “famines” either didn’t take place or were greatly exaggerated

Famine in Iran & India was real that not only exaggerated but also heavily censored until now 

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The IRI is clearly “whistling past the graveyard.” Israel bombed the port of Beirut with nuclear-tipped missiles and the “Resistance” covers up the Israeli role

They are under magnifier of Israel & MSM so they must talk based on documents not their guess & best response to Israel is crisis management & rebuilding of port by cooperation of Hezb & IRI not relying to conspiracy theories.

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Famine in Iran & India was real that not only exaggerated but also heavily censored until now 

I meant the Soviet famines, not the Iranian and Indian ones. Those British-induced famines clearly occurred and were whitewashed by the West.

I meant to state that the West exaggerated the Soviet famines and concealed the very real ones in Iran and India (to not mention Ireland et al.).

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They are under magnifier of Israel & MSM so they must talk based on documents not their guess & best response to Israel is crisis management & rebuilding of port by cooperation of Hezb & IRI not relying to conspiracy theories.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. A nuclear attack by Israel is a very big deal and shouldn’t be covered up by the “Resistance” or anyone else...

The Israeli jets and missiles were both seen and heard by numerous credible witnesses in Beirut. The nuclear blast is amply confirmed.

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20 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

 

They're basically operating as a mafia that has more weaponized power than the Lebanese government, thereby using their power to manipulate Lebanese policies in their favor.

 

The other point I was trying to make is that to compare Hezb with a mafia is not a good comparison, IMHO. 

If you look at organizations that are mafia style, like the Sicilian Mafia (La Cosa Nostra), The Irish Mob in Boston, even transnational gangs like MS-13 in Central America, etc, you see a few common denominators that all these organizations have in common. First, they make the majority of their money  / income from 'protection rackets', i.e. 'shakedowns' of the local population, forcing them to pay in order for protections. Their second major source of income is activities which are illegal in the country that they control such as drug smuggling / distribution, human trafficking, prostitution, and gambling (in places where gambling is illegal). 

Now I'm not exactly sure how Hezb is financed (I've never seen their books, lol), but I've never seen any evidence that they are involved in protection rackets, drug smuggling, human trafficking, prostitution, or gambling. That would be weird, since they are a religious (Islamic) organization and all these activities are Haram (forbidden in Islam), punishable with severe penalties in the religion. If they were claiming to be a religious organization and yet heavily involved in these activities on a organization wide scale, this would have come out by now and they would have lost much of their support amoung the Lebanese population, especially their core base in South Lebanon, which is a very religious part of Lebanon (their are parts of Lebanon that are more secular / less religious). I am not saying that there are not individuals within the organization that engage in these activities, there probably are, since they are hugely profitable and some people, even religious people have a hard time resisting that, but I haven't seen any evidence that these activities are supported by the organization as a whole or that they derive a large percentage of their income from these, as traditional mafia organization do. 

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8 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

The other point I was trying to make is that to compare Hezb with a mafia is not a good comparison, IMHO. 

If you look at organizations that are mafia style, like the Sicilian Mafia (La Cosa Nostra), The Irish Mob in Boston, even transnational gangs like MS-13 in Central America, etc, you see a few common denominators that all these organizations have in common. First, they make the majority of their money  / income from 'protection rackets', i.e. 'shakedowns' of the local population, forcing them to pay in order for protections. Their second major source of income is activities which are illegal in the country that they control such as drug smuggling / distribution, human trafficking, prostitution, and gambling (in places where gambling is illegal). 

Now I'm not exactly sure how Hezb is financed (I've never seen their books, lol), but I've never seen any evidence that they are involved in protection rackets, drug smuggling, human trafficking, prostitution, or gambling. That would be weird, since they are a religious (Islamic) organization and all these activities are Haram (forbidden in Islam), punishable with severe penalties in the religion. If they were claiming to be a religious organization and yet heavily involved in these activities on a organization wide scale, this would have come out by now and they would have lost much of their support amoung the Lebanese population, especially their core base in South Lebanon, which is a very religious part of Lebanon (their are parts of Lebanon that are more secular / less religious). I am not saying that there are not individuals within the organization that engage in these activities, there probably are, since they are hugely profitable and some people, even religious people have a hard time resisting that, but I haven't seen any evidence that these activities are supported by the organization as a whole or that they derive a large percentage of their income from these, as traditional mafia organization do. 

Comming from someone who's entire familly comes from south lebanon and I have seen areas with a lot of hezb, this comparason with the mafia he made is defently not factual especially since he has never even seen some hezb solders, when I visisted last year, the only thing I would really see the hezb doing is being sent to syria to combat terrorists.

Another thing is they would knock at my cousins house from time to time and ask him if he was intrested to join but he declined because he could not care.

Now I defently don't have involvments with hezb because I am from Canada, but this is comming from an observational lens, the people patroling the streets are defently not hezb, they are the white helmets and the lebanese millitary, the hezb solders actually abide by the lands rule from what I saw.

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Now I'm not exactly sure how Hezb is financed

Mostly from Iran and rich Lebanese Shi’a. 

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2 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

The other point I was trying to make is that to compare Hezb with a mafia is not a good comparison, IMHO. 

If you look at organizations that are mafia style, like the Sicilian Mafia (La Cosa Nostra), The Irish Mob in Boston, even transnational gangs like MS-13 in Central America, etc, you see a few common denominators that all these organizations have in common. First, they make the majority of their money  / income from 'protection rackets', i.e. 'shakedowns' of the local population, forcing them to pay in order for protections. Their second major source of income is activities which are illegal in the country that they control such as drug smuggling / distribution, human trafficking, prostitution, and gambling (in places where gambling is illegal). 

Now I'm not exactly sure how Hezb is financed (I've never seen their books, lol), but I've never seen any evidence that they are involved in protection rackets, drug smuggling, human trafficking, prostitution, or gambling. That would be weird, since they are a religious (Islamic) organization and all these activities are Haram (forbidden in Islam), punishable with severe penalties in the religion. If they were claiming to be a religious organization and yet heavily involved in these activities on a organization wide scale, this would have come out by now and they would have lost much of their support amoung the Lebanese population, especially their core base in South Lebanon, which is a very religious part of Lebanon (their are parts of Lebanon that are more secular / less religious). I am not saying that there are not individuals within the organization that engage in these activities, there probably are, since they are hugely profitable and some people, even religious people have a hard time resisting that, but I haven't seen any evidence that these activities are supported by the organization as a whole or that they derive a large percentage of their income from these, as traditional mafia organization do. 

I wouldn't expect Hezbollah to dabble in prostitution either, my comparison was made with reference to their use of force, assassinations, overrunning and burning down  of political offices, shutting down of media outlets, running private communications, and strong arming the country to manipulate it's politics. They aren't a conventional government body, they're a militia that uses weapons to undermine the government and to manipulate politics. 

And much like the Mafia, arms organizations can garner support from the public through social services and community activities. 

But these should be the practices of a state or federal or local government, They should not be services held externally by a foreign financed, weaponized militia. 

This is a huge problem and it's really no surprise why the country is in so much trouble. But really this is likely what the Europeans wanted when they first drew those sectarian lines.

 

 

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Here's a question for everyone, is there mutual agreement that Lebanon would be better off with a secular government? I would think that Hezbollah would stand in the way of this. As well as Sunni militias that collectively appear to be running the country.

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Sarcasm aside, this post is technically true. The British continually sided with feudal Muslim elites against the mixed peasantry and played a major role in creating Pakistan in order to prevent the emergence of a unified Indian federation. Many Muslims like to ignore this fact, but it is historically salient. People like to pretend that the West discriminates against the Muslim ummah as a whole, but in fact Muslim elites, especially Sunni, have been the West’s preferred neocolonial clients. The Wahhabi–Salafi regimes beside the Persian Gulf have long played a major role in financing pro-Western/pro-Zionist Sunni regimes from Pakistan to Indonesia, Brunei, and Malaysia, along with the Gaza Strip and Sudan. During the Cold War even the IRI sided with the West against the USSR in Afghanistan—thereby facilitating the eventual victory of better-financed Wahhabi–Salafi forces. Muslims cannot be whitewashed as simply “victims” of Judaeo-Christian Western imperialism. Historically, they have more often than not been allied with the Judaeo-Christian Western imperialists against secular, nationalist, and/or socialist governments. Muslims have often played the role of “useful idiots” against modernising regimes; cf. the role of the Muslim Brotherhood in sponsoring Western proxy conflicts against the USSR, Indonesia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, India, Myanmar, etc.

"Useful idiots" in what sense? It's in our own interest to be aligned with the American/Western camp, both during the previous Cold War against the Soviets, and now in this new Cold War with China and Russia. The United States, generally speaking, acts in the interest of the Muslims in terms of foreign policy. They facilitated the Mujahidin victory in Afghanistan against the evil Soviet occupation. As you know, the Soviet atheists were desecrating mosques and copies of the Quran, they raped Afghan women, and intended to make that country one of their satellite states with the project of eventually extinguishing orthodox Islam. Look at the damage Soviet colonization did to Muslim Central Asia. The Turkic people there, who are traditional Hanafi Sunni Muslims, have been secularized and are the least observant of Islam due to generations of Russian rule.

Then the Americans assisted the Bosnians and Albanian Muslims of Kosovo during the 1990s against the genocidal Serbs. The Americans liberated Kuwait from the secular Baathist regime of Saddam. They then liberated Iraq itself in 2003 from the Baathist regime. America and her close allies in Western Europe are the only ones that had the moral courage to condemn the ongoing genocide of Uighur and other Muslim ethnic groups in China. America has also done much to isolate and weaken the bloodthirsty Baathist regime of Assad in Syria. So as a Muslim, particularly a Sunni Muslim, it's obvious our interests are best secured in aligning with the United States. On the other hand, China and Russia consistently harm the Muslims and both their domestic and foreign policies can be summed up as open antagonism toward Islam and Muslims.

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14 hours ago, Northwest said:

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. A nuclear attack by Israel is a very big deal and shouldn’t be covered up by the “Resistance” or anyone else...

The Israeli jets and missiles were both seen and heard by numerous credible witnesses in Beirut. The nuclear blast is amply confirmed.

The "Resistance" is covering up the fact that lots of people in Beirut are starting to lose their hair and bleed from the gums, are they? They've tinkered with all the Geiger counters so they're not recording the radioactive fallout all over Beirut. Meantime Lebanese "Resistance" sleeper agents buried for decades within nuclear regulatory agencies across the world are conspiring to hide the easily traceable increase in global background radiation levels. Before the "attack" they also infiltrated the space agencies of hostile powers to Israel like Russia and China to sabotage their global satellite networks monitoring missile launches and nuclear weapon explosions.

The Lebanese "Resistance" was incapable of realizing it was incompetent to store firecrackers and 80 truckloads of ammonium nitrate for 6 years near their capital city's center, but have the competency to comprehensively cover up a nuclear weapon attack so successfully.

And the reason why multiple members of Lebanon's government who are being swept up in a rising tide of popular anger directly blaming them for the devastation in Beirut have chosen not to divert the blame by displaying the easily obtainable proof that Israel had attacked their capital city with nuclear weapons, but have instead engaged in a massive and complex operation to deceive their people of the true cause of this catastrophe being a foreign nuclear attack and thereby ensure they receive the blame is because....?

The Lebanese Government

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"Useful idiots" in what sense? It's in our own interest to be aligned with the American/Western camp, both during the previous Cold War against the Soviets, and now in this new Cold War with China and Russia.

Firstly, the West has never been interested in restoring “orthodox” Islam, be it Sunni or Shia. It has strictly confined its aims to controlling valuable global resources. To this end it has consistently fostered the growth of deviant sectarianism, including the counter-modernist “revivalist” movements, e.g., Wahhabi–Salafi. The Zionist-run West created the crypto-Zionist,  Wahhabi–Salafi Saudi dynasty as a weapon against the Sunni Hanafi Islam of the Ottoman caliphate. Originally, Wahhabi–Salafi ideology, like all deviant “religious” sects, originated in Freemasonry, namely its Sufi branches (Ibn Tamiyyah, like his heirs, borrowed heavily from Sufi and other occult/mystical concepts, including Jewish Kabbalah, vis-à-vis anthropomorphising trends), and was disseminated by the British imperialists to secure their empire. The West, imitating its imperial predecessors, sought to maintain the Muslims and other colonised peoples in a constant state of violent disunion. Sectarian violence would gradually reduce the indigenous populations, destroy entire civilisations, and facilitate Western control of global resources. To paraphrase the Roman Imperial strategy: Divide et impera (divide and rule).

Today, thanks to Western efforts, orthodox Sunni Islam as such no longer exists, but is heavily infiltrated and controlled by Wahhabi–Salafi ideology, the financial exponent of which are the crypto-Zionist “Sunni” regimes in the Persian Gulf. The West’s creation of the Masonic “Muslim” Brotherhood has also played a major role in this development—the MB being the major driver behind “Islamic” revivalism, including not just “Sunni” movements, but also some “Shia.” Some sources have even argued that the MB influenced the leaders of—and/or the other participants in—the Iranian Revolution, even if only indirectly and circuitously, since the MB envisaged the Platonic form of the “ideal ‘Islamic’ state” and readily borrowed from Western modernism, as one can see in the works of the Freemason and MB member Sayyid Qutb, whose works were reprinted in the IRI following the Revolution. Prior to and during the Cold War the ideology of the MB dovetailed with Western goals, forged a syncretistic symmetry with its Saudi patrons, and gained global influence through the Anglo-Saxon financial network(s). This remains the case today. The MB’s chief aim is to perpetuate underdevelopment and backwardness in the Muslim world.

Allying with the West against the supposed threat of secular nationalism and Marxian socialism has not done the Muslim world any favours. The imperialist West, now neocolonial, has always relied on the deployment of “controlled chaos” to maximise its financial returns. During the Cold War the Muslim world was drifting into the Soviet orbit, which offered the promise of industrialisation. Secular nationalism offered the Muslim world an opportunity to bridge sectarian and other divisions. The West, for obvious reasons, could not tolerate this and marshalled its deviant “Islamic” sects to spread anti-Soviet, pro-Zionist, and sectarian propaganda via its Wahhabi–Salafi clients, especially the Saudi regime. The result: Sunnis and other Muslims, to not mention the world, paying the bill for the Masons, both in blood and treasure. (As for Syria: roughly three-fourths of the Syrian Arab Army consists of Sunni conscripts. Most of these conscripts have ardently supported the pan-Arabist, secular government of Bashar al-Assad, whose anti-Zionism and anti-imperialism is congruent with the aims of Lebanese Hezbollah, even if its ideology differs, even crucially so, from the secularist Baathist vision.)

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The "Resistance" is covering up the fact that lots of people in Beirut are starting to lose their hair and bleed from the gums, are they? They've tinkered with all the Geiger counters so they're not recording the radioactive fallout all over Beirut. Meantime Lebanese "Resistance" sleeper agents buried for decades within nuclear regulatory agencies across the world are conspiring to hide the easily traceable increase in global background radiation levels. Before the "attack" they also infiltrated the space agencies of hostile powers to Israel like Russia and China to sabotage their global satellite networks monitoring missile launches and nuclear weapon explosions.

The West has the financial and military clout to intimidate or buy off just about anyone, including a great many members of the “Resistance.”

Even Lebanese Hezbollah, like Iran, is far from immune to the guiles of the West. Hence the “Resistance” is propping up Western propaganda.

They are propping up Western propaganda by refusing to contest the “official” narrative. They are covering up Israel’s blatant nuclear attack(s).

 

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Ayatollah Isa Qassim calls for solidarity to help Lebanon, its people

 Ayatollah Sheikh Isa Qassim, the highest religious authority in Bahrain, called for solidarity with Lebanon and its people after the massive explosion in Beirut.

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"If not for cosmic interconnectedness, the universe would have collapsed, and if not for interconnectedness in any human society, there would not have been a society. If complete disconnection replaced the interconnectedness of human societies, life would have been broken."

"The capabilities of every strong society is weakened during adversities, and if people abandoned each other in the destructive adversities, a society would fall every day, and people would be forgotten every day."

"The largest and most powerful country in the world may need help from others to save it from the effects of a terrible destructive horror, which destroys many of its capabilities and makes it forget its powers."

"The massive and violent horror which our Lebanese brothers experienced while facing the devastating destructive explosion, is a serious test of the remaining religious and human conscience in this world, and a reminder of the values and dignity of mankind."

"If such a great and dangerous accident did not prompt the human society to cooperate in mitigating all the harmful effects of the accident and to show practical sympathy and solidarity in order to help Lebanon and its people heal, this would mean that the human being's return to their humanity has become very difficult and very distant. This would also mean that the dissolution of the human society has reached a frightening extent, and the evidence of which is numerous in the absence of an ethical state, without which life would not continue."

https://en.abna24.com/news//ayatollah-isa-qassim-calls-for-solidarity-to-help-lebanon-its-people_1061728.html

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20 hours ago, Northwest said:

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. A nuclear attack by Israel is a very big deal and shouldn’t be covered up by the “Resistance” or anyone else...

The Israeli jets and missiles were both seen and heard by numerous credible witnesses in Beirut. The nuclear blast is amply confirmed.

hi anyway still we don't  have solid evidence  about it & probably they won't do a proper investigation to hide rule of Israel in this tragedy so we must rely on rebuilding port instead of engaging in dirty propaganda  war of Israel that wants to destabilize  Lebanon & destroys  Hezbullah or at least disarms it & reduces  it's  power & popularity that I think in coming days Israel & it's allies cause a food shortage in Lebanon & in other hand cause a protest or unrest in Iran & Iraq by accusing Hashd Shabi (PMU) & IRGC  to stealing food resources of Iraq & Iran for Hezbollah .

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8 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

Then the Americans assisted the Bosnians and Albanian Muslims of Kosovo during the 1990s against the genocidal Serbs.

Salam It was IRI  that assisted Bosnians and Albanian Muslims of Kosovo but didn't  try to enforce it's ideology on them but now KSA by help of America  is turning them to radical wahabists  & America support from Uighurs is just a part of it's economical  war with China but it doesn't  really care about Uighur Muslims as they just saved oil fields of Kuwait & Iraq in their favor & Assad is not a saint but your argument  based on brainwashing  of sunnis by  ISIS & propaganda  of wahabists  KSA & America against him between sunni muslims.

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20 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

income from 'protection rackets', i.e. 'shakedowns' of the local population, forcing them to pay in order for protections. Their second major source of income is activities which are illegal in the country that they control such as drug smuggling / distribution, human trafficking, prostitution, and gambling (in places where gambling is illegal). 

Salam it's a common propaganda against  Hezbullah in KSA-Israel-anti Iran backed media that they are accusing Hezb to all of these illegal actions also they use this propaganda against IRGC & PMU (Hashd Shabi) that rightly after explosion  of Beirut they accused IRGC that cause of explosion  was exploding of smuggled  arms by IRGC  for Hezb  in storages of port of Beirut.

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they won't do a proper investigation to hide rule of Israel in this tragedy so we must rely on rebuilding port instead of engaging in dirty propaganda war of Israel that wants to destabilize Lebanon & destroys Hezbullah or at least disarms it & reduces it's  power & popularity

Israel, like its Western patrons, is always looking out for its own self-interest: that is, endlessly seeking concessions and coercing its foes via any and all means, including fabricated incidents and false flags. The West and Israel will always blame their foes, regardless of what objectivity and reality say, so calibrating one’s responses based on what the West/Israel (might) say or do is both a sign of weakness and an exercise in futility. (This holds true not just for the West and Israel, but also for all empires throughout history. History says that the “strong do what they will/can, and the weak suffer what they must,” to paraphrase Thucydides.) It’s dangerous for the “Resistance”—or anyone, for that matter—to downplay these large-scale false flags and engage in endless tough talk without actually having the will or the means to back it up. So far the “Resistance” hasn’t done anything to respond to the innumerable assassinations of high-ranking commanders, including General Soleimani of the IRGC, and keeps talking about evicting the Americans from West Asia without actually having the will to do so. Sabotage occurs on a daily basis in Iran and the government is totally infiltrated by Western agents, as the recent explosions and the downing of the Ukrainian airliner have amply illustrated, yet the Supreme Leader and IRGC use the Iranian Constitution as an excuse to stay on the sidelines, letting the “reformists” and their allies undermine the government and society on every conceivable level. Now Israel is nuking the port of Beirut and the “Resistance” colludes with the corrupt Lebanese government to cover up the truth, blaming the explosion on ammonium nitrate, saying it was an “accident,” suppressing public evidence of Israeli involvement and orchestration, denying the reality of Israeli mini-nukes, etc. I’m sorry, but the “Resistance” looks not just weak, but also ridiculous. Merely pointing out the facts doesn’t make one a Western agent.

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1 hour ago, Northwest said:

I’m sorry, but the “Resistance” looks not just weak, but also ridiculous.

Hi this is just what looks like from outside but "Resistance" has ongoing & long agenda that current silence doesn't mean that it doesn't do anythingbut in other hand Israel & it's allies are trying push Resistance to do a quick & uncalculated response to current situation because they will be more vulnerable to fail of their  case of  long term response of Resistance.

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4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

 America support from Uighurs is just a part of it's economical  war with China but it doesn't  really care about Uighur Muslims.

Another reason America opposes the uighur Muslim detention is that it reflects detention camps of Nazi Germany, one of America's famed enemies. And nothing garners support like kicking Nazi butt (and Russians too). It is true that Americans don't generally care about uighurs, but they do care about fighting nazis.

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3 Weeks ago, 22July2020 https://apnews.com/3a4d797c9946e032bbee502c737ee547  "Crisis hits Lebanon's hospitals, among best in Middle East"

 

2 hours ago 12August2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53758266  "Beirut Blast: WHO warns dozens of health facilities 'non-functional' "

 

FRANCE24:  The Covid-19 infection rate in Lebanon is running about 300 per day plus 7 deaths.

 

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On 8/11/2020 at 9:52 PM, Northwest said:

Firstly, the West has never been interested in restoring “orthodox” Islam, be it Sunni or Shia. It has strictly confined its aims to controlling valuable global resources. To this end it has consistently fostered the growth of deviant sectarianism, including the counter-modernist “revivalist” movements, e.g., Wahhabi–Salafi. The Zionist-run West created the crypto-Zionist,  Wahhabi–Salafi Saudi dynasty as a weapon against the Sunni Hanafi Islam of the Ottoman caliphate. Originally, Wahhabi–Salafi ideology, like all deviant “religious” sects, originated in Freemasonry, namely its Sufi branches (Ibn Tamiyyah, like his heirs, borrowed heavily from Sufi and other occult/mystical concepts, including Jewish Kabbalah, vis-à-vis anthropomorphising trends), and was disseminated by the British imperialists to secure their empire. The West, imitating its imperial predecessors, sought to maintain the Muslims and other colonised peoples in a constant state of violent disunion. Sectarian violence would gradually reduce the indigenous populations, destroy entire civilisations, and facilitate Western control of global resources. To paraphrase the Roman Imperial strategy: Divide et impera (divide and rule).

Today, thanks to Western efforts, orthodox Sunni Islam as such no longer exists, but is heavily infiltrated and controlled by Wahhabi–Salafi ideology, the financial exponent of which are the crypto-Zionist “Sunni” regimes in the Persian Gulf. The West’s creation of the Masonic “Muslim” Brotherhood has also played a major role in this development—the MB being the major driver behind “Islamic” revivalism, including not just “Sunni” movements, but also some “Shia.” Some sources have even argued that the MB influenced the leaders of—and/or the other participants in—the Iranian Revolution, even if only indirectly and circuitously, since the MB envisaged the Platonic form of the “ideal ‘Islamic’ state” and readily borrowed from Western modernism, as one can see in the works of the Freemason and MB member Sayyid Qutb, whose works were reprinted in the IRI following the Revolution. Prior to and during the Cold War the ideology of the MB dovetailed with Western goals, forged a syncretistic symmetry with its Saudi patrons, and gained global influence through the Anglo-Saxon financial network(s). This remains the case today. The MB’s chief aim is to perpetuate underdevelopment and backwardness in the Muslim world.

Allying with the West against the supposed threat of secular nationalism and Marxian socialism has not done the Muslim world any favours. The imperialist West, now neocolonial, has always relied on the deployment of “controlled chaos” to maximise its financial returns. During the Cold War the Muslim world was drifting into the Soviet orbit, which offered the promise of industrialisation. Secular nationalism offered the Muslim world an opportunity to bridge sectarian and other divisions. The West, for obvious reasons, could not tolerate this and marshalled its deviant “Islamic” sects to spread anti-Soviet, pro-Zionist, and sectarian propaganda via its Wahhabi–Salafi clients, especially the Saudi regime. The result: Sunnis and other Muslims, to not mention the world, paying the bill for the Masons, both in blood and treasure. (As for Syria: roughly three-fourths of the Syrian Arab Army consists of Sunni conscripts. Most of these conscripts have ardently supported the pan-Arabist, secular government of Bashar al-Assad, whose anti-Zionism and anti-imperialism is congruent with the aims of Lebanese Hezbollah, even if its ideology differs, even crucially so, from the secularist Baathist vision.)

The West has the financial and military clout to intimidate or buy off just about anyone, including a great many members of the “Resistance.”

Even Lebanese Hezbollah, like Iran, is far from immune to the guiles of the West. Hence the “Resistance” is propping up Western propaganda.

They are propping up Western propaganda by refusing to contest the “official” narrative. They are covering up Israel’s blatant nuclear attack(s).

 

1. How is it the West's responsibility to restore orthodox Islam, when the West isn't Muslim in the first place? That responsibility is on Muslims themselves. So I don't understand why you made that point.

Also, your profile says you are an agnostic, but you appear to be speaking from a Muslim perspective, thereby confusing me.

2. Your point that the West seeks to profit itself by giving itself access to global resources is not disputed. That is pretty much what every civilization or superpower does, that is their primary motivation. I am not saying that the West is on our side because they genuinely care about us, but because, coincidentally, our interests align and we are closer to each other. If we divide the world into West (America, Europe) and East (China, Russia), then the Muslim world naturally inclines to the West for a variety of reasons. We can go all the way back to the time of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم when he and his Sahabah رضى الله عنهم favored the Byzantine Roman empire over the Sasanid Persian empire, such that they became joyful when the Byzantines defeated the Sasanids in battle. America and Europe is Judeo-Christian, while China is atheist and communist, it's only natural we align with the West against the East.

3. This idea that the Western powers foster sectarianism and division of the Muslims is a conspiracy theory that doesn't have solid facts to justify it. You say the West created the Saudi dynasty to undermine the Ottomans, but that is historically false. As a matter of fact, during World War 1, the British facilitated the Hashemites of the Hijaz in their insurrection against the Ottomans. The Hashemite Arab rebellion was not Wahhabi, in fact, they fought with the Wahhabis who defeated them.

4. That Sufism, Salafism and Wahhabism originate in Freemasonry is another conspiracy theory that is plainly false. Sufism predates the Freemason movement. Yes its true that certain modernists like Muhammad Abduh, had a connection with Freemasonry. But I am not a modernist nor do I subscribe to that trend or approach to Islam. Sufism is in many ways the polar opposite of Islamic modernism.

5. Sectarianism was alive and well much before the British arrived on the scene. Sectarianism and sectarian riots have been happening through Muslim history. Medieval Nishapur is one of the worst examples of sectarian riots breaking out between various sects and sub-sects. The British or any other European colonial power never needed any help in making Muslim fight each other, we do that fine on ourselves. In fact, when America was occupying Iraq, they tried their level best to control the sectarian violence, but it spiraled out of control because Iraqis themselves were so bloodthirsty and intent on killing their own neighbors. It was the Iraqi militias that ethnically cleansed Baghdad of members of the other sect, the Americans had nothing to do with it.

6. Since you are an agnostic, what standard do you use to determine and judge which Muslim sects are orthodox and which ones are heterodox?

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18 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

Another reason America opposes the uighur Muslim detention is that it reflects detention camps of Nazi Germany, one of America's famed enemies. And nothing garners support like kicking Nazi butt (and Russians too). It is true that Americans don't generally care about uighurs, but they do care about fighting nazis.

hi after WW II America turned to a Nazi state but in public claims  that it fights with Nazism & Communism.

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1 hour ago, Cherub786 said:

The Hashemite Arab rebellion was not Wahhabi, in fact, they fought with the Wahhabis who defeated them.

This is not a clear sentence. Can you re-write it?

As an aside, this is the first time @Ashvazdanghe and l have read the same post and have opposite reactions. Bro, what part(s) do you disagree with?

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Just now, hasanhh said:

This is not a clear sentence. Can you re-write it?

As an aside, this is the first time @Ashvazdanghe and l have read the same post and have opposite reactions. Bro, what part(s) do you disagree with?

Pardon me, what I meant to say is that the Hashemites of the Hijaz during the First World War, who were aided by the British, were not Wahhabis. The Wahhabi-Saudis actually attacked the Hashemites of the Hijaz and drove them out of the Hijaz in 1925.

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Just now, hasanhh said:

lnto Amman and Baghdad --as we had in college.

Right. Incidentally, the Iraqis were extremely short sighted and committed a huge blunder by overthrowing the Hashemite monarchy. Ever since they did that, it has been one disaster after another for Iraq. In the Arab world, monarchies are, generally speaking, more stable and preferable to the so-called "republics" which are not republics at all but totalitarian, authoritarian dictatorships.

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19 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

Another reason America opposes the uighur Muslim detention is that it reflects detention camps of Nazi Germany, one of America's famed enemies. And nothing garners support like kicking Nazi butt (and Russians too). It is true that Americans don't generally care about uighurs, but they do care about fighting nazis.

What about that one big camp that america dont care at all about? You know that one called Gaza?

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8 minutes ago, Cherub786 said:

the Iraqis were extremely short sighted and committed a huge blunder by overthrowing the Hashemite monarchy.

ln college the US was "behind it", the '58 regicide.

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3 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

ln college the US was "behind it", the '58 regicide.

The US was behind the Qasim coup? I was not aware of this. What is the proof for this statement if I may ask? It seems counter-intuitive to say the least

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1 minute ago, Cherub786 said:

The US was behind the Qasim coup? I was not aware of this. What is the proof for this statement if I may ask? It seems counter-intuitive to say the least

The US was involved in some way, but l don't remember how/where and am not interested in Iooking it up.

Besides, a decade later, Saddam "was our guy".

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Just now, hasanhh said:

The US was involved in some way, but l don't remember how/where and am not interested in Iooking it up.

Besides, a decade later, Saddam "was our guy".

As far as I know, the US was not involved in the 1958 coup. Pardon me if I don't take your word for it.

We have to give credit to the United States for removing Saddam in 2003.

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7 hours ago, Cherub786 said:

As far as I know, the US was not involved in the 1958 coup. Pardon me if I don't take your word for it.

We have to give credit to the United States for removing Saddam in 2003.

I am so thankfull that the us did what it did to iraq, we have to give them credit for making iraq a worse place even when they were warned, I am so thankfull for the sanctions the US put on my country Lebanon and then after the explosion pretended to care about us "we will send you humanitarian aid, look at us we care!!!" I am very gratefull. :clap::D:party:

America #1  

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Sayyed Nasrallah: Balance of deterrence protects Lebanon, retaliation against ‘Israel’ inevitable

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AhlulBayt News Agency (ABNA): Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah stressed on Friday that the resistance in July war was able to set rules of engagement that protected Lebanon, pointing that the accomplishment of 2000 was ‘liberation’ and that of 2006 was ‘protection’, by establishing a balance of deterrence.
In his speech on the 14th anniversary of the divine victory of July 2006, Sayyed Nasrallah mentioned that what happened in July 2006 was a real war. “It started as a military operation, but was made into a real war by the Israelis who called it the Second Lebanon War. It was a war the Israeli enemy imposed upon Lebanon per an American decision.”....


Lebanon, Sayyed Nasrallah said, is strong due to the Resistance, so they want it’s head. “We’ve been hearing this since 2000, that if Hezbollah would disarm, USA, EU would take us off the Foreign Terrorist Organizations list, support us financially and politically, and make us their best friends.”

“So, now that war has failed to defeat Hezbollah, they are resorting to every other method, and all we are witnessing now in Lebanon is a result of that. The Resistance, for Lebanon and its people, is a condition for life, it’s not a side matter, it’s existential,” His eminence pointed.

Our decision to avenge the killing of Hezbollah fighter Ali Kamel Mohsen is still valid, Sayyed Nasrallah said. “They knew Hezbollah would respond, we didn’t need to say anything. Hezbollah will respond, but the response will be studied and measured, only serious, calculated action would be taken, not media stunts.”

“If investigations proved the explosion was out of negligence, then those responsible must be held accountable and punished, Sayyed Nasrallah said.
“If ‘Israel’ was responsible for the explosion, then we’ll never know the truth had the FBI participated in the investigations,” he added, pointing out that if the investigation proves that ‘Israel’ was responsible, then it’s not just Hezbollah that must respond. “All of Lebanon, its institutions, its people, must respond, because this is an aggression against Lebanon.”

Hezbollah, Sayyed Nasrallah said, which cannot ignore the killing of one of its fighters, will not remain silent against ‘Israel’ if it committed this crime, and it will pay a similar price.

“The most dangerous matter is that there’s a project underway to bring down the Lebanese State. The scheme’s aim was to rile up political forces’ pressure against President [Michel] Aoun to force him to resign. The second goal targeted the parliament, through resignations, not constitutionally, or legally, but practically. This also failed,” the Hezbollah leader said.

“They are trying to take the country to civil war. They were trying to do that when former PM Saad Hariri was kidnapped,” he added.............

Regarding the formation of a new government, Sayyed Nasrallah urged the Lebanese not to give ear to those attempting to exploit the disaster to accomplish their political goals.

“We call for a strong government that has political backing from parliamentary factions, so it can withstand pressure,” His eminence said, adding that he opposes a neutral government, calling it a “waste of time.”
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Instead, Sayyed Nasrallah called for the next PM to form a national unity government, saying “we do not believe in the existence of neutrals in Lebanon.” “If he can’t, then he should form a government with the broadest political, popular backing, and formed of politicians and technocrats.” A neutral government is a fake way to bypass the popular will, he said.

“There are those who will doubtlessly try to exploit the STL decision, so I ask Hezbollah’s supporters to be patient. Through patience, holding onto resistance and its capabilities we will overcome these difficult times.”...............
 

https://en.abna24.com/news//sayyed-nasrallah-balance-of-deterrence-protects-lebanon-retaliation-against-‘israel’-inevitable_1062662.html

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