Why is shirk an unforgivable sin if it is done unintentionally?

[313_Waiter]

When someone commits murder, he knows it is wrong but yet kills someone.

So why is shirk unforgivable (considering the person has been exposed to a correct form of Islam) if one does it unintentionally (he has reached the conclusion that Hinduism trumps Islam / or he is simply following his parents as most of humanity are)?

[THREE1THREE]

Cos God gave you a brain and read the OT. No excuses,

[Abu_Zahra]

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is the best of judges and knows best how He will judge each one of us. Certainly if we are aware of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and still committing shirk then without a doubt this is a great sin. As for those who weren't aware, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows best how He tried them and how He will judge them. 

[313_Waiter]

1 hour ago, Mahdavist said:

Certainly if we are aware of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and still committing shirk then without a doubt this is a great sin.

Thanks for your response brother. So can we only say for sure that those who know the truth of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and still reject Him / associate partners to Him will go to hellfire (because they rejected Him out of stubborness and covered the truth i.e. committed kufr)? And that there is ikhtilaf on whether the other groupings of people will go to hell / whether punishment will be removed? 

The reason I ask is because I have been asked a similar question by a non-Muslim friend before.

Edited July 31, 2020 by Ejaz

[Kousar786]

Shirk is forgivable although it is agreat sin but it surely is forgivable even if done intentionally if one repents before death then surely he shall be forgiven

[Kousar786]

41 minutes ago, Ejaz said:

Thanks for your response brother. So can we only say for sure that those who know the truth of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and still reject Him / associate partners to Him will go to hellfire (because they rejected Him out of stubborness and covered the truth i.e. committed kufr)? And that there is ikhtilaf on whether the other groupings of people will go to hell / whether punishment will be removed? 

The reason I ask is because I have been asked a similar question by a non-Muslim friend before.

It is proved from quran that shirk is forgivable

[THREE1THREE]

40 minutes ago, Kousar786 said:

It is proved from quran that shirk is forgivable

Nope, it’s not when once you die a mushrik. 

[Kousar786]

3 hours ago, THREE1THREE said:

Nope, it’s not when once you die a mushrik. 

I know that bro

[Abu_Zahra]

14 hours ago, Ejaz said:

Thanks for your response brother. So can we only say for sure that those who know the truth of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and still reject Him / associate partners to Him will go to hellfire (because they rejected Him out of stubborness and covered the truth i.e. committed kufr)? And that there is ikhtilaf on whether the other groupings of people will go to hell / whether punishment will be removed? 

The reason I ask is because I have been asked a similar question by a non-Muslim friend before.

No, I wouldn't say that we are sure or that there is ikhtilaf. We have received certain guidelines from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) as well as warnings. But ultimately He is the judge, therefore from our side we can only follow the guidelines, adhere to the warnings and await His final judgement. 

Who He decides to grant His mercy to, out of His infinite wisdom, is known to Him alone. 

[THREE1THREE]

11 hours ago, Kousar786 said:

I know that bro

Sorry What I mean(Typo) it’s “when you die a mushrik” Your not forgiven. The Quran is clear on that.

[Hassan01]

On 8/1/2020 at 12:51 AM, THREE1THREE said:

Sorry What I mean(Typo) it’s “when you die a mushrik” Your not forgiven. The Quran is clear on that.

What about the verse that says God forgives all sins except shirk? Is it before death or after? And does He forgives even done by a muslim?

[layman]

4 hours ago, Hassan01 said:

What about the verse that says God forgives all sins except shirk? Is it before death or after? And does He forgives even done by a muslim?

This is my understanding. 

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) forgives if someone repents.  A person who commit a shirk with knowledge and awareness has closed the door of repentance for himself.  

How would Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) want to forgive someone if the person don't seek forgiveness?

Never get close to shirk. It locks the door for repentance.

Wallahualam 

 

[Hassan01]

2 minutes ago, layman said:

This is my understanding. 

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) forgives if someone repents.  A person who commit a shirk with knowledge and awareness has closed the door of repentance for himself.  

How would Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) want to forgive someone if the person don't seek forgiveness?

Never get close to shirk. It locks the door for repentance.

Wallahualam 

 

Thank you for your answer brother, but I’m suffering because of my mental issues and fear that I’ve committed something unintentionally. I have wasawas since last year and can’t take them off. While doing remembering Allah I’m scared that I’ve associated the dhikr with the images without knowing. I have been scared and anxious about the future

[layman]

1 hour ago, Hassan01 said:

Thank you for your answer brother, but I’m suffering because of my mental issues and fear that I’ve committed something unintentionally. I have wasawas since last year and can’t take them off. While doing remembering Allah I’m scared that I’ve associated the dhikr with the images without knowing. I have been scared and anxious about the future

Just trust Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)  always extend His Mercy to humans.  Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will always accept us, even we are at the lowest of worldly hell, or we always in the state of waswasa, as long as we want and always want to repent.  We make repentant even though we do not sins.  Because we know our status and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) also know we as humans will make mistakes and sins.

Only Iblis refuses to repent.  That is the greatest difference between humans and syaitans.  We have the greatest weapon against syaitan, and that weapon is repentant.  It is a very sharp sword that slices syaitans that live in our heart and souls into pieces.

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) loves those who repent because we kill syaitans in ourself and glorify Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  The was-wassa will slowly erase from the mind, InsyaAllah.

Wallahualam 

Layman

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 7/31/2020 at 3:02 PM, 313_Waiter said:

When someone commits murder, he knows it is wrong but yet kills someone.

So why is shirk unforgivable (considering the person has been exposed to a correct form of Islam) if one does it unintentionally (he has reached the conclusion that Hinduism trumps Islam / or he is simply following his parents as most of humanity are)?

I have to repeat it again and again that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said:"Those to whom guidance did not reach, they will held accountable on the basis of humanity".

[علوي]

5 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

"Those to whom guidance did not reach, they will held accountable on the basis of humanity".

Masha'allah; you think you can quote the source please brother? 

[Lion of Shia]

Shirk is Polytheism right? not chanting ya hussain or doing tasswaul right?

[Ashvazdanghe]

5 hours ago, Lion of Shia said:

Shirk is Polytheism right? not chanting ya hussain or doing tasswaul right?

Salamyeah theyb are totally  different  things.

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235075332-intercession-directly-infallible-imams/#comment-3378025

[Borntowitnesstruth]

10 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

Masha'allah; you think you can quote the source please brother? 

I don't carry remember the name of book bro but I read it myself.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Borntowitnesstruth

[layman]

12 hours ago, Lion of Shia said:

Shirk is Polytheism right? not chanting ya hussain or doing tasswaul right?

Ya Ali or Ya Hussain is shortest way to express "i believe in wilayat of Ali / Hussain".  It is not a polytheism / shirk.

Same thing when we say Ya Allah.  It is a shortest way to express "we believe He is the Rabb, ...all 99 Names  and we submit to Him  we believe in Him, we trust Him....everyting!".

Wallahualam 

[wmehar2]

On 7/31/2020 at 6:02 AM, 313_Waiter said:

When someone commits murder, he knows it is wrong but yet kills someone.

So why is shirk unforgivable (considering the person has been exposed to a correct form of Islam) if one does it unintentionally (he has reached the conclusion that Hinduism trumps Islam / or he is simply following his parents as most of humanity are)?

it was forgivable to those who abandoned the belief.  and its not a fault among those who didn't receive the message (or received a distorted message)

 

مَّنِ اهْتَدٰى فَإِنَّمَا يَهْتَدِى لِنَفْسِهِۦ  ۖ وَمَنْ ضَلَّ فَإِنَّمَا يَضِلُّ عَلَيْهَا  ۚ وَلَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرٰى  ۗ وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتّٰى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولً

"Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger

(QS. Al-Israa 17: Verse 15

 

being around a Muslim isn't necessarily exposure to the message.

and the burden of knowing the "correct" form of Islam is unbelievably burdening.

most of us grew up indoctrinated to some form of Islam. rather than approaching it with a clean mind.

our heads are filled with fighting inclination to question Faith or consider open mindedness to other beliefs of islam.

I cannot say with certainty anyone follows a correct form of Islam that is obvious since the only things standing between sects are "he said she said" hadeeth. 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by wmehar2