I’m planning to emigrate

[Diaz]

Hey guys, eid Mubarak, I hope you are all good. I’ve been thinking about immigrating since 2016. My country is already corrupted, there is no way it will be over and there is no future for you if you don’t have wasta. I don’t want to live in GCC, there is no stable job and no proper education. For job if you want to get a high salary you should get a wasta as well. I’m so tired thinking about my future even tho I still didn’t complete high school. It’s been a week since I’m checking which country should I immigrate to, it will take a long time. Can you guys help me a little bit, I’m planning to immigrate either to Canada, Australia or New Zealand but I’m worried about practicing my religion. Did anyone in here immigrate to an non Muslim country?

Edited July 30, 2020 by Diaz

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Did anyone immigrate to an non Muslim country?

About half of Pakistan and India.

[hasanhh]

33 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Hey guys, eid Mubarak, I hope you are all good. I’ve been thinking about immigrating since 2016. My country is already corrupted, there is no way it will be over and there is no future for you if you don’t have wasta. I don’t want to live in GCC, there is no stable job and no proper education. For job if you want to get a high salary you should get a wasta as well. I’m so tired thinking about my future even tho I still didn’t complete high school. It’s been a week since I’m checking which country should I immigrate to, it will take a long time. Can you guys help me a little bit, I’m planning to immigrate either to Canada, Australia or New Zealand but I’m worried about practicing my religion. Did anyone immigrate to an non Muslim country?

Eid Mubarak for you, too.

lf you immigrate, unless you have something waiting for you, forget the high paying job.

Try Canada. Some here on S.C can give you good advice.

The US is still closed right now l believe.

[Diaz]

31 minutes ago, starlight said:

About half of Pakistan and India.

I meant in here xD 

10 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Eid Mubarak for you, too.

lf you immigrate, unless you have something waiting for you, forget the high paying job.

Try Canada. Some here on S.C can give you good advice.

The US is still closed right now l believe.

Thanks brother, I was planning to immigrate to Dearborn because my grandma’s siblings are living there, but I’m still not sure.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Diaz said:

I meant in here xD 

Yes, other than three of us, all Pakistanis and most of the Arabs and Iranians on SC are living in the west MashaAllah!  and many have emigrated from their home countries.

Edited July 30, 2020 by starlight

[AStruggler]

2 hours ago, Diaz said:

Hey guys, eid Mubarak, I hope you are all good. I’ve been thinking about immigrating since 2016. My country is already corrupted, there is no way it will be over and there is no future for you if you don’t have wasta. I don’t want to live in GCC, there is no stable job and no proper education. For job if you want to get a high salary you should get a wasta as well. I’m so tired thinking about my future even tho I still didn’t complete high school. It’s been a week since I’m checking which country should I immigrate to, it will take a long time. Can you guys help me a little bit, I’m planning to immigrate either to Canada, Australia or New Zealand but I’m worried about practicing my religion. Did anyone in here immigrate to an non Muslim country?

What do mean by "wasta" and what's "GCC"?

[Ali_Hussain]

They are a complete bunch of deviants, but apparently Canada has good opportunities 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Ali_Hussain

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, AStruggler said:

What do mean by "wasta" and what's "GCC"?

Wasta means Nepotism, GCC is gulf. 

 

56 minutes ago, Ali_Hussain said:

They are a complete bunch of deviants, but apparently Canada has good opportunities 

We can’t do anything about it, true I think I will choose Canada. 

[Berber-Shia]

Why not Europe? Here in countries like Belgium, France, Netherlands and Germany there is a huge Muslim diaspora from lots of different countries. And it's also not far from gcc if you ever want to visit family.(Compared to Canada and Australia)

Edited July 30, 2020 by modaoudi

[Diaz]

2 minutes ago, modaoudi said:

Why not Europe? Here in countries like Belgium, France, Netherlands and Germany there is a huge Muslim diaspora from lots of different countries. And it's also not far from gcc if you ever want to visit family.(Compared to Canada and Australia)

True, but each country in Europe has a specific language, that means I should study that country’s language. 

[Berber-Shia]

1 minute ago, Diaz said:

True, but each country in Europe has a specific language, that means I should study that country’s language.

That's also an advantage! You get to learn a new language

[Diaz]

Just now, modaoudi said:

That's also an advantage! You get to learn a new language

True but it will take a long time. Plus I should be 100% sure that I’m going to immigrate to that specific country. Which country do you recommend?

[Berber-Shia]

5 minutes ago, Diaz said:

True but it will take a long time. Plus I should be 100% sure that I’m going to immigrate to that specific country. Which country do you recommend?

I would say Netherlands or Germany. Belgium (where I live) is also fine but employment and rules depend on the region really and not federally, so you would have to carefully plan. And France is fine I guess but the cost of living these last years are not ideal (-->the yellow vests). There are also other countries like Denmark and the rest of the Scandinavian countries.

Edited July 30, 2020 by modaoudi

[Diaz]

1 minute ago, modaoudi said:

I would say Netherlands or Germany. Belgium (where I live) is also fine but employment and rules depend on the region really and not federally, so you would have to carefully plan. And France is fine I guess but the cost of living these last years are not ideal (-->the yellow vests)

I will check them up, thanks. 

[Guest wawa]

59 minutes ago, modaoudi said:

I would say Netherlands or Germany. Belgium (where I live) is also fine but employment and rules depend on the region really and not federally, so you would have to carefully plan. And France is fine I guess but the cost of living these last years are not ideal (-->the yellow vests). There are also other countries like Denmark and the rest of the Scandinavian countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are pretty racist and islamophobic tho and also don’t have a big shia community. 

[Zaydism]

I hope that you can continuously update us on your journey brother, we will Insha'Allah support and pray for you.

[AmirioTheMuzzy]

4 hours ago, Diaz said:

True, but each country in Europe has a specific language, that means I should study that country’s language. 

7 hours ago, Diaz said:

but I’m worried about practicing my religion

If you want English-speaking, and a substantial Shia community... Tanzania (in East Africa). The population is predominantly Christian, then Sunni, then Shia Ja'fari and Isma'ili (Khoja community), then traditional Bantu religions.

Obviously it has low HDI, and is not developed like the Western countries mentioned so far, but you might be able to go there and do humanitarian work or medical help... which could fund or mitigate the travel/immigration costs, or it could even branch off as a future career path. Since there are Shia communities there, it will also likely be easier to find a wife. During your time there, you will also likely learn the Swahili language, which is useful to have, as it is the Franca lingua across East Africa in addition to English.

This advice I give is all conjecture. I have no clue what I'm talking about. Just wanted to throw something different out there. Maybe it's something to look into.

Edit: though the corruption is probably worse than in the Gulf.

Edited July 31, 2020 by AmirioTheMuzzy

[hasanhh]

7 hours ago, Diaz said:

I meant in here xD 

Thanks brother, I was planning to immigrate to Dearborn because my grandma’s siblings are living there, but I’m still not sure.

l have been there a few times. lt's 0kay. Large community.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

4 hours ago, Diaz said:

True, but each country in Europe has a specific language, that means I should study that country’s language. 

Same goes for Canada, but don't let that discourage you.

[Diaz]

16 minutes ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

If you want English-speaking, and a substantial Shia community... Tanzania (in East Africa). The population is predominantly Christian, then Sunni, then Shia Ja'fari and Isma'ili (Khoja community), then traditional Bantu religions.

Obviously it has low HDI, and is not developed like the Western countries mentioned so far, but you might be able to go there and do humanitarian work or medical help... which could fund or mitigate the travel/immigration costs, or it could even branch off as a future career path. Since there are Shia communities there, it will also likely be easier to find a wife. During your time there, you will also likely learn the Swahili language, which is useful to have, as it is the Franca lingua across East Africa in addition to English.

This advice I give is all conjecture. I have no clue what I'm talking about. Just wanted to throw something different out there. Maybe it's something to look into.

Edit: though the corruption is probably worse than in the Gulf.

Thanks bro, but I will pass. Tanzania is one of the poorest country in the world (at top 20). Plus my country is better than Tanzania. 
 

2 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Same goes for Canada, but don't let that discourage you.

Sorry? Canada speaks English and French but majority of them speak English. Am I right?

[AStruggler]

18 minutes ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

If you want English-speaking, and a substantial Shia community... Tanzania (in East Africa). The population is predominantly Christian, then Sunni, then Shia Ja'fari and Isma'ili (Khoja community), then traditional Bantu religions.

Obviously it has low HDI, and is not developed like the Western countries mentioned so far, but you might be able to go there and do humanitarian work or medical help... which could fund or mitigate the travel/immigration costs, or it could even branch off as a future career path. Since there are Shia communities there, it will also likely be easier to find a wife. During your time there, you will also likely learn the Swahili language, which is useful to have, as it is the Franca lingua across East Africa in addition to English.

This advice I give is all conjecture. I have no clue what I'm talking about. Just wanted to throw something different out there. Maybe it's something to look into.

Edit: though the corruption is probably worse than in the Gulf.

Bro as a fellow Canadian, what're your thoughts on living in Canada?

[AStruggler]

54 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Sorry? Canada speaks English and French but majority of them speak English. Am I right?

You're right. 

@Diaz I've read on this site that Gulf Shi'i are very orthodox so mashaAllah. If you plan to migrate to the West, just make sure you put in the blood, sweat, and tears needed to ensure your children get a strong religious upbringing. Make sure you yourself maintain your religous/spiritual orthodoxy.

While there is a huge Shia community here alhumdolillah, numbers aren't everything. Yes, there are indeed many great momineen here, but there is also a lot of the contrary... 

I'm seeing an alarming number of fellow youth and people here becoming fasiqs and going astray...(I have a relative who became a feminist and threw off her hijab, I have an old friend who's now a big Homosexuality supporter, I've witnessed several old friends who shamelessly broke their Shar ramadhan fast becaue they just stopped caring, I know many guys in the community who are always hanging out with non mahram and have girl-friends, there're muslim girls taking off hijabs and then positing pics online of themselves in half naked clothing, the examples are countless. Even a lot of people who appear religious aren't following religion properly. There's a big problem of the promotion and normalization of improper relgiousity, anyway this is a different discussion. Even a few "religious" institutions have adopted some modern and in my opinion deviant ideologies or futile practices...)

So if you do come here, just be really careful. Surround yourself with the right kind of people and do not let your guard down or compromise your religious values even the slightest, to simply "fit in" or something petty like that.

Make sure you're educated about religion yourself to a decent extent as the attacks here are also on the level of ideology and beliefs...it's not simply the pressure to do act xyz that may be haram, but many a time there's pressure on you to adopt ways of thinking which are in essence, kufr.

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by AStruggler

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

Sorry? Canada speaks English and French but majority of them speak English. Am I right?

Inuktun, Cree, Métis, Mohawk and Cayuga come to mind and the Canadian French is different from the standard French that is usually taught. If you move to Quebec, French classes are mandatory. 

[Abu_Zahra]

10 hours ago, Guest wawa said:

The Netherlands and Belgium are pretty racist and islamophobic tho and also don’t have a big shia community. 

Not true that they don't have shia communities. Brussels alone is estimated to have 10k shiite muslims, many of them Moroccan reverts. 

 

[AliTanjiro]

Sydney Australia is good. Life’s expensive but in sha Allah you’ll be happy here. There a lot of Shia communities and masjids. 

[guest 2025]

22 hours ago, Diaz said:

Thanks brother, I was planning to immigrate to Dearborn because my grandma’s siblings are living there, but I’m still not sure.

I would highly highly recommend Dearborn Hts. The Qazwini mosque is excellent and the gem of the city. It is very active with programs, it is youth orientated so your children will play an active role in it, it's a mosque mainly run by its people, it has a school program for kids and a hawza for adults. Canada is also a good choice.

Edited July 31, 2020 by guest 2025

[AmirioTheMuzzy]

13 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Inuktun, Cree, Métis, Mohawk and Cayuga come to mind and the Canadian French is different from the standard French that is usually taught. If you move to Quebec, French classes are mandatory. 

You can get by in virtually all of Canada with English alone (to varying degrees), not to mention that he would only be moving to major cities anyways. Canadian French is not different enough from standard French to cause any linguistic barriers. He's an adult, not a student, so he won't have to take French classes. 

Edited July 31, 2020 by AmirioTheMuzzy

[Abu Hadi]

22 hours ago, Diaz said:

I meant in here xD 

Thanks brother, I was planning to immigrate to Dearborn because my grandma’s siblings are living there, but I’m still not sure.

If your thinking about coming to the US, first i would wait until after the November election. If Trump loses, which it looks like now he will, you have a much better chance. With Trump in Office, you have almost zero percent chance of getting a Visa approved coming from a Muslim country, unless your name happens to be Al Saud or Erdogan.

Also if I were to emmigrate at this time Dearborn wouldnt be my first choice. If u take into considerations the job market, cost of living, and Muslim communities, parts of Texas, Colorado, or North Carolina are probably better

[AbdulKarim313_Austin/Nola]

Alhamdulilah, 

I agree with brother Abu Hadi. You should wait until after US elections if you choose Dearborn. Shia communities are big in Dearborn. If you already have family in Dearborn then that could make your transition much easier instead of moving somewhere and starting from scratch. 

Once you are in Dearborn you can easily visit Canada and see how you like it first since it’s close to Dearborn. I don’t think Canada is letting Anyone from America in their country right now due to the corona problem in the states. However, I think this will change after the elections as well. 

I live in Texas and there is a bigger market of jobs with fairly decent Shia communities in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin etc. But I believe Michigan has bigger Communities and it’s not as islamaphobic as up in the North as perhaps the south. 

Insha’Allah May Allah make it easy on you in which ever place that you are guided to. 

[AmirioTheMuzzy]

17 hours ago, AStruggler said:

So if you do come here, just be really careful. Surround yourself with the right kind of people and do not let your guard down or compromise your religious values even the slightest, to simply "fit in" or something petty like that.

At the same time, you need tact and nuance when judging Western values and standards. Also, know your crowd and be cautious with the topics you bring up.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

11 minutes ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

At the same time, you need tact and nuance when judging Western values and standards. Also, know your crowd and be cautious with the topics you bring up.

This and after a while, you will begin to understand that the world is not easily divided between East and West.

[Guest wawa]

12 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

Not true that they don't have shia communities. Brussels alone is estimated to have 10k shiite muslims, many of them Moroccan reverts. 

 

well I barely meet shias and I live in the Netherlands near Belgium

[Gaius I. Caesar]

4 hours ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

He's an adult, not a student, so he won't have to take French classes. 

Here's what the government of Quebec says :

Quote

Selection factors in the point grid

The selection factors and criteria are designed to assess your social and professional profile (as well as your spouse’s, if applicable) and help determine your potential for integrating into the Québec labour market and Québec society? The factors and criteria considered are:

Your training (level of education and area of training). Only diplomas obtained before the submission of your application are considered in the attribution of points for the Education Level criterion;

Your work experience

Your age

Your knowledge of French and English

Your stays in Québec and family relationship with a Canadian citizen or a permanent Québec resident

Having a permanent employment offer validated by the Ministère. See the section International recruitment - Hiring a permanent foreign worker

Characteristics of your accompanying spouse or de facto spouse, if applicable

Other factors, incuding the number of children under the age of 22 who will be accompanying you to Québec

Your capacity for financial self-sufficiency (you must sign a contract in which you undertake to provide for your needs and your family’s needs for at least the first three months following your arrival in Québec).

 

https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settle/permanent-workers/requirements-programs/index.html

It seems to me that it's a requirement. ^

[Diaz]

4 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

If your thinking about coming to the US, first i would wait until after the November election. If Trump loses, which it looks like now he will, you have a much better chance. With Trump in Office, you have almost zero percent chance of getting a Visa approved coming from a Muslim country, unless your name happens to be Al Saud or Erdogan.

Brother, I did message you since March 2020 but till now you didn’t reply. Btw, I’m not planning to immigrate now, I will do it after few years. I’m still at high school.
 

4 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Also if I were to emmigrate at this time Dearborn wouldnt be my first choice. If u take into considerations the job market, cost of living, and Muslim communities, parts of Texas, Colorado, or North Carolina are probably better

Yeah I was thinking about Colorado, thanks for the info.

 

3 hours ago, AbdulKarim313_Austin/Nola said:

If you already have family in Dearborn then that could make your transition much easier instead of moving somewhere and starting from scratch. 

Sorry, they are actually in Detroit. I thought they are in Dearborn plus I don’t know them.

 

just to clarify I’m not planning to immigrate now, but I want to get ready from now so that I can immigrate once I’m ready.

 

[Quran313]

I immigrated to. I felt a bit shy initially practicing religion, but after a while I got used to it. If you face your fear, you can get over it. If you want to be same and shy on it, then it would be hard to practice, and it may convince you that you should forget religion. I had so many occasions like not shaking hands in job interview, telling the CEO to take the wine off the table, blah blah blah  Eventually you can do it if you do Tawakkol and work hard