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Creepy Joe -or- Sleepy Joe Biden

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On 8/18/2020 at 11:49 PM, Cherub786 said:

Like I said, it serves to humiliate the arrogant Arab dictators, expose how impotent they really are.

This is false. Bombing civilians only builds resolve in the population and lengthens the war. This has been studied since WWII, and yet these vilians - including Joe Biden - persist in advocating for attacking civilians as an "act of war". (It isn't an act of war, it is a war crime.)

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4 hours ago, Diaz said:

@hasanhh brother, if you don’t mind answering my question, whom will you vote for?

l am a Democrat, so at State and local level l'II vote mostly for them.

However, at the national office level -House, Senate, el-Presidente - l am going to vote straight Republican (unless the candidate is a Muslim-Democrat).

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3 hours ago, notme said:

This is false. Bombing civilians only builds resolve in the population and lengthens the war. This has been studied since WWII, and yet these vilians - including Joe Biden - persist in advocating for attacking civilians as an "act of war". (It isn't an act of war, it is a war crime.)

l have an 'old' book on this entitled Under the Bombs l believe it's so entitled.

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1 minute ago, hasanhh said:

l am a Democrat, so at State and local level l'II vote mostly for them.

However, at the national office level -House, Senate, el-Presidente - l am going to vote straight Republican (unless the candidate is a Muslim-Democrat).

So Biden is worst than trump?

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3 hours ago, notme said:

This is false. Bombing civilians only builds resolve in the population and lengthens the war. This has been studied since WWII, and yet these vilians - including Joe Biden - persist in advocating for attacking civilians as an "act of war". (It isn't an act of war, it is a war crime.)

America never targets civilians deliberately (unlike the Arab dictators by the way, both Saddam and Assad used chemical weapons against their own civilians). Another thing America doesn't do is use human shields (a most cowardly military tactic) which is also a tactic of Arab terrorist groups like Hizbullah and Hamas. It is obvious who the real criminals are.

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1 hour ago, Cherub786 said:

America never targets civilians deliberately

How long were you in the US military? And how many years have you been oblivious to the news of the world?

I'm not saying that the middle eastern dictators are better. Someone else being worse doesn't make a bad thing good. 

And that's exactly why (in my opinion) Trump being worse than Biden does not in any way imply that Biden is good. 

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

l have an 'old' book on this entitled Under the Bombs l believe it's so entitled.

I may go look for that book. I've already got a long list, so I might not. Thanks. 

 

This one? 

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0813109779/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_iaTpFb0BMWV9T

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1 hour ago, Cherub786 said:

America never targets civilians deliberately (unlike the Arab dictators by the way, both Saddam and Assad used chemical weapons against their own civilians). Another thing America doesn't do is use human shields (a most cowardly military tactic) which is also a tactic of Arab terrorist groups like Hizbullah and Hamas. It is obvious who the real criminals are.

You have to be kidding me with this take. https://revcom.us/a/027/vietnam-destroy-village.htm#:~:text=On March 16%2C 1968%2C a,were to be no prisoners." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah_killings_of_April_2003#cite_note-hrw-1. Where did the intelligence Saddam was using to target folks with chemical weapons come from? https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/. How about the testimonies of the drone pilots that talk about language to the likes of "cutting the grass before it grows" https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jpyxky/read-chilling-testimonials-from-us-drone-pilots.

The intent is not even relevant anyway, the outcome is. If someone deliberately kills 10 individuals, is that different from someone that says they don't intend to kill 100, and then end up killing 100, because the people don't even register as remotely human in the minds of those setting policies? I'd say the latter is worse. US policies have involved arming dictators and groups that have routinely killed civilians and they don't care, because the bottom line is down to interests. The people barely matter.

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On 8/18/2020 at 11:49 PM, Cherub786 said:

Like I said, it serves to humiliate the arrogant Arab dictators, expose how impotent they really are. Arab dictatorships have to constantly propagandize about their supposed invincibility and the personality cult of strength of their leaders. America takes pleasure in bombing them to wreck that image. Just think of Saddam, the guy was so arrogant, plating his toilet with gold, and erecting statues and portraits of himself everywhere. Then one day he is being pulled out of the sewer by young American soldiers, looking like a homeless person wearing rags, and being filmed as those soldiers search his unkempt hair and beard for lice. This is what these arrogant Arab dictatorships all deserve. That's why I love the American neocons.

Well Saddam was perfectly fine with them when he was gassing Iranian soldiers. Apparently the moral calculus of the neocons doesn't seem to bother you here. If they're so bothered by dictatorships why not stop supporting Saudi Arabia? Mccain till his last breath refused to stop arming them despite the heinous atrocities they committed in Yemen.

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

There is also a study done of the Londoners. Don't know the name because this study is of Germans and l thought l named the London study.

In a book I am currently reading there are mentions of both studies. The British study was conducted during WWII, before the allies started their bombing campaign, and the German study was conducted shortly after the war. They reasoned that even though civilian attacks made the British more determined, British people were different from German people. They found that they were wrong. I could check the bibliography. 

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