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How does Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) act in creation?

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Sorry if this is a stupid question but,

How does Allah act in creation to fulfil His decree? How does he accept our duas?

For example, if I pray that I want to perform well on a running competition, will He increase my stamina?

Will he make the judges hearts more lenient? Will He make me more determined and motivated to exercise everyday?

How does Allah act?

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5 hours ago, Ejaz said:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but,

How does Allah act in creation to fulfil His decree? How does he accept our duas?

For example, if I pray that I want to perform well on a running competition, will He increase my stamina?

Will he make the judges hearts more lenient? Will He make me more determined and motivated to exercise everyday?

How does Allah act?

Do you believe your Dua has been decreed as well?

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4 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

With Wisdom. In every act of His (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) there is a wisdom behind it. 

So will He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) do whatever is most wise out of these options?
 

5 hours ago, Ejaz said:

For example, if I pray that I want to perform well on a running competition, will He increase my stamina?

Will he make the judges hearts more lenient? Will He make me more determined and motivated to exercise everyday?

How does Allah act?

 

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1 hour ago, Ejaz said:

So will He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) do whatever is most wise out of these options?
 

 

It also possible that He will make the person lose the whole competition even after praying to Him (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and having exercised many years. These are worldly life affairs, that out of it we can even learn something wisdom that will guide us spiritually. When it comes praying sincerity for religion matters, we can not lose, because the intention itself is a good deed.

 

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3 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

We don't believe in Asharites theology.

So, actions are not decreed by God?  So there are things which are not decreed? It sounds blasphemous to my ears honestly. 
But you realize that this is not what 12ver Shias believe in.  Like, the average layperson is taught “some things are decreed like death, your genetics, who your parents are, but other things are not, like your decisions”. But this is not the complete teaching, this is just for children or for people who have lower intellectual capacity (this is generally what is explained in Muharram and Ramadhan lectures on minbars)

Asharites believe in al-amr Baynal anrayn as well, they do acknowledge freewill as well (btw),

my point is: In my understanding, no Muslim should ever say that their actions are NOT decreed by God (as it just goes completely against the ethos of the Quran). (This however does not contradict freewill).

 

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51 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

How does God have “foreknowledge” when God there is no future in relation to God?”  What do you mean by “foreknowledge”?

Like this:

 

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2 hours ago, Ejaz said:

Like this:

 

lol @music in the background.  So, what is your response?  Does God really have "foreknowledge"? 

So, can you explain this Mr. Ejaz:

It is He who has control over the heavens and earth and has no offspring—no one shares control with Him—and Who created all things and made them to an exact measure.[8]

again, I do accept we bear responsibility for our actions.

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14 hours ago, Ejaz said:

How does Allah act?

........Just as water plays with itself by assuming the forms of waves, the Self, the ultimate Reality, plays happily with Himself. Though there are multitudes of visible objects, and wave upon wave of images, still, they are not different from their witness. .
He is the only Animator in all this wealth of manifold, magical forms. It is He alone who lives as man and woman, bird and beast, cloud and shore. There is really no other you than the one Self. We call It God, or Allah. It is He who is enacting every role, taking on every form. And everything is unfolding just as He wills it to. Be at peace; He is everything, and He is doing everything.

 

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18 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

theology

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Amr bayn al-amrayn (Arabic: أمر بين الأمرين; meaning: a theory between the two theories) is Imamiyya's belief concerning Human predestination and free will. This theory rejects both determinism and delegation of actions to mankind and shows that both God's will and human will are involved in human's voluntary actions in such a way that they are in line with each other.

Based on some hadiths, the theory was first proposed by Imam 'Ali (a).

Explaining some Hadiths
Imam al-Sadiq (a) assimilates the issue of human free will to a wrong-doing person that you prohibit him from the wrong action, but he does not listen to you. Imam said: since the wrong-doer did not comply with your prohibition and you let him do whatever he wants to do does not mean that you have ordered him to do the wrong action.

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Amr_Bayn_al-Amrayn

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relation and pure dependence [faqr] its individuations and images are
mere relations, too, having neither identity [haithiyat] nor independence
of their own. In another expression, the whole House of Realization is,
essentially, attributively and actually, vanished in Allah, because if a being was independent in a personal affair of his, whether in the existential
identity or in any of its other affairs, he would be out of the limits of possibility, and would be changed into essential necessity, which is an obvious falsity. If this divine grace is implanted in the heart and the heart
tastes it as it deserves, a secret of Qadar [qadr] (fate, predestination) will
be exposed to him, and a delicate aspect of the truth of "a matter between
two matters" (amr-un baynal amrayn) will be disclosed to him.
So, the effects and the acts of perfection can be attributed

http://islamicmobility.com/pdf/Adabus Salat.pdf

 

 

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14 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

Does God really have "foreknowledge"? 

When I gave my cat broccoli I knew that it will not accept it. When I gave my cat milk I knew that it will accept it. I believe the case may be the same with God. 
Well this is at least what I believe, and you can correct me if you think I am wrong.

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14 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

It is He alone who lives as man and woman, bird and beast, cloud and shore.

Never understood this concept.
Isn’t this panentheism and/or shirk?

Laisa kamithlihi shay “There is nothing like him” (neither soul, spirit, or the material). 
And how can we conceive of Him if we cannot even conceive of the soul?

Wsalam

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Question 8: “Master, which thing is He?”

Answer 8: “He is light, namely He guides His creatures from among the people of the heaven and the earth. You have no right against me than my professing His oneness.”

Through his question, ‘Umra’n intended to know the reality of Allah, the Exalted. He imagined that He, the Exalted, was like the rest of possible beings. This is impossible. Man does not know his own body and the small systems therein, so how can he know the essence of the Almighty Creator, the Shaper and Originator of the worlds? The Imam answered that he came to know of Allah through His manifest attributes, such as His guiding His creatures and other clear proofs which demonstrate the existence of their Almighty Creator
https://www.al-islam.org/life-imam-ali-bin-musa-al-ridha-baqir-shareef-al-qurashi/chapter-5-his-debates-and-his-arguments

 

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Coming back to the topic, I think this may be an appropriate answer to the question:

-He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is maintaining and sustaining creation in ways that are beyond us.

-He acts and fulfils Duas according to what is Most Wise. He may increase my stamina to win the racing competition (in OP), or he make me lose and lower my stamina like Amir al momineen says “I have known God through the dissolution of my intentions. As @Abu Nur has said.

-He has given us free will, but in the grand scheme there is a Most Wise Plan that is taking place (I.e. the coming of Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام), yaum al qiyama). see my post below.

 

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10 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

Because we are holding onto the ‘I am the body’ idea.

Only Oneness is real. All else is a dream.

Still very confusing topic.
Also a dream is still existing within the universe so is it not real?

Also I don’t want to do shirk or become a panentheist (I am not saying you are doing it brother).

Any Shiite reading material you suggest?

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On 7/18/2020 at 5:19 AM, Ejaz said:

When I gave my cat broccoli I knew that it will not accept it. When I gave my cat milk I knew that it will accept it. I believe the case may be the same with God. 
Well this is at least what I believe, and you can correct me if you think I am wrong.

With respect to your examples about your cat, they are at best good inferences based on your past experiences (not really knowledge).  The question you might want to ask, and this is a serious question that may take you and I a life time to explore: what really do I mean by “knowledge” or “knowing”?  

Do you know what it means “to know”?  

But, enough of keeping you and everyone in suspense:

Basically, “knowing” and “being” are  inseparable.  But you have to verify this for yourself (at least to the level of “ilmul yaqeen” if not “aynul yaqeen” or “haqqul yaqeen”).  “To know”, and “to be” are essentially two sides of the same coin.  This is what makes it possible for you to be “self-aware”, or “self-knowing”.  It is possible to be self-aware only because your being, and your knowing are one reality.  Your “knowing” is not “other” than your “being”.  

 

 

 

 

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On 7/19/2020 at 1:14 AM, Ejaz said:

Still very confusing topic.
Also a dream is still existing within the universe so is it not real?

Also I don’t want to do shirk or become a panentheist (I am not saying you are doing it brother).

Any Shiite reading material you suggest?

Why do you want Shiite readings?  
you should seek Universal Truth.
 DIn AL-Fitrah!

Btw, I would replied the same if a Sunni were to ask:  “Any Sunni reading material?”  
lol

What sort of “truth” is Shiasm or Sunnism, or Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or Buddhism, if it isn’t Universal?  
the answer is, none whatsoever!  

Man is born (with fitrah) with the capacity for internalizing Universal Truth, but his parents make him Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, Shia, or Sunni, etc etc.


this is the Haq brothers and sisters.  

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On 7/18/2020 at 6:49 AM, Ejaz said:

Coming back to the topic, I think this may be an appropriate answer to the question:

-He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is maintaining and sustaining creation in ways that are beyond us.

-He acts and fulfils Duas according to what is Most Wise. He may increase my stamina to win the racing competition (in OP), or he make me lose and lower my stamina like Amir al momineen says “I have known God through the dissolution of my intentions. As @Abu Nur has said.

-He has given us free will, but in the grand scheme there is a Most Wise Plan that is taking place (I.e. the coming of Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام), yaum al qiyama). see my post below.

 

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When you act in your dream (like, in your dream you eat maggots... ewww disgusting I know), are you free?

From the perspective of the dream itself (like within the viewpoint of the dream itself), you are free with respect to that action!  
But from the perspective of your waking state And outside of the dream (after you wake up from the dream), you are not free with respect to that action.  

So, are you free right now?  It depends from which perspective you see things!  this waking state of ours is also a dream with respect to our waking up on the Day of Judgement.  
 

So the answer to whether or not we have freewill is yes/no.  And this is really what “al-amr baynal amrayn” is really all about.  Our freewill is relative.  In some respect we have freewill, but in another respect we don’t.  For those who say, “I am not responsible for my actions”, well they are ignoring the fact that they are relatively free!  And for those who say, “I am the doer of my actions“, they too are ignoring the fact that they are re relatively not-free!

1) you lift one leg up, because you can feel your relatively freewill in doing so.  2) you try lifting the second leg up only to now realize you cannot exercise your relative freewill.  

In your life you will notice that sometimes no matter how hard you try to achieve something, it may not pan out the way you expected it to pan out.  In your trying hard to achieve, you are experiencing your relative freewill.  When you discover that you are not in control and that all your efforts were in vain, you realize that how relatively not-free you are.

this is what the teachings of the Imam are really saying.  The teaching is not that some things are predestined and other things are not!  No.  It is that your actions are relatively free and relatively not free depending from which perspective you see it!  
 

but for the lay person who cannot understand all this, you just have to tell him the story and tell him some things are predestined and others are not... and then if they they don’t ask further good! This the case with most people.  
 

it is a wrong teaching to say the least.  And it shouldn’t be encouraged, but it is.  Shiites have very rich teachings of Imami Wisdom and yet it is hardly understood by the vast majority of Shias (because of the influence of Mutazili Rationalism). It is however understood better among Traditional Sunnis. (And I say this not to demean my fellow Shias, I say this with sincere honesty after living in both camps).
 

 

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38 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

The teaching is not that some things are predestined and other things are not!  No.  It is that your actions are relatively free and relatively not free depending from which perspective you see it!  
 

Yep this is sort of what I understood from the Imam. I think it’s like zooming into the pixels of a painting and we can see that we have free will, but if we look at the painting it was all God’s plan.
With the Shiite Bada’ concept I believe it’s looking at things from creations’ perspective and saying how we can change our destinies through free will, but God Knew (or Knows :)) all along. Other Shi’a brothers probably know more than me.

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On 7/18/2020 at 12:47 AM, eThErEaL said:

How does God have “foreknowledge” when God there is no future in relation to God?”  What do you mean by “foreknowledge”?

1 hour ago, eThErEaL said:

Basically, “knowing” and “being” are  inseparable.  But you have to verify this for yourself (at least to the level of “ilmul yaqeen” if not “aynul yaqeen” or “haqqul yaqeen”).  “To know”, and “to be” are essentially two sides of the same coin.  This is what makes it possible for you to be “self-aware”, or “self-knowing”.  It is possible to be self-aware only because your being, and your knowing are one reality.  Your “knowing” is not “other” than your “being”.  

 

Not sure what you mean brother.

So, the answer to your above question, albeit not directly related to OP, is that God is Knowing from His perspective but He has foreknowledge from our perspective?

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1 hour ago, Ejaz said:

Not sure what you mean brother.

So, the answer to your above question, albeit not directly related to OP, is that God is Knowing from His perspective but He has foreknowledge from our perspective?

Alright, to answer your OP.

Every thing (whether tiny or large), every single thing in creation, fits like a jigsaw puzzle to form one single image (this is God's single Act of Creating, His Saying, "Be!" and it is...).  Each piece is connected to the other piece so perfectly well.  All your sins, and all your good deeds, your entire destiny (and which is like a perfect story), is just one tiny little piece of an entire image.  The entire cosmos is interconnected.  Your lifting of the finger might very well be connected to the rain in another part of the world.  So, your Dua is also an event that fits within the entire system of creation.  

But it is so important to know that your dua does not cause God to do certain things.  Your dua has already been "written down" from eternity (just as everything else in the cosmos has been written down).  God is not a vending machine, you press a button and you get you want.  No.  We ask God for whatever we want simply because God commanded us to ask from Him (not because it causes Him to do things for us).  It is not in our asking, that God obliges.  God does not "oblige" whatsoever.       

  

              

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2 hours ago, Ejaz said:

Yep this is sort of what I understood from the Imam. I think it’s like zooming into the pixels of a painting and we can see that we have free will, but if we look at the painting it was all God’s plan.
With the Shiite Bada’ concept I believe it’s looking at things from creations’ perspective and saying how we can change our destinies through free will, but God Knew (or Knows :)) all along. Other Shi’a brothers probably know more than me.

The Shia Concept of "Bada" is a bit overrated as the origin of it comes from a Khabar Wahid narration and it doesn't really make much sense unless you do a lot of metaphysical gymnastics to make it "make sense".  

The theological view of "Bada" means that God can change whatever He has decreed.  But it doesn't make sense because His decree is eternal!  Now if you say there are decrees which are conditional upon other non-conditional decrees, then it was never really an eternal decree in the first place now was it???!!!   

But the way.... in order to make sense of this concept of Bada (and credit goes to Sheikh Arif Abdul Hussein) one has to say that at every instant or moment (which turns out to be ONLY ONE ETERNAL INSTANT or MOMENT) God decrees/creates!  You can say that Bada is the Spontaneity of Reality in each moment (but which is in fact ONLY ONE ETERNAL MOMENT).  

Basically, Bada just sounds like  an unnecessary jargon and can only be used if you make it "make sense".  

I am of the opinion, just simplify things by tossing it out.  We don't need complications in life.  

    

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