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Clandestine operations inside Iran

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There have been series of mysterious explosions inside Iran in the past couple of weeks at rather alarming frequencies. It's too coincidental for them all to be accidents and the Iranians have acknowledged that the attack on Natanz was a sabotage operation and that there will be a response. It seems to me that this is an acknowledgement of the failure of the maximum pressure campaign and this is an attempt to goad Iran to respond because it looks likely that the Israelis have a limited time period before November to spark a war. A war would reinvigorate Trump, just as the Iraq ware shot up Bush's popularity. But if the Iranians allow these explosions and sabotage attempts over the next 4 months to go unanswered in hopes that it will sink Trump, then that could be problematic because it will weaken the public's confidence in a government that's already suffered in terms of credibility particularly over the shooting down of the Ukrainian airliner earlier this year. 

I have to wonder, how is it this easy to infiltrate Iran's security apparatus that the Israelis managed to do so and plant this explosive. It doesn't look like a cyber operation because these are series of attacks occurring every other day. And it seems like these are planned operations by the Mossad and the CIA along with perhaps, the UAE and Saudi Arabia. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-trump.html.

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At this point, I don't think anything could really save Trump's presidency. 

If the US wanted war with Iran, it would have been happened at this point in time. And with coronavirus going on, Iran has really been the last thing on anyone's mind.

From what I gather, Iranians are acknowledging these incidents as coincidental accidents rather than attacks.

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Here is a question though, 

 

"When the Mossad raided a warehouse in Tehran in January 2018, and emerged with tens of thousands of pages of nuclear-weapons planning documents dating back nearly two decades, it clearly had the help of insiders. "

"Last week, at the invitation of the Israeli government, three reporters, including one from The New York Times, were shown key documents from the trove. Many confirmed what inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency, in report after report, had suspected: Despite Iranian insistence that its program was for peaceful purposes, the country had worked in the past to systematically assemble everything it needed to produce atomic weapons."

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Intelligence agencies had long suspected nuclear activity at the Parchin site, and Iran had refused to allow international inspectors in, saying that as a military base, it was off limits to inspectors and not part of any nuclear experiments.

By the time the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Yukiya Amano, was finally permitted to visit the site in 2015, it was empty, though the agency’s report indicated that it looked as if equipment had been removed. The photos indicate that is exactly what happened: They show a large chamber that nuclear experts say is tailor-made for the kind of experimental activity that the international inspectors were looking for.

It was part of a larger, previously known effort: Satellite photographs show that Parchin was so sanitized before the inspectors’ arrival that tons of soil in the area had been removed, to eliminate any traces of nuclear contamination.

The chamber appears to be part of neutron experiments that strongly point to an effort to build nuclear weapons. "

 

I thought that Iran had denied wanting to use nuclear energy for weapons. What is the government's response to this?

 

This is a good read though, more juicy than tv news. Source:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/us/politics/iran-israel-mossad-nuclear.html

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40 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

"Last week, at the invitation of the Israeli government, three reporters, including one from The New York Times, were shown key documents from the trove. Many confirmed what inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency, in report after report, had suspected: Despite Iranian insistence that its program was for peaceful purposes, the country had worked in the past to systematically assemble everything it needed to produce atomic weapons."

 

Think this was largely pre-2003 where the Iranians were considering going all the way to  the point where they could have nuclear weapons capability and there was I think a battle between the scientific community and the religious establishment on the question of acquiring nuclear weapons and as far as I'm aware, the compromise reached was they could get to the point where they could choose to develop a nuke if they wanted, but wouldn't make that move. 

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/ships-damaged-fire-breaks-iran-bushehr-port-200715144227617.html

In case this was missed.

I must admit, it does appear as if Iran could be under attack.

But who are these "homeland cheetahs"?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53305940

The group's name, the Homeland Cheetahs, is similar to those of other "Iranian" cyber groups, such as Persian Cat, or Charming Kitten - teams of hackers believed to be part of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Cyber Army.

Seven ships damaged after fire breaks out at Iran's Bushehr port

No casualties reported in what appears to be the latest in a series of fires and explosions in Iran.

15 Jul 2020
 
A screen grab taken from Iranian state-controlled IRIB shows firefighters combating a blaze in Bushehr, Iran [IRIB/AFP]
 
 
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16 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

The group's name, the Homeland Cheetahs, is similar to those of other "Iranian" cyber groups, such as Persian Cat, or Charming Kitten - teams of hackers believed to be part of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Cyber Army.

Navy Warship Burning 4th Day Shows Difficulty of Ship Fires :titanic:

On US navy ship blaze;

General Qa’ani: Tough days await America, Israel

https://en.abna24.com/news//general-qa’ani-tough-days-await-america-israel_1055226.html

Cyber attacks again hit Israel’s water system, shutting agricultural pumps :censored:

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Speaking to the British newspaper Financial Times, an unnamed Western intelligence official said in early June that hundreds of people would have been at risk of getting sick and that the attack had come close to succeeding.

“It was more sophisticated than they [Israel] initially thought,” the Western official said. “It was close to successful, and it’s not fully clear why it didn’t succeed.”

“It was small, very small — like a knock on the door,” said one official. “Think of it [as] a gentle reminder. ‘We know where you live.’”

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/politics/explosion-threat-eases-at-burning-navy-warship-in-san-diego/2365645/

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a33325934/uss-bonhomme-richard-navy-ship-fire-still-burning/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/cyber-attacks-again-hit-israels-water-system-shutting-agricultural-pumps/

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"If the bad guys had succeeded in their plot, we would now be facing, in the middle of the coronacrisis, very big damage to the civilian population and a lack of water and even worse than that," he added.

Read more: Iran's cyberweapons keep US on edge

https://www.dw.com/en/irans-cyberweapons-keep-us-on-edge/a-51931883

https://www.dw.com/en/israel-thwarted-attack-on-water-systems-cyber-chief/a-53596796

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On 7/17/2020 at 9:53 AM, Mohamed1993 said:

A sub-section of this article proclaims, "A Iot Iess appetite for adventures . . . under a Biden administration."

l do not agree. He is a 'limousine liberaI interventionist.'

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"Cyber attacks again hit Israel’s water system, shutting agricultural pumps :censored:"

 

It sounds strange to me that the Iranian military would attack water supply systems. Unless I misread this. If it were true, it would it would just give Israel legitimate grounds for war. Which I figure would be the opposite of what Iran would want. 

This almost sounds like a propaganda piece.

and I'm not sure that the US Navy ship has anything to do with this. 

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7 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Thought of a Question: Since it is a 'certainty' that US & Company are behind aII this sabotage,question is: what current concession is this company trying to get? 

A change in leadership of course. A halt to nuclear weapons development. 

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5 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

He is but he'd be keen on preserving Obama's legacy I think. Partisan loyalty is big in America.

Obama's legacy was interventionist foreign policy.

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IRGC dismantles MKO terrorist team in Fars province

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As reported, the MKO terrorists who had infilterated into Fars province were arrested before they could carry out any terrorist act or operation.

The IRGC announced on Thursday that its forces' timely measures prevented the MKO terrorists from conducting sabotage activities in the city of Shiraz.

On Wednesday two people were martyred in a terrorist attack in Sarvabad, Western Kordestan province.

https://en.abna24.com/news//irgc-dismantles-mko-terrorist-team-in-fars-province_1055801.html

Israel will see Iran’s upper hand, if continue their mischief: Top General

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AhlulBayt News Agency (ABNA): The spokesperson for the Iranian Armed Forces says if Israel's officials continue their lies about bombarding and killing Iran’s military advisors in Syria, they will see the upper hand of the Islamic Republic and the resistance front in action.

Brigadier General Abolfazl Shekarchi made the remarks on Thursday, in reaction to fake reports by the Zionist regime about targeting the positions of Iran’s military advisors in Syria, saying, “We warn the Zionist liars and their puppeteers that if they continue their mischief, they will see the upper hand of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the resistance front in action.”

He rejected Israel's claims alleging killing of hundreds or thousands of Iranians by its military as a “desperate media war, psychological operation, and [an attempt at] manufacturing lies.”

The Iranian commander noted that "the Zionist-Western media empire and its regional affiliates" have been leading this anti-Iran propaganda campaign for some time as part of “hollow muscle-flexing” by the inhumane, occupying, and infanticidal Israeli regime in order to project a “false image” of its military capability.

At Damascus’ request, the Islamic Republic has been lending effective military advisory assistance to the Arab country against foreign-backed militants and Takfiri terrorists. The support proved essential to Syria’s defeating in late 2017 of the Takfiri terrorist group of Daesh that has been widely reported to have been created by the United States, Israel’s biggest and oldest ally that tries hard to change the balance of power in favor of Tel Aviv in the region.


By means of the media campaign, psychological warfare and producing lies, Israel has been always trying to cover up its sheer inability and weakness as well as back-to-back defeats in the face of the resistance front in Syria during the past nine years, Shakarchi said, adding, “However, it should know this that it is [only] fooling itself,” he noted.

https://en.abna24.com/news//israel-will-see-iran’s-upper-hand-if-continue-their-mischief-top-general_1055807.html

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31 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

IRGC dismantles MKO terrorist team in Fars province

l find this surprising.

The last profile l read about them was basically a profile of the walker-and-wheelchair crowd.

ADDED: The US must be recruiting dumb-kids again.

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Analysis: Is invisible revenge behind US navy ship fire?

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On Monday, a health official issued a warning, saying that the fume caused by the burning in San Diego is the worst in years.

Hundreds of the navy sailors since Monday started their struggle against the heavily burning fire aboard USS Bonhomme Richard. The blaze is one of the worst onboard a US warship since World War II, authorities believe.

According to the navy officials, there is a “real hell” inside the ship whose heat reached over 1,000 degrees.

Such a high degree of heat sent the firefighters and navy officials into worry about the fire reaching the big fuel tank of the vessel. In case of an explosion caused by the fuel, in addition to the destruction of the ship, the region can have a grave environmental crisis. Rear Admiral Philip E. Sobeck, the commander of the Navy expeditionary strike group whose flagship is the Bonhomme Richard, said that the ship currently holds about 1 million gallons (3.8 million liters) of aircraft fuel. The risk caused the navy authorities to move two cruisers, USS Fitzgerald and USS Russell, to faraway piers.
 

Fire cause unclear

So far, the cause of the explosion was not discovered by the navy authorities or they may not want to tell people what really caused the huge ship to burn. A spokesman to the navy said that the force is yet to find out what happened but he assured them there was no clue that the fire was intentional....

 

Can the ship be mended?

Some observers, including former sailors and navy experts, have raised a question about if the ship can be repaired and returned to service.....

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Is intangible revenge possible?

While the US officials do not seem to have an accurate idea about the real reason behind the explosion or do not want to give it publicity, in an important stance General Ismail Ghaani, the commander of the Iranian IRGC’s Quds Force, in comments on the US ship incident said: “What has happened in the US, especially the navy incident, is a result of the actions, behavior, and crimes of the American government. This is God’s promise that whoever commits crime and oppression will suffer from God’s punishment. They were caught in God’s punishment because they changed God’s words, oppressed, and committed crimes.”

He added that the Americans should not look for culprits. They should not accuse others.

“This is a fire they lighted and today they are encompassed by it. We have to tell them that this incident is the response to your crimes that took place at the hands of your own elements. God punishes you with your own hands,” he added.

Addressing the American government, General Ghaani said: “You still live your good days. Very tough days and incidents await you and the Israeli regime.....

“As long as the Americans do not believe in a supernatural power going beyond the man’s power and see themselves the mighty power, they will not be immune to such blows. After all, God is an observer and avenger,” an Iranian expert said.

https://en.abna24.com/news//analysis-is-invisible-revenge-behind-us-navy-ship-fire_1056343.html

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48 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Some observers, including former sailors and navy experts, have raised a question about if the ship can be repaired and returned to service.....

Preface: After the problems with aluminium in ship construction were clearly identified during and after the FalkIands War, l am surprised these have come about so prominently forty years later. A four day fire.

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/it-only-took-days-for-a-fire-to-hinder-the-us-navys-pacific-fleet-for-years-to-come/ 

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It is certainly a possibility that the Israelis have concluded that they need to take advantage of the Trump Presidency while it is still here, knowing they may not have the same opportunities under a possible Biden Administration.

It is also possible that both Netanyahu and Trump may escalate tensions with Iran for domestic political reasons, as they are both under massive scrutiny at home for failing to handle the Covid-19 crisis and the economic issues that came with it. A war with Iran may be the only thing Trump can do which may push some Americans to stand behind their current President and reject a transition.

One analysis I have read is that the Israelis may seek to weaken Iran's nuclear program so that if Biden is elected, atleast he will be in a stronger position when it comes to negotiations on the future of the Iran deal and its provisions.

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4 hours ago, Northwest said:

A lot of apparent sabotage is being downplayed as mere “accidents” by Iranian media. Hmm...

I did see this, I wasn't sure if this was accurate but it could also be possible that every fire and explosion is being overhyped as a form of psychological manipulation. For example, the jerusalem post (not exactly favourable to Iran) reported that the US itself had 5 different explosions last week. So it could just be that Iran's infrastructure is terrible. The explosion at Natanz and the Missile factory I believe are safe to assume as acts of sabotage.

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3 hours ago, Sumerian said:

It is certainly a possibility that the Israelis have concluded that they need to take advantage of the Trump Presidency while it is still here, knowing they may not have the same opportunities under a possible Biden Administration.

It is also possible that both Netanyahu and Trump may escalate tensions with Iran for domestic political reasons, as they are both under massive scrutiny at home for failing to handle the Covid-19 crisis and the economic issues that came with it. A war with Iran may be the only thing Trump can do which may push some Americans to stand behind their current President and reject a transition.

One analysis I have read is that the Israelis may seek to weaken Iran's nuclear program so that if Biden is elected, atleast he will be in a stronger position when it comes to negotiations on the future of the Iran deal and its provisions.

Unfortunately, President Trump does seem susceptible to political manipulation. His own hand of cards is pretty bad these days. He may be looking for someone, perhaps anyone, to throw him a bone. 

Bush invaded Iraq over questionable implications. With all the drama over the nuclear deal, then the death of the American contractor, Soleimani's assasination, the Iraqi base missile attacks, the downed civilian airplane, and the ongoing hezbollah rocket attacks (that could start the process all over again), etc. there is definetly some work that needs to be done for improved relations. I think I got those events in correct temporal order, though of course we could include the toppling of Saddam and the US withdraw and power vacuum that received ISIS.

But I still think that if the US really wanted to invade Iran, it would have already happened. Even though the ballistic missiles hadn't killed soldiers in Iraq, Trump could have easily used that as grounds for an invasion. Very easily.

But I think, a broken Iran could be even more dangerous for America (and the world), than a strong Iran. And I think everyone knows this, especially after ISIS took hold of Iraq after the removal of Saddam. The US needs Iran. And really, Iran needs the US too. 

The unhappy, yet necessary, attempt at peace.

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19 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

Unfortunately, President Trump does seem susceptible to political manipulation. His own hand of cards is pretty bad these days. He may be looking for someone, perhaps anyone, to throw him a bone. 

Bush invaded Iraq over questionable implications. With all the drama over the nuclear deal, then the death of the American contractor, Soleimani's assasination, the Iraqi base missile attacks, the downed civilian airplane, and the ongoing hezbollah rocket attacks (that could start the process all over again), etc. there is definetly some work that needs to be done for improved relations. I think I got those events in correct temporal order, though of course we could include the toppling of Saddam and the US withdraw and power vacuum that received ISIS.

But I still think that if the US really wanted to invade Iran, it would have already happened. Even though the ballistic missiles hadn't killed soldiers in Iraq, Trump could have easily used that as grounds for an invasion. Very easily.

But I think, a broken Iran could be even more dangerous for America (and the world), than a strong Iran. And I think everyone knows this, especially after ISIS took hold of Iraq after the removal of Saddam. The US needs Iran. And really, Iran needs the US too. 

The unhappy, yet necessary, attempt at peace.

I don't think there is any thirst for an invasion of Iran, even among the most hawkish neocons. I think it is established in Washington now that nation-building is too costly and ties the US down strategically.

I think if hostilities were to break out, the US would target Iran's vital civilian infrastructure such as oil refineries, power stations, sea ports, railways, roads, bridges, food production factories etc... as well as targeting Iran's military infrastructure like airbases, naval bases, air defense, missile production facilities and storage as well as targeting leading military figures and finally they will also target Iran's political infrastructure by targeting key elite figures in the Iranian political establishment. All this can be done by US air, naval, and cyber power alone with no need for ground troops.

Iran knows this, and Iran's response to this is to raise the economic and political cost of an attack from the US and its allies, by threatening missile, drone, cyber, boat and proxy attacks on vital civilian infrastructure in the Gulf and/or Israel, on US bases in the region or near Iran, on international shipping and/or US and allied naval vessels, and so on. The sight of even one Iranian missile evading interception and landing on a major city or the sight of even a few hundred US troops in coffins from Iranian and/or proxy attacks may deter the US from initiating a war.

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53 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

I think if hostilities were to break out, the US would target Iran's vital civilian infrastructure

ln the 2000s, the first round of bombing under 'Global Strike' planned on 10,000 targets.

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5 hours ago, Sumerian said:

I don't think there is any thirst for an invasion of Iran, even among the most hawkish neocons. I think it is established in Washington now that nation-building is too costly and ties the US down strategically.

I think if hostilities were to break out, the US would target Iran's vital civilian infrastructure such as oil refineries, power stations, sea ports, railways, roads, bridges, food production factories etc... as well as targeting Iran's military infrastructure like airbases, naval bases, air defense, missile production facilities and storage as well as targeting leading military figures and finally they will also target Iran's political infrastructure by targeting key elite figures in the Iranian political establishment. All this can be done by US air, naval, and cyber power alone with no need for ground troops.

Iran knows this, and Iran's response to this is to raise the economic and political cost of an attack from the US and its allies, by threatening missile, drone, cyber, boat and proxy attacks on vital civilian infrastructure in the Gulf and/or Israel, on US bases in the region or near Iran, on international shipping and/or US and allied naval vessels, and so on. The sight of even one Iranian missile evading interception and landing on a major city or the sight of even a few hundred US troops in coffins from Iranian and/or proxy attacks may deter the US from initiating a war.

I agree with just about all of this but the last piece there.

If an Iranian missile landed on a major city or if there were a few hundred US troops in coffins from a proxy attack, I think that would remove public resistance for an invasion, and would therefore initiate war.

As opposed to the idea that such an attack would deter initiating a war, I think it would take away from western sympathy and would make Iran look more guilty than innocent.

I think that, the thought of an attack on American troops is a deterrent. But the physical action itself, would be a catalyst. And I think Iran knows this as well, given that their ballistic attacks on the Iraqi bases did not kill anyone (as presumably planned). Iran put the idea of dead US troops in the minds of people. But didn't actually kill anyone. Thereby deterring without the catalyst. 

And really, this is the only way to acquire peace. Trump is like a living catalyst, waiting for its source of reaction. Or waiting for its reagent. And Iran is more like an inhibitor. 

I think if the US can return to its inhibitor state, progress could be made. I think everyone should just lay low for a bit. Come November trump will be replaced and we can start at square 1 again.

 

And yet, sometimes I have doubts over the extent of control that Iran has over proxies in Iraq. If an invasion were to hinge upon a proxy attack in Iraq, I would think that such attacks would stop, and get they seem like somewhat regular occurences. As if there may be people who do want war.

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On my last post, here is what I was referring to:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/iran-backed-armed-group-denies-iraq-rocket-attack-interests-200705145048571.html

Since October, US diplomats and troops across Iraq have been targeted by about three dozen rocket attacks

three dozen would be 36 attacks over the span of about 9 months. Which is 4 attacks per month, or about 1 attack per week, on average, over the last 9 months.

It makes me wonder how many people might actually want an invasion to occur.

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1 hour ago, iCenozoic said:

On my last post, here is what I was referring to:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/iran-backed-armed-group-denies-iraq-rocket-attack-interests-200705145048571.html

Since October, US diplomats and troops across Iraq have been targeted by about three dozen rocket attacks

three dozen would be 36 attacks over the span of about 9 months. Which is 4 attacks per month, or about 1 attack per week, on average, over the last 9 months.

It makes me wonder how many people might actually want an invasion to occur.

Iran is cognizant of the statusquo is not sustainable for them. Their economy has taken a hit, they are the worst hit country by COVID in the ME, and the US will not allow them to get a loan from the IMF. So they are desperate to do something that would cause the US to rethink or at least get the US to pull out from Iraq and use their entrenched influence in Iraq to get around sanctions etc. All of this started from the withdrawal by Trump from the JCPOA. 

1 hour ago, iCenozoic said:

But the physical action itself, would be a catalyst.

Iran knows this, but attacks by its proxies in Iraq fall short of an attack by the Iranian state, so they can still claim deniability. An attack on US forces in March, killed 2 US soldiers, 1 British soldier and 1 American contractor. The US responded by airstrikes that killed an Iraqi civilian at an airport in Kerbala (geniuses smh). 

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2 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

If an Iranian missile landed on a major city or if there were a few hundred US troops in coffins from a proxy attack, I think that would remove public resistance for an invasion, and would therefore initiate war.

As opposed to the idea that such an attack would deter initiating a war, I think it would take away from western sympathy and would make Iran look more guilty than innocent.

I think that, the thought of an attack on American troops is a deterrent. But the physical action itself, would be a catalyst.

As l have noted this past couple of weeks l have been going through and weeding some files. This includes lRl, which l have followed since an extra college course l took forty years ago.

Last night l came across an article citing a think-tank -or maybe the think-tank itself- from the Bush-Rice era wherein the article said the US was trying to provoke lRl so the US had every excuse to attack.

From the same time period, l had this info about the "arrest" of five  lranian diplomats in Samara(?) and a couple of other US provocative actions. While reading this after about another fifteen years l thought of Soleimani (sp?). So lRl and leaders do well not to be provoked and calculate a response.

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Why do I get the feeling that there are always demoralizer people regularly present on SC ever since I joined? Probably because its true. Let me explain. Since the start:

- "Israel is sending its submarines into the persian gulf to "choke" Iran". To which I responded: "The Persian gulf is a few dozen meters deep, submarines can not operate there". Of course such people never relent. Ok, fine.

- "The Green Movement is going to make Iran implode!"

- "OMG that girl who got shot and filmed dying, Neda Aga Soltan. Iran is so cruel, so evil! OMG OMG".

- "OMG Iran hanged a criminal and killed some terrorists heartlessly inside their country. How bad!"

- "the Uncle Sam's Good Sanctions Alpha version 0.9 (tm) have brought Iran to its knees! OLOL. OLOL.!!!"

- "Arabs under MBS, the US and Israel are about to invade Iran!~ OMG whatchu gona do???!!!"

- "Iran is going to implode to the New and Improved Uncle Sam's Good Sanctions Beta version 0.92 (tm). Its all over for Iran now!! Heheh"

Like, hello, find a job. There are hundreds of countries in this world. There are proper villains, genocidal mass murderers, and on the other side very good people history will never forget. Why are you always going on about Iran? They are sticking it out for the rest of the free world and do not ask you anything. At least be happy and relent. Pray for the ummah and talk about some other country as well sometime.

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2 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

On my last post, here is what I was referring to:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/iran-backed-armed-group-denies-iraq-rocket-attack-interests-200705145048571.html

Since October, US diplomats and troops across Iraq have been targeted by about three dozen rocket attacks

three dozen would be 36 attacks over the span of about 9 months. Which is 4 attacks per month, or about 1 attack per week, on average, over the last 9 months.

It makes me wonder how many people might actually want an invasion to occur.

^^^^As l noted about my reading/weeding above, there were several accusatories in there stacks, too. What you cite is another re-hash of 2005-2007. At the same time then, US generals were publically saying there was no evidence of direct involvement by lRl.

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34 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Iran is cognizant of the statusquo that is not sustainable for them. Their economy has taken a hit, they are the worst hit country by COVID in the ME, and the US will not allow them to get a loan from the IMF. So they are desperate to do something that would cause the US to rethink or at least get the US to pull out from Iraq and use their entrenched influence in Iraq to get around sanctions etc. All of this started from the withdrawal by Trump from the JCPOA. 

Iran knows this, but attacks by its proxies in Iraq fall short of an attack by the Iranian state, so they can still claim deniability. An attack on US forces in March, killed 2 US soldiers, 1 British soldier and 1 American contractor. The US responded by airstrikes that killed an Iraqi civilian at an airport in Kerbala (geniuses smh). 

I just don't think that regular rocket attacks are a means of demonstrating a return to relative stability. The response of killing Soleimani and the ensuing ballistic missile and rocket attacks are a reflection of this. 

If anything, we want to go in the opposite direction (if we can).

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6 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

^^^^As l noted about my reading/weeding above, there were several accusatories in there stacks, too. What you cite is another re-hash of 2005-2007. At the same time then, US generals were publically saying there was no evidence of direct involvement by lRl.

Are you saying that you think things are worst now because militia attacks are being attributed to Iran? 

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39 minutes ago, The Green Knight said:

To which l responded, "The Persian gulf is a few dozen meters deep, submarines can not operate there". Of course such people never relent. Ok, fine.

You need to check some bathymetric charts.

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