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Black Lives Matter [OFFICIAL]

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5 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

:hahaha: O.M.G.

A local high school is going to change its logo in response to Native-America criticism. Why?

The horror, the horrors

They call themselves Warriors


Q: What could possible be 'offensive' about that?

Generally speaking the Native Americans seem to have issues with native imagery being used for emblems and mascots and such, as it probably comes across as being disrespectful.

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2 hours ago, Ali_Hussain said:

issues with native imagery being used for emblems and mascots


Are they used in a demeaning way?

They do not have copyrights on Drums (one aspect: to communicate with the Great Spirit); depictions of Animal Tracks (spirit guides); solar symbols; the T-Bird (Thunder Bird --the Germans have the Donner Engle--T-Bird a cool car and my favorite symbol); or on the "holy coyote" (l haven't heard this said on film or in person for sixty years).

Example:  https://www.thoughtcatalog.com/daniella-urdinlaiz/2018/10/native-american-symbols/

ADDED COMMENT:  Think of this this way for a second. lf you had to choose a symbol or mascot for your school, will you choose something like "the Scumbags" ?  So how can people fantacize this was demeaning? And it is not similar to Chinese-Americans getting 'upset'/insulted when people in normal conversation ask them where they are from --like somehow Chinese aren't supposed to be in America.


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On 7/25/2020 at 12:44 AM, lover said:

First, why would this BLM movement follow Karl Marx' teachings? From their point of view Marx was a white guy. And no matter how good his arguments would sound, they are arguments of a white German.

Second, people tend to become something, like Marxist, fascist etc. As soon as they see the teachings of an ideology, they follow it blindly, without having ever read the pro and con arguments about it. They also don’t see the historical context. Even if all of arguments of Karl Marx were valid and true, which in fact they aren't, they were only true in his time and era, as he was no prophet or anything similar. That's why he didn't write about environment, AI etc., as he couldn't anticipate those developments. His main arguments were about the exploitation of humans following the Industrial Revolution. Marx created his assumptions mainly around the Industrial Revolution and its consequences.

In 1992 German philosopher Helmut Fleischer wrote in his essay about Marxists: "Marxists have changed their Marx so much so that it has become necessary to interpret him differently: rather in an historic context than as a doctrinaire-eccentric figure."

Other than that one can only say to those BLM members who are Muslim, that Islamic teachings suffice to be against racism.

Third, why didn't the BLM movement show any kind of solidarity with people who are not black and discriminated against? How about Mexican children who were separated from their parents in the USA. Okay, you can argument that people fight only for their own kind. So if there are Muslims in the BLM, why didn’t those people showed solidarity when Muslims from certain other countries were banned from entering the USA only because they were Muslim?

Even if Malcolm X has lived more than 50 years ago, he was way ahead of these wannabe activists today. At least he included "black, brown, red and yellow" people in his fight against racism. Unfortunately, nowadays people are self-centred and only show activism when their own kind is mistreated.

"We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk,”

Patrisse Cullors, BLM Co-Founder

BLM emerged from the Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO), and Cullors' mentor was Eric Mann, a long-time leftist activist. He was involved in several Communist groups in the 70s and 80s. Mann is Jewish, and was from a family of committed Zionists.

He was later arrested on terrorism charges for trying to kill police officers, and did time in prison. 

The racial dimension to this whole thing is just a pretense, or inroad to the ultimate objective, which is the overthrow of capitalistic society and the revolution of the proletariat. The women who sits on the board of BLM's fundraising trust is a convicted terrorist as well. Behind closed-doors, and at rallies, BLM openly promotes violence and revolution. 

No Muslim, or anyone else, should be tricked into cooperating with these people, or supporting them. Demanding better policing, or better living conditions for black people is perfectly fine, but the BLM organization goes way beyond that. 

An analogy can be made for supporting the Palestinian people. There are ways to do that, and put pressure on Israel, without latching on to some violent group who has aims far beyond that (and the Palestinians are legitimately oppressed). 

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The Black Lives Matter movement is problematic for many reasons but the biggest one for me is the hypocrisy of opposition to racism and supremacy by imposing nauseating apologetics for what is also clearly racism and supremacy. 

But I like the dissenting views and passion in a thread on SC - reminds of the old days :)  

However, for some - there is some serious misunderstanding about the position of Jews in Europe.  Many were successful  - but that was because they had to do some fancy dodging of barbaric racism and truly systemic (as it was enshrined in the laws) barriers imposed by Christians and Muslims.  To parody Ilhan Omar's style:  "some people need some reading".   The persecution of Jews in Europe went on for nearly 2 millennia.  The Holocaust was just the icing on the cake.

Here is a good start to find links:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews


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There seems to be a misunderstanding.

People seem to think that he's obliterating the BLM sign.

But actually he's challenging racist notions of white people being better than others at planning, organising and not managing to coat your clothes and phone in paint.

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