Mufti Abu Layth, Taqiyya?

[Guest PathSeeker]

What do you guys think? Do you agree that Abu Layth may be cleverly hiding his Shiasm to lure the Sunnis? 

I mean he advocates Mu'tah, criticises Bukhari and Sunni hadith tradition, subtly argues against uprightness of the Sahabah (criticises Abu Hurairah via Ka'b as has been argued by Shia) , "borrows" shi'ite hadith narrator criticism, rejects sunni understanding of mutawatir, rejects seeing Allah, advocates maliki fiqh (similar to jafari e.g. in Salah) and argues that Sunnis should be receptive to Shia. 

He doesn't talk about the imams as that would be too obvious and obviously outwardly expresses sunni views on other issues (but its like this isn't the main focus). Can't be too obvious. But the way he attacks sunni hadith and opens the door to criticism of the Sahabah does make you think... 

I think his strategy is to get Sunnis to doubt or reject their hadith and scholars. He's the push to conventional twelver pull. It's an interesting take on reconciliatory taqiyyah. 

What do you guys think? 

[Ibn Murtuz]

No, he is not.

He also helds belief that are against Shiaism

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Rauf Murtuzov

[Haydar Husayn]

No, he’s just a deviant.

[MuhammadHasanAlBritani]

On 7/9/2020 at 2:43 PM, Rauf Murtuzov said:

No, he is not.

He also helds belief that are against Shiaism

 

That wouldn't disprove OP's point as it is being alleged the the Mufti does taqiyyah, so he could outwardly hold anti-shi'i views, whilst inwardly holding different views.

Why defend him in this anyway? Who cares if he's doing taqiyyah or not - I think we in Ahlus Sunnah are in agreement that he is a deviant nonetheless. Hani from the Sunni defence made the point that he might be an Ismaili but Allahu Alam, the guys a mubtadi, who cares what type.

[Ibn Murtuz]

9 hours ago, MuhammadHasanAlBritani said:

That wouldn't disprove OP's point as it is being alleged the the Mufti does taqiyyah, so he could outwardly hold anti-shi'i views, whilst inwardly holding different views.

Why defend him in this anyway? Who cares if he's doing taqiyyah or not - I think we in Ahlus Sunnah are in agreement that he is a deviant nonetheless. Hani from the Sunni defence made the point that he might be an Ismaili but Allahu Alam, the guys a mubtadi, who cares what type.

Yes he is a deviant, but I don't think it wrong to decode which type he is. So one gets better understanding on deviant individuals and groups. So one knows how to refute them.

Edited July 11, 2020 by Rauf Murtuzov

[Muhammed Ali]

He thinks Yasir Qadhi may be hiding his true beliefs, and he may be doing the same. 

[Haydar Husayn]

He doesn't believe in miracles and doesn't even believe that some of things in the Qur'an actually happened. So for example, he doesn't believe that Musa's staff turned into a snake. What he believes is that Allah taught Musa (عليه السلام) to perform magic tricks with mercury (yes, seriously). 

 

And he believes that in the Qur'an Allah uses Christian-style rhetoric (holy spirit, Word of God, Virgin birth) to 'build bridges' with the Christians, but that no Muslim believes what the Qur'an says about Jesus (a). In other words, he doesn't believe this stuff is true, and Allah just put it there for to help Christians include towards Islam. It makes you wonder why Allah would then say that Jesus wasn't crucified in that case, because that's the number one issue Christians have with the description of Jesus in the Qur'an! Having said that, despite what the Qur'an says, he believes that there will be no second coming of Jesus, so presumably he does believe Jesus is dead.

And of course he doesn't believe in the Virgin Birth or Jesus speaking in the cradle.

 

Personally, I'm quite happy for the Sunnis to keep him.

[AmirioTheMuzzy]

Also he makes insane rulings, such as the permissibility of masturbation. 

[Haydar Husayn]

9 minutes ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

Also he makes insane rulings, such as the permissibility of masturbation. 

And that would probably be one of the less insane ones.

 

[eThErEaL]

On 7/8/2020 at 7:45 PM, Guest PathSeeker said:

What do you guys think? Do you agree that Abu Layth may be cleverly hiding his Shiasm to lure the Sunnis? 

I mean he advocates Mu'tah, criticises Bukhari and Sunni hadith tradition, subtly argues against uprightness of the Sahabah (criticises Abu Hurairah via Ka'b as has been argued by Shia) , "borrows" shi'ite hadith narrator criticism, rejects sunni understanding of mutawatir, rejects seeing Allah, advocates maliki fiqh (similar to jafari e.g. in Salah) and argues that Sunnis should be receptive to Shia. 

He doesn't talk about the imams as that would be too obvious and obviously outwardly expresses sunni views on other issues (but its like this isn't the main focus). Can't be too obvious. But the way he attacks sunni hadith and opens the door to criticism of the Sahabah does make you think... 

I think his strategy is to get Sunnis to doubt or reject their hadith and scholars. He's the push to conventional twelver pull. It's an interesting take on reconciliatory taqiyyah. 

What do you guys think? 

He is definitely not Shia.

But he is not even taken seriously amongst Traditional Sunni Ulema.  

Just a kid on the block.

 

Edited July 12, 2020 by eThErEaL

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 7/11/2020 at 3:48 AM, MuhammadHasanAlBritani said:

Hani from the Sunni defence made the point that he might be an Ismaili

Salam whole of members of Sunni defence are Nasibi & deviants that are supporting ISIS so it doesn't has any credibility like a deviant calls other one a deviant.

 

Edited July 13, 2020 by Ashvazdanghe