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Your claim that Hashd al Shaabi was behind the killing of civilians is not proven and you have not shown any proof of this. What you are doing is called spreading rumors.

Far more better indeed. 

The America hatred on this forum is getting very old. I'll criticize my country moreso than probably anyone on here, but the militant hatred of America has got to stop. I don't get on here and just

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To clarify, this was iraqi anti terrorist groups ordered by current PM Khadimi to assault and arrest members of the Hashd Al Shaabi.

Khadimi would have never done something like this without being ordered to do it by the kafir US troops in Iraq. Now they say several of the Hashd commanders that they arrested have been given to the kafir troops, but it is unconfirmed at this point to my knowledge.

Very sad news and development, to treat the Hashd who upheld the lives and honor of the people when the rulers failed to do so in such a manner.

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On 6/26/2020 at 3:25 AM, Soldiers and Saffron said:

To clarify, this was iraqi anti terrorist groups ordered by current PM Khadimi to assault and arrest members of the Hashd Al Shaabi.

Khadimi would have never done something like this without being ordered to do it by the kafir US troops in Iraq. Now they say several of the Hashd commanders that they arrested have been given to the kafir troops, but it is unconfirmed at this point to my knowledge.

Very sad news and development, to treat the Hashd who upheld the lives and honor of the people when the rulers failed to do so in such a manner.

Actually I think many Iraqi nationalists weither "Shia" or "sunni" will be happy with that. 

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1 hour ago, Kaya said:

These men are the ones who sacrificed everything to liberate Iraq from Isis plague. So sad to see the people turn against them now... 

“The people” or just a faction of Iraqis and/or foreign mercenaries responding to foreign handlers? Also, Iran hasn’t really done anything to respond to these provocations.

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2 minutes ago, Northwest said:

“The people” or just a faction of Iraqis and/or foreign mercenaries responding to foreign handlers? Also, Iran hasn’t really done anything to respond to these provocations.

Which provocations? 

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Just now, Mohammadi_follower said:

Which provocations? 

Attacks on the PMUs and other anti-ISIS groups, including the recent arrests described in the OP. Iran has taken quite a hands-off approach to these provocations.

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Save your curses for the kafir invaders in muslim land and pray instead to God to guide the muslims who submit to the kafir invaders instead of fighting them.

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1 hour ago, Kaya said:

These men are the ones who sacrificed everything to liberate Iraq from Isis plague. So sad to see the people turn against them now... 

So if they help fight Isis do they have suddenly authority for criminal acts? How we can live in such country that does not have any rule of law? These same people shelled Bagdad last year and bunch of innocent civilians died from those attacks but this seems to be okay!! Right?  These same Toyto drivers massacred plenty of unarmed protester last year.. Its okay right? Do you guys also understand that PMU is not controlled even by state? How can these people have so much power in Iraq when they have not even chosen  by the population?  PMU is controlled by one political party that had 1 million votes from 40m population.

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4 minutes ago, Guest Sunshine said:

So if they help fight Isis do they have suddenly authority for criminal acts? How we can live in such country that does not have any rule of law? These same people shelled Bagdad last year and bunch of innocent civilians died from those attacks but this seems to be okay!! Right?  These same Toyto drivers massacred plenty of unarmed protester last year.. Its okay right? Do you guys also understand that PMU is not controlled even by state? How can these people have so much power in Iraq when they have not even chosen  by the population?  PMU is controlled by one political party that had 1 million votes from 40m population.

Your claim that Hashd al Shaabi was behind the killing of civilians is not proven and you have not shown any proof of this.

What you are doing is called spreading rumors.

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5 minutes ago, Guest Sunshine said:

So if they help fight Isis do they have suddenly authority for criminal acts? How we can live in such country that does not have any rule of law? These same people shelled Bagdad last year and bunch of innocent civilians died from those attacks but this seems to be okay!! Right?  These same Toyto drivers massacred plenty of unarmed protester last year.. Its okay right? Do you guys also understand that PMU is not controlled even by state? How can these people have so much power in Iraq when they have not even chosen  by the population?  PMU is controlled by one political party that had 1 million votes from 40m population.

So this is a good thing that they had been arrested? 

Also you said that only 1 million people voted for them. But are there many other parties which did better? 

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1 minute ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Your claim that Hashd al Shaabi was behind the killing of civilians is not proven and you have not shown any proof of this.

What you are doing is called spreading rumors.

Even if they did that we must see how that happened and in which circumstances. 

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Just now, Mohammadi_follower said:

Even if they did that we must see how that happened and in which circumstances. 

Regardless, proof must be shown when making an accusation or it counts as rumors. Furthermore there is a difference between a civilian and a criminal. One breaks the law and the other one does not. If the Hashd fought against vandalizing criminals who are weaponized with molotov cocktails, it is different than for example Hashd driving into a market place and started to fire aimlessly at civilians shopping.

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On 6/26/2020 at 6:27 AM, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Save your curses for the kafir invaders in muslim land and pray instead to God to guide the muslims who submit to the kafir invaders instead of fighting them.

Not every “Muslim” is a Muslim remember Abu Bakr, Omar, Othman Mu’awiya and yazeed ? Biggest imposters. remember Paul the imposter ? History is repeating itself. Remember bahlul the disciple of imam al-Kathim ((عليه السلام)) ? He got offfered the whole of Baghdad and he rejected it for the truth. 

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4 minutes ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Regardless, proof must be shown when making an accusation or it counts as rumors. Furthermore there is a difference between a civilian and a criminal. One breaks the law and the other one does not. If the Hashd fought against vandalizing criminals who are weaponized with molotov cocktails, it is different than for example Hashd driving into a market place and started to fire aimlessly at civilians shopping.

Yes indeed. Because if they are like the "innocent civilians" who destroyed many banks and police station like we saw in Iran they are not so much innocents. 

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3 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Regardless, proof must be shown when making an accusation or it counts as rumors. Furthermore there is a difference between a civilian and a criminal. One breaks the law and the other one does not. If the Hashd fought against vandalizing criminals who are weaponized with molotov cocktails, it is different than for example Hashd driving into a market place and started to fire aimlessly at civilians shopping.

The Iraqi intelligence commission has good reputation. They would not have done these rides without evidence. Your molotov cocktail analogy fail because those militants literally hunt unarmed people. Not people that Throw  molotov cocktails. Molotov cocktails have  been used in many protest all over the world and they dont get killed by militants or even government. Many BLM protest used Molotow coctail... Taiwan protester used Molotows.. How much of them where killed? None. 

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3 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Your claim that Hashd al Shaabi was behind the killing of civilians is not proven and you have not shown any proof of this.

What you are doing is called spreading rumors.

Yes they where. All the militants are with PMU. Only militants and Pro Iranians are against the protester because they are threat to their power. Only Militants Roam in Baghdad street with 20 toyota  truck and thousand of ammos. Abdul mahdi government was also controlled by Pro Iranians. Thar allah are heavily funded by Iran. They can easily give order or create new Militants group to do these attack with their names. None of PMU have code named those attacks. None of them where interest on investigating them. They dont care because they support them.

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3 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

The Iraqi intelligence commission has good reputation. They would not have done these rides without evidence. Your molotov cocktail analogy fail because those militants literally hunt unarmed people. Not people that Throw  molotov cocktails. Molotov cocktails have  been used in many protest all over the world and they dont get killed by militants or even government. Many BLM protest used Molotow coctail... Taiwan protester used Molotows.. How much of them where killed? None. 

I don't know for Taiwan but actually there had been some death and injured among American protestors. 

 

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Yes they where. All the militants are with PMU. Only militants and Pro Iranians are against the protester because they are threat to their power. Only Militants Roam in Baghdad street with 20 toyota  truck and thousand of ammos. Abdul mahdi government was also controlled by Pro Iranians. Thar allah are heavily funded by Iran. They can easily give order or create new Militants group to do these attack with their names. None of PMU have code named those attacks. None of them where interest on investigating them. They dont care because they support them.

And so there are more Iraqis supporting these protestors than hashd al shaabi? Do you have some polls or something about that? 

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3 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

Yes they where.

Sorry but saying "yes they where" does not mean you have provided proof that Hashd Al Shaabi was killing innocent civilians in Baghdad. You are still spreading rumors.

Please stop spreading rumors as it is a grave sin and take a moment to read this:

https://www.al-islam.org/islamic-moral-system-commentary-surah-hujurat-jafar-subhani/sin-making-rumours

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I don't know the details so I won't comment on the story. What I would like to say is that just as noble and righteous it is to make a stand against an attacker and to protect your land and fellow humans, it is equally as noble to step down when the job is done.

I can't comment on the hashd, but recent history alone has shown that militias that emerged with certain goals eventually ended up facing accusations of misuse of power and authority (Mahdi army, Badr brigades) 

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Funny comments. This is what happened:

- Iraqi intelligence got a hold of information regarding planned attacks in the Green Zone, which is not surprising considering the fact that attacks by Katyusha rockets have been happening for months

- after this information was taken to a Court specialised in such issues, a warrant was granted for an anti-terror op.

- the Iraqi CT force then showed up at these bases and found rockets and other weaponry, seized them, and arrested the members that were planning to carry out this attack. And no one was shocked to know which militia these people belonged to.

- the militia responded by parading their humvees full of armed men in Baghdad and established convoys adjacent to government buildings, a clear threat

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So clearly we established a two points:

* You have heavily armed men belonging to an organised group operating outside of state control but claiming they are part of the internal security apparatus, something that doesn't exist in normal civilised countries

* They have been attacking several sites in the Green Zone for months, among other targets across Iraq, and this has been the first real response from the Iraqi Government

In any country in the world when a group launches an armed operation without approval from the State, especially in the capital of the country, that would be legeitimate grounds for arrest and criminalisation. But ShiaChat boards beg to differ.

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3 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

Sorry but saying "yes they where" does not mean you have provided proof that Hashd Al Shaabi was killing innocent civilians in Baghdad. You are still spreading rumors.

Please stop spreading rumors as it is a grave sin and take a moment to read this:

https://www.al-islam.org/islamic-moral-system-commentary-surah-hujurat-jafar-subhani/sin-making-rumours

It is a not a Rumor. If I bring here evidence you will not take any source as face value. Shelling Bagdad is also terrorism. As I said.... last year  of Shelling  killed civilians.. PMU is based on 80 different militants group. Basically all the Shia militants.  Remember when the 10-15  militant toytota truck convoy cut  Bagdad electricity and started to massacre people?.They where also allowed in Checkpoint without any problem. Who could  do this in Bagdad if not PMU and its militants that think Protester are American agents? Do you guys release that we are country without sovereignty and rule of law does not apply to anyone that have powerful political army base in Iraq?  As I said before PMU is not controlled by state and the state fund them because the Pro Iranian force in the  Parliament have allowed this. They can literally break any law without any problem. Thinks has now little bit changed because Kadimi are independent. 

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@Sumerian @Abu Nur I don't really went to debate with you about this because I know your opinions but I just want to understand something.

You support this action because of the sovereignty of Iraq. Fine. 

But then why you don't do the same with American forces? 

Iraqi parliament said American forces must go but Americans just refused to do that which make them in some way a foreign army occupying Iraq. 

So pmu attacked them because of what they did to Soleimani in Iraq and because they refused to leave Iraq. 

So just for understand if you are so much about Iraqi sovereignty why the Iraqi government do something against pmu but nothing against American forces? 

Thanks for your answers. 

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On 6/26/2020 at 5:33 PM, Sumerian said:

Funny comments. This is what happened:

- Iraqi intelligence got a hold of information regarding planned attacks in the Green Zone, which is not surprising considering the fact that attacks by Katyusha rockets have been happening for months

- after this information was taken to a Court specialised in such issues, a warrant was granted for an anti-terror op.

- the Iraqi CT force then showed up at these bases and found rockets and other weaponry, seized them, and arrested the members that were planning to carry out this attack. And no one was shocked to know which militia these people belonged to.

- the militia responded by parading their humvees full of armed men in Baghdad and established convoys adjacent to government buildings, a clear threat

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So clearly we established a two points:

* You have heavily armed men belonging to an organised group operating outside of state control but claiming they are part of the internal security apparatus, something that doesn't exist in normal civilised countries

* They have been attacking several sites in the Green Zone for months, among other targets across Iraq, and this has been the first real response from the Iraqi Government

In any country in the world when a group launches an armed operation without approval from the State, especially in the capital of the country, that would be legeitimate grounds for arrest and criminalisation. But ShiaChat boards beg to differ.

I agree with you on some points but I dont agree with you on the order of which the government should adress them:

First of all, let's be clear here, the target that the PMU has been firing rockets towards in the green zone is the embassy of the US regime, a regime which currently has kafir soldiers occupying Iraq, a regime who also murdered the second in command of the Hashd. Attacking them is not only justified but until the kafir soldiers who occupy muslim land leaves, it is a must. There has been other groups (the US army) that launched armed operations without approval from the state, have they too been arrested?

The leader of the anti terror operations is a very controversial man who is without a doubt an opportunist who is willing to slave himself to whoever gives him the most opportunities. The 7th of May Khadimi was chosen as the new PM, on the 9th of May he reinstalled saedi as chief of the CT group. Saedi is without doubt in close cooperation with the US regime.

The government of Iraq must first and foremost deal with foreign soldiers (most notably US ones) on their land, second of all they must regain sovereignty over the kurdish regions which includes dismantling or including their armed forces into the state forces as well as expelling turkish forces from the region.

And lastly, they should integrate the Hashd and not only integrate them but give them command over the forces as they have proven themselves as protectors of the people, unlike the useless governments Iraq has had in the past, whos armies ran when daesh came, leaving the women and children to suffer.

Now the Iraqi government has voted to expel the US forces from their land, much later than they should, the kafirs have not complied, they are in fact an occupying force which needs to be dealt with immidetiently and they will NEVER leave willingly until it will cost them more to stay and they gain by leaving.

Having said all of this, I have to add that I have a hard time understanding why you would put so much trust in a government which have not proven itself whatsoever. Currently they are trying to fight Hashd who saved the country and its people when they themselves failed to do so, instead of fighting illegal occupiers who have armed forces doing whatever they wish, including assassinating Iraqi citizens. Do you trust in the integrity of the government? I think they might be too used to the taste of american dollar saddaqah to act honorably.

I am afraid that if Khadimi wants to go down the path of a slave of kafirs, then not only will it set Iraq backwards, but it will also set it on the path of becoming a slave nation without honor, furthermore it will cause bloodshed between Iraqis, truly it is a shame after all the suffering that the people have had to go thru.

I urge you to reconsider what should be done first and in which manner, should Khadimi use brute force against the men who saved the nation and is currently upholding the honor of it by fighting off the kafir invaders? While the same kafir invaders keep putting dollars in his pockets to do so as they smile at his stupidity?

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1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

@Sumerian @Abu Nur I don't really went to debate with you about this because I know your opinions but I just want to understand something.

You support this action because of the sovereignty of Iraq. Fine. 

But then why you don't do the same with American forces? 

Iraqi parliament said American forces must go but Americans just refused to do that which make them in some way a foreign army occupying Iraq. 

So pmu attacked them because of what they did to Soleimani in Iraq and because they refused to leave Iraq. 

So just for understand if you are so much about Iraqi sovereignty why the Iraqi government do something against pmu but nothing against American forces? 

Thanks for your answers. 

Not sure what you are trying to say.

I agree the US should be forced out of Iraq, but it should be forced out by the Iraqi Government not by individuals or groups without State approval.

My thing is this: everything needs to come from the State. Any operation. Any movement. Any arming.

The Iraqi Government has already initiated the Strategic Dialogue that will deal with all Iraq-US matters, including the future status of US forces. This is a matter for the Iraqi Gov and the Iraqi Gov only to handle.

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20 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Not sure what you are trying to say.

I agree the US should be forced out of Iraq, but it should be forced out by the Iraqi Government not by individuals or groups without State approval.

My thing is this: everything needs to come from the State. Any operation. Any movement. Any arming.

The Iraqi Government has already initiated the Strategic Dialogue that will deal with all Iraq-US matters, including the future status of US forces. This is a matter for the Iraqi Gov and the Iraqi Gov only to handle.

So the Iraqi government prefer to arrest local groups with the same faith than foreign kuffar armies? 

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Raid on Kata'ib Hezbollah HQ in Baghdad dictated by US: PMU leader

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“The late Thursday night's operation against Hashd al-Sha’abi had been dictated by the United States. There are foreign interventions and bids in order to deal blows to the PMU,” Qais al-Khazali, leader of Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq, which is part of the PMU, said in a statement released on Friday.

He advised Iraqi officials not engage in a confrontation with Hashd al-Sha’abi as the anti-terror group represents people from all strata of the Iraqi society.

“No one can prevent the resistance fighters from fighting US forces to get them out of Iraq, if they [American troops] do not withdraw through peaceful means,” Khazali pointed out.

He also highlighted that no resistance faction has ever targeted Iraqi government institutions inside Baghdad’s heavily fortified Green Zone.

https://en.abna24.com/news//raid-on-kataib-hezbollah-hq-in-baghdad-dictated-by-us-pmu-leader_1050563.html

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32 minutes ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

I agree with you on some points but I dont agree with you on the order of which the government should adress them:

First of all, let's be clear here, the target that the PMU has been firing rockets towards in the green zone is the embassy of the US regime, a regime which currently has kafir soldiers occupying Iraq, a regime who also murdered the second in command of the Hashd. Attacking them is not only justified but until the kafir soldiers who occupy muslim land leaves, it is a must. There has been other groups (the US army) that launched armed operations without approval from the state, have they too been arrested?

Let's run through the events.

First of all, American troops returned to Iraq in 2014 at the request of the Iraqi Gov - close to Iran, led by Al-Maliki, after the fall of Mosul and other Iraqi cities to ISIS terrorists. Sayyed Al-Sistani at the same time declared fatwa of Jihad Al-Kifaa'i which led to the creation of Hashd Al-Shaabi.

During the period from 2014 till 2018, no Iraqi militia attacked a US base or even had a skirmish with US military personnel. Why? Because ISIS was at large, and whether the PMU likes to admit it or not, at many times they were fighting with support from US airpower. They were happy with US presence at that time or atleast didn't feel it was a threat.

In 2018, ISIS as a conventional military threat was relatively defeated, and at this time the US declared a maximum pressure campaign on Iran after withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal. 

During this period, strange drone attacks were being conducted on PMU bases, most likely Israel being the culprit, with the intention of destroying missiles that can be launched towards Israel from Iraq, by pro-Iranian forces.

A campaign was then launched by pro-Iranian forces to target US bases in Iraq, without State approval, and most likely under Iranian direction. Most of these attacks failed (if the intention was to kill Americans), but after several attempts, an American contractor died as a result of a Katyusha attack on a US base.

The US responded by attacking sites in Iraq and killing over 20 fighters. A clear act of aggression that the Iraqi Government protested. This attack led to protests by PMU fighters infront of the US embassy in Baghdad. This prompted Washington to respond by assassinating Soleimani and Al-Muhandis.

Now, we have established a few things:

* The Iraqi Government led by Maliki requested the return of US troops to Iraq, and Iranian backed groups only started having a problem with them after ISIS's defeat and the declaration of the maximum pressure campaign against Iran. 

* These groups were conducting operations outside of State control or approval and that is haram, whether you like it or not, based on Sayyed Al-Sistani's fatwas which says heavy arms must be in the hands of the State and the State's declarations are supreme.

My opinion is the status of US soldiers and their presence in Iraq is an issue for the Iraqi Government to handle and it is handling it right now with direct talks with Washington. We are not a country if we have our own mini armies dictating policies on everyone else. There is only one word and one word that matters: that of the Government.

The militias really exposed themselves when they paraded in Baghdad showing themselves to be rebellious and non-controlled at all by the State, by actually challenging the State itself.

So in other words, the issue of "kafir soldiers" is not for Tom, Dick and Harry to solve. It's for for Haji Fulan with an Ak-47 who wants to be a hero to solve. It is primarily Al-Kadhimi's job to solve.

I would also add how hypocritical it is for some groups or countries to be selective when it comes to the presence of US troops in Iraq. This is not a religious question, stop acting like it is. When the turban heads wanted American soldiers to get rid of Saddam they were throwing flowers at the feet of US soldiers. So there is no principled stance, it is driven by geopolitical interests of the times.

As for Al-Saa'edi, he is a national hero and a true patriot of Iraq, may Allah bless him. No one made ISIS run away like girls the way he did. For you to insult him is an insult to our Nation.

Finally I say this to you: worry about your own country. 

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13 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

So the Iraqi government prefer to arrest local groups with the same faith than foreign kuffar armies? 

Arresting someone for a criminal action is what countries do everywhere in the world. Targetting embassies and the Airport is not only a criminal action, but a terroristic action. 

Also, finally the Iraqi Government done something other than killing innocent protesters, for that is the real crime. Not this, this was an action long overdue.

And again, the issue of foreign forces is being handled right now. I am positive US troops will leave Iraq eventually, and that is the position of the current Iraqi Government.

And just so you understand, the vote of the Parliament was non-binding. Our PM has to literally force them to leave for them to actually leave, but he obviously doesn't want for the US to leave Iraq with bad terms with the US. That is suicide for our economy. The goal is for Washington to remain a strategic partner to Iraq, just as Iran is. Independent foreign policy.

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38 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Arresting someone for a criminal action is what countries do everywhere in the world. Targetting embassies and the Airport is not only a criminal action, but a terroristic action. 

Also, finally the Iraqi Government done something other than killing innocent protesters, for that is the real crime. Not this, this was an action long overdue.

And again, the issue of foreign forces is being handled right now. I am positive US troops will leave Iraq eventually, and that is the position of the current Iraqi Government.

And just so you understand, the vote of the Parliament was non-binding. Our PM has to literally force them to leave for them to actually leave, but he obviously doesn't want for the US to leave Iraq with bad terms with the US. That is suicide for our economy. The goal is for Washington to remain a strategic partner to Iraq, just as Iran is. Independent foreign policy.

So what Americans did in Iraq is not terrorism? I don't care at all if Americans are in Iraq and have there business here but I am really doubtful that Americans will leave Iraq, I am the only one to think that? So you are saying that what said Iraqi parliament toward American troops was pointless? Is it not a contradiction toward what you said about Iraqi sovereignty or I didn't understand you? 

As for the people killed during protest I have also some questions. Do there were not also violent people among them? Do there were not also Iraqi governmental troops among those who attack them? 

 

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15 hours ago, Sumerian said:

As for Al-Saa'edi, he is a national hero and a true patriot of Iraq, may Allah bless him. No one made ISIS run away like girls the way he did. For you to insult him is an insult to our Nation.

Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis(رضي الله عنه) was a national hero to Iraq, the same man that the kafirs in your country murdered and whose money you seem to like more than your integrity. Otherwise you would want them gone, so dont speak of national heros as if you care about them.

If you truly believe that the US regime has partners then I would urge you to study how it treats its "partners" look at recent events with Germany for example. The US does not have partners, only slaves who will be punished if they disobey. I would urge you to think things thru though I think your too stubborn to change you mind about things before the consequences of being wrong is imminent at which point your change of mind will be futile.

15 hours ago, Sumerian said:

the vote of the Parliament was non-binding. Our PM has to literally force them to leave for them to actually leave, but he obviously doesn't want for the US to leave Iraq with bad terms with the US. That is suicide for our economy.

It seems like you would rahter have your country to live of the sadaqah of kafirs instead of the rizq of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) which is what you receive when you live by haqq, If that is the case then please dont speak ill of those who do wrong for the sake of money ever again. The US will NEVER leave Iraq without force, mark my words.

You put such levels of faith in your government, it is really amazing to me, as if the governments of Iraq did not have a track record of corruption.

If you believe the US government came to iraq in 2014 to help against daesh, then daesh is gone, so what are they still doing in Iraq other than assassinations? Giving out saddaqah to people willing to be their slaves?

15 hours ago, Sumerian said:

Finally I say this to you: worry about your own country. 

Anyone who accepts the wilayah of amirul mumineen(عليه السلام) is my countryman.

There are alot of shias in the land of Iraq as well as some of our Imams, as long as that is the case, I will worry and care for the area of which they live in and there is nothing you can do about that.

It seems to me that over the course of discussing this as well as other similar topics with you, it has become more and more evident that your a secular nationalist and this is a great shame. A muslim should always identify as a muslim first and foremost and as such act in accordance with what is best for Islam which is not always the same as what is best for your wallet and we should strive to establish amr bil maroof wa nahi anil munkar as the state laws, not the secular laws of men but the laws of God. Otherwise we have insulted God and made fun out of our religion.

I am ready to kill and be killed for what I believe in but I dont think you would be able to say the same, because what I believe in is amr bil maroof wa nahil munkar and thru it the establishment of the kingdom of al Mahdi(ajf), while what you believe in seems to be the materialistic interest of a single nation ahead of haqq and batil. Though my goals transcends dunya, while yours start and end with dunya.

You wish to have "partnerships" with the slaves of israel, enemies of Islam and God and to forgo what is haqq at the cost of it, so be it. I thank God that not all the people of Iraq think like you. I hope you live long enough to think otherwise.

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5 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

So what Americans did in Iraq is not terrorism? I don't care at all if Americans are in Iraq and have there business here but I am really doubtful that Americans will leave Iraq, I am the only one to think that? So you are saying that what said Iraqi parliament toward American troops was pointless? Is it not a contradiction toward what you said about Iraqi sovereignty or I didn't understand you? 

As for the people killed during protest I have also some questions. Do there were not also violent people among them? Do there were not also Iraqi governmental troops among those who attack them? 

 

Iraq protested the action of the Americans and the Americans have handed over most of their bases to the Iraqi Government. 

What the parliament did was a show of opinion that it is time US troops leave, and this led to the current negotiations between the US and Iraq on the terms of leaving, the date, and how the draw down of US troops will happen.

Again, this is the job of Government, not the job of Haji Superman from Basra who wants to be a hero for Iran.

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