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Ya'll calling antifa thugs are real funny, the US government that's going to arrest them has committed way more violence than antifa can ever dream of, but that kind of violence is somehow acceptable.

I personally don’t engage in any form or type of non-Islamic politics, because it has no influence whatsoever on my eventual salvation. As I mentioned previously, today’s anti-fascists, just as the ne

They are strictly a threatening and violence based group.  And arresting them is the mildest form of what should be done.

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Funny thing, you can’t ban the Antifa as it is not an organisation, it comprises autonomous activist groups that meet for protests or actions and then disperse. There’s no structure, membership or leaders. They really demonise this movement, which in this day and era is nowhere near as radical even. In the past far-left groups used to set off bombs and assassinate state officials. Nowadays they march in protests and leave antifascist stickers behind. 

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1 hour ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

Funny thing, you can’t ban the Antifa as it is not an organisation, it comprises autonomous activist groups that meet for protests or actions and then disperse. There’s no structure, membership or leaders. They really demonise this movement, which in this day and era is nowhere near as radical even. In the past far-left groups used to set off bombs and assassinate state officials. Nowadays they march in protests and leave antifascist stickers behind. 

And beat people with bike locks. Come on. Antifa is a disgusting group. They’re violent children with barely any understanding of politics. They even went as far as plotting to stab Ben Shapiro

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2 hours ago, Ibn Al-Shahid said:

And beat people with bike locks. Come on. Antifa is a disgusting group. They’re violent children with barely any understanding of politics. They even went as far as plotting to stab Ben Shapiro

There is no such thing as Antifa. Do you even know what Antifa means? Anti fascist. Every people that are anti fascist are supposed to be Terrorist? How that works man?  

 

The whole Ben Shaprio stab thing is just pure fake news.  I give you advice. Dont take any information from right wing site because they basically live in fake news world.

 

https://www.dailycal.org/2017/09/18/berkeley-police-refute-online-rumors-stabbing-ben-shapiro-protest/

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2 hours ago, Guest Sunshine said:

 

There is no such thing as Antifa. Do you even know what Antifa means? Anti fascist. Every people that are anti fascist are supposed to be Terrorist? How that works man?  

 

The whole Ben Shaprio stab thing is just pure fake news.  I give you advice. Dont take any information from right wing site because they basically live in fake news world.

 

https://www.dailycal.org/2017/09/18/berkeley-police-refute-online-rumors-stabbing-ben-shapiro-protest/

Your advice is terrible. “Don’t listen to these guys because they don’t agree with me”. Use some critical thinking. Just because someone calls themselves Anti-fascist doesn’t actually make them Anti-fascist.

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2 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Scientific Socialism (Commies) or National Socialism  (Nazi) 

Both are based in a monarchial "Divine Right of Gov't".

Right. You can support a socialist or communist economy and still be fascist. 

Antifa opposes fascism. As far as I know they don't espouse any economic system, but being a label, not an organization, probably some individuals do support various economies and non-fascist governmental systems.

I oppose fascism (so I guess I'm antifa), and I support democracy at all levels, and a mixed economy in which basic needs are ensured for all, and there are progressive tax rates with no loopholes. I might be considered a utopian socialist in the tradition of Thomas Paine, but I acknowledge his economic ideas only could work at a community scale, not a national scale. 

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Labels make it easier for wholesale vilification and demonizing of groups of people often without much merit. Why can't we reject all forms of injustice together as 'humans'? 

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4 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Antifa is not an organized group like ISIS or Al Qaeda, it really seems like a way to blanketly target anyone that's an enemy of the state.

No, not enemy of the state - enemy of the Trump regime. And that's about 65% of us..

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1 hour ago, realizm said:

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Today being an antifa is mostly tagging ACAB on walls. 

Is this done in reaction to Minneapolis protests against police brutality ? 

It's done in reaction to all incidents of police brutality and abuse of power. It isn't new. 

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17 hours ago, notme said:

It's done in reaction to all incidents of police brutality and abuse of power. It isn't new. 

Well @skylight2 said it well, antifa is anti fascisme, and whom they regard as fascists is mainly police. Hence me wondering if this blacklisting is not related to recent protests. 

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I don't like trump but actually this is not a bad thing to consider these thugs as terrorists. The problem however is like people said they are not an organized group. Maybe we could find them with social media and phones but that would not be easy. 

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35 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

I don't like trump but actually this is not a bad thing to consider these thugs as terrorists. The problem however is like people said they are not an organized group. Maybe we could find them with social media and phones but that would not be easy. 

Have you seen social media lately? Everybody and their brother is claiming to be "CEO of antifa".

It's just an excuse to arrest anyone who doesn't toe the line. Heck, I'm a pacifist and I seriously could be arrested as antifa due to some of my work with community organizations. All I want to do is make sure everyone has a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

If they come get me, shiachat will never know....

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1 hour ago, notme said:

Have you seen social media lately? Everybody and their brother is claiming to be "CEO of antifa".

It's just an excuse to arrest anyone who doesn't toe the line. Heck, I'm a pacifist and I seriously could be arrested as antifa due to some of my work with community organizations. All I want to do is make sure everyone has a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

If they come get me, shiachat will never know....

Antifas claim to be antifascits while they use fascist methods. They are violent thugs who must be arrested. 

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1 hour ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Antifas claim to be antifascits while they use fascist methods. They are violent thugs who must be arrested. 

They are strictly a threatening and violence based group.  And arresting them is the mildest form of what should be done.

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Ya'll calling antifa thugs are real funny, the US government that's going to arrest them has committed way more violence than antifa can ever dream of, but that kind of violence is somehow acceptable. Have you seen the way the cops are acting? They beaten people, gassed homes, beaten up journalists etc. 

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4 hours ago, forte said:

They are strictly a threatening and violence based group.  And arresting them is the mildest form of what should be done.

I would be leader of a country I would prosecute them. 

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Reminder that the conviction rate for cops who kill unarmed people is even worse than that of soldiers in the US military and the latter is already pretty bad. I think ya'll need to separate the riots from the protesters, a lot of the rioters are actually rightwingers hijacking this movement. 

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Whatever happened to not painting everyone with the same brush?

If as a Muslim, you don't like being labelled ISIS, then don't label everyone who identifies as Antifa as some violent criminal. 

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22 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

If as a Muslim, you don't like being labelled ISIS, then don't label everyone who identifies as Antifa as some violent criminal. 

I think there's sadly a lot of racism in the muslim community that we just like to paint as a white person problem. 

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1 hour ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Ya'll calling antifa thugs are real funny, the US government that's going to arrest them has committed way more violence than antifa can ever dream of, but that kind of violence is somehow acceptable. Have you seen the way the cops are acting? They beaten people, gassed homes, beaten up journalists etc. 

[sarcasm] But antifa breaks windows and the holy president says they're bad....  [/ sarcasm]

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Hi,

It is so confusing at times with all these terms, but I'd like to share a little bit about the term fascism:

the term fascism is based on the word fasces.

  • Fasces is an ancient concept of having bundled sticks together for strength and unbreakability.
  • It is first used in Roman tradition

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  • Sometimes they put a blade coming out from the middle to signify further obvious symbolism.

When people say "fascist" nowadays, they actually refer to Italian Fascism, which adopted this concept as a natural progression from the Italy based Roman Republic's symbolic heritage.

Fascism in Islam:

  • Allah tells us not to be divided in the Quran, otherwise we become weak
  • Allah tells us to pray and fight in formation
  • Allah tells us the importance of sticking to our like-minded people and family for success (awlia)
  • Prophet Mohamed explains according to many hadiths, how cutting with relations results in poverty and death
  • The rope holding together the sticks could be seen to resonate with the rope of Allah ( thaqalayn ) that holds us together close to Allah and the Prophet, plus his family
  • the opposite of fitna is unity. One of Allah's names is Al Jami', or the uniter (making it the sunnah of Allah to strive for unity)
  • The fasces could represent concepts like loyalty and solidarity
  • The concept of the 313 is definitely resonating with the fascist idea of being stronger and unbreakable due to a united group

The Bani Israel are a prime example of demonstrating exactly how powerful solidarity can be. A tiny population among the world in terms of numbers, has been able to really take charge of most power-based entities, such as most western countries, the economic system in the world, and much more. The only way that they did it is through solidarity and loyalty to each other, 

From the above movie excerpt: "Remember, unity is strength, All your lives you must stand by one another"


The Antifa movement is a far-left socialist/communist movement, which are movements that stress the opposite of unity or bundling of people with their families or religions. It is no surprise that they are closely related to Anarchism. Communism and Socialism have historically fought against the family unit as a power base for the masses, by encouraging people to depend on the "state" rather than their own people. The result is that in heavily socialist countries today, people have little connection to their families when compared to the times before socialism and communism was first spread. 

However, the irony is that the top echelons of the Bolshevik/ Communist government were very united themselves, and wielded great powers and moneys.

During World War 2, this fact was used in Nazi propaganda efforts such as this one:

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"Bolshevism without a mask"

So the way I see it is that the idea of discouraging people to stick together is wrong. People should stick to their families, to their like-minded friends and neighbours, tribes, or countrymen. What is happening here is that people have been divided and conquered by alienating them from each other and from their government-independent entities.

In other words: Power to the people! But most political ideologies that have this slogan, do the opposite.

Whether this is coincidence or not is up to you to judge, but this anti"fascist" idea is also in perfect line with what is happening with the overblown  COVID 19 mania, where people have been socially distanced and forced to avoid gatherings. This also makes it easy to track people physically and mentally (knowledge is power), while making it almost impossible for them to become any kind of force to reckon with. And now ironically they are controlled in the exact opposite direction by some shady people calling themselves "anti" "fascist".

Furthermore, I would like to educate fellow Shiachaters that the concept and symbol of the Fasces is intrinsically engrained in the American political life, that seems to see itself as the modern-day Roman world:

Here in the Abraham Lincoln memorial, you see Lincoln using two fasces as his arm rests:

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Here is a statue of George Washington with a Fasces that is partially hidden and has a sword hanging from it

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I was planning to post more pictures of facsist symbols in the US, but there is a limit to how many megabytes I can post. Just use the search engine to look for "Fasces in America" and you'll be surprised!

Anyway, I hope we all learned something new from this, and please stick to your families, and people who share your beliefs in Allah, the Prophet and the wilaya of Ali, as well as all good people of the world. Stick to people who you think serve the same agenda as yours and the Imam of your time, regardless of their "religion", race, or gender.

Those symbols and concepts were and are well-known with the power brokers of the world, and they purposely kept the masses away from such 'tricks', so that nobody competes with them.

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10 hours ago, notme said:

[sarcasm] But antifa breaks windows and the holy president says they're bad....  [/ sarcasm]

Thay also destroy banks and markets they see as "capitalist symbols". 

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50 minutes ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

Thay also destroy banks and markets they see as "capitalist symbols". 

*shrugs* 

All praise the holy dollar? 

It's still just vandalism, not terrorism.

Do not misconstrue this as me condoning vandalism - I don't. It is not nearly so big a crime as murder and oppression and colonialism. Shouldn't the US government clean up it's house before commenting on the speck of dust in another's?

I've been told they've been known to punch Nazis too. Somehow I don't have a problem with that at all. I'm not going to punch anyone if I can avoid it, but it wouldn't make me sad if I found out this is true. 

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54 minutes ago, notme said:

*shrugs* 

All praise the holy dollar? 

It's still just vandalism, not terrorism.

Do not misconstrue this as me condoning vandalism - I don't. It is not nearly so big a crime as murder and oppression and colonialism. Shouldn't the US government clean up it's house before commenting on the speck of dust in another's?

I've been told they've been known to punch Nazis too. Somehow I don't have a problem with that at all. I'm not going to punch anyone if I can avoid it, but it wouldn't make me sad if I found out this is true. 

For them if you have right wing thinking you are forcely a nazi. And no I don't support people who destroy places where many people work and not forcely rich bankers. Terrorism is not only about killing. It is also about violently targeting people with violence in the name of an ideology and these people are like that. 

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17 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Ya'll calling antifa thugs are real funny, the US government that's going to arrest them has committed way more violence than antifa can ever dream of, but that kind of violence is somehow acceptable. Have you seen the way the cops are acting? They beaten people, gassed homes, beaten up journalists etc. 

Antifa are thugs. They are scum. The lowest form of scum on the earth. Lower than the bottom of a dog's foot. People who destroy their own country and the business of their neighbors in their own communities are vile, nauseating scum that would cause me to vomit if I had to be in the same room as them. Stupid white college kids, usually obsessed with some sort of perverse alternative sexuality, destroying black businesses and places that employ black people because "HUHH DUHH MUH SOCIALISM!"

Do you know why the US govt's violence is "acceptable"? Because people with a lot of money and power have decided that it is, and they invest a lot into making sure that voices like mine aren't heard & that their pawns like Barack O-bomb-a(child) can promise all sorts of hopey-changey stuff & then step up the bombing of women & children immediately after winning (a fixed) election.

 

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2 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

Antifa are thugs. They are scum. The lowest form of scum on the earth. Lower than the bottom of a dog's foot. People who destroy their own country and the business of their neighbors in their own communities are vile, nauseating scum that would cause me to vomit if I had to be in the same room as them. Stupid white college kids, usually obsessed with some sort of perverse alternative sexuality, destroying black businesses and places that employ black people because "HUHH DUHH MUH SOCIALISM!"

Do you know a lot of the people doing these are right-wingers? The FBI released a report stating this. Antifa is a not an organized group, it's made up of diff people, don't paint them all with such a broad brush. 

2 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

Do you know why the US govt's violence is "acceptable"? Because people with a lot of money and power have decided that it is, and they invest a lot into making sure that voices like mine aren't heard & that their pawns like Barack O-bomb-a(child) can promise all sorts of hopey-changey stuff & then step up the bombing of women & children immediately after winning (a fixed) election.

Yet people buy into their narratives about how everyone part of antifa is a violent thug?

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5 hours ago, notme said:

I've been told they've been known to punch Nazis too. Somehow I don't have a problem with that at all.

Hi Notme hope all is well!

Statistically and historically speaking Communists and Socialists have killed, raped, looted and stolen wayyyyy more than even the highest claims of the Nazi side. With this mentality of sucker punching Nazis because you don't like them, we might as well sucker punch every person on earth! What about the wahabis, the polytheists that insult God by praying to monkeys, statues or Donald Trump? What about the gay "pride" parades? What about American army generals, and politicians of governments who kill millions of people?What about the billions of non-Muslims who believe that prophet Mohamed was a terrorist pedophile liar? Advocating violence in this biased and fitna-spreading way is the exact problem we have in humanity. Let us judge people by their actions rather than their beliefs!

A person might think that Hitler is good, or that God doesn't exist, but that in itself doesn't give us the right to physically attack them. Islam is about self-defense, and not unprovoked attacks in cowardly ways. 

 

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A good I advice you guys to read; it is short and concise, and even though it's quite old, it's still very pertaining to today is this one:

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I bought it on Amazon, and it explains very well the history and background of the "left" and the purpose of communism/socialism. In my opinion, both the right and left are actually 'left', and we are made to believe that they contradict each other, while they serve the same purposee.

My family from both sides has had their lands and livelihood "nationalize" for no legal reason whatsoever. Both my families were law abiding model citizens. Most here are not aware of the damages done by the socialist wave of the last century, which is based on the same communist manifesto, and serves to place control and dystopia into the hands of the few satanic elites.

And anybody who thinks that 'antifa' is spontaneous and leaderless, is very naive in my opinion.

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24 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

Statistically and historically speaking Communists and Socialists have killed, raped, looted and stolen wayyyyy more than even the highest claims of the Nazi side.

Nazis and communists are not opposites, any more than apples and soybeans are opposites. Nationalism and authoritarianism can exist within a socialist or communist economy - look at China, or the former USSR.

I'm opposed to nationalism, as it is contrary to Islam. I'm opposed to authoritarianism because power always corrupts fallible humans. Those are the two elements that define fascist regimes, no matter the etymology of the word. (If what you've said is factual - I took it as true without verification, but do not see the relevance.)

 

Edit: just to clarify, @Allah Seeker are you claiming that fascism is good?

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