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Antifa - designated terrorist organisation

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2 minutes ago, notme said:

He's dead! Geez, you just move the line whenever I cross is. Wikipedia, which is user edited, is acceptable to you, but dictionary dot com isn't? What next, going to demand a YouTube video edited by Hitler himself? 

It's ridiculous. 

actually the first sentence on wikipedia is basically the same as the dictionary. But it is not based on Musolinis quotes. It's not based on Italian Fascist texts. So it is not evidence to me.

As I've shown above, how evidence can be brought. Also, be aware that US government is fascist too. So let us be fair and just, and define what fascism is. Or can you explain why there is a fasces everyone in all political symbols?

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5 minutes ago, notme said:

None of that is relevant. "Islamic fascism" is like "polytheistic Islam", an oxymoron. And we aren't discussing economics so communism is irrelevant, but if you have actually read the topic you would have seen where I said 

other than the quotes that I brought you by Mussolini - trying to help you - how would you tackle proving that fascism itself, and not the man Mussolini, is not compatible with Islam? Do you know anything about the ideology or their texts?

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1 minute ago, Allah Seeker said:

Also, be aware that US government is fascist too.

Yes. Read. 

On 5/31/2020 at 9:05 PM, notme said:

So now everyone who opposes fascism is an enemy of the state? Wow, not pretending anymore then. Ok. 

 

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It's (almost) time for prayer here.

Maybe we should all go to the Quran and see what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has to say about "university values" & whether or not enabling degeneracy is compatible with Islam.

I mean, we're supposed to enjoin good & forbid wrong, right?

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Just now, notme said:

Yes. Read. 

 

Well, I am just trying to have an intelligent educational conversation here. Instead of getting emotions mixed with this, let us try to figure out what Italian Fascism is all about in its core, and then we can study American fascism, and fascist concepts all throughout Roman history that spans over 2 to 3 millennia. what do you think? 

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1 minute ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

It's (almost) time for prayer here.

Maybe we should all go to the Quran and see what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has to say about "university values" & whether or not enabling degeneracy is compatible with Islam.

I mean, we're supposed to enjoin good & forbid wrong, right?

That's off topic. 

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we must give things the benefit of the doubt first. It could be that the concept of fascism if good, while the implementation has been done wrong. Just like Islam under the countless self-proclaimed caliphs. 

Let us treat fascist ideas as innocent or neutral until proven guilty. 

Once we finish this exercise, we will be more informed and have more authority to talk about what fascism is. 

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6 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

It's (almost) time for prayer here.

Maybe we should all go to the Quran and see what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has to say about "university values" & whether or not enabling degeneracy is compatible with Islam.

I mean, we're supposed to enjoin good & forbid wrong, right?

thanks for the reminder! It is also time for prayer here, and I shall go now and pray. Please remember praying for me and I'll pray for you. Let us also pray that Allah teaches us everything we need to know to be closer to Him than any other creature has ever been or will ever be. Thanks!

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4 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

we must give things the benefit of the doubt first. It could be that the concept of fascism if good, while the implementation has been done wrong. Just like Islam under the countless self-proclaimed caliphs. 

Let us treat fascist ideas as innocent or neutral until proven guilty. 

Once we finish this exercise, we will be more informed and have more authority to talk about what fascism is. 

The thing that gets me is that the lisping vegan blackshirts (antifa) are all freaked out about "fAsCisM" yet they didn't seem to care during the eight years that Barack Insane O-bomb-a(child) was president, and are acting like President Trump is somehow the beginning of actual fascism in America, and I'm actually surprised by this, because fascism, at least Italian fascism, was the merging of the corporate with the state. The corporate merged with the state in America starting with Ronald Reagan in 1980 and has been ever so gradually tightening the noose and making life increasingly harder for the have-nots & working class people since that time.

Why do they think that Reagan had the arms race of his first term? Because the corporate interests that he was beholden to were the weapons manufacturers, and they had figured out that all you had to do to get massive amount of money out of the state was to put "your guy" in office. Every president since then has been the same story, just look at who did really well during the previous administrations and you can see who was the driving force behind each president. Clinton I'm not sure of who his backers were (finance & credit?), but W was big oil & finance, Obama was big tech, academics, and Hollyweird. Hillary was supposed to be a continuation of that, to the point that the industries that were backing her invested literally billions into getting her elected... and got absolutely zero return on their investment; which is why Hollyweird, academics, and big tech (all with the backing of George Soros) are all colluding to try and undermine President Trump at every opportunity.

They were rejected by the American people who were sick of the twenty year "war" in the Middle East, so they trotted out the label of "fascist" to draw attention away from what they themselves really are: actual state/corporate fascists by the purest definition of the term.

So by all means, ally yourselves with upper middle class (mostly) white kids who screech about fascism at every opportunity, but don't come crying to me when they groom your children to be transexuals and convince your sisters/daughters/female family members that it's "ok to do pornography", because they will and they are doing it right now.

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22 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

The thing that gets me is that the lisping vegan blackshirts (antifa) are all freaked out about "fAsCisM" yet they didn't seem to care during the eight years that Barack Insane O-bomb-a(child) was president, and are acting like President Trump is somehow the beginning of actual fascism in America, and I'm actually surprised by this, because fascism, at least Italian fascism, was the merging of the corporate with the state. The corporate merged with the state in America starting with Ronald Reagan in 1980 and has been ever so gradually tightening the noose and making life increasingly harder for the have-nots & working class people since that time.

Why do they think that Reagan had the arms race of his first term? Because the corporate interests that he was beholden to were the weapons manufacturers, and they had figured out that all you had to do to get massive amount of money out of the state was to put "your guy" in office. Every president since then has been the same story, just look at who did really well during the previous administrations and you can see who was the driving force behind each president. Clinton I'm not sure of who his backers were (finance & credit?), but W was big oil & finance, Obama was big tech, academics, and Hollyweird. Hillary was supposed to be a continuation of that, to the point that the industries that were backing her invested literally billions into getting her elected... and got absolutely zero return on their investment; which is why Hollyweird, academics, and big tech (all with the backing of George Soros) are all colluding to try and undermine President Trump at every opportunity.

They were rejected by the American people who were sick of the twenty year "war" in the Middle East, so they trotted out the label of "fascist" to draw attention away from what they themselves really are: actual state/corporate fascists by the purest definition of the term.

So by all means, ally yourselves with upper middle class (mostly) white kids who screech about fascism at every opportunity, but don't come crying to me when they groom your children to be transexuals and convince your sisters/daughters/female family members that it's "ok to do pornography", because they will and they are doing it right now.

I didn't know about the Italian Fascism being a merger of state into private hands. Very interesting. The antifa kids don't really know what they are representing, as I'm sure 99.9% of them don't even know what fascism is. Let's face it, the word Fascism isn't even part of our lives. Does anyone here have any experience with a person who calls themselves fascist?

Anyway, in the words of Adam Green on this Know More News YouTube channel, he said this is a "Dystopian nightmare turned into the Purge". I just saw a video again that he did yesterday, and it is more than sad to see the anarchy and violence happening. There are some scenes that even remind of of zombie movies! There is zero honor. Like a bunch of monkeys attacking one person from the back by first throwing stones or sucker punching, then kicking him on the street. And people keep saying "white" now. The racism against whites has gone up to say the least, and things will never be the same again. I think that this event has created MORE racial tension, and not less.

I really don't know where the Trump speeches and actions are. People are kind of quiet, and letting it happen it seems. I am still under shock from the endless clips of cowardly violence that is happening. Unbelievable! Well, for the first time I feel sorry for America.

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Trump has a chance to make things right, but how? I don't know. The Americans are on average so uneducated and gullible, that they are probably the easiest people on earth to fool. They are so brainwashed with violence from TV, and so frustrated in general, that I don't see how anybody can stop this in the right way, other than some serious truth spread to the masses, which I don't know how current politicians could do it without getting killed before they even finish the sentence. Sad! 

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7 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

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The reverse design, a fasces juxtaposed with an olive branch, was intended to symbolize America's readiness for war, combined with its desire for peace. Although the fasces was later officially adopted by Benito Mussolini and his National Fascist Party, the symbol was also common in American iconography and has generally avoided any stigma associated with its usage in wartime Italy.[15]

That US dime is obsolete now, replaced by new coins. All these "fasces" images posted above have nothing to do with the OP, the news that Antifa has been designated a terrorist organization. This is all off-topic. 

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The main reason I hate antifa is because they are atheists who think that they have a right to use violence to tell me how to live, talk, think, and so on.

They don't & I will defy them until the day I die with my chest puffed out and a smirk on my face.

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7 hours ago, ShiaChat Mod said:

The reverse design, a fasces juxtaposed with an olive branch, was intended to symbolize America's readiness for war, combined with its desire for peace. Although the fasces was later officially adopted by Benito Mussolini and his National Fascist Party, the symbol was also common in American iconography and has generally avoided any stigma associated with its usage in wartime Italy.[15]

That US dime is obsolete now, replaced by new coins. All these "fasces" images posted above have nothing to do with the OP, the news that Antifa has been designated a terrorist organization. This is all off-topic. 

I don't see it as off-topic as the people who make a big deal about fascism don't specify what kind of fascism they are targeting. That is because they probably lack any kind of education on the word fascism to start with. This is exactly like putting Islam under the Umbrella of one person - such as an Ummayyid ruler for instance - and saying that it's off-topic to discuss the true history of Islam beyond that.

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5 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

The main reason I hate antifa is because they are atheists who think that they have a right to use violence to tell me how to live, talk, think, and so on.

They don't & I will defy them until the day I die with my chest puffed out and a smirk on my face.

more and more people are saying this is an attempt by the NWO proponents to bring on a communist ( luciferian ) world government. 

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13 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

more and more people are saying this is an attempt by the NWO proponents to bring on a communist ( luciferian ) world government. 

NWO is meant to band people together to make sure Islam is not in charge. 

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7 minutes ago, ShiaChat Mod said:

NWO is meant to band people together to make sure Islam is not in charge. 

Well the elite satanics use this knowledge and wisdom to band together for extra strength, while making sure all the other people are socially distanced and not close to their families, and living in dystopian division.

Allah orders Muslims to stop fighting so that we don't get weakend, but what do we do? Disobey as usual and then people wonder why the satanics are so successful. Nothing is unfair and they deserve it. 

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2 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

Allah orders Muslims to stop fighting so that we don't get weakend, but what do we do? 

We show other people that Muslims have their words, actions, deeds and intentions “in the way of Allah” (fi sabilillah). Pray a lot, especially for the reappearance of the 12th Imam, may Allah hasten his appearance.

The Radiance of the Secrets of Prayer   Get PDF

https://www.al-islam.org/radiance-secrets-prayer-muhsin-qaraati

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Interesting that Muslims can digest both "left wing" and "right wing" content, and find personal ideological validation in both of them. 

Most of the points raised here are straight from YouTube pundits or mass media.

@Abdul-Hadi's points especially sound like an episode of Ben Shapiro or a segment on Fox News. 

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On 6/5/2020 at 5:53 PM, Brother Hassan said:

@Abdul-Hadi's points especially sound like an episode of Ben Shapiro or a segment on Fox News. 

I am a conservative when it comes to cultural & social issues, yes. I'm not going to deny that because I am not ashamed of it.

Economics? I'm a working class moderate. I believe that work is good and validating for people in that it gives you purpose in life, keeps you busy, and is insanely rewarding when you drive by a job you did and point it out to your friends or family that "See that? I BUILT THAT!" :grin:. However, I think that a mixed market is going to have to be the way that America and the Western world goes in the future.

On 6/4/2020 at 1:48 PM, Abdul-Hadi said:

The corporate merged with the state in America starting with Ronald Reagan in 1980 and has been ever so gradually tightening the noose and making life increasingly harder for the have-nots & working class people since that time.

I don't think that Ben Shapiro or Fox News would ever make the above statement, it goes against conservative correctness.

That's just the tip of that there iceboig, my brother.

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3 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:


I am a conservative when it comes to cultural & social issues, yes. I'm not going to deny that because I am not ashamed of it.

Economics? I'm a working class moderate. I believe that work is good and validating for people in that it gives you purpose in life, keeps you busy, and is insanely rewarding when you drive by a job you did and point it out to your friends or family that "See that? I BUILT THAT!" :grin:. However, I think that a mixed market is going to have to be the way that America and the Western world goes in the future.

Many are conservative on social issues, but without the excess alarmism and paranoia. That leads into Shapiro territory. 

"Moderate" is a useless term unless the spectrum is defined. All economies are "mixed", and always have been. There's been no pure system of anything. Individual perception of work has little bearing on overall macroeconomics. Also, some of the most important jobs of human value yield scant economic "benefit", while useless jobs like hedge fund managers make millions. 

3 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

I don't think that Ben Shapiro or Fox News would ever make the above statement, it goes against conservative correctness.

That's just the tip of that there iceboig, my brother.

I didn't say you were a complete mirror of them. Only in some sentiments. 

Also, some populist members of the right may agree with your statement as an argument against crony capitalism, which they see as corrupting their pure market beliefs.  

Edited by Brother Hassan

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On 6/4/2020 at 3:40 PM, Allah Seeker said:

I didn't know about the Italian Fascism being a merger of state into private hands.

That's literally what everyone learns on Day 1 in school. Why are you debating this topic when you don't know the basics?

On 6/4/2020 at 1:27 PM, Allah Seeker said:

Let us treat fascist ideas as innocent or neutral until proven guilty. 

Once we finish this exercise, we will be more informed and have more authority to talk about what fascism is. 

The 20th century settled this question already. There's not much more to discuss. Sorry you're late to the party. 

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On 6/5/2020 at 5:04 PM, ShiaChat Mod said:

NWO is meant to band people together to make sure Islam is not in charge. 

Salam they are against true Islsm that fights with injustice  & Supports truth but they accept any version of Islam that helps them by not fighting  with injustice such as being neutral against injustice  or helping of spreading  it & they welcome  any corrupted version of Islam from both Shias & Sunnis .

On 6/5/2020 at 5:53 PM, Brother Hassan said:

Interesting that Muslims can digest both "left wing" and "right wing" content, and find personal ideological validation in both of them. 

Most of the points raised here are straight from YouTube pundits or mass media.

@Abdul-Hadi's points especially sound like an episode of Ben Shapiro or a segment on Fox News. 

Salam because both of them are mixtures of truth & falsehood that everyone  chooses a side as Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said " at first you must know truth then compare people with it " & unfortunately we don't  have direct access to Imam Mahdi (aj) that he  will separate truth from falsehood but even now  we are like people around  Imam Ali (عليه السلام) that knew truth is always with him but we fool again with falsehood that mixed with truth  so we must try to educate  ourselves & make ourselves ready for reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) but we must not isolate ourselves from world but we must not be fooled by toys of any party like Antifa & Fascism & etc.

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@hasanhh

It's easier to vilify whole groups rather than use one's intellect to decipher the good from the bad.

Edited by Moalfas
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@hasanhh

Separating the good from the bad requires energy, time and sound judgement. Wholesale vilification is much easier. 

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On 6/3/2020 at 12:58 AM, Moalfas said:

Whatever happened to not painting everyone with the same brush?

If as a Muslim, you don't like being labelled ISIS, then don't label everyone who identifies as Antifa as some violent criminal. 

 

2 hours ago, hasanhh said:
On 6/3/2020 at 12:58 AM, Moalfas said:

Whatever happened to not painting everyone with the same brush?

The pundits ran out of brushes.

 

19 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

@hasanhh

It's easier to vilify whole groups rather than use one's intellect to decipher the good from the bad.

 

10 minutes ago, Moalfas said:

@hasanhh

Separating the good from the bad requires energy, time and sound judgement. Wholesale vilification is much easier. 

@hasanhh 

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3 hours ago, hasanhh said:

@Moalfas  What am l supposedly 'villifying.'

I was rather referring to the ones who generalise and paint whole groups with the same brush, not you. 

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On 6/12/2020 at 10:32 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

That guy had a pump in his ear to make fake blood come out, the entire thing was a complete set up so that the media could get their "cops r bad" footage.

Antifa is a major problem, but they'll all be in prison soon insha'allah

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