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23 minutes ago, notme said:

Nazis and communists are not opposites, any more than apples and soybeans are opposites. Nationalism and authoritarianism can exist within a socialist or communist economy - look at China, or the former USSR.

I'm opposed to nationalism, as it is contrary to Islam. I'm opposed to authoritarianism because power always corrupts fallible humans. Those are the two elements that define fascist regimes, no matter the etymology of the word. (If what you've said is factual - I took it as true without verification, but do not see the relevance.)

Look, anything with -ism in the end is part of a conspiracy. That's my opinion. 

I am just saying that communists are more dangerous than nazis if we look at numbers and figures of deaths and atrocities committed. So sucker-punching someone because of their beliefs is never right. By the way, did you hear about the latest thing going around the net after "The greatest story never told" which is that Hitler was a communist zionist? They are all the same thing to me.

An author and researcher called Jon Bjerknes wrote two books that are really making waves. 

Adolf Hitler: Bolshevik and Zionist Volume I Communism

Adolf Hitler: Bolshevik and Zionist Volume II Zionism

I know that you don't have much time to watch videos, but if you do, you might want to see these two videos where the author is interviewed, and where the author has a heated debate with the author and producer of "The greatest story never told", that is a documentary which really made a lot of popularity for Hitler quite recently:

WAS ADOLF HITLER A ZIONIST STOOGE?

BLOODSPORTS DEBATE! CHRISTOPHER JON BJERKNES VS. DENNIS WISE | THE TRUTH ABOUT HITLER?

Also, I would like to say that not all Nazis of the past and present are bad. Some of them are just misguided or born into such families and environments, while their hearts are clear. This is the same thing as saying that not all Sunis, or Christians are bad. 

I'm no expert in this field, so I will add an Allahu Aaalam in the end. Still haven't made up my mind 100%, but I do know first hand that socialism and communism is super-evil, as they stole everything from my families and destroyed the countries my families are from.

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22 minutes ago, notme said:

Edit: just to clarify, @Allah Seeker are you claiming that fascism is good?

Fascism is an ancient concept and term that does not imply quality. It simply means sticking together, and to me Islam encourages this. At the same time it is an integral Roman concept, and the Quran talks favorably about Romans in the beginning of Surat Rum.

For me you need to be specific when using terms. I think what you mean is Italian "fascism" from the early 1900's, lead by Mussolini. I am not informed enough at the moment about the background of this, but I do know how he and his wife were treated after their conquest in an unacceptable way. I am pretty sure that Mussolini was more civilized than those who handled him and his wife in the end after their execution. (by the way the daughter or grand daughter of Mussolini is active in Politics and quite respected in Italy)

As it is a fact that victors write the history of their enemies, we would have to really research hard to find out the point of view of this government that tried to re-vitalize the Roman Empire. Currently I don't feel confident enough to make a judgment. But hopefully soon I can talk better about it. However, I won't simply parrot what we are told to say and believe by the mainstream media and agendas. To judge best one must see and master both sides of the story, to be fair and just!

Here, some more fasces in America, which leads us to believe that US government is surely following principles of fascism (we already had George Washington and Abraham Lincoln above):

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And here with Hitler and Mussolini who killed way less people than the victors of WW2:

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By the way, the fasces can be found in countless countries of the world, including depictions of the socialist governments of the middle east, who have the same eagle and fasces as their logos.

If anybody can find any inaccuracies in what information I share, please let me know. Thank you!

 

 

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4 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Do you know a lot of the people doing these are right-wingers? The FBI released a report stating this. Antifa is a not an organized group, it's made up of diff people, don't paint them all with such a broad brush. 

Yet people buy into their narratives about how everyone part of antifa is a violent thug?

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that for even half of a second. Especially not when it's coming from the FBI, but go ahead and link me to the report because I'm curious to see how the FBI is trying to spin this as coming from "right-wingers".

The left sucks. Leftist ideology sucks. They are anti-family, anti-religion, anti-male, anti-child, anti-heterosexual, and anti-God; yet they think that Islam is their ally & it isn't. Islam has been around for far longer than Karl "Skid" Marx and the left's idea that somehow they will be able to change Islam into being some pro-degeneracy, pro-drugs, pro-pornography, anti-family, anti-male, "feminist" religion is laughable at best and outright nauseating at worst.

These are people whose entire worldview revolves around being paid by the govt to sit at home rotting their brains on social media as an "activist" and having their sick, alternative lifestyles validated by literally everyone at the barrel of a gun & I promise you that I am already doing everything I can to make sure that they fail.

If you are a Muslim, the left is not your friend. They do not share your values. They see you as a pawn that they can manipulate into doing their bidding because you are not a human being to them unless you "work" as a professional activist, academic in their malarkey _____-studies fields, or are in entertainment/media. They don't care about you at all & you'll figure that out real soon, brother when all is revealed.

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3 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

By the way, the fasces can be found in countless countries of the world, including depictions of the socialist governments of the middle east, who have the same eagle and fasces as their logos.

Most of the people trying to claim that there is some "OMG! Fascist!" element that has magically appeared out of the depths of history since November 9th 2016 are painfully ignorant & are being manipulated into performing as useful idiots for the authoritarian anti-family, anti-God, anti-child, anti-male, pro-degeneracy left.

Italian fascism was the merger of the corporate and the state, which took place in America roundabout 1980 (the stage was set for it on Nov 23 1963 in Dallas, Texas when the CIA blew President Kennedy's brains out in broad daylight).

The merge of the corporate and the state in America has been going on incrementally for 40 years now, but intelligent (sarcasm) children born in 2002 are living with the idea that this is some new thing that could have been averted if only Queen Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election.

It makes me laugh, then I cry because I realize that this the the generation coming after mine.

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20 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

If you are a Muslim, the left is not your friend. They do not share your values. They see you as a pawn that they can manipulate into doing their bidding because you are not a human being to them unless you "work" as a professional activist, academic in their malarkey _____-studies fields, or are in entertainment/media. They don't care about you at all & you'll figure that out real soon, brother when all is revealed.

The left is the only one calling for the bombs you so despise being dropped on the ME to be stopped. Go ally with the right while they profess their love for conservative values, loathe refugees, call for bombing the ME more, call for supporting Israel and so on and so forth.

21 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

The left sucks. Leftist ideology sucks. They are anti-family, anti-religion, anti-male, anti-child, anti-heterosexual, and anti-God; yet they think that Islam is their ally & it isn't. Islam has been around for far longer than Karl "Skid" Marx and the left's idea that somehow they will be able to change Islam into being some pro-degeneracy, pro-drugs, pro-pornography, anti-family, anti-male, "feminist" religion is laughable at best and outright nauseating at worst.

I know people on the left, none of them care about what my religion tells me, all they want is for me to not interfere with their rights to do what they want. I have no problems with that, as opposed to the right, which hates muslims and supports a president that says we should bomb families of terrorists, and says why does Islam Hate Us?

23 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

These are people whose entire worldview revolves around being paid by the govt to sit at home rotting their brains on social media as an "activist" and having their sick, alternative lifestyles validated by literally everyone at the barrel of a gun & I promise you that I am already doing everything I can to make sure that they fail.

Oh, hang on, most recipients of welfare are white women, most of whom voted for Trump. Perhaps you should do your research, rather than allowing rightwing, fox news media to brainwash you into thinking this way.

25 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that for even half of a second. Especially not when it's coming from the FBI, but go ahead and link me to the report because I'm curious to see how the FBI is trying to spin this as coming from "right-wingers".

Oh, so now that I can show evidence you now reject the evidence because it interferes with your preconceived world view not rooted in any facts or evidence? https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/

 

 

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You're involved with antifa, aren't you?

You don't have to admit it, but the tone that's coming across in what you write suggests to me that you care more about the disgusting "values" of a movement that seeks to destroy the traditional family and religion than you care about what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has commanded.

I'll say it again: the left is not your friend. The right may not be your friend either, but good thing that there is more out there than the stupid left v right dichotomy.

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5 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

You're involved with antifa, aren't you?

I'm not involved with antifa, but it's important to separate looters from protesters and you're throwing them all into one. Most people involved in the protests are not looting and many of them are part of antifa.

8 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

You don't have to admit it, but the tone that's coming across in what you write suggests to me that you care more about the disgusting "values" of a movement that seeks to destroy the traditional family and religion than you care about what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has commanded.

How do they want to destroy family values? They are pro-choice, and?  It sounds to me like your solution for muslims in the west rather than getting involved in politics to change things is to sit at home, complain that the right and left sucks and just cry about it in our mosques. We have to recognize we're a minority in the west and need to ally with a group that allows us to practice our religion freely. I don't feel any pressure from them to not practice my religion, I don't feel any pressure from them to ask my wife to abort. That's the point of choice, you get to choose what to take and what to leave. In what way  does the left impede on your ability to practice your faith? They force you to look at gay parades? Turn off the tv or don't attend them. 

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My socialist and communist and other "leftist" friends have never tried to stop me from practicing any aspect of my religion, and have even gone out of their way to make it easier for me to practice in their spaces. 

I can't say the same of my conservative family members, who insult hijab and threaten "jokingly" to sneak pork into snacks that they offer my children, and who consider Muslims to all be "terrorists". (Except possibly me and my family, who are simply going through a late rebellious phase.)

I've better maintained my integrity allying with people who respect my disagreement on a few important matters than with people who want me dead and have no respect for my views. If you can only associate with people who agree with you 100% on everything, you might be a narcissist. And you might be very lonely.

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59 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

Most of the people trying to claim that there is some "OMG! Fascist!" element that has magically appeared out of the depths of history since November 9th 2016 are painfully ignorant & are being manipulated into performing as useful idiots for the authoritarian anti-family, anti-God, anti-child, anti-male, pro-degeneracy left.

Italian fascism was the merger of the corporate and the state, which took place in America roundabout 1980 (the stage was set for it on Nov 23 1963 in Dallas, Texas when the CIA blew President Kennedy's brains out in broad daylight).

The merge of the corporate and the state in America has been going on incrementally for 40 years now, but intelligent (sarcasm) children born in 2002 are living with the idea that this is some new thing that could have been averted if only Queen Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election.

It makes me laugh, then I cry because I realize that this the the generation coming after mine.

Those are trigger words that cause pre-programmed reactions in people who don't actually know what they are talking about. You can tell them that Satanics run their countries, and that wont tick them off, because it isn't part of their emotional cues. The words "Fascist", "Nazi", "Anti-semitic", "Conspiracy theorist ", are just a few that will bring out the worst in people who don't even know the history of those terms and ideologies. They think that their rejection or support of certain key words is their own opinion, but they aren't.

I feel that there is an attempt to divide America into two opposite poles that can be used to wage another civil war in the benefit of the world satanic elite. As we already agreed, both the "right" and "left" in the western deceptive political world are two wings of the same bird. Both are zionists, and if their leaders take over, the same policies apply. But what we do know from reading the communist Manifesto of human enslavement, that the direction pretty much all governments are taking are towards a communist model. Less freedoms, less ownerships, more dependency on the state, less power to godly religious institutions, etc. 

But personally, if I had to chose i would chose the republicans, because they are comprised of many religious people who are in line with much of Islamic values, while the democrats are zionists too, but without any kind of Christian base. Definitely I prefer Trump over Hillary. Lesser of two evils I think. But that is debatable with actual facts such as statistics of how many people were killed under democrats and republicans over time.

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3 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

separate looters from protesters and you're throwing them all into one

No, I am not. Protesting is fine and I encourage it, I just want people to do like Dr. MLK Jr did: non violently and without destroying the property of their neighbors & community.

 

 

3 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

Most people involved in the protests are not looting and many of them are part of antifa.

Looters & rioters =/= protestors. I managed to infiltrate an antifa group in my state two years ago. I can assure you that their motive is violent revolution to completely "flip the table" and destroy everything good, honest, and clean about the society (what is left anyway). They do not want people owning businesses, they don't want people to be able to express themselves if their opinions run counter to whatever they were taught by whatever educated-stupid activist professor that taught their Lesbian Dance Therapy course & they will not hesitate to use violence to make that happen.

When Muslims begin to take a stand against the degenerate alternative lifestyles of the left, rest assured that majority-white, upper middle class antifa will be right there hitting Muslims with bike locks.

 

 

3 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

How do they want to destroy family values?

Let's see: they're against religion & want it outlawed, they are pro-pornography, pro-homosexuality, pro-"polyamory" (nothing to do with love or marriage, just a bowdlerized term for "have sex with as many people as possible"), they are openly pro-abortion ("pro-choice" is a misnomer, as they could choose to keep their legs closed or choose to use birth control and not get pregnant), they openly condescend to black people and latinos & then claim to be "AnTi-RaYcIs", they absolutely hate heterosexual men, whites (despite most of them being white), and married couples (unless they are sodomites), are currently trying to normalize pedophilia as a "legitimate sexual orientation" (the only legitimate sexual orientation is heterosexual, which is why Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) designed the human reproductive system was designed as it was, sorry not sorry). almost none  of them have jobs or even want to get one, they are pro-drug use, should I keep going?

Oh, and many of them are turning to paganism & satanism now as well. I'm not going to "ally" with people like that and I'm not sorry about it.

3 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

We have to recognize we're a minority in the west and need to ally with a group that allows us to practice our religion freely.

No, we don't. We don't have to ally with anyone, let alone people who stand for the very non-values and sins that Islam is against.

I feel like conservatives would be better "allies" if they would actually listen to Muslims and what we are about, but that also depends on them decoupling themselves from Israel, which they won't do because of the "anti-Israel=white supremacist" trope & they're terrified of looking like white supremacists. Of course it doesn't help when the "left" is labeling anyone who isn't among the far-left as a "white supremacist" because they don't agree on the definition of white supremacy that normal people use and changed it sometime during the O-bomb-a(child) administration.

 

3 hours ago, Mohamed1993 said:

In what way  does the left impede on your ability to practice your faith?

They're the ones who are demanding that religion be outlawed unless it begins validating degeneracy & alternative lifestyles, that houses of worship remain closed using C19 as an excuse and I'm not sorry about the fact that anyone who seeks to get in the way of me & practicing my faith is not my friend.

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28 minutes ago, notme said:

My socialist and communist and other "leftist" friends have never tried to stop me from practicing any aspect of my religion, and have even gone out of their way to make it easier for me to practice in their spaces. 

I can't say the same of my conservative family members, who insult hijab and threaten "jokingly" to sneak pork into snacks that they offer my children, and who consider Muslims to all be "terrorists". (Except possibly me and my family, who are simply going through a late rebellious phase.)

I've better maintained my integrity allying with people who respect my disagreement on a few important matters than with people who want me dead and have no respect for my views. If you can only associate with people who agree with you 100% on everything, you might be a narcissist. And you might be very lonely.

I LOVE some republican family friends of mine, who aren't the most intelligent people on earth, but their intentions are nothing but serving God, whom they think is Jesus. We understand each other and have deep respect for each other. Even though we have difference in religious views, we share the exact same principles in terms of what is good and bad conduct, and we are very soft in our hearts towards each other.

They have big hope in Trump to save the world from evil and help bring back the emergence of Jesus. 

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5 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

I LOVE some republican family friends of mine, who aren't the most intelligent people on earth, but their intentions are nothing but serving God, whom they think is Jesus. We understand each other and have deep respect for each other. Even though we have difference in religious views, we share the exact same principles in terms of what is good and bad conduct, and we are very soft in our hearts towards each other.

They have big hope in Trump to save the world from evil and help bring back the emergence of Jesus. 

That's nice. 

I also love my hateful family members, but their hatred makes me sad and frustrated. 

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3 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

I LOVE some republican family friends of mine, who aren't the most intelligent people on earth, but their intentions are nothing by serving God, whom they think is Jesus. We understand each other and have deep respect for each other. Even though we have difference in religious views, we share the exact same principles in terms of what is good and bad conduct, and we are very soft in our hearts towards each other.

What's really surprising to me is how almost all of the conservatives and republicans I know were the bigger cheerleaders for my accepting Islam because "Muslims are people with good values. More Christians should be like them".

The leftists I know? Well they no longer talk to me now that I am a Muslim because I "sold out to religion & oppression".

Funny how that works huh? It's almost as if a lot of people get their opinions directly from media narratives...

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21 minutes ago, notme said:

That's nice. 

I also love my hateful family members, but their hatred makes me sad and frustrated. 

actually they are not hateful at all. They are very loving and principled people.

I actually witnessed several antifa protests first hand in Europe, and they truly are hateful and violent. They always wear black like satanics, with hoodies, and don't miss a chance to sabotage or damage anything they can. But thankfully the police always had good control over that violent bunch of hateful hooligans. 

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10 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

Funny how that works huh? It's almost as if a lot of people get their opinions directly from media narratives...

If you assume that everyone's experiences are the same as yours, you might be a narcissist. 

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11 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

What's really surprising to me is how almost all of the conservatives and republicans I know were the bigger cheerleaders for my accepting Islam because "Muslims are people with good values. More Christians should be like them".

The leftists I know? Well they no longer talk to me now that I am a Muslim because I "sold out to religion & oppression".

Funny how that works huh? It's almost as if a lot of people get their opinions directly from media narratives...

Yes my republican family friends keep saying that I respect Jesus and if we ignore interpretations of Bible and Quran, they have identical morals to mine as a religious Muslim. There is actually no difference whatsoever in how we think or what we want.

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3 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

They always wear black like satanics, with hoodies, and don't miss a chance to sabotage or damage anything they can.

A lot of them actually are satanists/"pagans" now and will admit to it.

Again, I want literally nothing to do with people like that.

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Just now, notme said:

You know my relatives! How? 

ah sorry I thought you misunderstood me and that my family friends are hateful. Ah, yes I have many hateful close relatives. And honestly that is my biggest challenge in life. I don't think I can ever get over it. I have something like a Cane and Abel, or Joseph and his brothers situation going on. At the same time I also have an evil uncle, and a super evil step dad. The most challenging and saddening thing in life is to have hateful relatives! I agree

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33 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

A lot of them actually are satanists/"pagans" now and will admit to it.

Again, I want literally nothing to do with people like that.

From what I've seen on the streets of Europe is that most antifa people are students with innocent looking faces if you can get a glimpse, but always up to no good. (Although you will find some grown-ups every now and then) They always are looking for trouble and sabotage. Then the police usually round those usually very wimpy looking people together and keep them in control.

Often times you would have the other right-wing protesters (equivalent to republicans in the US) standing nearby in counter protests. Right-wing people usually look actually very strong, fit, grown-up, serious and well-composed. They are disciplined and organized as well as very well armed back at their homes. You find them standing there quietly looking on with pit bulls and having beautiful women as girlfriends or wives by their sides at times. In terms of behavior and intelligence I feel that the right wing in Europe is far beyond the always angry and immature puberty crowd of bored and inexperienced student kids of the antifa. Most of those kids have no experience in real life, and usually aren't married or family oriented. 

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3 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

The Christian Americans have been itching for a war I feel since many years they will never accept the Bill Gates mark of the beast, and they won't accept being disarmed. The dystopian model doesn't allow for armed people. I am curious what will happen. I hope no blood bath or war between the government and the last people of any form of honor in that continent.

Make no mistake, I'm not going to be taking the Bill Gates mark of the beast either & I don't care if they attempt to starve me or kill me for not taking it; but I am also curious as to what is going to happen. I can easily see a hot civil war between the more fundamentalist Christians and the left who desperately want to live in an authoritarian state (so long as they are the ones in power). I don't see that war lasting more than a week or so, because the people who align with the left in America are usually social failures and fundamentally weak people; which is why they want the govt to provide everything to them to begin with.

Do I think that Trump has some sort of an ace up his sleeve? Yes. The left has been trying to get him on everything they possibly can since before he even took the oath of office and they've failed miserably every. single. time. What that ace is, is anyone's guess and I'm not going to try and pretend like I know.

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22 minutes ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

Make no mistake, I'm not going to be taking the Bill Gates mark of the beast either & I don't care if they attempt to starve me or kill me for not taking it; but I am also curious as to what is going to happen. I can easily see a hot civil war between the more fundamentalist Christians and the left who desperately want to live in an authoritarian state (so long as they are the ones in power). I don't see that war lasting more than a week or so, because the people who align with the left in America are usually social failures and fundamentally weak people; which is why they want the govt to provide everything to them to begin with.

Do I think that Trump has some sort of an ace up his sleeve? Yes. The left has been trying to get him on everything they possibly can since before he even took the oath of office and they've failed miserably every. single. time. What that ace is, is anyone's guess and I'm not going to try and pretend like I know.

I hope you are right. Trump really confuses me. He sometimes does things that make me have momentary respect for him, which I'm not accustomed to with US presidents that I've witnessed in my life.

In comparison to other presidents he hasn't started any new major wars, and the way he reacted to the Iranians bombing his drone was honorable. He said that he didn't want to kill Iranians in retaliation, because no Americans were killed. This means that Trump actually respects the lives of those brown people as much as the Americans? That's new! Then he didn't escalate after the retaliation for killing the Colonel Sulaimani, which the Iranian government declared as appropriate revenge. That was also very unusual for usually blood thirsty American presidents.

Then, most recently he severed ties with the WHO, which really surprised me as well. Because the WHO is basically the bill Gates playground. Anyway, I dreamt of Trump several times in the past few years, and each time he was a good guy. I don't take those dreams very seriously, but I do feel that he's not the typical baby eater who wants to destroy the world for the sake of Satan. He probably loves his family and wants to see his grand children grow up in a normal and healthy environment, and not a nuclear wasteland. 

Many American Christians interpret the US as being the new Babylon and that it is prophesied that it will burn and be destroyed. Honestly I hope this won't happen. My biggest dream for the US would be a reversal of damages done to the native Americans. Once the ties between Christian (and all other) Americans and the natives become respectful and harmonious, then that would probably heal old wounds that have been festering and ignored over the years. Many of those ancient tribes are great fighters too by the way. And they love family and freedom too. They are also very in touch with the Creator, and most of them are probably Christian by now.

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3 hours ago, ShiaChat Mod said:

Some posts were removed for profanity. You guys should know better. Warnings can be issued or you can be on mod preview if you cannot behave yourself. 

Apologies if it was me, this is my last post in this thread. There are better things to talk about than American politics.

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18 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

Looters & rioters =/= protestors. I managed to infiltrate an antifa group in my state two years ago. I can assure you that their motive is violent revolution to completely "flip the table" and destroy everything good, honest, and clean about the society (what is left anyway). They do not want people owning businesses, they don't want people to be able to express themselves if their opinions run counter to whatever they were taught by whatever educated-stupid activist professor that taught their Lesbian Dance Therapy course & they will not hesitate to use violence to make that happen.

Except there's no evidence that any of this looting is coming from antifa, apart from statements by republicans, so Idk how you can make that claim. I'm not sure what you mean by you infiltrated an antifa group, antifa literally means anti-fascist, there's no organized leadership the way you think of any group. It's a movement, some may ascribe to it and condone violence but it doesn't mean the entire movement endorses it. A lot of people who are part of the movement are liberals, they don't want to destroy private property. 

18 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

When Muslims begin to take a stand against the degenerate alternative lifestyles of the left, rest assured that majority-white, upper middle class antifa will be right there hitting Muslims with bike locks.

Do you think it's not degenerate to support a pathetic president who makes derogatory remarks about everyone you can think of, drapes himself in the flag and professes to love America? I think that's pretty degenerate.

18 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

No, we don't. We don't have to ally with anyone, let alone people who stand for the very non-values and sins that Islam is against.

So tell me what values is the left against? Are they impeding on your ability to practice? All you seem to be saying is that many of them live lifestyles you don;t endorse, ok maybe they do, but they are not coming into your mosques and telling you not to pray are they? They aren't coming to you and tell you you can't have a mosque there are they? It sounds to me like you want to find people who live by all the values you've been raised with, goodluck finding anyone that lives upto those values except those who come to your mosques. 

I have to watch people have multiple sexual partners vs. let's end senseless wars in the ME and save lives. The latter is much preferable. I don't have to endorse the former and can live my life fine, no one is shoving it down my throat.

18 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

I feel like conservatives would be better "allies" if they would actually listen to Muslims and what we are about, but that also depends on them decoupling themselves from Israel, which they won't do because of the "anti-Israel=white supremacist" trope & they're terrified of looking like white supremacists. Of course it doesn't help when the "left" is labeling anyone who isn't among the far-left as a "white supremacist" because they don't agree on the definition of white supremacy that normal people use and changed it sometime during the O-bomb-a(child) administration.

 

No, it has nothing to do with white supremacy, it has to do with the fact that since 9/11,they looped AQ with all muslims and thought Israel is non-muslim so let's ally with them. Also the christian fundamentalists see Israel as playing a vital role in the rapture. The idea that they ally with Israel because of the left is laughably untrue. 

18 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

They're the ones who are demanding that religion be outlawed unless it begins validating degeneracy & alternative lifestyles, that houses of worship remain closed using C19 as an excuse and I'm not sorry about the fact that anyone who seeks to get in the way of me & practicing my faith is not my friend.

Religion being outlawed? I've never heard that, it's the right that often raises issues with mosques being built, it's the right that attacks muslim mosques, remember the christchurch shooter, he had Trump as one of his inspirations, not Obama or Clinton. Houses of worship being closed are for your protection during a pandemic, you can't pray at home? Where in islam does it tell you go to mosque during a pandemic? Show me what tenet of religion that is? In any case, our centers here closed based on their own judgement, not antifa.

 

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I honestly can't conceive of a person who calls themselves Muslim supporting fascism. Fascism is absolutely impossible to align with Islamic values. If you are Muslim, you must be anti-fascist. 

 

@Allah Seeker you can't just invent your own definitions. That's not how language works. When people say the word "fascism" they mean authoritarian nationalist regimes, not bundles of sticks. 

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4 minutes ago, notme said:

I honestly can't conceive of a person who calls themselves Muslim supporting fascism. Fascism is absolutely impossible to align with Islamic values. If you are Muslim, you must be anti-fascist. 

 

@Allah Seeker you can't just invent your own definitions. That's not how language works. When people say the word "fascism" they mean authoritarian nationalist regimes, not bundles of sticks. 

Well I can definitely take look at any root word and understand meanings based on actual history of that root. The same goes for the symbolic representative of fascism, which is the fasces. 

By the way there is a term called Islamic fascism:

from the Wikipedia page:

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The earliest known use of the contiguous term Islamic Fascism dates to 1933 when Akhtar Ḥusayn Rā’ēpūrī, in an attack on Muḥammad Iqbāl, defined attempts to secure the independence of Pakistan as a form of Islamic fascism.

What do you understand as fascism exactly? Why exactly can fascism never be compatible with Islam? If you give examples and reasons, then I can tell you my opinion on those?

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6 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

What do you understand as fascism exactly? Why exactly can fascism never be compatible with Islam? If you give examples and reasons, then I can tell you my opinion on those?

 

15 minutes ago, notme said:

When people say the word "fascism" they mean authoritarian nationalist regimes, not bundles of sticks. 

 

21 hours ago, notme said:

I'm opposed to nationalism, as it is contrary to Islam. I'm opposed to authoritarianism because power always corrupts fallible humans. Those are the two elements that define fascist regimes

Again. 

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4 minutes ago, notme said:

 

 

Again. 

I don't care what you say people say. Give me evidence as to what fascism is. I can't build my opinions on hearsay.

If you want to convince anybody of something, then use rationale and logic. Tell me where are the borders and definition of Italia Fascism, which is what you are talking about right?

Maybe read this wikipedia page to learn a bit about what Italian Fascism is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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11 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

Give me evidence as to what fascism is.

Are you serious or are you just trolling? 

From dictionary.com

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fascism

[ fash-iz-uh m ]SHOW IPA

noun

(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism

SMH. 

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36 minutes ago, notme said:

Are you serious or are you just trolling? 

From dictionary.com

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism

SMH. 

Actually I wanted real evidence, that means evidence from Fascists themselves like Mussolini. Actually from a non-Muslim perspective, your definition would apply to the government of Imam al Mahdi too. 

Do you have any knowledge about Fascism from Fascist texts, or are you going to do what the majority of ignorant people do with Islam? Judge without checking out source texts? Have you ever considered building your opinion on what Mussolini said, or what Fascists say? I am sure that this definition, which is only the first sentence, was written by non-fascists.

And you ignored the fact that there are Islamic fascists!

Also I can personally probably prove to you through communist books like the Communist Manifesto, that Communism goes against Islam. And I won't need to use statements by non-communists to back up my claim. Who is trolling now?

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(I should leave it alone... nah, here goes)

Fascism to them is quite literally anything that isn't 100% in-line with American university campus "values" i.e: the fact that I find sexual degeneracy disgusting is "FaScIsM" & they would love to send out their antifa blackshirts to find and "reeducate" me. The statement "I would never date a transexual" is what they consider to be fascism. Also, the fact that I'm not going to apologize for the color of my skin (because I didn't choose it & can't change it) is also "fAsCiSm". They label things as fascism so that way they can try to justify hurting people and destroying their property.

You can find a lot of leftists and the more radical liberals openly calling for religious people and conservatives to be sent to "reeducation camps". Have their children taken away and raised by homosexuals, etc.

Unfortunately for them: people are already realizing that this cannot be allowed to continue for very much longer. Their stupid little upper middle-class revolution will be crushed brutally, and I'm going to be there laughing my head off as I watch it happen.

 

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42 minutes ago, notme said:

From dictionary.com

Let me show you how someone like me builds their beliefs.

The topic is about Italian Fascism.

Who created it? Mussolini!

What did Mussolini say? Here is a website that we can consider reliable, just for fun!

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini#Quotes

Here we have some interesting quotes, let me copy paste them:

 

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  • Religion is a species of mental disease. It has always had a pathological reaction on mankind.
    • As quoted by Mussolini in 2000 Years of Disbelief: Famous People with the Courage to Doubt by James A. Haught (1966) p. 256. From a speech he made in Lausanne, July 1904.

 

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God Does Not Exist (1904)[edit]

Benito Mussolini, God Does Not Exist. Published in 1904; Lausanne, Switzerland. Translated by George Seldes, 1935.
  • The struggle against the religious absurdity is more than ever a necessity today.
  • When we claim that "God does not exist," we mean to deny by this declaration the personal God of theology, the God worshiped in various ways and divers modes by believers the world over, that God who from nothing created the universe, from chaos matter, that God of absurd attributes who is an affront to human reason.
  • With each new discovery of chemistry, physics, biology, the anthropological sciences, of the practical application of sound principles, dogma collapses. It is a part of that old edifice of religion which crumbles and falls in ruins.
  • How can the idea of a creator be reconciled with the existence of dwarfed and atrophied organs, with anomalies and monstrosities, with the existence of pain, perpetual and universal, with the struggle and the inequalities among human beings?
  • Science is now in the process of destroying religious dogma. The dogma of the divine creation is recognized as absurd.
  • The Bible and morals called Christian are two cadavers.
  • Religious morality shows the original stigmata of authoritarianism precisely because it pretends to be the revelation of divine authority.
  • Religion is a psychic disease of the brain.
  • The history of many saints, beatified by the church, is repugnant. It shows nothing more than a profound aberration of the human spirit in search of ultra-terrestrial chimeras.
  • If today the Middle Ages are retiring into the thick shadows of convents, it is due to triumphant skepticism; and if the epidemic disease of religion no longer appears with the terrible intensity of former times, it is due to the diminution of the political power of the Church.
  • The faculty by which man is differentiated from the lower animals is his reasoning power. But the devout believer renounces reason, refuses to explain the things which surround him, the innumerable natural phenomena, because his religious faith is enough for him. The brain loses the habit of thinking; and this religious sottishness hurls mankind back into animalism.
  • "Religious man" is an abnormality and "religion" is the certain cause of epidemic diseases of the mind which require the care of alienists.

now THIS is evidence!

but what I find strange is that he loves Marx according to these quotes, which is strange, because others state that he was the enemy of Marxism. That will make me question more.

If you bring me evidence like the above, I will say .. notme actually has some evidence here that I respect.

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14 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

evidence from Fascists themselves like Mussolini.

He's dead! Geez, you just move the line whenever I cross it. Wikipedia, which is user edited and unacceptable for academic research, is acceptable to you, but dictionary dot com isn't? What next, going to demand a YouTube video edited by Hitler himself? 

It's ridiculous. 

14 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

And you ignored the fact that there are Islamic fascists!

Also I can personally probably prove to you through communist books like the Communist Manifesto, that Communism goes against Islam. And I won't need to use statements by non-communists to back up my claim. Who is trolling now?

None of that is relevant. "Islamic fascism" is like "polytheistic Islam", an oxymoron. And we aren't discussing economics so communism is irrelevant, but if you have actually read the topic you would have seen where I said 

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Right. You can support a socialist or communist economy and still be fascist. 

 

Edited by notme
Typos.

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1 minute ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

(I should leave it alone... nah, here goes)

Fascism to them is quite literally anything that isn't 100% in-line with American university campus "values" i.e: the fact that I find sexual degeneracy disgusting is "FaScIsM" & they would love to send out their antifa blackshirts to find and "reeducate" me. The statement "I would never date a transexual" is what they consider to be fascism. Also, the fact that I'm not going to apologize for the color of my skin (because I didn't choose it & can't change it) is also "fAsCiSm". They label things as fascism so that way they can try to justify hurting people and destroying their property.

You can find a lot of leftists and the more radical liberals openly calling for religious people and conservatives to be sent to "reeducation camps". Have their children taken away and raised by homosexuals, etc.

Unfortunately for them: people are already realizing that this cannot be allowed to continue for very much longer. Their stupid little upper middle-class revolution will be crushed brutally, and I'm going to be there laughing my head off as I watch it happen.

 

yes I agree. So many people have such as strong response to fascism without knowing anything about it, or having any background in its history. They don't distinguish Italian Fascism from Roman Fascist ideas that exist since millennia. They don't know that their own government is fascist

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please, anybody who talks against fascism, address this reality and ask them to remove all those fascist symbols please 

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