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:salam: it means they are caliph of Allah on earth & infallible Imam has full authority from Allah so his every action is confirmed by Allah & he is Wasilah (intermediate) to Allah that definitely considering physical parts or form for Allah even in form of Imam is shirk .

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4 hours ago, danielaguiar said:

Salam aleikum

Is sahih the hadith that says that the Imams are the eyes, ears, etc .of Allah ? If it is, how interpret it without  commit shirk ?

Walaykum as Salam, 

If you could post the hadith with its source, there’s a chance that it could be checked for its validity. Accepting that it’s authentic and the chain of narrators is without issues, we do not understand such descriptions literally but figuratively. Imams being the “eyes and ears” of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) would of mean that they lived entirely in full accordance to the religion that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bestowed upon them. Just as Imam Ali (عليه السلام) is called a “walking Quran”, doesn’t mean that he was literally a living book, but that he had such a religious knowledge and lived strictly in accordance with Islam, that he was a “walking Quran.” Orthodox Shia Muslims never ever ascribe anthropomorphic attributes to anyone literally, something that can’t be said of other people calling themselves Muslims. By the way, Shirk means the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), therefore it’s irrelevant to your first question.  

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26 minutes ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

“walking Quran”

as far as I've Heard its "Talking Qur'an" and not "walking Qur'an"

 

4 hours ago, danielaguiar said:

Salam aleikum

Is sahih the hadith that says that the Imams are the eyes, ears, etc .of Allah ? If it is, how interpret it without  commit shirk ?

the eye of Allah azwj means they see everything. we Have a narration saying

the entire universe in front of an Imam is like this (Imam (عليه السلام) pointed towards His palm)

as for the tongue of Allah azwj that means they do not say anything but what Allah azwj says 

Imam reza (عليه السلام) (8th Imam) says :

"Don't test our sayings using your faulty wisdoms. every word of our saying is from Heavenly revelation. we don't say anything by ourself, what ever conversation we take to our tounge is the conversation of Allah (azwj)

(Khutbat e rizvi p.7 taba mashhad)

 

as for the ears of Allah azwj an Imam witnesses every act of each and every Creation at the same time

if you want to know the description of an Imam (عليه السلام) you may read Hadeeth e tariq 

 

i will attach a link below 

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://hubeali.com/khutbat/Hadith-e-Tariq.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjXieT08drpAhUX9nMBHTwkDAwQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2Umoho8I5r2lWZnZjQU_97

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8 minutes ago, randomly curious said:

as far as I've Heard its "Talking Qur'an" and not "walking Qur'an"

For example, Sayyed Ammar Naskhawani throughout his 2020 Ramadan lectures calls Imam Ali (عليه السلام) the “walking Quran.”Another example, a nasheed from 2016 et al.

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5 minutes ago, OrthodoxTruth said:

For example, Sayyed Ammar Naskhawani throughout his 2020 Ramadan lectures calls Imam Ali (عليه السلام) the “walking Quran.”Another example, a nasheed from 2016 et al.

the arabic translation gives us "talking Qur'an"

Qur'an e saamit and Qur'an e naatik

saamit means the silent Qur'an and Naatik means the Talking Qur'an

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3 minutes ago, randomly curious said:

the arabic translation gives us "talking Qur'an"

Qur'an e saamit and Qur'an e naatik

saamit means the silent Qur'an and Naatik means the Talking Qur'an

I don’t know who are you trying to address brother, I just mentioned the fact that some people call Imam Ali (عليه السلام) the walking Quran, and not (only) the talking Quran, and that’s not even the subject of the questions posted above, let’s not delude the topic over semantics. 

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@Ashvazdanghe  l prefer this partial description of Hojjatallh from the OT: that he will know of Ayats before they happen.

To explain: on his first tour-of-duty, one thing the Messiah announced the raising of the dead by Allah-(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)., it happened, then he preached. This was geographically local events. Hojjatallah is told and then announces beforehand on a global scale. So, as a hypothetical example, Hojjatallah announces that the Sun will produce only blue light, then it happens and then he preaches. 

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5 hours ago, danielaguiar said:

Salam aleikum

Is sahih the hadith that says that the Imams are the eyes, ears, etc .of Allah ? If it is, how interpret it without  commit shirk ?

I am giving examples of what i understood.

If a person sincerely trying to serve Allah swrt...he is likely calles a Slave of Allah - "Abdullah".

IF he is against Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), he is enemy of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)- "Eadua allah".

If he behaves like Syaitans toward Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)  he is"Laknatullah".

If he selected by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to take care for affair of all muslims, he is "WaliyuAllah".

If he strictly follows according to rules of Allah with no deviation and invites others to strictly follow rules of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), he may be Hand of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

If he always remember Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) in all his actions and always see Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) in what he does...he likely to be "Face of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)".    When people see him, they see the glory of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) in his face.

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Wsalam  

It has allegorical meaning and should not be taken literally. This type of language is common in Arabic but can be misunderstood when translated in English, and even the Quran has similar contexts when Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) describes ‘Isa as Roohon Minho (His soul) and Kalimatoho (His word) in Surat Al-Nisa (171). It should not be understood literally as ‘Isa (عليه السلام) having a physical link to Allah. According to Ahlulbayt, the Rooh (soul) was created by Allah before mankind and Adam and ‘Isa were created from the Rooh.  

Moreover, the Face of Allah (Wajh Allah) and the Light of Allah (Noorullah) are mentioned numerous times in the Quran and similarly to the Ayah in Surat Al-Nisa describing, ‘Isa it should not be understood literally. According to Hadith, the Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام) refer to themselves as the Face of Allah, meaning they are the sole representatives of His authority and the face of Islam on this earth. And they are the Light of Allah which is their guidance where only through them one can attain salvation. 

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6 hours ago, danielaguiar said:

Salam aleikum

Is sahih the hadith that says that the Imams are the eyes, ears, etc .of Allah ? If it is, how interpret it without  commit shirk ?

Allah is beyond description and nobody can know Allah even Imams.

Except the Truth that Allah intend to be known.So what you mentioned should not be taken.

There is narsation which says Allah becomes the sight which Wali sees, hearing with which Wali heard and legs with which Wali walk's.

According to scholars this State cannot be understood except by those who have attained this State.

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1 hour ago, randomly curious said:

the eye of Allah azwj means they see everything. we Have a narration saying

the entire universe in front of an Imam is like this (Imam (عليه السلام) pointed towards His palm)

as for the tongue of Allah azwj that means they do not say anything but what Allah azwj says 

Salam also it's referring to giving ring during Salah/Namaz too needy man by Imam Ali (عليه السلام) because when prophet Muhammad (pbu) & Imams (عليه السلام) in Salah/Namaz are in presence of Allah without any barrier so they reflect will of Allah through their physical body like giving ring to poor man by Imam Ali (عليه السلام) while he was in Ruku that we know in his Salah/Namaz he was in presence  of Allah & any prophet & Imam doesn't do anything without   & will of Allah that it continues in whole of their actions & sayings in their daily life  with some barriers that in Salah/Namaz they pass these barriers .

1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

l prefer this partial description of Hojjatallh from the OT:

thank you .

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9 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

l suggest writing "Except the 99 Atributes . . ."

Allah has not only 99 attributes but innumerable.

Allah has muade Adam as locus of manifestation of Attributes of Allah, and it is not limited to Imams.

But Imams have maximally manifested attributes of Allah.

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