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Does Imam Ali give life and take death, with the permission of Allah?

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On 5/29/2020 at 4:47 AM, Guest Quran and Itrah said:

I just wanted to survey the opinions of those on Shia Chat.

Does anyone believe Imam Ali, with the permission of Allah, gives life, splits the seed, grows vegetation, forms us in our wombs, and by the permission of Allah, takes lives.

Would such a person be considered a Mushrik, and one who has committed Shirk?

Such belief has no foundation in Qur'an Sunna or teachings of Ahlulbayt

Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, "All [things] are from Allah ." So what is [the matter] with those people that they can hardly understand any statement? 4:78Say, "The angel of death will take you who has been entrusted with you. Then to your Lord you will be returned." 32:11

Do you feel it when the Angel of Death enters a house, or do you see him when he takes out life of anyone? How does he take out the life of an embryo in the womb of his mother? Does he reach it through any part of her body or the spirit responded to his call with the permission of Allah? Or does he stay with him in the mother's interior? How can he who is unable to describe a creature like this, describe Allah? Imam Ali Nahjul balagah.
 
Imam Ali was born and martyred.

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On 5/29/2020 at 6:47 AM, Guest Quran and Itrah said:

I just wanted to survey the opinions of those on Shia Chat.

Does anyone believe Imam Ali, with the permission of Allah, gives life, splits the seed, grows vegetation, forms us in our wombs, and by the permission of Allah, takes lives.

Would such a person be considered a Mushrik, and one who has committed Shirk?

That is the loophole Shia living on Fantasy Isle  live by “by the permission of Allah” and then state a hadith out of this world.

By the permission of Allah you can do what you stated, its not about Imam Ali.

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On 6/5/2020 at 10:18 AM, Allah Seeker said:

This is the kind of thread that will stop many people from joining Shia Islam. (especially Suni brothers who think Shia worship Imam Ali)

It should be short and limited to analysis of hadiths that would support such claims, if they even exist.

I think that ship has already sailed. There are countless videos online of Shia scholars saying all kinds of crazy stuff that most Sunnis could never accept.

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On 6/4/2020 at 1:57 PM, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Brother randomly has quoted hadiths with references given in books like Basair Al Darjaat which is older source than Al-Kafi. Go look for it for tehqeeq.

Plus evaluation of chain if narrations isn't only method for authentication of hadiths. If quran testifies to its Authenticity,  then hadith is correct according to usool given by imam e sadiq (عليه السلام)

How can the Qur’an testify to the authenticity of a hadith? It can only testify to its inauthenticity if the hadith clearly contradicts it. But just because a hadith doesn’t explicitly contradict the Qur’an, it doesn’t make it authentic.

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On 6/5/2020 at 6:16 AM, randomly curious said:

no Hadeeth, no tafseer, no reference, no sanad, no chain, no names of the narrators, no arabic texts literally nothing.

 

just make up any sort of opinion and attach " Imam Ali said it" eh?

 

please don't make up any opinions.

or if you quote a Hadeth, refrence is mandatory for that

thankyou.

Lol. The irony...

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On 5/29/2020 at 4:47 AM, Guest Quran and Itrah said:

Does anyone believe Monad, with the permission of Allah, gives life, splits the seed, grows vegetation, forms us in our wombs, and by the permission of Allah, takes lives.

Would such a person be considered a Mushrik, and one who has committed Shirk

It seems thiests enjoy perpetuating stupidy. Whether he can or cannot how does it effects one's existence?. It has no bearing but yet we waste time making arguing over the same concepts over and over again.

Is not supplication an act of asking a diety, permission for X to happen or occur?. The problem here is that of accessibility to the diety and the imaginery effects of whether this access can be proven to provide ones allegiance without breaking that said allegiance.

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