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Don't say Ramadan

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A number of our people have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn abu Nasr from Hisham ibn Salim from Sa‘d who has said the following: “Once, we eight people were in the presence of abu Ja’far (عليه السلام). We spoke of Ramadan. The Imam said, ‘You must not say, “This is Ramadan or Ramadan is gone or Ramadan has come.” Ramadan is one of the names of Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious, which does not come or go. What comes or goes is what is not durable. You instead should say, “The month of Ramadan.” The word “month” in this case is used in a possessive case in relation to the noun, the “name,” the name that is the name of Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Glorious. This month is the one when the Holy Quran was revealed, and He has made it a festival and an example."

Al-Kāfi, Volume 4, the book of fasting, chapter of the prohibition of saying 'ramadhan' instead of the month of ramadhan.

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3 minutes ago, realizm said:

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I thought it meant something burning. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) would bear such a name ?

I wish that someone would bring information from any source talking about this name more. What does it mean, how is it used, etc. (And confirmation that it really is a name of Allah)

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17 minutes ago, realizm said:

:salam:

Ramadan is quite common I think for Egyptians, also some people name their children rajab or shaaban.

Lots of Ramadans running around in Egypt.

I honestly have some doubts about this hadith. Would be nice if there was more material on it to back it up.

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16 hours ago, realizm said:

:salam:

I thought it meant something burning. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) would bear such a name ?

Salam Ramazan رمضانis driven from " Ramz" "رمض"  that means intensive heat & radiation of sun on sand (or pebble) of desert that using it as name of Allah means as destroyer of sins like extreme heat of sun in dessert destroys anything & makes it lifeless (sinless )

also all shia hadiths refer to it as month of Ramadan that prophet Muhammad (pbu) said that this month is month of Allah like in another narration prophet Muhammad (pbu) said that month of Shaban شعبان is my month & in another narration he said month of Rajab is month of (Istigfar of) my Umma.

شهر رمضان، اسماءالله است(الكافی (ط - الإسلامیة

month of Ramadan is , Isma' Allah 

https://article.tebyan.net/425276/نگویید-رمضان-بگویید-شهر-رمضان

https://www.isna.ir/news/99020503463/اعمال-و-فضایل-ماه-رمضان-ماه-شب-های-مناجات-و-دعا

https://www.isna.ir/news/91043018285/بگوييم-ماه-رمضان-آمد-نه-رمضان

http://ensani.ir/fa/article/141151/فضیلت-ماه-شعبان

https://mouood.org/component/k2/item/29525-شعبان-ماه-من-است.html

http://maaref.iust.ac.ir/content/26101/شعبان-ماه-پیامبر-خدا

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Ramadan

https://sb.iqna.ir/fa/news/3183288/ماه-رجب-ماه-استغفار-امت-رسول‌اللهص-است

 

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13 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam Ramazan رمضانis driven from " Ramz" "رمض"  that means intensive heat & radiation of sun on sand (or pebble) of desert that using it as name of Allah means as destroyer of sins like extreme heat of sun in dessert destroys anything & makes it lifeless (sinless )

also all shia hadiths refer to it as month of Ramadan that prophet Muhammad (pbu) said that this month is month of Allah like in another narration prophet Muhammad (pbu) said that month of Shaban شعبان is my month & in another narration he said month of Rajab is month of (Istigfar of) my Umma.

شهر رمضان، اسماءالله است(الكافی (ط - الإسلامیة

month of Ramadan is , Isma' Allah 

https://article.tebyan.net/425276/نگویید-رمضان-بگویید-شهر-رمضان

https://www.isna.ir/news/99020503463/اعمال-و-فضایل-ماه-رمضان-ماه-شب-های-مناجات-و-دعا

https://www.isna.ir/news/91043018285/بگوييم-ماه-رمضان-آمد-نه-رمضان

http://ensani.ir/fa/article/141151/فضیلت-ماه-شعبان

https://mouood.org/component/k2/item/29525-شعبان-ماه-من-است.html

http://maaref.iust.ac.ir/content/26101/شعبان-ماه-پیامبر-خدا

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Ramadan

https://sb.iqna.ir/fa/news/3183288/ماه-رجب-ماه-استغفار-امت-رسول‌اللهص-است

 

Is there more than that one hadith that just states this, or is this the only thing we have?

I personally don't really believe it from just one type of hadith like that.

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Anyway in this month you must control your mouth so it's better that we call name of this month with respect as Allah in Holy Quran ordered to muslim that call prophet with respect & they must not call him  like one of themselves so calling month of Ramadan as just Ramadan is a kind of disrespect to Allah & not controlling your mouth like uneducated muslims call names of prophet Muhammad (pbu) & Imams (عليه السلام) like ordinary names between themselves without using their titles.

26 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Is there more than that one hadith that just states this, or is this the only thing we have?

I personally don't really believe it from just one type of hadith like that.

 

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19 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Anyway in this month you must control your mouth so it's better that we call name of this month with respect as Allah in Holy Quran ordered to muslim that call prophet with respect & they must not call him  like one of themselves so calling month of Ramadan as just Ramadan is a kind of disrespect to Allah & not controlling your mouth like uneducated muslims call names of prophet Muhammad (pbu) & Imams (عليه السلام) like ordinary names between themselves without using their titles.

 

You must control your mind in this month, to make sure you don't call something Allah, when it might not be so. And I agree about controlling mouths. The same counts with using the mouth to attributing things as names of Allah without having solid proof, as that might be a big crime described in the Quran, where people spread lies about Allah. Therefore, we must be vigilant and ask lots of questions and be very critical of such claims. Just because some person comes and said some random narration, we might be spreading lies about Allah, so then you would be doing something that's worse than a dirty mouth. 

So the very least we should do is not be too sure about something like this, that could be shirq, before at least thoroughly investigating. Otherwise one might be like those hypocrite Muslims who like to adapt any shirq or lie, without having a base for it in the Quran or ahl bayt (other than maybe one hadith). So let us be vigilant and not believe things until they have some base ok?

So who can bring us the base of this claim, that should be the deciding factor of whether we should trust and believe this claim?

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3 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

To me this is a very weak basis for this belief. So there are basically two hadiths that don't give any background on the actual name, or any other info.

I personally wouldn't propagate something when that's all we've got. 

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3 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

To me this is a very weak basis for this belief. So there are basically two hadiths that don't give any background on the actual name, or any other info.

I personally wouldn't propagate something when that's all we've got. 

Refer to the Qur'an dear brother and notice how Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) addresses this month as 'the month of Ramadhan'

The same applies for the supplications for this holy month. 

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1 minute ago, Mahdavist said:

Refer to the Qur'an dear brother and notice how Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) addresses this month as 'the month of Ramadhan'.

Yes dear brother I've noticed that, but that is not proof to me that the word Ramadan is a name of God. It would be interesting to read the countless hadiths that mention Ramadan to see how they refer to it exactly. There is a recent thread on "intercourse during the first night", where a translated hadith is used that says Ramadan without 'the month of'. It would be an exciting project to analyze all the hadiths one can find in Arabic to see how it is used.

Out of principle we should not accept things that easily in my opinion, just because of two small hadiths, without investigating deeper, I think.

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40 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

Yes dear brother I've noticed that, but that is not proof to me that the word Ramadan is a name of God. It would be interesting to read the countless hadiths that mention Ramadan to see how they refer to it exactly. There is a recent thread on "intercourse during the first night", where a translated hadith is used that says Ramadan without 'the month of'. It would be an exciting project to analyze all the hadiths one can find in Arabic to see how it is used.

Out of principle we should not accept things that easily in my opinion, just because of two small hadiths, without investigating deeper, I think.

I prefer to remain precautious. If our supplications say month of ramadhan, the Qur'an says month of ramadhan and we have narrations instructing us to say it this way then I prefer not to deviate from this.

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1 hour ago, Mahdavist said:

I prefer to remain precautious. If our supplications say month of ramadhan, the Qur'an says month of ramadhan and we have narrations instructing us to say it this way then I prefer not to deviate from this.

Sure I don't see anything wrong in this mentality. I'm talking about ordering people not to say it without "the month of" and combining it with fasting and charity if one does, in junction with the statement that it's a name of God.

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