Doubting myself and my intentions

[Guest GodHelpMe]

Assalamu Alaykum,

Where does one start when their distance from the truth has enabled a seeming multitude of paths back to it? I've experienced nights of intensive crying towards God; I've felt the sweetness of his mercy. Then I allowed my arrogance to cheat me into thinking I am a good person... "my intentions are pure" and "surely God would not have ME suffer in the pits of hell'' I'm so biased towards myself. Many humans are; we tend to overestimate our own good. But, how much is our self-judgement worth when some of the most evil and vile beings to have existed too thought themselves good? We, I, see this disease of self-blindness in others while failing to see it in ourselves. It's even as I write this that I'm unsure of whether I've really grasped the meaning of these words. I might say things I don't fully comprehend, and that terrifies me.

And so I'd picked up praying again. It's been years; my mind and soul had become undisciplined. As thoughts intrude I do my absolute best to continuously refocus on my prayer, on God. Sometimes this conscious effort was unneeded: the thought of God would leave no place for the conscious effort of staying focused. It's during these moments when I get overtaken with emotion and an intense longing to be near. But afterwards I remember the self-conceited arrogance these cries and feelings of closeness caused in me, and so I begin to doubt whether they're truly for God, or to satisfy the remnants of the inner-belief that I'm not a bad person.

The past years have taught me well on how to play mind-games with myself. A common phrase -lies we tell ourselves- applies here. And so I've grown hesitant to believing in the purity of my intentions. My mind and soul have cried wolf too many a times. This makes me feel anxious. I fear my prayers are not accepted.

When is an intention accepted, and when is it not? I see my case similar as that of a revert whose reasons for reverting are merely intellectual. This person wants to get closer to God, but his intention feels shallow and doubtful as his faith is still weak. He hopes for this spiritually pure intention to be cultivated as he obeys the commands of God, but is afraid of his yet shallow and doubtful  intentions to form a problem in the acceptance of these deeds, and thus keep him away from attaining nearness to God. T

I hope someone can help me out here.

Wassalam

[eThErEaL]

[Mod Note: This reply does not contain mainstream Shia beliefs.] 

On 4/18/2020 at 11:03 AM, Guest GodHelpMe said:

I hope someone can help me out here.

Salamun Alaykum!

Excellent topic for discussion.

The bedrock of Islamic spirituality is all about sincere intentions (ikhlas al-niyyah).

ikhlas, according to its etymological meaning, is to be pure from, or unmixed with anything else.  An intention should be for God alone.  What this means that our hearts should be occupied by nothing else except God.  Occupying the heart with anything else is an intention that is impure and therefore is classified as a “hidden shirk”.

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (S) warned his Ummah of hidden shirk, which can be as unnoticeable as a black ant on a black stone in a dark night.  

So what do we do about it if anything?  The first thing we need to do is to understand that “I” don’t exist as a separate reality and therefore as a doer.  God is the only reality and therefore He is the ONLY Doer.  You need to understand that you cannot purify yourselfNow, if you have issues with this, then scrap all this away and get back to theology 101.  If Shiite theology doesn’t get you at the understanding that God is the Doer and that He alone is the ultimate reality, then that means Shiite theology isn’t working for you, try another theology, try Asherite theology, try Buddhism, try Hinduism, try whatever it takes to get you at a level of knowing with certainty (Ilmul Yaqeen) of who God is. Start from the ground up.  And start questioning everything you think you know about who or what God is and what the creation is.  The point is you need to verify this knowledge of the Truth for yourself. 

Anyway, once you understand the basis of Tawhid and have a solid foundation (inshallah) you will see that there is a science of Muraqaba and Muhasaba.  You can’t read this from a book, you actually have to be trained by an adept.  This is basically “meditation”, but there is a skill that has to be developed and learned with respect to this.  This practice will help in really feeling the presence of God that is always already there (in everything you do, not only in your prayers, but in all spheres of your life).  
 

please take care

wish you the best

ethereal

Edited April 24, 2020 by Hameedeh
Mod Note

[Aflower]

@Guest GodHelpme

Walaikum Salam.

Sorry I can’t be of any help. Just wanted to say you’re not alone in thinking like this. I’ve been there (might still be there can’t comment). I could tangibly feel the frustration, pain and anguish behind your words. May Allah give you strength. Praying for you. 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Aflower

[Allah Seeker]

On 4/18/2020 at 11:03 AM, Guest GodHelpMe said:

I hope someone can help me out here.

Walaikum Salaam,

The way I see what you wrote is a very honest and open description of what probably any God-fearing person goes through. Us humans are created weak, and we can never reach perfection or certainty that Allah will forgive us of the countless mistakes that we are aware of, and also those that we aren't aware of. Those that we aren't aware of are almost more scary to me. So, without getting into too much detail here, I would personally suggest that you stay on the path you are on, and remain as humble and God fearing as you are. Congratulations! You seem to be a real good person ma-sha-Allah! Keep it up! 

Just one more thing that I want to say:

The title is kind of heavy ( i.e. Doubting myself and my intentions ). But that is good, because it could be the source of the problem

Make your intentions more simple. You understand that there is a God, right? So of this you are sure, thankfully. Then make your intention to be the best Worshipper of this God, and think of competition. Think that you want to be better than everyone else, and closer to God than them (this is what you can pray for). Then you will notice how everyone else has the exact same struggles like you, and you will feel encouraged to be better than your own version of yesterday. You start to feel your proximity to Allah increase and you can feel that it is closer than others. Basically you feel more Love and you see more signs (you can also see it in the shining of your own face in the mirror btw). The Quran talks all about signs (ayat) that can come in form of verses or sunsets. They are usually things that come by "coincidence" to guide you along the way. Like, God sends you signs that this person is bad, and hence you should not trust him. Then you often ignore the signs, and BANG! We get served our karma. So learn to not only see the signs, but to thank God for them and to follow through. I am myself a beginning student in this subject, and we must be aware that God can take away this blessing any day. In this way we are prevented from being arrogant and haughty. Also, the higher we rise, the deeper we can fall. So, when you feel that God has raised you by giving you insight, powers, or allowed you to experience intimacy in your prayers, we get worried to lose it. And the ups and downs in life that you described are also a humbler. One day we think we're flying on our prayer carpet, then the next day we can't focus and are struggling with praying on time. 

Anyway, wishing you all the best - and that is the closest proximity to our God of Islam

Thank you,

[Shahrukh K]

On 4/18/2020 at 11:03 AM, Guest GodHelpMe said:

I hope someone can help me out here.

When you are doing something ask yourself, “Why am I doing 
this?” Check to see if your answer is “For Allah” or “For myself”… 
The inclination of your heart will reveal your true intention. It is no 
use to claim your intention is one thing while your heart's desire is 
something else, even though you may deceive yourself into believing 
it.
“Actions are according to intentions” says the Rasul of Allah 
(saw)… And he also says, “The intention of a believer is better than 
his actions”… So, take this seriously until you can ask yourself, 
“Why am I doing this?” and your answer is “Because my Rabb 
wants me to “… But know, even this state will be temporary. If you 
are of the qualified, after some time there will be neither intention 
left nor any thoughts… You will go with the flow, not knowing or 
needing to know where you are going, only becoming aware as 
things transpire.
Then you will reach a state in which you will know that the doer, 
behind all seeming doers, is Him alone… Words will be insufficient 
from this point on.

[Ashvazdanghe]

12 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

If Shiite theology doesn’t get you at the understanding that God is the Doer and that He alone is the ultimate reality, then that means Shiite theology isn’t working for you, try another theology, try Asherite theology, try Buddhism, try Hinduism, try whatever it takes to get you at a level of knowing with certainty (Ilmul Yaqeen) of who God is. Start from the ground up.

Because of your hate from shiite theology don’t try to fool people to do visible shirk like trying Buddhism & Hinduism anyway hardcore Wahabists like you are preferring to deny Allah instead of accepting shiite theology .

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 4/18/2020 at 8:33 PM, Guest GodHelpMe said:

The past years have taught me well on how to play mind-games with myself. A common phrase -lies we tell ourselves- applies here. And so I've grown hesitant to believing in the purity of my intentions. My mind and soul have cried wolf too many a times. This makes me feel anxious. I fear my prayers are not accepted.

When is an intention accepted, and when is it not? I see my case similar as that of a revert whose reasons for reverting are merely intellectual. This person wants to get closer to God, but his intention feels shallow and doubtful as his faith is still weak. He hopes for this spiritually pure intention to be cultivated as he obeys the commands of God, but is afraid of his yet shallow and doubtful  intentions to form a problem in the acceptance of these deeds, and thus keep him away from attaining nearness to God

Salam it’s just only your problem majority of us like me are facing these conditions that we think that our prayers are not sincere or doesn’t has pure intention but Allah knows better than us what is inside our hearts so don’t think that your prayers no accepted but continue your obligatory prayers & don’t count your prayer even shortest & smallest of them without value also feeling nearness to God is different in any person & doesn’t has a specific meter  that you can say that how much that you are near to God but God said in holy Quran that he is near to everyone even Kafirs & Mushriks nearer than Jaguar vain so just try to make peace inside yourself but don’t try visible shirk practices like Hinduism or Buddhism because you don’t feel pure intention in your prayers or feel hatred from a sect like @eThErEaL hates Shia sect he tries to fool every person to follow  radical  sects or doing visible shirk in name of finding peace & balance .

[realizm]

On 4/19/2020 at 12:26 PM, eThErEaL said:

Salamun Alaykum!

Excellent topic for discussion.

The bedrock of Islamic spirituality is all about sincere intentions (ikhlas al-niyyah).

ikhlas, according to its etymological meaning, is to be pure from, or unmixed with anything else.  An intention should be for God alone.  What this means that our hearts should be occupied by nothing else except God.  Occupying the heart with anything else is an intention that is impure and therefore is classified as a “hidden shirk”.

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (S) warned his Ummah of hidden shirk, which can be as unnoticeable as a black ant on a black stone in a dark night.  

So what do we do about it if anything?  The first thing we need to do is to understand that “I” don’t exist as a separate reality and therefore as a doer.  God is the only reality and therefore He is the ONLY Doer.  You need to understand that you cannot purify yourselfNow, if you have issues with this, then scrap all this away and get back to theology 101.  If Shiite theology doesn’t get you at the understanding that God is the Doer and that He alone is the ultimate reality, then that means Shiite theology isn’t working for you, try another theology, try Asherite theology, try Buddhism, try Hinduism, try whatever it takes to get you at a level of knowing with certainty (Ilmul Yaqeen) of who God is. Start from the ground up.  And start questioning everything you think you know about who or what God is and what the creation is.  The point is you need to verify this knowledge of the Truth for yourself. 

Anyway, once you understand the basis of Tawhid and have a solid foundation (inshallah) you will see that there is a science of Muraqaba and Muhasaba.  You can’t read this from a book, you actually have to be trained by an adept.  This is basically “meditation”, but there is a skill that has to be developed and learned with respect to this.  This practice will help in really feeling the presence of God that is always already there (in everything you do, not only in your prayers, but in all spheres of your life).  
 

please take care

wish you the best

ethereal

There is this saying I think by Ibn Rushd, which says «Some beliefs pollute faith». 

Meaning faith in Allah/Yahwe/Ahura Mazda is not necessarily dependant of its doctrinal details. 

Ask Sunnis who turn to Shia Islam, they did not do it because they thought Allah was 14 (استغفر الله), otherwise they could as well have turned to Christianity where Allah is 3. They only went a bit further into the details of Islam.

Yet their faith in a Unique God remain unchanged - or it may have been strenghtened by believing they are on a historical solid path.

So I highly doubt advising to go towards polytheism will make one's intention more accepted to Allah. 

[eThErEaL]

4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Because of your hate from shiite theology don’t try to fool people to do visible shirk like trying Buddhism & Hinduism anyway hardcore Wahabists like you are preferring to deny Allah instead of accepting shiite theology .

Buddhism is and Hinduism is more valuable that Shia polytheism.  

[Allah Seeker]

2 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

Buddhism is and Hinduism is more valuable that Shia polytheism.  

Did you read Quran and hadeeths? Did you see any polytheism in them?

[guest 2025]

2 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

Buddhism is and Hinduism is more valuable that Shia polytheism.  

This is what happens when a weak minded person starts praying in a Sunni mosque

[eThErEaL]

14 hours ago, realizm said:

There is this saying I think by Ibn Rushd, which says «Some beliefs pollute faith». 

Meaning faith in Allah/Yahwe/Ahura Mazda is not necessarily dependant of its doctrinal details. 

Ask Sunnis who turn to Shia Islam, they did not do it because they thought Allah was 14 (استغفر الله), otherwise they could as well have turned to Christianity where Allah is 3. They only went a bit further into the details of Islam.

Yet their faith in a Unique God remain unchanged - or it may have been strenghtened by believing they are on a historical solid path.

So I highly doubt advising to go towards polytheism will make one's intention more accepted to Allah. 

Shia Polytheism is not going to get anyone anywhere.

[realizm]

7 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

Shia Polytheism is not going to get anyone anywhere.

Smart. I'm sure Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) would give you a High Five if He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) had a hand. 

Wait, isn't it your Muwahidin brothers' belief ? 

[eThErEaL]

5 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

Did you read Quran and hadeeths? Did you see any polytheism in them?

No.

[eThErEaL]

3 hours ago, realizm said:

Smart. I'm sure Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) would give you a High Five if He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) had a hand. 

Wait, isn't it your Muwahidin brothers' belief ? 

That God has hands.  Yes.  It is Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama.  To deny this is kufr.

Shias who deny this are because of a Mutazili influence.  They completely ignore and show discourtesy to the the Quranic expressions by interpetting them as something else.  When Allah says hand, he means "hand" and not anything else.  This is rationalist attitude of Mutazili Influence Shiaism.  They think they know better than God and how the Quran sould have been written.  They say, "hand" is actually "power" or "authority", not "hand".

[Allah Seeker]

7 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

No.

No to what exactly? You didn't read the Quran and Hadiths, or you read into them and didn't see any polytheism in them?

[eThErEaL]

1 minute ago, 313 Seeker said:

No to what exactly? You didn't read the Quran and Hadiths, or you read into them and

didn't see any polytheism in them.

The Imams were not polytheists.  

Edited April 20, 2020 by eThErEaL

[Allah Seeker]

OK, so you are basically accusing some of the Shia of not actually being true Shia of ahl bayt, right? As in, they don't follow their own rules in their own books basically? 

@eThErEaL

Edited April 20, 2020 by 313 Seeker

[eThErEaL]

1 minute ago, 313 Seeker said:

OK, so you are basically accusing some of the Shia of not actually being true Shia of ahl bayt, right? As in, they don't follow their own rules in their own books basically? 

@eThErEaL

No, more like they don't understand what is being said.  They have a partial view of things.  

[Allah Seeker]

Just now, eThErEaL said:

No, more like they don't understand what is being said.  They have a partial view of things.  

Dear brother would it be possible for the sake of Shia Islam, which is basically the books - or Allah's Book and the Prophetic narrations - that you respect it if you think it's true? You might offend people here who are striving to be Shia while they might understand that you are saying that Hindu and Buddhist books are superior, while they might think you are saying that their books and prophets and Imams are polytheists. For the sake of peace and harmony, please explain yourself better, and try not to offend the true Shia among those who call themselves Shia. Thank you

[MartyS]

On 4/18/2020 at 11:03 AM, Guest GodHelpMe said:

Assalamu Alaykum,

Where does one start when their distance from the truth has enabled a seeming multitude of paths back to it? I've experienced nights of intensive crying towards God; I've felt the sweetness of his mercy. Then I allowed my arrogance to cheat me into thinking I am a good person... "my intentions are pure" and "surely God would not have ME suffer in the pits of hell'' I'm so biased towards myself. Many humans are; we tend to overestimate our own good. But, how much is our self-judgement worth when some of the most evil and vile beings to have existed too thought themselves good? We, I, see this disease of self-blindness in others while failing to see it in ourselves. It's even as I write this that I'm unsure of whether I've really grasped the meaning of these words. I might say things I don't fully comprehend, and that terrifies me.

And so I'd picked up praying again. It's been years; my mind and soul had become undisciplined. As thoughts intrude I do my absolute best to continuously refocus on my prayer, on God. Sometimes this conscious effort was unneeded: the thought of God would leave no place for the conscious effort of staying focused. It's during these moments when I get overtaken with emotion and an intense longing to be near. But afterwards I remember the self-conceited arrogance these cries and feelings of closeness caused in me, and so I begin to doubt whether they're truly for God, or to satisfy the remnants of the inner-belief that I'm not a bad person.

The past years have taught me well on how to play mind-games with myself. A common phrase -lies we tell ourselves- applies here. And so I've grown hesitant to believing in the purity of my intentions. My mind and soul have cried wolf too many a times. This makes me feel anxious. I fear my prayers are not accepted.

When is an intention accepted, and when is it not? I see my case similar as that of a revert whose reasons for reverting are merely intellectual. This person wants to get closer to God, but his intention feels shallow and doubtful as his faith is still weak. He hopes for this spiritually pure intention to be cultivated as he obeys the commands of God, but is afraid of his yet shallow and doubtful  intentions to form a problem in the acceptance of these deeds, and thus keep him away from attaining nearness to God. T

I hope someone can help me out here.

Wassalam

Greetings, my friend. The perspective I have to share is that of "the Church." I am not a direct descendant of Abraham that I know of. So I have no inheritance to God's favor, entitling me to spend eternity with God, that I can claim. I grew up in one of the so-called Christian denominations that I now believe teaches much heresy and, if they do not repent, are in grave danger of God's judgment that is coming on the earth soon. Fortunately, in 1976, I had a personal encounter with Jesus, who said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except by me." Jesus didn't expect me to be good enough to be accepted by God, because He fully intended to pardon all my sins when I put my faith in Him, and give me His own perfect sinless righteousness in which I stand before God now and in eternity. My guilt and shame and fear are gone. I have God's Spirit living inside of me, helping me live according to His Spirit and not according to my old sinful flesh nature. I have a new nature as a child of God. It's who I am.

Many blessings!

Edited April 20, 2020 by MartyS

[realizm]

3 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

That God has hands.  Yes.  It is Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama.  To deny this is kufr.

Shias who deny this are because of a Mutazili influence.  They completely ignore and show discourtesy to the the Quranic expressions by interpetting them as something else.  When Allah says hand, he means "hand" and not anything else.  This is rationalist attitude of Mutazili Influence Shiaism.  They think they know better than God and how the Quran sould have been written.  They say, "hand" is actually "power" or "authority", not "hand".

Oh, come on. Now it's the Mu`tazili.

I think I will leave this morphological discussion here. 

وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ اللَّـهِ إِلَـٰهًا آخَرَ ۘ لَا إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ كُلُّ شَيْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلَّا وَجْهَهُ ۚ لَهُ الْحُكْمُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

And do not invoke with Allah another deity. There is no deity except Him. Everything will be destroyed except His Face. His is the judgement, and to Him you will be returned.

28:88

[eThErEaL]

1 hour ago, realizm said:

Oh, come on. Now it's the Mu`tazili.

I think I will leave this morphological discussion here. 

وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ اللَّـهِ إِلَـٰهًا آخَرَ ۘ لَا إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ كُلُّ شَيْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلَّا وَجْهَهُ ۚ لَهُ الْحُكْمُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

And do not invoke with Allah another deity. There is no deity except Him. Everything will be destroyed except His Face. His is the judgement, and to Him you will be returned.

28:88

Do you actually think that I believe that God has a physical face and physical hand?  

Anyway.

take crae

[eThErEaL]

2 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

Dear brother would it be possible for the sake of Shia Islam, which is basically the books - or Allah's Book and the Prophetic narrations - that you respect it if you think it's true? You might offend people here who are striving to be Shia while they might understand that you are saying that Hindu and Buddhist books are superior, while they might think you are saying that their books and prophets and Imams are polytheists. For the sake of peace and harmony, please explain yourself better, and try not to offend the true Shia among those who call themselves Shia. Thank you

Well, do you curse the Sahaba?  yes or no?

[Allah Seeker]

36 minutes ago, eThErEaL said:

Well, do you curse the Sahaba?  yes or no?

what does that have to do with the topic of this thread or the topic of Shia Books, Imams, prophets of Islam etc.? Why do you ask this question exactly? 

[guest 2025]

Let's knock it off guys, our behavior has been less than ideal in this thread. Here we have a person who's poured his heart out asking for help, and we've somehow dragged it into this. I apologize for my behavior, OP.

[eThErEaL]

2 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

Well, do you curse the Sahaba?  yes or no?

Because this is the root problem with Shiaism.  

[AmirioTheMuzzy]

8 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

Dear brother would it be possible for the sake of Shia Islam, which is basically the books - or Allah's Book and the Prophetic narrations - that you respect it if you think it's true?

He doesn't believe it to be true. It's a form of trolling that is meant to confuse people, by flip flopping on his position, and bouncing all over the place. It allows him to control the conversation by making it seem as though he is above sectarianism because he is so well read, and acting as if only he is getting the bigger picture, while Shias are only getting a partial picture of the Deen. It's all nonsense to stroke his ego, and to make it difficult for us to disect and rebut his own beliefs. He intentionally keeps his beliefs ambiguous, and instead makes snarky inciting remarks. 

8 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

You might offend people here who are striving to be Shia while they might understand that you are saying that Hindu and Buddhist books are superior, while they might think you are saying that their books and prophets and Imams are polytheists.

His goal is to offend, though he tries to cover it up with the afformentioned strategy.

Edited April 21, 2020 by AmirioTheMuzzy

[Ashvazdanghe]

3 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

Because this is the root problem with Shiaism.  

root problem with wahabists like you is your constant hateful lying about Shia Islam .

Edited April 21, 2020 by Ashvazdanghe

[AmirioTheMuzzy]

6 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

Well, do you curse the Sahaba?  yes or no?

If you are asking if sending Lanat needs to be done in order to fufill the obligation of Tabarra, then the answer is no, and it isn't even a Seerah or Sunnah. Ibn al-Hussain had a series of posts on this. That being said, sending Lanat is a (jurisprudentially) permissible form of tabarra [if practiced ethically, i.e. with proper akhlaaq, i.e. niyyat of qurbat or tabarrak]. Reza concisely explained when Lanat would become unethical.

The last paragraph here:

Also, importantly

Last paragraph again,

 

Edited April 21, 2020 by AmirioTheMuzzy

[eThErEaL]

1 hour ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

He doesn't believe it to be true. It's a form of trolling that is meant to confuse people, by flip flopping on his position, and bouncing all over the place. It allows him to control the conversation by making it seem as though he is above sectarianism because he is so well read, and acting as if only he is getting the bigger picture, while Shias are only getting a partial picture of the Deen. It's all nonsense to stroke his ego, and to make it difficult for us to disect and rebut his own beliefs. He intentionally keeps his beliefs ambiguous, and instead makes snarky inciting remarks. 

I am not trying to confuse people.  I am not interested in wasting anyone's time.  I really mean what I say.  and I have been rather consistent in what I have been saying.  If I have not been consistent, I can try to clarify where I stand on something.  I do sometimes get less time to type a very lengthy reply and so I may come across as ambiguous.  Perhaps it would be wise if I simply don't say anything.  Do I like my ego to be stroked.  I have an ego and it likes to be stroked, for sure.  but not in this way. 

1 hour ago, AmirioTheMuzzy said:

His goal is to offend, though he tries to cover it up with the afformentioned strategy.

no.

[AmirioTheMuzzy]

6 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

I can try to clarify where I stand on something.

Please clarify the following:

Most of your beliefs seem to rely on Shias taking a minority position relative to Muslims overall, and thereby you consider the Shia position to likely be wrong. It is a logical fallacy to say that a belief is wrong because it's adherents are in the minority. 

If you're goal is other, for example, to tell us to curb our arrogance, this doesn't accomplish those ends either. Unless someone makes an error, it is useless to mention that only Shias believe in X. All it does is annoyingly imply that we are wrong for being in the minority. It also hurts your case right off the bat, considering that "probably wrong because minority position" is logically fallacious. 

If you don't think the aforementioned is logically fallacious, then please explain why.

[Allah Seeker]

12 hours ago, eThErEaL said:

Because this is the root problem with Shiaism.  

That's another topic. 

[realizm]

On 4/20/2020 at 4:53 PM, eThErEaL said:

Do you actually think that I believe that God has a physical face and physical hand?  

Anyway.

take crae

I rather wondered if you believed that Allah's (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) hand would perish, since only His face would remain.

So that was MY 'anyway take care', how dare you ?

[Allah Seeker]

@eThErEaL

Kindly explain how talking about cursing can help the OP

Edited April 21, 2020 by 313 Seeker
Auto correct can be really annoying tbh