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Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

Whoever Dies Without an Imam and some Questions

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There is a Sahih hadith as follows:

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Musnad Abu Dawood Tyalisi v3 hadith 2025

Ibn-e-Umar said: Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: Whover dies without an Imam, dies death of Jahiliyah

 

There are many such hadiths but Sunnis have interpreted it in a different way refuting interpretetion of Shias. I wanted to look for answers to those.

1. to die in a state of misguidance with no ruler to obey, as the inhabitants of that era had no such system of ruling. The hadith doesn’t mean that the Muslim will die as a kafir but as a disobeying Muslim. This Hadith has possible definitions:To resemble between the state of death between the disobeying Muslim and the Jahil, even if the Muslim was not in reality a Jahil; or, To frighten and reprimand, and this meaning is not the apparent one. Ibn Battāl said: this hadith is an argument to not disobey the ruler even if he is wronged. The scholars agreed unanimously on the obligation of obeying the empowered ruler and fighting under his commandment. As well as the scholars consider that obeying the ruler is better than disobeying him as this act prevents bloodshed and mitigates masses. “ (Fath Al-Bari,  commentary of #6530).

 

Also then they say if it means death of Kufr, then what is meaning of these hadiths in Shias books:

Similarly, We find in Shia book Al-Kafi in the second hadith in Next Chapter after the Chapter of Drinkers of Intoxicants:

Abu Ali Al-Ash’ari from Al-Hasan bin Ali Al-Kufi from Al-Abbas bin Amer from Dawud bin Al-Hussain from Abi Abdullah (as): “Whosoever drinks an intoxicant, his prayer will not be accepted for forty days. If he dead within those forty days, then he will die a death of the jahiliyyah, but if he repented then Allah will forgive him.” (Al Kafi, H 11914, Ch. 5, h 2; Al-Majlisi declares this hadith reliable in Mir’at Al-Uqool).

As we know, Shias do not declare apostasy for those that drink intoxicants, so it makes perfect sense that what is meant here is not a death of apostasy, but a death of jahiliyyah, since people in the pre-Islamic ages used to drink a lot of intoxicants.

Moreover, we find in Shia book  Jami Ahadith al Shia, there is a whole chapter as:
باب ما ورد في أن الوصية حق على كل مسلم ، وأن من مات بغير وصية مات ميتة جاهلية
Chapter on what has been narrated regarding that will(wasiyyah) is haqq on all the Muslims , and who died without making will dies upon the death of jahiliyyah.

Here is one hadeeth from the above chapter of Shia book:
المقنعة 101 – قال صلى الله عليه وآله من مات بغير وصية فقد مات ميتة جاهلية.
(9) al-Muqni`ah 101- He Peace be upon him and his family said: He who dies without a Will then he died a death of Jahiliyyah.

Now if we go by the faulty Shia interpretations then, any Shia who died without making a will would die as a Kafir. Will the Shias agree with this interpretation? We believe, they won’t, because this would be an illogical conclusion, similarly even in regards to the hadeeth in question, they should stop applying the illogical and incorrect interpretations to it, because death of jahiliyyah doesn’t mean dying as Kafir even in the case of dying without an Imam.

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I think, saying people had no system of ruling in those times is a false and baseless claim isn't it?
Even back then, they had tribes there and tribes had there rulers and  were strictly followed and had command over there tribes.
So I don't understand what they mean by there was no such system of ruling.

Other point they made, is it means he died as dis obeying Muslim.
We can say dis obeying Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is without a doubt Kufr.

Therefore they cannot directly prove, that death of jahiliyyah doesn't mean death of kufr directly using this hadith alone.

Now there use other hadiths like hadith of dying without will, and drinking etc

Even if we accept there interpretetion, the tafseer of death of jahilyyah would be with respect to hadith under consideration.
Like in case of this hadith:

Abu Ali Al-Ash’ari from Al-Hasan bin Ali Al-Kufi from Al-Abbas bin Amer from Dawud bin Al-Hussain from Abi Abdullah (as): “Whosoever drinks an intoxicant, his prayer will not be accepted for forty days. If he dead within those forty days, then he will die a death of the jahiliyyah, but if he repented then Allah will forgive him.” (Al Kafi, H 11914, Ch. 5, h 2; Al-Majlisi declares this hadith reliable in Mir’at Al-Uqool)

So death of Jahiliyyah here would mean death like of people in pre Islamic times, who used to drink alot and this alone isn't kufr.

As for this hadith:

باب ما ورد في أن الوصية حق على كل مسلم ، وأن من مات بغير وصية مات ميتة جاهلية
Chapter on what has been narrated regarding that will(wasiyyah) is haqq on all the Muslims , and who died without making will dies upon the death of jahiliyyah.

here death of Jahiliyyah would imply to death like of people in terms of dying without making a will which isn't kufr.

But in case, of hadith:

Whoever dies without an Imam, dies death of Jahiliyyah.

There claim that there was no ruling system back then is totally baseless and false
since tribes had rulers back then and they were the most respected people and had authority over tribes.

So here, where we can't get any other meaning, we must apply the real meaning and the complete meaning
of death of jahiliyyah. which includes kufr as well.

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13 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Whoever dies without an Imam, dies death of Jahiliyyah.

There claim that there was no ruling system back then is totally baseless and false since tribes had rulers back then and they were the most respected people and had authority over tribes.

So here, where we can't get any other meaning, we must apply the real meaning and the complete meaning of death of jahiliyyah. which includes kufr as well.

The interpretation is correct. Further details about the period and term Jahilliya can be seen at the links given below:

https://www.al-Islam.org/man-and-ignorance/what-does-jahiliyah-mean

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Jahiliyya

wasalam

Edited by Muslim2010

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