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On March 26, history was made as a white supremacist terrorist was finally charged, as the courts convened in the presence of Imams who survived the attack in NZ and risked getting coronavirus to sit at the hearing.

This guy was an immigrant who came from Australia to New Zealand with the intent of committing terrorism. He made his ideology clear on the internet. Had the West spied on him like they spy on innocent Muslims they would have caught him. Given the sophistication of programs like PRISM, however, I'm sure they already knew.

Anyway, people around the world today will learn from this incident how civilized people react when their communities are subjected to terrorism from immigrants. We Muslims are not calling for a shutdown on white men entering other countries. We are not calling for interning Muslims in concentration camps. We are not calling for racial profiling of white men at airports, or the streets, or anywhere else. We are not calling for criminalization of the Christian faith. We are not calling for white men to be deported back to Europe**. Why? Because I realize that it's not the Christian faith that was the issue. It is who is leading the Christian faith today (The white Europeans) that are the issue. Colonizer interpretations of the word of God will only lead to people imitating the colonizers, in this case, the NZ mosque shooting is clearly a subordinate replication of US foreign policy in Afghanistan, Yemen, and the rest of the Middle East.

Interestingly, if Brenton Tarrant had a US military uniform, he would be honored with medals and free health care, something which over 13% of the population doesn't even have.

 

**even though this would actually lower crime rates in the non-European world, especially in Palestine

 

Also, imagine someone saying they're calling for a shutdown of white Christians entering New Zealand. You'd be hanging from your ear like one of the hundreds of thousands of Native Americans.

Of course, you blame the gun if the shooter is white, and you blame the religion if the shooter is Muslim. If the shooter is Jewish you say he's defending his homeland.

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On 4/2/2020 at 10:26 PM, MuhammadFreeman said:

On March 26, history was made as a white supremacist terrorist was finally charged, as the courts convened in the presence of Imams who survived the attack in NZ and risked getting coronavirus to sit at the hearing.

This guy was an immigrant who came from Australia to New Zealand with the intent of committing terrorism. He made his ideology clear on the internet. Had the West spied on him like they spy on innocent Muslims they would have caught him. Given the sophistication of programs like PRISM, however, I'm sure they already knew.

Anyway, people around the world today will learn from this incident how civilized people react when their communities are subjected to terrorism from immigrants. We Muslims are not calling for a shutdown on white men entering other countries. We are not calling for interning Muslims in concentration camps. We are not calling for racial profiling of white men at airports, or the streets, or anywhere else. We are not calling for criminalization of the Christian faith. We are not calling for white men to be deported back to Europe**. Why? Because I realize that it's not the Christian faith that was the issue. It is who is leading the Christian faith today (The white Europeans) that are the issue. Colonizer interpretations of the word of God will only lead to people imitating the colonizers, in this case, the NZ mosque shooting is clearly a subordinate replication of US foreign policy in Afghanistan, Yemen, and the rest of the Middle East.

Interestingly, if Brenton Tarrant had a US military uniform, he would be honored with medals and free health care, something which over 13% of the population doesn't even have.

 

**even though this would actually lower crime rates in the non-European world, especially in Palestine

 

Also, imagine someone saying they're calling for a shutdown of white Christians entering New Zealand. You'd be hanging from your ear like one of the hundreds of thousands of Native Americans.

Of course, you blame the gun if the shooter is white, and you blame the religion if the shooter is Muslim. If the shooter is Jewish you say he's defending his homeland.

Hahaha 

Yea white men are lining up dying to enter Muslim countries or other 3rd world countries?

Seriously what a false analogy 

Difference is most average Muslims do not come out condemn the imperialism that their forefathers practiced rather they call it their golden age.While in the west atleast officially no one ( other than British skin heads or french imperialists ) brag about their exploits.If anything germans and many other Europeans have apologized for their crimes.

When will Arab Turks Kurds berbers persians  apologize for their crimes of pillaging plundering and enslaving ?

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

 Yea white men are lining up dying to enter Muslim countries or other 3rd world countries?

 

But there government's are. So y they would be interested in doing the things which are already being done and justified at high levels

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2 hours ago, Nadeemsayyed110 said:

But there government's are. So y they would be interested in doing the things which are already being done and justified at high levels

And we beg their govts to invest in our countries

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7 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

When will Arab Turks Kurds berbers persians  apologize for their crimes of pillaging plundering and enslaving ?

Salam the propaganda about Persians mainly comes from other Pan.x groups that you mentioned & also it’s not first time that you accuse Persians /Iranians without any reliable evidence just based on your poor judgment & low level of your  knowledge about history of Persians/Iranians .

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8 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Hahaha 

Yea white men are lining up dying to enter Muslim countries or other 3rd world countries?

Seriously what a false analogy 

Difference is most average Muslims do not come out condemn the imperialism that their forefathers practiced rather they call it their golden age.While in the west atleast officially no one ( other than British skin heads or french imperialists ) brag about their exploits.If anything germans and many other Europeans have apologized for their crimes.

When will Arab Turks Kurds berbers persians  apologize for their crimes of pillaging plundering and enslaving ?

 

 

 

Yeah, US military men, whom Henry Kissinger called "dumb stupid animals" and "pawns of foreign policy", are indeed lining up to destabilize the Middle East just enough so the West can steal their oil.

Western imperialists always rewrite the history of their ancestors. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were acts of terrorism and use of WMDs but majority of the West believes those bombs were justified. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owning hypocritical pedophile rapist. Winston Churchill was a racist/fascist imperialist who caused thousands of Irishmen and Indians, and millions of Bengals to die in famines. Yet the British elevate him to the status of world's greatest Briton, a few spots above Newton and Shakespeare.

"Muslims" aren't a race, so for you to say "Muslims do not come out (to) condemn the imperialism that their forefathers practiced" is an absurd comment. Muslims don't have forefathers because they don't all have the same family tree. Interestingly this is a crusader argument, because it is how crusaders view Muslims in the West. I wonder if this is because you yourself are a crusader, or if you've had your mind colonized by their propaganda.

 

The Middle East did indeed have a golden age, from which you got algebra, and most of the mathematics necessary for the invention of binary computers. It was around this time that Europeans wanted in on some of the knowledge, so they did crusades and stole wealth of information from libraries in the Middle East and then burned them down. They believed this made them a superior civilization. However, Muslims knew this was wicked and foul.

That's not to say there were Muslim imperialists. Indeed there were, and they were given the greenlight to go invade the more civilized parts of the Muslim world by the British. They attacked Mecca which was predominantly Sufi at the time and started demolishing centuries of beautiful shrine architecture because "Innovation is forbidden". Interestingly, and unsurprisingly, it was these very Muslims that found common ground with the white Christian Europeans.

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On 4/5/2020 at 1:26 AM, MuhammadFreeman said:

Yeah, US military men, whom Henry Kissinger called "dumb stupid animals" and "pawns of foreign policy", are indeed lining up to destabilize the Middle East just enough so the West can steal their oil.

Western imperialists always rewrite the history of their ancestors. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were acts of terrorism and use of WMDs but majority of the West believes those bombs were justified. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owning hypocritical pedophile rapist. Winston Churchill was a racist/fascist imperialist who caused thousands of Irishmen and Indians, and millions of Bengals to die in famines. Yet the British elevate him to the status of world's greatest Briton, a few spots above Newton and Shakespeare.

"Muslims" aren't a race, so for you to say "Muslims do not come out (to) condemn the imperialism that their forefathers practiced" is an absurd comment. Muslims don't have forefathers because they don't all have the same family tree. Interestingly this is a crusader argument, because it is how crusaders view Muslims in the West. I wonder if this is because you yourself are a crusader, or if you've had your mind colonized by their propaganda.

The Middle East did indeed have a golden age, from which you got algebra, and most of the mathematics necessary for the invention of binary computers. It was around this time that Europeans wanted in on some of the knowledge, so they did crusades and stole wealth of information from libraries in the Middle East and then burned them down. They believed this made them a superior civilization. However, Muslims knew this was wicked and foul.

That's not to say there were Muslim imperialists. Indeed there were, and they were given the greenlight to go invade the more civilized parts of the Muslim world by the British. They attacked Mecca which was predominantly Sufi at the time and started demolishing centuries of beautiful shrine architecture because "Innovation is forbidden". Interestingly, and unsurprisingly, it was these very Muslims that found common ground with the white Christian Europeans.

@MuhammadFreeman

It is also interesting to point out that the mass of the bourgeois Jews have become increasingly liberal, hedonistic, and opposed to both Orthodox Judaism and high culture. These Jews-in-name-only, intriguingly, are quite willing to dismiss racism and anti-Semitism as things of the past, as intermarriage between secularised Jews and Gentiles is higher than ever, especially in the West. Meanwhile, the effects of deindustrialisation and neoliberal capitalism have further weakened the Yiddish-speaking Jewish working classes. At the same time, bourgeois ecumenism, libertinism, and commodity fetishism are replacing both religious and secular sources of sobriety and solidarity such as religious communities and communist movements. Aside from secularism, the Old (Stalinist, communist) Left of the 1930s had some things in common with Orthodox Jews and observant Muslims: opposition to liberalism, feminism, and homosexuality—although the communists linked these sins to material rather than spiritual sources, citing the role of the ruling bourgeois-feudalist classes, the Christian (WASP) eugenicists, and their capitalist-fascist system. However, the McCarthy-era purges of the hardline, pro-Soviet Marxist-Leninists led to the ascendancy of class collaborationists and postmodernist identity projects in the 1960s.

It is no accident that there has been a concerted Western effort to lump in Islam with the old Cold-War enemy, communism; each of the two systems was and is fundamentally opposed to the basis of inherited wealth, usury, and advocates either redistributionism (Marxism) or equal opportunity (Islam’s ban on interest). The Christian West has also attempted to link Freemasonry to both communism and Orthodox (“Talmudic”) Judaism, even though the latter two, like Islam, are diametrically opposed to the Masons, albeit for varying reasons. The occult basis of Masonry, a bourgeois-feudal institution, is much closer to Christianity than to monotheistic Judaism and Islam, since the concept of the Trinity is rooted in occultist, pagan circles, e.g. (Christianised) Kabbalah. Masonry, like Trinitarian Christianity, has always been tied to the aristocracy, the high priesthood, and the subordinate financial elite. It is syncretistic and tends to merge disparate polytheisms to form a “monotheistic” synthesis, as is seen in both Trinitarian Christianity and New-Age cults. Although the rise of the occult is often blamed on Jewish conspiracy, it is arguably more of a Christian conspiracy: now that the Christian Establishment, over millennia, has destroyed and/or coopted its pagan and Judaeo-Islamic rivals, it is now discarding its “monotheist” façade and going public with the esoteric, Satanist secrets that Rome and its offshoots have always held to.

The current upsurge in anti-Semitism, (overt) fascism, and Zionist-led hostility to Islam is likely to the benefit of the Christian Establishment: a plot to keep Orthodox Jews, observant Muslims, and traditional Marxist secularists apart, and prevent the emergence of a broad anti-imperialist, counter-cultural alliance—an alliance based on a fusion of anti-capitalist and religious values alike. All too often, religious establishments have worked to benefit the capitalist-fascist elite, while certain Marxists have dogmatically rejected religion on strictly atheist, materialist lines.

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On 4/4/2020 at 7:26 PM, MuhammadFreeman said:

Yeah, US military men, whom Henry Kissinger called "dumb stupid animals" and "pawns of foreign policy", are indeed lining up to destabilize the Middle East just enough so the West can steal their oil.

Western imperialists always rewrite the history of their ancestors. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were acts of terrorism and use of WMDs but majority of the West believes those bombs were justified. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owning hypocritical pedophile rapist. Winston Churchill was a racist/fascist imperialist who caused thousands of Irishmen and Indians, and millions of Bengals to die in famines. Yet the British elevate him to the status of world's greatest Briton, a few spots above Newton and Shakespeare.

"Muslims" aren't a race, so for you to say "Muslims do not come out (to) condemn the imperialism that their forefathers practiced" is an absurd comment. Muslims don't have forefathers because they don't all have the same family tree. Interestingly this is a crusader argument, because it is how crusaders view Muslims in the West. I wonder if this is because you yourself are a crusader, or if you've had your mind colonized by their propaganda.

 

The Middle East did indeed have a golden age, from which you got algebra, and most of the mathematics necessary for the invention of binary computers. It was around this time that Europeans wanted in on some of the knowledge, so they did crusades and stole wealth of information from libraries in the Middle East and then burned them down. They believed this made them a superior civilization. However, Muslims knew this was wicked and foul.

That's not to say there were Muslim imperialists. Indeed there were, and they were given the greenlight to go invade the more civilized parts of the Muslim world by the British. They attacked Mecca which was predominantly Sufi at the time and started demolishing centuries of beautiful shrine architecture because "Innovation is forbidden". Interestingly, and unsurprisingly, it was these very Muslims that found common ground with the white Christian Europeans.

Yeah, US military men, whom Henry Kissinger called "dumb stupid animals" and "pawns of foreign policy",

no denying that western leaders use their poor like pawns just like those of the east but that is offtopic

are indeed lining up to destabilize the Middle East just enough so the West can steal their oil.

its called "conquest" people of middle east should be familiar with it , be thankful their women are not hauled off as slave girls and their kids castrated and used as eunuch 

 

Western imperialists always rewrite the history of their ancestors.

ofcourse they do, so does every imperialist, you choose to criticize ONLY the whites , why ?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were acts of terrorism and use of WMDs but majority of the West believes those bombs were justified.

after what japanese did to asia they deserved a 100 bombs not just 2, 

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owning hypocritical pedophile rapist.

no kidding , so was almost every other statesman /leader before 20th century depending on your defination.Funny you think slave owning is a slur considering you are defending the middle east who have developed an whole industry of slave ownership for thousands of yrs 

Winston Churchill was a racist/fascist imperialist who caused thousands of Irishmen and Indians, and millions of Bengals to die in famines. Yet the British elevate him to the status of world's greatest Briton, a few spots above Newton and Shakespeare.

i agree 100% , he was an utterly horrible individual and deserve all the condmenation and more, yet britain is not trying to emulate the example of churchill despite what they might think of him.If churchill was alive today he will cringe at 99% of what britons do

 

"Muslims" aren't a race, so for you to say "Muslims do not come out (to) condemn the imperialism that their forefathers practiced" is an absurd comment. Muslims don't have forefathers because they don't all have the same family tree. Interestingly this is a crusader argument, because it is how crusaders view Muslims in the West. I wonder if this is because you yourself are a crusader, or if you've had your mind colonized by their propaganda.

muslims are not a race but imperialism of muslim states are essentially ethnic based ummayyads were arab fascists , abbassids favored persians and later turkic groups.Muslims tend to glorify and extol these conquerers and still to this day do not apologize for their crimes.Mongols do the same, but they are so mariginal and remote nobody cares about them.And read the history of muslim conquerers it is full of references about their tribal superority over one another.Race, lineage has played a major role in leadership and conflict throughout history.

Muslims don't have forefathers ? well I'm sorry if you are a convert then really you have nothing to apologize about but many of us our ancestors robbed looted and plundered lands of nonmuslims and we are enjoying the fruits of their labor 

The Middle East did indeed have a golden age, from which you got algebra, and most of the mathematics necessary for the invention of binary computers. It was around this time that Europeans wanted in on some of the knowledge, so they did crusades and stole wealth of information from libraries in the Middle East and then burned them down. They believed this made them a superior civilization. However, Muslims knew this was wicked and foul.

haha , yes europeans were so quest of knowledge that is why 4th crusade turned against the greatest christian city constantinople while fatimids attacked sunni muslims during crusades and vice versa 

all great civilizations from sumerians to chinese made scientic innovations , muslims [ and again you said muslims have no fore fathers so let us not all claim credit for scientific innovations of central asians, turks, persians and arabs shall we ! dont be a hypocrite , if you dont want to own their crimes then you cannot own their achievements either]

That's not to say there were Muslim imperialists. Indeed there were, and they were given the greenlight to go invade the more civilized parts of the Muslim world by the British. They attacked Mecca which was predominantly Sufi at the time and started demolishing centuries of beautiful shrine architecture because "Innovation is forbidden". Interestingly, and unsurprisingly, it was these very Muslims that found common ground with the white Christian Europeans.

wahabi bashing is great , i personally have a visceral hatred for them myself but clearly OFF TOPIC 

btw the same british defended your precious ottoman empire from russians not too later in the 1850s realpolitik is not based on ideology but self interests 

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On 4/4/2020 at 6:21 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam the propaganda about Persians mainly comes from other Pan.x groups that you mentioned & also it’s not first time that you accuse Persians /Iranians without any reliable evidence just based on your poor judgment & low level of your  knowledge about history of Persians/Iranians .

wasalam 

did you not read the post I CLEARLY mentioned excesses and crimes done by ALL middle eastern groups not just persians 

now as a persian nationalist if you have a problem with that then you need to re-assess your views 

persia a country that for 2000 yrs had kingship who fought numerous wars against muslims are not guilty of any crimes ?

please save it 

as a resident of north indian plains you should be paying me reparations for what your ancestors did for hundreds of yrs most recently under nadir shah 

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On 4/20/2020 at 8:02 AM, Northwest said:

@MuhammadFreeman

It is also interesting to point out that the mass of the bourgeois Jews have become increasingly liberal, hedonistic, and opposed to both Orthodox Judaism and high culture. These Jews-in-name-only, intriguingly, are quite willing to dismiss racism and anti-Semitism as things of the past, as intermarriage between secularised Jews and Gentiles is higher than ever, especially in the West. Meanwhile, the effects of deindustrialisation and neoliberal capitalism have further weakened the Yiddish-speaking Jewish working classes. At the same time, bourgeois ecumenism, libertinism, and commodity fetishism are replacing both religious and secular sources of sobriety and solidarity such as religious communities and communist movements. Aside from secularism, the Old (Stalinist, communist) Left of the 1930s had some things in common with Orthodox Jews and observant Muslims: opposition to liberalism, feminism, and homosexuality—although the communists linked these sins to material rather than spiritual sources, citing the role of the ruling bourgeois-feudalist classes, the Christian (WASP) eugenicists, and their capitalist-fascist system. However, the McCarthy-era purges of the hardline, pro-Soviet Marxist-Leninists led to the ascendancy of class collaborationists and postmodernist identity projects in the 1960s.

It is no accident that there has been a concerted Western effort to lump in Islam with the old Cold-War enemy, communism; each of the two systems was and is fundamentally opposed to the basis of inherited wealth, usury, and advocates either redistributionism (Marxism) or equal opportunity (Islam’s ban on interest). The Christian West has also attempted to link Freemasonry to both communism and Orthodox (“Talmudic”) Judaism, even though the latter two, like Islam, are diametrically opposed to the Masons, albeit for varying reasons. The occult basis of Masonry, a bourgeois-feudal institution, is much closer to Christianity than to monotheistic Judaism and Islam, since the concept of the Trinity is rooted in occultist, pagan circles, e.g. (Christianised) Kabbalah. Masonry, like Trinitarian Christianity, has always been tied to the aristocracy, the high priesthood, and the subordinate financial elite. It is syncretistic and tends to merge disparate polytheisms to form a “monotheistic” synthesis, as is seen in both Trinitarian Christianity and New-Age cults. Although the rise of the occult is often blamed on Jewish conspiracy, it is arguably more of a Christian conspiracy: now that the Christian Establishment, over millennia, has destroyed and/or coopted its pagan and Judaeo-Islamic rivals, it is now discarding its “monotheist” façade and going public with the esoteric, Satanist secrets that Rome and its offshoots have always held to.

The current upsurge in anti-Semitism, (overt) fascism, and Zionist-led hostility to Islam is likely to the benefit of the Christian Establishment: a plot to keep Orthodox Jews, observant Muslims, and traditional Marxist secularists apart, and prevent the emergence of a broad anti-imperialist, counter-cultural alliance—an alliance based on a fusion of anti-capitalist and religious values alike. All too often, religious establishments have worked to benefit the capitalist-fascist elite, while certain Marxists have dogmatically rejected religion on strictly atheist, materialist lines.

you raised some very good points , worth pondering over 

i had a book of my dad which was about how communism was a threat to everything holy , it was from 1971.Now you replace communism with islam and you can see the same old stale arguments today in anti-islamic propoganda.

However this does not mean we absolve  muslims and communists of the crimes they committed and do not honor their victims 

 

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