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1 hour ago, Shahrukh K said:

What is the difference between Satan and Iblis ?

Shaytan is a class of creatures among humans and jinn who are basically bad, and Iblis is the name of one specific jinn Shaytan who is the leader of all conspiracies of the enemies against the children of Adam.

Jinn are more firy creatures while nas are more earthy.

WaAllahu Aalam

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7 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

Shaytan is a class of creatures among humans and jinn who are basically bad

salam alykum wrwb

Isn't satan 'a rebellion'?

ws

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On 3/29/2020 at 1:44 PM, 313 Seeker said:

Shaytan is a class of creatures among humans and jinn who are basically bad, and Iblis is the name of one specific jinn Shaytan who is the leader of all conspiracies of the enemies against the children of Adam.

Jinn are more firy creatures while nas are more earthy.

WaAllahu Aalam

It is my understanding......
Satan is not a creature it is only the idea/thought and Iblis is the one who act on that thought.
It is always Satan who whispered to Adam (mankind) not Iblis.
That idea (Satan) is to be rejected.

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On 3/29/2020 at 5:52 PM, Mzwakhe said:

salam alykum wrwb

Isn't satan 'a rebellion'?

ws

wasalaam

the way it is used in the Qur'an is to refer to as enemies of God among humans and Jinn. It is not exactly clearly defined beyond that I believe. In the Taurat literature it is more leaning to what you say I believe, but we would have to research more into that. I'm not an expert in hebrew use of the word, but just studied it a bit.

ws thank you

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23 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

enemies of God among humans

as enemies is understood.

Among man how, within or around or both?

Thus when within, is man what now, a satanic man, a rebellious man, his(la) tribe man or a satan?

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On 4/9/2020 at 1:28 PM, 313 Seeker said:

we

what do you mean by 'we'?

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On 4/10/2020 at 1:10 PM, Mzwakhe said:

as enemies is understood.

Among man how, within or around or both?

Thus when within, is man what now, a satanic man, a rebellious man, his(la) tribe man or a satan?

yes

And thus We have made for every Prophet an enemy - devils (shaytan) from mankind and jinn, 6:12

That to me is evidence that there are shayateen who are ins and shayateen who are jinn

What is interesting is that the Prophet Sulaiman controlled shayteen to force them to work for him. I have a theory that these are the "freemasons"

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On 4/9/2020 at 7:28 AM, 313 Seeker said:

Qur'an is to refer to as enemies of God among humans and Jinn.

This accursed entity (Creation) is  a Direct enemy of The Representatives of Allah(عزّ وجلّ)(Allah(عزّ وجلّ)'s Creation), hence(indirectly) the Enemy of Allah(عزّ وجلّ).(Creator) 

Similarly, This Creation Misguides, and another Creation of Allah(عزّ وجلّ) Guides. 

Above stems from the core/logical/rational Truth that the Creator and Creation are not equal. To make them equal in task, or power or abilities will be creating partners. 

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The story of the fall of Adam told in the Quran is describing the introduction of the Satan (thought virus) into/as human consciousness. 
The eating from the cursed tree represents the acceptance of the Satan. Upon  introduction of the virus (satan), knowledge of good and evil arose. This original sin is the birth of duality, the illusion of separation (did evil exist in nature before the thought of evil arose? Did evil exist in nature before the thought of good arose?). 
Adam was patient zero. From the original thought “I am X” sprouted all further associations of “X” to reality (Adam named the animals). The Satan, via human consciousness, began attaching itself to (the) All. 
The Satan had found fertile ground within human consciousness and spread exponentially, the physical manifestation of the human population growing proportionately. 
The result is a consciousness that is so manipulated by the Satan (why can't You stop thinking?) that it no longer recognizes the sickness, but rather accepts it as the norm. 
Our true nature has been altered to such a degree that we have forgotten who we really are. We believe that Reality is the “X”, which is the greatest deception of all.


 

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On 4/14/2020 at 2:49 PM, Shahrukh K said:

The story of the fall of Adam told in the Quran is describing the introduction of the Satan (thought virus) into/as human consciousness. 
The eating from the cursed tree represents the acceptance of the Satan. Upon  introduction of the virus (satan), knowledge of good and evil arose. This original sin is the birth of duality, the illusion of separation (did evil exist in nature before the thought of evil arose? Did evil exist in nature before the thought of good arose?). 
Adam was patient zero. From the original thought “I am X” sprouted all further associations of “X” to reality (Adam named the animals). The Satan, via human consciousness, began attaching itself to (the) All. 
The Satan had found fertile ground within human consciousness and spread exponentially, the physical manifestation of the human population growing proportionately. 
The result is a consciousness that is so manipulated by the Satan (why can't You stop thinking?) that it no longer recognizes the sickness, but rather accepts it as the norm. 
Our true nature has been altered to such a degree that we have forgotten who we really are. We believe that Reality is the “X”, which is the greatest deception of all.

First of all this Satan vs Iblis is a pointless comparison because they are represented in the Quran as the same entity that dares along with the followers of Iblis respectively (both Jinns and any other creation from God) to challenge The God of Abraham's All-Might and Authority.

I refuse to believe in the metaphorical explanation of the term "Satan/Shaytan" for 2 words: Free Will. The big reason is the fundamental question of Free Will.

Is the concept of Free Will endowed within the Almighty's creations (both Jinns and Humans) a blessing or a curse compared to those creations who have No Free Will (Angels)? How is Satan as an 'ideal' a disease exactly formed through Free Will? By this rationale Most Ideals (At least 99%) formed through our Free Will are a Disease that will not help us achieve salvation and closeness to The Almighty. Therefore, there can be ONLY ONE Ideal (At least 1%) that ALL Human Beings MUST strive for. At least Satan and those who strive on what it means to BE a Satan do not disbelieve in The God of Abraham. But they surely WILL misguide and bring mischief/chaos amongst Humanity and Jinnkind so that None of The Almighty's Free Will endowed Creations would come even close to achieve His salvation, closeness, and truth.

Isn't the beauty of Free Will that creations have the ability to make choices/decisions?

If we are willing to understand the concept of Satan within the context of The Quran's verses as an 'ideal' that can only be formed through creations that are endowed with Free Will from the Almighty then isn't it just as much of a rational argument that Free Will is NOT a Blessing, but an OUTRIGHT Curse from The God of Abraham. At least Angels don't have to think for themselves and simply DO as The Lord commands and wills. Doesn't that ultimately make them superior outright compared to both Jinns and Humans despite The God of Abraham Himself claiming the otherwise where His Free Will endowed Creations are better given that Humans are classified according to Him as Ashraf-al-Makhluqaat (The Superior Creation)?

I have pondered, meditated, and asked this question many times: Is Free Will a Blessing or a Curse? My answer still remains unknown.

Edited by ZethaPonderer
adding furthermore in bold

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3 hours ago, ZethaPonderer said:

First of all this Satan vs Iblis is a pointless comparison because they are represented in the Quran as the same entity that dares along with the followers of Iblis respectively (both Jinns and any other creation from God) to challenge The God of Abraham's All-Might and Authority.

I refuse to believe in the metaphorical explanation of the term "Satan/Shaytan" for 2 words: Free Will. The big reason is the fundamental question of Free Will.

Is the concept of Free Will endowed within the Almighty's creations (both Jinns and Humans) a blessing or a curse compared to those creations who have No Free Will (Angels)? How is Satan as an 'ideal' a disease exactly formed through Free Will? By this rationale Most Ideals (At least 99%) formed through our Free Will are a Disease that will not help us achieve salvation and closeness to The Almighty. Therefore, there can be ONLY ONE Ideal (At least 1%) that ALL Human Beings MUST strive for. At least Satan and those who strive on what it means to BE a Satan do not disbelieve in The God of Abraham. But they surely WILL misguide and bring mischief/chaos amongst Humanity and Jinnkind so that None of The Almighty's Free Will endowed Creations would come even close to achieve His salvation, closeness, and truth.

Isn't the beauty of Free Will that creations have the ability to make choices/decisions?

If we are willing to understand the concept of Satan within the context of The Quran's verses as an 'ideal' that can only be formed through creations that are endowed with Free Will from the Almighty then isn't it just as much of a rational argument that Free Will is NOT a Blessing, but an OUTRIGHT Curse from The God of Abraham. At least Angels don't have to think for themselves and simply DO as The Lord commands and wills. Doesn't that ultimately make them superior outright compared to both Jinns and Humans despite The God of Abraham Himself claiming the otherwise where His Free Will endowed Creations are better given that Humans are classified according to Him as Ashraf-al-Makhluqaat (The Superior Creation)?

I have pondered, meditated, and asked this question many times: Is Free Will a Blessing or a Curse? My answer still remains unknown.

The whole world is under the delusion of Satan, for this illusive power of Allah is very difficult to penetrate. Only those who take refuge in Allah go beyond it.
In other words, it is only by intense devotion and the grace of Allah that we are released from the delusive power of Satan. If we think of this release as the awakening from a dream, we can easily understand that it is not just the person within the dream who must awake, but the dreamer must become awake.

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