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Assalamu Alaikum. My name is [edit] (Revert name : [edit] ) I am a revert from [edit]. I reverted to Islam last year after the end of Ramadan. I would like to know about the Shia Muslims because I have seen sometimes whenever I praised something about Ayatollah Khomeini there are people talked to me because they hate the Shia people. Can you guys be honest with me about the difference ? and if there is any difference will you please explain the difference to me ? And yeah why there are some pictures of Prophet's grandson in a mosque ( are you sure this is the picture of Ali ?). Last question, You folks say 'Ya Ali' which I saw in a documentary about Iran-Iraq war. I never asked a Shia Muslim about it but some Sunni Muslim told me that you guys praise Ali more than the Prophet. Although my another Sunni friend told me not to listen to them and rather ask someone who is a Shia. I finally got this website to ask this question. I had a friend named [edit] from Tehran when I was at university but could not ask many questions to her because I was just a beginner in studying Islam. Hope you guys will answer. Kheyli Doset Daram Azizam

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On 3/27/2020 at 5:34 AM, Guest Sal Bianchi said:

praised something about Ayatollah Khomeini there are people talked to me because they hate the Shia people. Can you guys be honest with me about the difference ? and if there is any difference will you please explain the difference to me ? And yeah why there are some pictures of Prophet's grandson in a mosque ( are you sure this is the picture of Ali ?). Last question, You folks say 'Ya Ali' which I saw in a documentary about Iran-Iraq war. I never asked a Shia Muslim about it but some Sunni Muslim told me that you guys praise Ali more than the Prophet. Although my another Sunni friend told me not to listen to them and rather ask someone who is a Shia. I finally got this website to ask this question. I had a friend named [edit] from Tehran when I was at university

Hi/Salam your problem is a common problem of new converts & reverts & Sunnis that are praising Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) & Khamenei like other sects we have differences & common matters that it explained visually in Islamic pulse channel & site & about saying Ya Ali we don't know Imam Ali (عليه السلام) higher than Prophet Muhammad (pbu) but he is our gate/Wasila for reaching to Prophet Muhammad (pbu) then Allah even Sunni sources have this narration that Prophet Muhammad (pbu) said that " I'm city of knowledge that Ali is it's gate so you can't enter city without passing its gate" that some Sunni sources tried to add Abubakr & Umar as wall & roof of city of knowledge :D & about advising to not talk with Shias it's a common policy of Salafis & wahabists to Isolate new converts from contacting with others to brainwash them that you can see examples of it in reborn section of Ahlul Bayt TV channel & site anyway at the end study all sects then choose it with open mind that we are trying to help you with our best. 

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Waalekum as salaam

 

That is the Glad Tidings which Allah(azwj) Gives to His servants, those who believe and are doing righteous deeds. Say: ‘I do not ask you for recompense over it, except for the cordiality to be for my relatives’. And one who earns good, We will Increase the good for him therein. Surely, Allah is Forgiving, Grateful 
[42:23]


But rather, your Guardian is Allah, and His Rasool, and those who are believing, those who 
are establishing the Salat and are giving the Zakat while they are performing Ruku [5:55] [Imam Ali (عليه السلام)]

 

We Shia Muslims believe in the concept of "Imamat"(which is ordered by Allah(azwj) instead of khilaafat(which Sunnis believe in. and which was "man-made") we believe in twelve Imam's who are Hujjatullah (proof of Allah) and appointed by Allah(azwj) himself and His divine representatives)

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://hubeali.com/khutbat/Hadith-e-Tariq.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj1qOOq6LnoAhUBH7cAHdWfDKcQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2Umoho8I5r2lWZnZjQU_97


(You can read about the defination of imamat known as Hadeeth-e-Tariq by visiting the link above.)

 

The announcement of the wilayat (superintendent guardianship) was done at ghadeer e khum by the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)

O Messenger, deliver whatever has been sent down to you by your Lord. If you do 
not do so, you will not have conveyed His message. God will defend you from mankind: God does not guide disbelieving folk [Chapter 5, The Table, Verse No. 
67]

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.hubeali.com/articles/hube_Sent_Ghadeer_2006.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi-8Lyys8DoAhUi6nMBHUDnCHoQFjABegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2ssjCxHFOapxvpT-2w49WW


Id request you to please check out the link above.

 

We don't consider any Imam (عليه السلام) superior than the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)

Rather we believe all the 14 infallible (pbut) as Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)

(this is also said by the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) Himself when He was asked about the difference between Him and the Imam's)

 

See what Allah(azwj) says about Bibi Fatima (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) (the daughter of the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم))

Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) said: “If you were no there I would not have created the Universe, and if Ali (عليه السلام) was not there then I would not have created you, and if Fatima (عليه السلام) was not there I would not have created both of you.” 


(al Qatra, V 1, P 273)

Also if you want to know more about Ahl-ul-Bait (عليه السلام)(the family of the Holy Prophet) visit below


https://www.hubeali.com/Ahlul Bayt-asws/

 

www.hubeali.com(also visit this website and check out the articles, Holy tafseer(exegesis) of the Holy Qur'an by our Imam's (عليه السلام).

 

Imam reza (عليه السلام) (8th Imam) says :

"Don't test our sayings using your faulty wisdoms. every word of our saying is from Heavenly revelation. we don't say anything by ourself, what ever conversation we take to our tounge is the conversation of Allah(azwj)

(Khutbat e Rizvi p.7 taba mashhad)

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On 3/26/2020 at 9:04 PM, Guest Sal Bianchi said:

I reverted to Islam last year after the end of Ramadan. I would like to know about the Shia Muslims because I have seen sometimes whenever I praised something about Ayatollah Khomeini there are people talked to me because they hate the Shia people.

l had lRl and lranian Revolution in college in the early 80s --taught by a Farsi specialist. And other info sources.

l'd get the same reaction from some Sunni and many chr!stians when l displayed any knowledge about those events and the people involved.

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On 3/26/2020 at 8:04 PM, Guest Sal Bianchi said:

Assalamu Alaikum. My name is [edit] (Revert name : [edit] ) I am a revert from [edit]. I reverted to Islam last year after the end of Ramadan. I would like to know about the Shia Muslims because I have seen sometimes whenever I praised something about Ayatollah Khomeini there are people talked to me because they hate the Shia people. Can you guys be honest with me about the difference ? and if there is any difference will you please explain the difference to me ? And yeah why there are some pictures of Prophet's grandson in a mosque ( are you sure this is the picture of Ali ?). Last question, You folks say 'Ya Ali' which I saw in a documentary about Iran-Iraq war. I never asked a Shia Muslim about it but some Sunni Muslim told me that you guys praise Ali more than the Prophet. Although my another Sunni friend told me not to listen to them and rather ask someone who is a Shia. I finally got this website to ask this question. I had a friend named [edit] from Tehran when I was at university but could not ask many questions to her because I was just a beginner in studying Islam. Hope you guys will answer. Kheyli Doset Daram Azizam

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Ws the main difference really is in belief not practice.

Shia's believe that the Prophet's cousin 'Ali was elected as the caliph at Ghadir Khumm, so his and his followers were the exemplers of Islam. They also believe that the Prophet's final wishes, stated on numerous occasions, was the "hold onto the Qu'ran and ahl al-Bayt" (called Hadith al-Thaqalayn).

After the Prophet's (s) passing a group of the companions were known to have usurped the leadership from 'Ali thus steering Islam into another direction than intended by the Prophet. Eventually the Umayyad dynasty came into power who had a lot of emnity against the Prophet but professed their belief at the conquest of Mecca. Despite the Prophet's compassion with these people, they ended up going to war with 'Ali, Hasan and eventually Husayn (son of 'Ali) who was killed at Karbala under the caliphate of Yazid ibn Mu'awiyah (son of Abu Sufyan). Narrations from Yazid indicate that this was all revenge for 'Ali's performance at the Battles of Badr and Uhud in which his (Yazid's) tribal relatives were defeated in the days before their conversation to Islam..

The Shia belief is that only true Islam can come through the teaching of the Imams who known as the "inheritors of the book" because only they have true authority to interpret the Qu'ran. The belief also differs because the Shi'a do not believe the prophetic companions to be all reliable. This is why many of the esteemed Sunni sources are rejected by the Shi'a as their Imams have informed them how these sources were fabricated to present the rulers with a positive image, despite their negative actions towards the Prophet's (s) family..

Shi'a also place more empahsis on free-will than Sunnis and delve more into theology/kalaam/philosophy discussions. Some Sunnis see this as forbidden and misguided. Shia do not view Sunnis negatively at all a real Shia has compassion. The following hadith should be food for thought (notice they are all taken from non-Shi'a soruces)...

https://sunnah.com/urn/635920

https://sunnah.com/Muslim/44/55

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/33/102

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/6/71

https://sunnah.com/urn/636710

https://sunnah.com/urn/1280870

https://sunnah.com/Muslim/33/11

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The most commonly uttered phrase by Shias around the world is the salawat. In South Asian (India/Pakistan) and even in Iran, the US, etc, it goes: اللهم صل علی محمد و آل محمد

The Saudi Shia of the Eastern Province have a very slight variation in how they say it , but not within the content of the durood itself. The Sunnis however, add a praise to the companions as well.

The salawat praises both the Prophet and the ahlul-bayt, in equal ratio.

As for your questions about the Ayatollah, not every Shia gets on the Iran bandwagon. I'm aware that many do, in fact. In the United States he's an icon of religious identity and perseverance, as Muslims have been through surveillance, hate crimes, and subjugation. In Pakistan it's a stance against imperialism. However, in Saudi, they instead look up to Sheikh Nimr, and his photos can be seen in the ruins of every Shia village that dared to fight back.

This is largely because the Muslim community needs a leader, but Sheikh Nimr has said "loyalty is to Allah alone", there doesn't have to be a leader. However, he still saw the model of Iran's revolution as a good source of inspiration for every country where Muslims are oppressed through colonizers using fake Muslim leaders as puppets, calling for elections and even a Shia secession from Saudi if rights weren't given.

But, not every Shia likes Khomenei, Shia Muslims aren't a hivemind when it comes to beliefs, their beliefs differ depending on where you are. What is common though is love for Allah, the Prophet, and the Ahlul Bayt.

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