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COVID-19 - The Big Picture

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There is growing concern that online disinformation could be having real world health impacts. Research by Dr.. Daniel Allington, senior lecturer in social and cultural artificial intelligence at King’s College London, suggested there was a statistically notable link between people who believed false claims about the coronavirus and people who were willing to flout the government’s social distancing guidelines.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/08/influencers-being-key-distributors-of-coronavirus-fake-news

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2 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

None of these articles says anything about gathering genetic data for biological weapon engineering. 

Yes, research has been conducted to examine genetics of people. We could find plenty of data on Caucasians as well. 

And see the following:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/49843898_Y_chromosome_diversity_among_the_Iranian_religious_groups_A_reservoir_of_genetic_variation

This isn't even the federal government collecting data, it's conducted by private sector researchers of Eastern countries.

The last link leads to an Indian journal, did you read the links that you have posted?

It’s clear that they used NGO s to collect data , if they were trying to collect data through governmental organizations the security services in Iran would stop it or maybe they were giving wrong information to governmental organizations also they collected this information in name of fighting with cancer or finding ancestors that was a hot topic that many people around the world cooperated with  so called NGO s that were spying centers for America & Israel .

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2 hours ago, Reza said:

Not sure why you mistakenly said “Khomeini” a second time now.

No theory is a big leap of imagination, considering it’s been all hands on deck, “all options on the table” for many years now. Considering the extensive backdrop of conflict for decades, to not assume something nefarious as a default position can be seen as naive.

This is purely the early speculative phase before evidence is collected, not the final conclusion on the matter. But it’s telling why some are insistent on shutting some of the doors so early.

We're talking about using genetics of Iranians to construct a virus to attack the Iranian govt. That is what has been implied as a possibility. And that for whatever reason, the US government didn't make a vaccine before releasing it, and rather than sending it straight to Iran, the US released it in an area already known for historical coronavirus outbreaks. And the US for whatever reason was clumsy and thought less of its own weapon until the epicenter shifted back to the US, in which case the US government said, oh shoot, our own weapon is worse than we thought it would be and we are totally unprepared and now we are going to ruin our own economy because we didn't think that a vaccine might be needed.

Nevermind the list of research articles from scientists of multiple nation's that have suggested a natural origin. Nevermind China's previous history with coronavirus. Nevermind coronavirus already being present in bats and pangolins of China. Nevermind the fact that biological organisms of a population undergo billions of mutations annually that could easily produce covid-19. Nevermind anything rational, this is what is being said.

Don't get me wrong, Iran absolutely has reason to distrust the US, but this is above and beyond irrational. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

It’s clear that they used NGO s to collect data , if they were trying to collect data through governmental organizations the security services in Iran would stop it or maybe they were giving wrong information to governmental organizations also they collected this information in name of fighting with cancer or finding ancestors that was a hot topic that many people around the world cooperated with  so called NGO s that were spying centers for America & Israel .

Maybe Alex Jones will buy into this one, but I think I'll pass.

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This is going to sound crazy, because I never thought I could even remotely believe that my beloved country, the United States of America, could have been involved in originating or spreading this deadly plague. And I would have been horrified to think it was motivated by hatred for any of God's people, especially my dearly loved Muslim brothers and sisters. However, I now believe it did come from the heart of Satan, through an American channel. But the object is not Iran. The objects, I now believe, are we, the believers in Jesus, who will never accept the Mark of The Beast, that will be forced on all the world out of fear of Covid-19, through the "life-saving" vaccine... including a micro-chip implanted in the forehead or right hand, prophesied in the book of Revelation, chapter 13.

 

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2 hours ago, lover said:

Is it time for global unconditional basic income, already? How about removing of national borders all together? Maybe, gradually.

l was listening to talk radio Monday. A comment made was: the stores are closed, the parks are closed, the state and national forests, monuments and parks are closed, most of gov't is closed, the schools are closed, . . . but the border is open. Go figure :ko:

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In the movie Aliens it dawns on the characters that they can't use their weapons:

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So, if they fire their weapons in there, won't they rupture the cooling system?
- Yeah. She's absolutely right.
- So what?
This whole station is basically a big fusion reactor.
Right?
So she's talking about a thermonuclear explosion and "Adis, muchachos".
Oh, great. Wonderful.

 

In a similar fashion the penny is beginning to drop that post Covid-19 international travel may no longer be the same, a comment in the FT:

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I predict the cost of travel insurance will sky rocket...and be compulsory on all international flights....it will have to cover the horror of arriving  at the destination airport and being declared covid positive (after having been cleared at the departure airport). Since nobody with covid is allowed on any flight....you cannot head home even if there may be a convenient flight two hours later...so you have to stay 14 days in airport quarantine. This may be a worst case scenario ...but it could spell the end of low cost carriers , since the travel insurance will make  such travel way too expensive.

 

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On 4/6/2020 at 3:06 PM, iCenozoic said:

We're talking about using genetics of Iranians to construct a virus to attack the Iranian govt.

Well, if the US-ers did, the US-er gov't messed up apparently. Last night on the news, a couple of nutworks ran stories about how the Amerikan-Black community is disproportionally dying from C-19.  :cry:

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58 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Well, if the US-ers did, the US-er gov't messed up apparently. Last night on the news, a couple of nutworks ran stories about how the Amerikan-Black community is disproportionally dying from C-19.  :cry:

I wonder if this is natural, cultural (less likely to go to doctor early and/or doctors less attentive), or due to reduced access to healthcare over a lifetime increasing incidence of pre-existing conditions. 

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1 hour ago, notme said:

I wonder if this is natural, cultural (less likely to go to doctor early and/or doctors less attentive), or due to reduced access to healthcare over a lifetime increasing incidence of pre-existing conditions. 

Being overweight is also a risk factor.

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35 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Being overweight is also a risk factor.

That would be an untreated pre-existing medical condition, but I don't know that black Americans are more likely to be overweight than other race Americans. Might be, but I don't know. I do know that poor people have less access to healthy foods and so are more likely to be overweight, but even though black people are more likely to be poor, poor people are more likely to be white. 

Studies have indicated that black mothers are more than twice as likely as all other races to die during childbirth. The belief is that doctors do not take their pain seriously. It is worth considering that the same could be happening here. 

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A local news presenter told this story today that one of her girlfriends lost her job in a covid-19 way and then drank alcohol so much over three days that her children called 9-11.

:fever:

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I keep hearing of reports of false not numbers coming out of China, including the one from an Iranian professional. 

Has anyone else heard these reports? Chinas numbers do seem relatively low compared to most other developed countries.

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2 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

I keep hearing of reports of false not numbers coming out of China, including the one from an Iranian professional. 

Has anyone else heard these reports? Chinas numbers do seem relatively low compared to most other developed countries.

The Chinese numbers are 100% fiction. Also complete fiction is the idea that Western countries had/have no idea what the real numbers are. What are intelligence agencies for?

A reason why the Chinese numbers make no sense (to me) is that for the sake of that number of dead people they ship in thousands of healthcare workers from all over China to help out in Hubei. The latter is not a secret, their media has been boasting about it. 

Well other countries have more dead people than the official Chinese numbers and they've not needed to transport the same train/plane/coach loads of workers from elsewhere.

But remember that China works on a different scale to the rest of us. 20-30 million died in the Taiping rebellion of the mid 19th century.

 

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18 minutes ago, notme said:

These kinds of reports are standard fare..Offhand, if you remember, Bill Clinton talked about bio-security in public in the 90s.

OBTW: France is going to extend its lockdown. Peru and Switzerland have already "extended" their 'measures.'

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Peru, Swiss

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Salam,

Some of you might have heard of David Icke, and especially in the past few weeks there was an interview of his that went viral, which millions of people have watched. Since then he has been banned on many places, and he talks about his view of the bigger picture. Now he came out with a new interview that I will share here. it is over 2 hours long, and I watched it all. It is inspirational and very informative. In addition to this I will share my notes of the main points that I saw as relevant, that summarize the whole thing:

My notes are a mess, but I think you will understand what the point is:

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There is no virus, it is a scam.

 

Crisis created by computer models, and a virus that has not been proven to exist.

 

-COVID 19 test is testing (RTPCR) for DNA that is unrelated to any virus. This DNA was obtained from lungs of dead people in early stages of WUHAN.

 

-Did not use mainstream way of identifying pathogen in some 4-step scientific process, and a lot of people have this genetic material. 

 

RTPCR does not test of how much of the “Virus” you have. You need massive amounts of it to be sick. 

 

Also symptoms are used as reason to put COVID-19 at 

 

-People say the victims died after being tested for COVID 19, and not that they died “from” COVID 19

Lombardi like Wuhan very polluted

-All people who died, died from other diseases such as 99% statistic from those who died in Italy.

-Do not resuscitate” forms, making old people not get treated. which helps more people die from other things

 

They control the figures:

 

Way of test, diagnose, and the way they count, making them control the figures, so they can enforce lockdown

 

Hence, they can control when this thing ends.

 

1 - He believes that that this will be over when

Destroyed economy

2 - Vast people lose their income and depend on state

 

-How can it be ‘gone’ in China? It does not make sense.

 

Computer modeling telling government how many people will die, dictates lockdowns.


In a matter of days/weeks we have gone from what is perceived as “free world” to “fascism, tyranny” by a handful people have billions under lockdown.

 

Gates and Melinda foundation:

 

Heavily involved

 

Bill Gates is second biggest funder of WHO after the US government. 

 

Who is driving this:

 

Pyramid of people and each stage knows less and less. The only way to control the world by having compartmentalization. Everyone below including Doctors “are only following orders”. 

 

G5:

zero testing has been done on 5G, because it is harmful

 

It causes harm and problem with absorbing Oxygen, which is then blamed on COVID-19

 

-Ability to manipulate people psychologically

-Poisons the cells via the Electromagnetic Fields

-Release exosomes as a reaction of being poisoned.

-While isolated, they are building towers as it is considered essential work for top of pyramid - cult. Elon Musk handling this part.

-Using satellites to beam 5G, aiming at 42 thousand, 

-Astronomy society is complaining that it decreases visibility. 

-Elon Musk got permission to handle this during lockdown.

-Technological sub-reality to which the human mind will be connected to via AI, with time frame pointing towards 2030.

 

Doctors are being told that they should treat people with lung problems as though they are COVID-19. 

 

Dr.. In New York describes how the lungs look like people who are simply not getting enough oxygen.

 

60 GigaHerz 5G stops human body and blood absorbing oxygen

 

While on lockdown they are putting 5G in schools and hospitals

 

All the war zone hospitals are empty

 

Ofcom .. government sensor and regulator or British broadcasting , run by lady called Melany something. They told British broadcasters, that they will face serious sanctions if they allow any discussion on radio stations in the connection of 5G and COVID-19

 

-Campaign to ban people who make that connection. 

-No right to free debate

-This ban proves there is a link between the two. “If you can’t win a debate, then don’t have it”.

 

5G towers in parts of UK have been burnt. 

 

Enter nano bots in our bodies that will connect with 5G grid to control us further

 

He was told late 90’s by someone that people already were injected with vaccines that have microchips in them, as well as quantum tatoo. 

 

They said there is 7 vaccines in works for COVID-19 all funded by Bill Gates. 

 

Event 201 simulation Coronavirus pandemic showing exactly how authorities would react, which is what happened - 6 weeks before outbreak. WHO also ran corona virus simulation. John Hopkins in 2018 ran simulation, and same John Hopkins is in charge of figures today. 

Basically if want to come out of lockdown you must be safe and vaccinated. With the quantum tattoo they can track exactly who is vaccinated and who isn’t. 

 

Now democracy is suspended and tracking of people is accepted, just as was done with the beach visitors that were openly tracked to 40 states of the US.

 

People not allowed to gather, so can not protest.

 

If you want to see the plan for the west, look at China today:

 

Millions of face recognition cameras logging behavior

Social credit scores

When level is low enough, banned from flying or using train

Total and utter control

 

Moving into Orwelian society where synthetic food is controlled by government. Restaurants have been destroyed on a large scale and if they control food, they will control you. With nano technology via vaccines and AI they will control thoughts. Some Google guy said that by 2030 humans will have human thinking will be connected to AI, until they become one. Elon Musk came out to say AI could be end of humanity. Same guy started company called Neurolink that connects humans to computers. Also Tesla making autonomous cars that make computers in control of where you go. So government can control where you go. “Smart Motorways” being built. Destroying taxi business, including uber. Phasing out diesel and petrol cars with excuse of saving environment. 

 

Destroy business and employment to create mass global dependency on the state. Via “stimulus packages”. Then destroy one government economy after the other. Next step is to say the old economic system doesn’t work, so we need a new one. The new one will be an electronic system that they will be aware of every purchase, and in power to decide who can buy and who can’t.

 

They say money is dangerous because you can get virus from it. So when you go into a shop and the card is not working, you won’t be able to say “ok, I’ll pay with cash”.

 

Cash —> card —> phone —> microchip 

 

Technocratic party of Canada … Elon Musk’s grandfather was part of this that advocated a society as such.

 

Handful of psychopaths and idiots 

 

 

His solution:

 

We got into this mess through the acquiescence or illusion of power. Once we realize the truth, we will see that the few don’t have any power. 

 

It seems that the world has to get real bad before people realize that the world is not run the way we think it goes. So this is not just a danger, but a beautiful opportunity. A lot of people’s perception of the world will have changed in the past 3 weeks. We will see in the weeks to come what impact that mass realization of the perception of power will have. This could be the turning point when humanity will get off its knees.

 

This power has power by convincing us that they have power. We have chance to break the mind spell and see behind the curtain. We see that they are not powerful at all.

 

This cult has broken cover and entered the room with the door closing behind them. Now it is a new game. 

 

We should not fear them, because we are more powerful than they. 

 

The cult is feeding off fear of people. And the conflict comes when people try to impose their opinions and beliefs on others. Celebrating diversity and uniqueness and different ways and angles of seeing things, to learn from each other. Not the “I am right”. Everyone has a right to their opinion, and nobody is all right or all wrong, just in degrees.

 

This cult is locking down all of humanity regardless of religion. Let this be the time when we see the fallacy of allowing ourselves to be controlled by dividing and conquering us. The same hands are holding all the strings while we fight down here. We are in this together and get out together. “Do what you feel to be right, do what you know to be right, and you will be a unique contribution”. “We are all great, and most people have forgotten.”

 

 

The video link to the interview is below:

https://www.[Edited Out]ute.com/video/LDjFqF7nhqlK/?fbclid=IwAR37v269Ea2W30g0DRqB9gm9hOc8BJHE42zD_Fnh2pIiLM_s5qymthg99vM

 

Thank you

 

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2 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

Some of you might have heard of David Icke, and especially in the past few weeks there was an interview of his that went viral

 

2 hours ago, 313 Seeker said:

There is no virus, it is a scam.

Connect those dots. 

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Salam,

I would like to ask you all dear brothers and sisters to pray hard tonight, and if possible every night, that this crisis doesn't get highjacked by the hezbulshaytan who are planning to create a horrible world for us and our children. We want to live in a free world with a good economic system free of interest, and no mad totalitarian sensoring of Truth, no mad surveillance, no tyranny and anti Islamic campaigns. Do your duty to your Imam El zaman, and pray hard for the victory of Allah in the heavens and on Earth. Pray that the satanic Zionist wahabi movement led by Iblis, sufiani, and mesih El dajjal fails in every way sooner rather than later. Pray against them tonight. Pray against the enemies of the Imam who are your enemies. Please pray, because maybe God will turn the tides because of your duas. Please, we don't want to live in a horrible world without liberties and while we are being controlled by anti Islamic psychopaths who worship Satan (God forbid). Please pray and please hurry, and do it from the heart . 

Thank you

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On 4/8/2020 at 8:48 PM, iCenozoic said:

I keep hearing of reports of false not numbers coming out of China, including the one from an Iranian professional. 

Has anyone else heard these reports? Chinas numbers do seem relatively low compared to most other developed countries.

Hi this is just another political issue in Iran between politicians  in current  government that are trying to keep alive Iran-America talks by bashing China & making a delusion that Iran is colonizing by China & Russia instead of corporation with them to fight corona virus. 

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Have you guys seen The Matrix?"

Do you remember when Trinity removed the bug from Neo? If you haven't seen the Matrix, the go see it now!

This is really happening now via nano bots that will be linked to 5G, and can be injected with vaccines.

Nano bots looking like spiders in the size of a red blood cell.

DNA-repair nanobots

Are we already bugged?

 

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20 minutes ago, 313 Seeker said:

This is really happening now via nano bots that will be linked to 5G, and can be injected with vaccines.

Hold on, hold on, wait wait wait! 

How are these 5g satellites orbiting the Earth? 

Is the Earth flat and there is no danger from orbiting satellites controlling us through vaccines, or is the Earth a sphere spinning in space and we have launched satellites to orbit it, which you say we should fear? 

Maybe you should stick to one conspiracy theory at a time. 

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44 minutes ago, notme said:

Hold on, hold on, wait wait wait! 

How are these 5g satellites orbiting the Earth? 

Is the Earth flat and there is no danger from orbiting satellites controlling us through vaccines, or is the Earth a sphere spinning in space and we have launched satellites to orbit it, which you say we should fear? 

Maybe you should stick to one conspiracy theory at a time. 

this video isn't about satellites is it .. 

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1 hour ago, 313 Seeker said:

this video isn't about satellites is it .. 

No idea. I don't watch videos. I only read. 

And what I've read is that 5G will be delivered by a network of 1000 satellites, in addition to smaller towers than current 4G needs. 

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9 minutes ago, notme said:

No idea. I don't watch videos. I only read. 

And what I've read is that 5G will be delivered by a network of 1000 satellites, in addition to smaller towers than current 4G needs. 

Yes Elon Musk is rolling it out as we speak. It's a pity you don't watch that video, but then again maybe it's better. This one specifically is hard to digest. If you want to discuss satellites, then on another thread please. Thank you 

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Just now, 313 Seeker said:

Yes Elon Musk is rolling it out as we speak. It's a pity you don't watch that video, but then again maybe it's better. This one specifically is hard to digest. If you want to discuss satellites, then on another thread please. Thank you 

Yes. Compartmentalization helps a lot with maintaining flawed logic.

If you want to discuss conspiracy theories about vaccines and 5G communication, shouldn't those be elsewhere too, not in a discussion of conspiracy theories surrounding COVID-19? 

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2 minutes ago, notme said:

Yes. Compartmentalization helps a lot with maintaining flawed logic.

why flawed logic? You are being off topic. If you want to discuss flat Earth concepts, then that is the wrong thread, wouldn't you agree?

2 minutes ago, notme said:

If you want to discuss conspiracy theories about vaccines and 5G communication, shouldn't those be elsewhere too, not in a discussion of conspiracy theories surrounding COVID-19? 

not if the conspiracy theories are related to the COVID-19 mania. We are discussing the big picture, and just because you don't like what some people say, or their opinions of the big picture, you don't need to get upset at it. Not good for your heart!

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