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1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

she said before mmr vaccine. Other vaccines could very well have caused it as well.

Again, that idea of vaccines is based on a flawed and biased study as she also mentioned.

 

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

shaytan and his army conspire everyday every second, so why not? why can't the vaccination program be part of it?

Why can't Shaytan (la) and his minions influence the anti vaccination activists? Especially since they enjoy human suffering, fitnah and getting people to turn away and forsake Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)

Let's not project our beliefs into this and resort to appeals of emotion, the cold, hard fact remains that less than 1% of the people that received vaccines between 2006-2018 were harmed by them. Where's the deadly outbreak of vaccine strain measles or rubella?

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

No, I don't fear anyone or anything but Allah.

Your posts seem to suggest otherwise, government cover ups, vaccines and reptile aliens.

 

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

There are also those who mix truth with falsehood.

Truth mixed with falsehood is still falsehood.

1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

I never said this. But this could still hold true even though very rare.

True, but you quoted a former financial specialist with no medical knowledge as proof that vaccines are dangerous. 

2 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Was it about the father that was going to hold a speech and prepared himself with crocodile tears right after having a big laugh and smile?

If I remember correctly, the man eventually killed himself after two years of being verbally abused and mentally tormented by one of those so called "truthers". 

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5 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

 there are studies that show that vaccine does cause autism. There are also studies that show vaccines don't cause autism. Which one do we believe? Both can't be right. And both could very well be flawed and misleading.

This is false.

There was one fraudulent and fabricated article which claimed that the MMR vaccine causes autism. 

Due to the highly damaging spread of this article, which was not based on any valid research, scientists have debunked this claim dozens if not hundreds of times. 

And actually I am a scientist, but not an immunologist. I am scientifically literate, and after my first child was diagnosed with autism in 2003 I've read a lot of research, maybe not as much as a pediatric neurodevelopmental doctor, but definitely more than most people. I've also read a lot of pop-sci articles claiming to have all the answers. Those pop-sci articles all have one thing in common - they're consistently wrong. 

If you feel a need to question my scientific literacy, I can pm you the list of papers that I've co-authored. As I said, I'm not an immunologist but I've read a lot and I've understood what I've read. 

Vaccines absolutely do not cause autism.

And even if they did, autism is better than death from preventable illness. 

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3 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

If I remember correctly, the man eventually killed himself after two years of being verbally abused and mentally tormented by one of those so called "truthers".

Do you have source for this?

3 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Why can't Shaytan (la) and his minions influence the anti vaccination activists? Especially since they enjoy human suffering, fitnah and getting people to turn away and forsake Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)

They certainly do. They play all the roles and sides. Therefore we have to question everything.

 

1 hour ago, notme said:

If you feel a need to question my scientific literacy, I can pm you the list of papers that I've co-authored. As I said, I'm not an immunologist but I've read a lot and I've understood what I've read

I respect that.

 

1 hour ago, notme said:

Vaccines absolutely do not cause autism.

And even if they did, autism is better than death from preventable illness.

I personally believe vaccine can and do cause many autoimmune diseases, many researchers do also agree with this.

I posted a interview between Robert F kennedy JR (nephew of JFK) and a doctor named Theresa Deisher. I highly suggest you guys watch the video, it's very intersting. They go into vaccine ingredients such as human and animal cell lines, autoimmune diseases,  aborted babies,. Watch the whole video please and let me hear your thoughts.

 

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HPV Vaccines: A Danish Documentary

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Thursday, March 26, 2015, TV2 one of Denmark’s national television stations aired a Danish documentary on HPV vaccines entitled, The Vaccinated Girls – Sick and Betrayed. It focused on the condition of 3 girls suffering from serious new medical conditions after being vaccinated against HPV with Gardasil. The one thing they have in common with thousands of other girls around the world is they were healthy before they got the vaccine – now, they are seriously ill.

All three girls have been examined from head to toe with no conclusive diagnosis and no help with their symptoms, much like the girls in other countries where HPV vaccines are being used.

During the documentary, two Danish doctors from Frederiksberg Hospital said they have never seen anything similar to this during their entire careers. Both doctors said they had sent correspondence to the Danish Health and Medicines Authority a total of four times during the last year to warn them of possible adverse events after HPV injections.

Dr. Louise Brinth of Frederiksberg Hospital has personally examined around 80 girls whom she suspects may be suffering adverse effects of HPV vaccinations. She states:

They are all dizzy, they pass out, and so the vast majority of them severe headache – often chronic headaches. They have abdominal pain and nausea. They have weird muscle movements, they cannot control. And they’re very tired….

We see a pattern that screams to heaven, and that should be examined by some solid research.

Danish Director of Health, Henrik G. Jenson agrees but stated:

Yes, there is a pattern, but it is not the same as saying that there is a connection. When we see a pattern in how some reports, there is a basis for making some more explanations, and delve into this stuff. Now, the fact that the vaccine is approved by the European Medicines Agency EMA, and that is, they are the ones who make the safety assessmen

https://sanevax.org/hpv-vaccines-a-danish-documentary/

https://www.cancer.org/healthy/hpv-vaccine.html

https://sanevax.org/gardasil-carnage-continues-france/

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/gardasil-vaccine-safety

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Dr. Efraim Siegler, president of the Israeli Society of Colposcopy and Cervical Pathology, supports administering the HPV vaccine.

"The new reports describe specific cases, but there are huge studies that focused on the possible link between immunological diseases and cervical cancer, and found no such link," he said.

https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-hpv-shot-for-teen-girls-being-reconsidered-1.5328902

Pros, cons, and ethics of HPV vaccine in teens—Why such controversy?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4708146/

https://ijme.in/articles/lessons-learnt-in-japan-from-adverse-reactions-to-the-hpv-vaccine-a-medical-ethics-perspective/?galley=html

https://sanevax.org/hpv-vaccine-trials-in-india-is-merck-above-the-law/

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/contentassets/6adf7b5f24b54399a5b42ef47c50b275/human-papilloma-virus-vaccination-boys-swedish-national-vaccination-programme.pdf

Dynamic changes in Japan’s prevalence of abnormal findings in cervical cytology depending on birth year

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23947-6

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When should a vaccine not be administrated?
The vaccine for papilloma virus cannot be administered in following cases:
During pregnancy
Study show that being administrated the vaccine during pregnancy doesn’t harm the fetus, however, to be on the safe side, and until more information concerning this issue becomes available, it is not recommended for a pregnant woman to receive vaccine doses against the papilloma virus up to the end of the pregnancy. 
Provided and a severe reaction to a previous dose of the vaccine has occurred.
When suffering from an ailment accompanied with fever – in this case the vaccine administration is to be postponed up to the recovery.  

https://www.health.gov.il/English/Topics/Vaccination/HPV/Pages/default.aspx

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[۱] Human papillomavirus infection Link

[۲] What's the difference between HPV and HIV? Link

[۳] HIV Link

[۴] HIV/AIDS Link

[۵] HPV Link

[۶] Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Link

[۷] Reducing HPV-Associated Cancer Globally Link

[۸] Human Papillomavirus–Associated Cancers — United States, ۲۰۰۴–۲۰۰۸ Link

[۹] Prevention of Genital HPV Infection and Sequelae: Report of an External Consultants’ Meeting Download

[۱۰] Condom Use and the Risk of Genital Human Papillomavirus Infection in Young Women Link

[۱۱] Human Papillomavirus and Rising Oropharyngeal Cancer Incidence in the United States Link

[۱۲] HPV prophylactic vaccines and the potential prevention of noncervical cancers in both men and women Link

[۱۳] High incidence of cervical human papillomavirus infection in women during their first sexual relationship Link

[۱۴] Risk of Female Human Papillomavirus Acquisition Associated with First Male Sex Partner Link

[۱۵] What is human papillomavirus (HPV)? Link

[۱۶] What Can Parents Do? Link

[۱۷] Genital HPV Infection - Fact Sheet Link

[۱۸] Sexually Transmitted Infections Among US Women and Men: Prevalence and Incidence Estimates, ۲۰۰۸ Link

[۱۹] Gardasil: Preventing or Inducing Cancer? Link

[۲۰] HPV Vaccine Researcher Blasts Mandatory Marketing Link

[۲۱] Merck & Co. Link

[۲۲] The New Gardasil: Is It Right For Your Daughter? Link

[۲۳] Gardasil: Guarding or Gutting Our Youth? Link

[۲۴] Almost ۶۵۰ girls needed medical intervention after HPV vaccine Link

[۲۵] Comparison of HPV prevalence between HPV-vaccinated and non-vaccinated young adult women (۲۰-۲۶ years) Link

[۲۶] Gardasil: The Carnage Continues in France Link

[۲۷] Gardasil: Criminal complaint filed in Spain Link

[۲۸] Court told of ‘horrendous adverse effects’ of HPV vaccine Link

[۲۹] HPV Vaccines: A Danish Documentary Link

[۳۰] HPV Vaccines Exposed: Subterfuge in a Syringe? Link

[۳۱] HPV Vaccine Trials in India: Is Merck above the law? Link

[۳۲] Health Risks Push Ministry to Reconsider HPV Vaccine for Teen Girls Link

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/861860/تمام-آن-چه-باید-درباره-HPV-بدانید-و-ماه-عسل-به-شما-نگفت-فیلم

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15 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

How could you believe for  example, that an English or a finance major would more know about the human body than people with medical education, experience and careers in healthcare?

Exactly, so why are people running to Bill Gates like he knows anything about global health?

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Just now, Abdul-Hadi said:

Exactly, so why are people running to Bill Gates like he knows anything about global health?

 

See this for the answer:

 

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Like most other scientific discoveries, vaccines too have their merits and demerits. No one has ever claimed that vaccines are 100% risk free. Antibiotics have their side effects and so do OTC painkillers. If I wanted to start an 'anti painkiller' thread I could posts scientific paper after paper from reputable journals on the side effects of Paracetamol/Tylenol/Acetaminophen (whatever they call it where you live) But that's not the point. The thing here is judicious use of drugs and vaccines.

Before we had a vaccine for it small pox was a pandemic.It killing hundreds and thousands and left millions blind. Do we want to turn back time, refuse small pox vaccine and continue having similar outbreaks?

Different countries have different protocols. Where I live vaccination isn't regulated by law, hence I chose only the ones for my kids that I felt essential. Other countries might have it different and while the governments might not always have people's well being as the top priority( pharmaceuticals is a multibillion dollar industry) I don't think they are purposely out to harm or disable people. If one seriously thinks that is the case then he should probably consider moving out from the dystopian country. 

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9 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Do you have source for this?

Yes: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/31/sandy-hook-shooting-suicide-parents-fake-news-conspiracy

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In the eyes of the internet Sandy Hook has become synonymous with the most macabre and vicious case study in conspiracy theory. From the day after the shooting the inhuman suggestions that the murders had been “staged” by the American “deep state” or “the anti-gun lobby”, that the grieving parents were “crisis actors”, and that their children had not been murdered at all, has been fuelled and spread across social media.

It is impossible to comprehend the effect that those accusations might have on families like Richman’s. Another Newtown father, Lenny Pozner, whose six-year-old son Noah was killed alongside Avielle, has made it his mission to try to clear the internet of the conspiracies. As a result he had been hounded for years with death threats that have forced him to move house eight times for his own safety. Last Tuesday, in response to the news of Richman’s death, Pozner tweeted a quote from Dr David Schonfeld, director of the National Center for School Crisis and Bereavement in Los Angeles. “The loss of the assumptive world, on top of the actual trauma, can set off a cascade of events …”

 

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11 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

They go into vaccine ingredients such as human and animal cell lines, autoimmune diseases,  aborted babies,.

This is a blatant lie, autoimmune diseases cause the immune system to be to be weakened or destroyed, e.g. HIV and AIDS. As I mentioned before, vaccines fortify the immune system with antibodies.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

Here's an actual list of ingredients in vaccines. No mention of aborted fetuses or human and animal cells. Whomever you're getting your information from is lying to you.

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l have the weekday C-19 report on.

The county health director said that in a typical April there are about 8,000 childhood vaccinations. This year there was 32 in her county.

She also said that childhood vaccinations are down 45% thoughout the state.

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1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

l have the weekday C-19 report on.

The county health director said that in a typical April there are about 8,000 childhood vaccinations. This year there was 32 in her county.

She also said that childhood vaccinations are down 45% thoughout the state.

That's because people are delaying routine appointments, not because they are specifically about vaccination. Nobody wants to take their children out and risk then becoming sick or carrying sickness to other family members. 

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7 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

That is not the same guy. I have never mentioned him. Besides maybe he got murdered or maybe not. This is not unusual during false flag events.

 

5 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

This is a blatant lie, autoimmune diseases cause the immune system to be to be weakened or destroyed, e.g. HIV and AIDS. As I mentioned before, vaccines fortify the immune system with antibodies.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

Here's an actual list of ingredients in vaccines. No mention of aborted fetuses or human and animal cells. Whomever you're getting your information from is lying to you.

Wrong. Thats not all of the ingredients what you posted. Did you even watch the video? Have you even checked vaccine ingredient list?

Lets check togheter.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf

MMR: WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts

HEP A: MRC-5 cellular proteins

HEP A / HEP B (TWINRIX): MRC-5 cellular proteins

MMRV: MRC-5 cellular proteins, including DNA & protein

VARICELLA (CHICKENPOX): MRC-5 human diploid cells, including DNA & protein

ZOSTER (SHINGLES: MRC-5 human diploid cells, including DNA & protein

WI-38: "WI-38 is a diploid human cell line composed of fibroblasts derived from lung tissue of a 3-month-gestation aborted female fetus."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WI-38

"Vaccines produced in WI-38 include those made against adenoviruses, rubella, measles, mumps, varicella zoster, poliovirus, hepatitis A and rabies"

MRC-5: "MRC-5 is a diploid human cell culture line composed of fibroblasts, originally developed from research deriving lung tissue of a 14 week old aborted Caucasian male fetus." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRC-5

"MRC-5 cells are currently used to produce several vaccines including for MMR, varicella and polio"

 

@Gaius I. Caesar@notme@starlight@hasanhh

Where in islam is this halal, to use aborted babies for scientific research and then inject it into the human body? now before you try to give me a scientific answer why it's necenssary, imagine if it would be your own child.

 

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3 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

now before you try to give me a scientific answer why it's necenssary, imagine if it would be your own child.

I won't engage in appeals of emotion,  but I would consider the fetus a matyr. I wonder what you think of the animal substitute, COS-1, from the kidney tissue of the African green monkey? Is that also haram?

Regardless, the cells don't have a nafs. This isn't lung or kidney tissue being injected into people, the cells are simply grown from the tissue and used in the vaccine. That's what hasanhh was trying to say.

I won't let you exaggerate and lie about fetuses and autoimmune diseases being ingredients in vaccines that could save lives. 

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2 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

I wonder what you think of the animal substitute, COS-1, from the kidney tissue of the African green monkey? Is that also haram?

Vero cell, yes I know about them. Why would you want to inject monkey cell into your body?

 

2 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Regardless, the cells don't have a nafs. This isn't lung or kidney tissue being injected into people, the cells are simply grown from the tissue and used in the vaccine. That's what hasanhh was trying to say.

I won't let you exaggerate and lie about fetuses and autoimmune diseases being ingredients in vaccines that could save lives. 

You said I was lying about aborted baby cells being used in vaccines. I showed you I didn't. You can see my reply above if you havn't checked it yet.

What are you talking about?, read the ingredient list again.

WI-38: "WI-38 is a diploid human cell line composed of fibroblasts derived from lung tissue of a 3-month-gestation aborted female fetus.

MRC-5: "MRC-5 is a diploid human cell culture line composed of fibroblasts, originally developed from research deriving lung tissue of a 14 week old aborted Caucasian male fetus

Both of them are in several types of vaccines that we inject into our body.

MRC-5 human diploid cells, including DNA & protein

WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblast

2 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

but I would consider the fetus a matyr

So just because they are martyrs we can use them for scientific research and inject into our body to "save lives"?

 

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10 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Where in islam is this halal, to use aborted babies for scientific research and then inject it into the human body? now before you try to give me a scientific answer why it's necenssary, imagine if it would be your own child.

Melt downs and emotional statements like these don't work in real life.

Calm down.

I emailed Ayatullah Sistani years ago about this.

 

In the Name of God, the Most High

 

یجوز

It is permissible.

 

May Allah grant you success.

www.sistani.org

Istifta Section - Office of His Eminence Al-Sayyid Ali Al-Sistani

 

From: [mailto:******@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 11:28 PM
To: Istifta Section - Office of His Eminence Al-Sayyid Ali Al-Husseini Al-Sistani
Subject: Human DNA in vaccines

 

Name: ******
Email: ********@gmail.com
Country: Pakistan -
Gender: Female
Your tracking number: 626078
Subject: Human DNA in vaccines
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Question: Salam,

Most of the vaccines that are manufactured these days contain trace amounts of human DNA obtained from aborted fetuses. Is it okay to use such vaccines in oral or injectable form?

W/s

Prefered response language: English

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10 minutes ago, starlight said:

Melt downs and emotional statements like these work in real life.

Calm down.

I emailed Ayatullah Sistani years ago about this.

 

In the Name of God, the Most High

 

یجوز

It is permissible.

 

May Allah grant you success.

www.sistani.org

Istifta Section - Office of His Eminence Al-Sayyid Ali Al-Sistani

 

From: [mailto:******@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 11:28 PM
To: Istifta Section - Office of His Eminence Al-Sayyid Ali Al-Husseini Al-Sistani
Subject: Human DNA in vaccines

 

Name: ******
Email: ********@gmail.com
Country: Pakistan -
Gender: Female
Your tracking number: 626078
Subject: Human DNA in vaccines
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Question: Salam,

Most of the vaccines that are manufactured these days contain trace amounts of human DNA obtained from aborted fetuses. Is it okay to use such vaccines in oral or injectable form?

W/s

Prefered response language: English

You got the response from his representatives. I am not suprised by the response.

However now it gets very interesting.

 

 

Indonesia’s top Muslim authority has issued a fatwa against the measles vaccine, declaring it religiously forbidden but leaving room for its use out of necessity.

The Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) says the country’s measles and rubella vaccine contains ingredients derived from pigs, which are forbidden in Islam.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4401414/indonesia-fatwa-measles-vaccines/

 

We can use human protein and DNA in vaccines but not pig cells. This is hilarious. And just confirms my point, Muslims only care about the "no Pig and no Alcohol rule". They don't care about anything else. Slowly we are turning into cannibals. You know, shaytans and his army, they love blood and human meat. You don't suspect one of their worships to their "gods" to be us injecting ourselves with murdered baby cells?

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3 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

Indonesia’s top Muslim authority has issued a fatwa against the measles vaccine

I follow my marja. I do not follow the indonesians. My Marja does not sit at a laptop answering emails. You are getting nowhere with your childish arguments.

5 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

You got the response from his representatives. I am not suprised by the response

I spent time going through a folder in my computer looking for this fatwa and this is now to brush it off. See, this is why I said I won't waste time talking about immunology and explaing how vaccines work, lol. 

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23 minutes ago, starlight said:

Most of the vaccines that are manufactured these days contain trace amounts of human DNA obtained from aborted fetuses. Is it okay to use such vaccines in oral or injectable form?

And you are a medical practitioner, correct? Why did you send an email to the representatives of sistani? What did your own mind/gut say about this?

 

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2 minutes ago, starlight said:

I follow my marja. I do not follow the indonesians. My Marja does not sit at a laptop answering emails. You are getting nowhere with your childish arguments.

The shias havn't even raised a finger yet regarding this as far I could find. Why are the representatives of our marjas quiet about vaccines?

 

3 minutes ago, starlight said:

I spent time going through a folder in my computer looking for this fatwa and this is now to brush it off.

I appreciate what you did.

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1 hour ago, AkhiraisReal said:

The shias havn't even raised a finger yet regarding this as far I could find

Salam this is not true anyway there is groups in Iran that are against it but they just focused about it inside  Iran anyway current source for producing stem cells in Iran is from Cord blood (umbilical cord blood) & Bone marrow not fetus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_blood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_marrow

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Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi, a Shiite Marja, said in response to a reporter's question about the use of the Corona vaccine if it was made in Israel that it was "not permissible to buy or sell such a vaccine." "Unless the treatment is unique and there is no alternative, then there is no problem."

آیت الله مکارم شیرازی، مرجع تقلید شیعه، در پاسخ به سوال خبرنگار روزنامه همدلی درباره استفاده از واکسن کرونا در صورتی که ساخت اسرائیل باشد، گفت خرید و فروش چنین واکسنی «جایز نیست. مگر اینکه درمان منحصر به آن باشد و جایگزینی نداشته باشد، که در این صورت مانعی ندارد.»

https://www.bartarinha.ir/fa/news/971142/حکم-آیت‌الله-مکارم-درباره-واکسن-کرونا

a shiite perspective toward abortion (Pdf)

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ABSTRACT. All schools of Islamic jurisprudence regard abortion as wrong and forbidden and allow abortion only before the stage of ensoulment

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj8kLGp55nqAhUGxMQBHTM7DOMQFjACegQIAhAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdaru.tums.ac.ir%2Findex.php%2Fdaru%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F7%2F7&usg=AOvVaw2nIX7k344r_zZXuFrd58n0

Therapeutic abortion in Islam: Contemporary views of Muslim Shiite scholars and effect of recent Iranian legislation

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6721315_Therapeutic_abortion_in_Islam_Contemporary_views_of_Muslim_Shiite_scholars_and_effect_of_recent_Iranian_legislation

Human embryonic stem cell science and policy: The case of Iran

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Adhering to this policy, Iranian scientists would work only on 'spare' IVF embryos and they were not allowed to generate embryos for research purposes. However, a few interviewees considered the policy to be 'open-minded'. For instance, one ethics committee member noted that:

We should go towards treating human by this method [hESC research and therapy] but we have to consider the ethical debates. This is our duty. There is no prohibition [on hESC research] in Iran and our policy is open-minded. Our research institutes are very active in hESC science to find the cure for debilitating diseases. (Theologian/Ethics Committee Member/30/Male)

The Supreme Leader often cites the Qur'an's emphasis on preventing human illness and suffering as evidence that SC research and Islam are compatible; the fatwas permitting biomedical research in Iran are the product of such science-friendly interpretations. Iran's stem cell fatwa stresses the admissibility of destroying spare IVF embryos in order to collect SCs for research. However, there are limits: the Supreme Leader has warned Iranian scientists "to be careful that producing identical parts of human beings does not lead to producing a human being." (Iran News, 2013) 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3988836/

 

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On 6/23/2020 at 7:15 AM, AkhiraisReal said:

 

 

Got some "error" so i couldn't watch the video. Anyway i found this:

One of the more interesting questions Mr. Kennedy asked Dr. Deisher was why the manufacturers of vaccines switched from exclusively using animal tissue to culture viruses for vaccines, to start using aborted fetal tissue some years back.

Dr. Deisher’s reply was that the industry we getting a lot of pressure from the animal rights movement to stop using animals for experimentation.

Mr. Kennedy was shocked, and stated:

It’s kind of weird to think that the animal rights activists have more clout with the vaccine companies than do the anti-abortion activists.

Dr. Deisher replied:

They do. And you know what’s really alarming is the lack of outcry over human babies born alive at five to six months old so that their hearts can be obtained beating. And they have to be beating to be used in the research that’s being done.
If the heart has stopped beating, it’s not useful. You cannot use it.
And so these babies are delivered alive, and their hearts cut out without anesthesia.
I wouldn’t do that to a mouse….

If the bold part is true, then it’s a satanic act whichever way you look at it.

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57 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Human embryonic stem cell science and policy: The case of Iran

Farsi articles & interviews about it

https://www.fardanews.com/fa/news/121480/نظر-فقه-شيعه-درباره-سلولهای-بنيادی-جنينی

http://journals.sbmu.ac.ir/mf/article/view/23759

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2 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

 

 

And you are a medical practitioner, correct? Why did you send an email to the representatives of sistani? What did your own mind/gut say about this?

 

Because there was someone else on SC three years ago asking this question.

https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/dna

 

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@AkhiraisReal  Do everyone and yourself a favour and read some biology instead of conspiracy theories. You will know DNA is just a sequence of nucleotides. Humans share DNA with many animals, plants(bananas, lettuce)  and microorganisms like bacteria and viruses. You cannot present a solid argument without having a core knowledge of the subject. You have been jumping all over - from the medical to emotional and finally religious aspects without being able to back up a single claim. 

A few days back someone in a whtsapp group was sending long voice notes and post after post of how Corona deletes the 'islamic gene' from human brains claiming it was backed up by years of research. When I asked him for the research paper he couldn't bring up one. When I looked up the gene I found nothing of the sort. 

We should aim on quality and not quantity.

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39 minutes ago, starlight said:

Do everyone and yourself a favour and read some biology instead of conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy theories? I just listed the ingredients in several of the vaccine which contain DNA and protein from aborted male and female baby. Is that conspiracy theory? You even know this yourself, that's why you sent sistanis office that email. And the reason you sent it, was beecause you had a gut feeling that it might not be halal after all. Otherwise why would you bother send that email?

 

2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi, a Shiite Marja, said in response to a reporter's question about the use of the Corona vaccine if it was made in Israel that it was "not permissible to buy or sell such a vaccine." "Unless the treatment is unique and there is no alternative, then there is no problem."

If a vaccine is created in israel we can't use it. But if the vaccine has aborted baby cells in it, we can use it......wow.

 

@justAnothermuslim Thank you brother that you took the time to watch the video. Yes it's very saddening. Those people are not even muslim, some of them don't even believe in the hereafter, yet they question the vaccine industry and the ethics of it.

48 minutes ago, starlight said:

You cannot present a solid argument

Argument about what exactly? What have you asked me that I havn't answered or you didn't understand? Did you watch the video?

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29 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

But if the vaccine has aborted baby cells in it, we can use it......wow.

What exactly is the issue with aborted baby cells, or does it just sound icky?

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42 minutes ago, AkhiraisReal said:

If a vaccine is created in israel we can't use it. But if the vaccine has aborted baby cells in it, we can use it......wow.

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Cord blood (umbilical cord blood) & Bone marrow not fetus.^

 

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17 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

What exactly is the issue with aborted baby cells, or does it just sound icky?

Would want to eat pig? no. Would you want pig cell inside your body? no

But human baby cells? You don't see what's wrong?

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1 minute ago, AkhiraisReal said:

But human baby cells? You don't see what's wrong?

No I don't. 

From my very limited knowledge of Islamic ethics in this area, there's surely a fair amount of detail that needs to be added to 'human baby cells' before it starts becoming problematic.

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13 hours ago, AkhiraisReal said:

You said I was lying about aborted baby cells being used in vaccines. I showed you I didn't. You can see my reply above if you havn't checked it yet.

What are you talking about?, read the ingredient list again.

I did, they are cell lines, cultivated from an aborted fetus or the kidney tissue of a monkey. Earlier you were saying the vaccines  had aborted fetus in it which is not true. Cells are not flesh or people, nor do they have souls.

As starlight said, you can't present a solid argument for your stance for being against vaccinations. All you're doing is trying to manipulate people by getting emotional and asking them what they would if that fetus was their child. What a sad state of affairs.

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