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21 minutes ago, PureExistence1 said:

So in the case of someone who had covid, say, a year ago, their system SHOULD recognize it if they inhale the viral particles in a subsequent exposure and be able to "wrap things up" and be gotten rid of..

So without giving a whole course on anti microbial immunology,  and it's not my specialty,  but we do get training in med school and residency on immunology.

So normally anything the body recognizes as a foreign material is usually taken up by Macrophages or other defensive white cells, which are the garbage collector cells.

The foreign material is usually tagged and then handed over to APC'S ( ANTIGEN PRESENTING CELLS).

So these are like the cops who pick up and arrest the bad guys( anything foreign I.E. partial material from bacteria, viruses,  fungi,  chemicals) and then the humoral  immune  system ( B CELLS)  makes antibodies to the antigens. From IG A , IG M and IG G among others. 

Additional you have the cellular immunity system ( T cells and NK cells ) which are like robots which destroy foreign materials and even deranged cells ( like cancer cells) or old cells ( autophagy) or something which has been tagged by right kind of antibody.

These antibodies and antigens  are then entered into your immune system memory( like a library) and antibodies next time around can be produced even faster and get rid of the danger material faster when exposed a 2nd time.

You don't Need to have active infection to make antibodies,  you just need an ANTIGEN which is bound by the  APC'S.

now respiratory viruses, and all microbes for that matter,  are getting caught up by our Amazing Immune system   ( Truly the greatness of Allah's immune defense system cannot be overstated) all the time, infection or not, and if healthy immune system,  usually will get rid of the offending agent without even becoming symptomatic.

 

Hope that is clear...and not too detailed without making sense.

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On 4/9/2023 at 7:18 PM, Son of Placid said:

I could get it in Mexico but it's not approved here so it would be a no jab jab.

Hi you can receive covid vaccine likewise Sinopharm in countries likewise Armenia or turkey which receiving it in Armenia needs staying there at least for ten day which also Iran provides it & it's homemade vaccines anyway I 'm not sure that America will accept it if you recieve it in Iran or not .

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Salam aleycum

This whole pandemic is a scam and shouldnt even be called a pandemic because of the low deathrate. But almost all countries agreed on this fraud and the ones who didnt their president were assassinated (Tanzania). I wonder why Iran the so called islamic country supostly the country that will prepare the world for Imam mahdi as. Its seems to me they are not.  

A year ago if you were not vaccinated you cuould not enter Iran. The fake vaccin mrna is more dangerous than the virus itself. I do not know about the other vaccines but what a coincidense that so many countries developed a vaccin at the same time. 

And almost everywhere they introduced the vaccine passport and they want to keep in future (read about G20 meeting last year).

At the G20 they also agreed that the mrna vaccin were succesful ( acording to who?).

The sionist/masons/globalist wants to reduce world population, eliminate paper money and introduce digital money and id.

No muslim leader is speaking against this. Why?

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On 4/10/2023 at 11:23 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi you can receive covid vaccine likewise Sinopharm in countries likewise Armenia or turkey which receiving it in Armenia needs staying there at least for ten day which also Iran provides it & it's homemade vaccines anyway I 'm not sure that America will accept it if you recieve it in Iran or not .

No idea. 
We started with 4 jabs but AZ caused too much trouble as did J&J. That leaves us with Pfizer and Moderna.
I have been waiting all this time for Medicago because it is a plant based replica of the actual virus but no mRNA.
Canadians have slowed down on jabs. There are millions of doses about to expire. Trudeau doesn't care, he got his money.

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On 4/12/2023 at 6:05 PM, Chiasalswe said:

I wonder why Iran the so called islamic country supostly the country that will prepare the world for Imam mahdi as. Its seems to me they are not.  

Well Iran and Cuba are the data points which disprove this is some kind of international corporate conspiracy.

These two countries are under sanctions from the West and had every incentive to carry on as normal in order to call out the 'fraud' being perpetrated everywhere else.

The fact that they did not and developed vaccines (together, even) tells you that the virus is real and the solutions sensible e.g. masks, social distancing and vaccines.

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@Hasani Samnani thanks SO much for such a great explanation! I really appreciate it. Was very easy to understand.

A friend of mine went through this scenario, however, they ended up testing positive for ANA and Anti ccp right after their exposure and now have an RA diagnosis even though a previous autoimmune panel  done 6 months prior for a different reason came back negative.

The rheumatologist said they think the immune system is agitated so making antibodies due to covid exposure. 

My friend IS symptomatic for RA, but dr says its not classic RA due to certain symptoms not being present. 

I hope for my friends sake this all resolves, but if the immune system HAS decided to turn against itself, i dont know of autoimmune ever permanently reversing:(

Thanks again!

 

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3 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Well Iran and Cuba are the data points which disprove this is some kind of international corporate conspiracy.

These two countries are under sanctions from the West and had every incentive to carry on as normal in order to call out the 'fraud' being perpetrated everywhere else.

The fact that they did not and developed vaccines (together, even) tells you that the virus is real and the solutions sensible e.g. masks, social distancing and vaccines.

Salaam, i have no doubt this virus is real...i hadnt been sick with ANYTHING in 10 years til this "thing" came along..and once i came down with it, i knew and felt it was different than anything I'd experienced before...ugh.

The only thing i have to say about this subject is that since it is for sure a real thing, then of course iran and cuba needed to develop something to try to help their people. They weren't going to import, and i get that...sounds a bit too trojan horse-y to take a chance on... This isnt an issue for me.

My issue goes back to it being a bioweapon against iran and china. If there is/was some sort of conspiracy at the highest echelons of world power, im pretty sure ayatullah khamenei wouldnt have been let in on it since they were the target....strange how it first erupted in china and Qom..Qom of all places... not tehran or mashaad. 

They tried to do what was best for their people..

I dont have the info, but i speculate the side effect profile and adverse events are not as high for them as elsewhere, but i could be wrong.

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10 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

@Ashvazdanghesalaam brother, do you know if this was true at any point?

 

Salam it's not true becaue everyone who has had a negative covid test could enter Iran or leave it which there was no compusion about injecting covid vaccine which I only have seen for first time such weird thing from @Chiasalswe.

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8 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

.strange how it first erupted in china and Qom..Qom of all places... not tehran or mashaad.

Salam it has been existed in Tehran or Mashaad which at first it has been categorized as new kind of aggressive influenza which after spreading news about China anti Iran media have focused on Qom for accusing religious people to spreading Covid which due to their propganda pressure after confirming of existance of Covid in  Qom , it  has  been called as center of spreading of it.

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22 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam it has been existed in Tehran or Mashaad which at first it has been categorized as new kind of aggressive influenza which after spreading news about China anti Iran media have focused on Qom for accusing religious people to spreading Covid which due to their propganda pressure after confirming of existance of Covid in  Qom , it  has  been called as center of spreading of it.

Thanks for that information. I hadn't heard this before...

I believe it was a bioweapon used to harm iran.

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It is  true that at one particular time you had to be vaccinated to enter Iran. I know this 100 % because i wanted to visit Iran and called the embassy in Stockholm. Not only Iran made it obligatory to be vaccinated, even other muslim countries as Pakistan. 

In some muslim countries you had to vaccinated to enter a mosq. 

Even if this virus is real which hasnt been proven yet it's still ilogical to demand a test for a virus with such low mortality and for people without symptoms. You dont have to be an expert to know this. There was never a need to test and to vaccinate everyone.

 

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1 hour ago, Chiasalswe said:

Even if this virus is real which hasnt been proven yet it's still ilogical to demand a test for a virus with such low mortality and for people without symptoms.

You and others may find it useful to visit the coronavirus thread and our real-time discussions about what happened.

The issue at the time was the risk of health services being overwhelmed by people who were sick and who needed treatment. This was happening around the world. 

There were instances of shopping malls and their car parks in Iran being converted to hospitals.

 

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@Chiasalswe

I have close relatives that almost died. They were sick in an unprescedented way. This virus, like many other viruses, also caused many people to develop autoimmune diseases and other permanent diseases like diabetes when there existed no familial or hereditary history of such diseases nor were they themselves unhealthy or even prediabetic prior to covid infection.

Also, there MANY people who numerous months after getting sick with this virus STILL have abnormal blood values with high D dimer and inflammatory markers when all labs were normal prior to covid infection.

  Stop with the ignorance. The virus exists. Thats not even debatable at this point. What you're saying is extremely offensive to people and the family members and friends of people that are permanently sick from things this virus caused and are now are suffering with new life long permanent diseases as well as an exceptionally low quality of life.

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38 minutes ago, PureExistence1 said:

@Chiasalswe

I have close relatives that almost died. They were sick in an unprescedented way. This virus, like many other viruses, also caused many people to develop autoimmune diseases and other permanent diseases when there exists no familial or hereditary history of such diseases.

Also, there MANY people who numerous months after getting sick with this virus STILL have abnormal blood values with high D dimer and inflammatory markers when all labs were normal prior to covid infection

  Stop with the ignorance. The virus exists. Thats not even debatable at this point. What you're saying is extremely offensive to people and the family members and friends of people that are permanently sick from things this virus caused and are now are suffering with new life long permanent diseases as well as an exceptionally low quality of life.

It is the vaccine not the virus. 

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51 minutes ago, Chiasalswe said:

It is the vaccine not the virus. 

No, not in the cases im talking about...None of the people from my personal life that suffered the things I mentioned in my previous post were vaccinated.. at all! Not even the first dose...These were purely covid cases.

And while I agree with you that vaccines do cause a lot of adverse events, this information is just now becoming widely known, there is no denying the damage the covid virus itself causes.

I am a member of at least three different forums where people are discussing their medical tests and results and there are people across the board that have either got covid and never been vaccinated all the way up to people that got covid three plus times and were vaccinated and boosted the mx amount of times they could be. All of these people are suffering life debilitating illnesses and permanent problems to some degree or another.

There is no one size fits all answer/situation with this... from people getting covid one time all the way up to getting covid multiple times even after having been vaccinated one time or up to five times..

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13 hours ago, Chiasalswe said:

I know this 100 % because i wanted to visit Iran and called the embassy in Stockholm.

Salam this is wrong decision by crew of embassy because in opposition to your claim a member of our family who lives in Sweden has visited Iran just by negative covid test which he has entere to iran just by confirming of negative covid test  in air port which in similar fashion he returned to to sweden just by repeating negative covid test iniran some days before living Iran which he has not injected vaccine for entering toIran or forleaving it.

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On 4/16/2023 at 11:06 AM, Chiasalswe said:

Salam Aleycum

It is  true that at one particular time you had to be vaccinated to enter Iran. I know this 100 % because i wanted to visit Iran and called the embassy in Stockholm. Not only Iran made it obligatory to be vaccinated, even other muslim countries as Pakistan. 

In some muslim countries you had to vaccinated to enter a mosq. 

Even if this virus is real which hasnt been proven yet it's still ilogical to demand a test for a virus with such low mortality and for people without symptoms. You dont have to be an expert to know this. There was never a need to test and to vaccinate everyone.

 

The virus is real.
It has been isolated and Iran was using the Sinopharm vaccine which is a conventional inactivated virus vaccine. It's also one of the safest and most effective on the world market.
The PCR test was needed to spread fear.
The mRNA jab was needed to weaken the immune systems of the population.

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19 hours ago, Son of Placid said:

The virus is real.
It has been isolated and Iran was using the Sinopharm vaccine which is a conventional inactivated virus vaccine. It's also one of the safest and most effective on the world market.
The PCR test was needed to spread fear.
The mRNA jab was needed to weaken the immune systems of the population.

No vaccine is safe. Neither the western mRNA, nor the chinese, russian, iranian or any of them. The corona virus is basically the flu. Pretty funny how in 2020, practically all cases of the common seasonal flu just disappeared off the face of the earth

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2 hours ago, Dubilex said:

No vaccine is safe. Neither the western mRNA, nor the chinese, russian, iranian or any of them. The corona virus is basically the flu. Pretty funny how in 2020, practically all cases of the common seasonal flu just disappeared off the face of the earth

Safest and most effective does not mean safe and effective. It means it hasn't harmed as many. 
During the H1N1 scare our CEO cancelled all events and recommended the vaccine. I never bothered with flu shots but took the recommended shot and spent 10 days under a microfiber blanket. That was my "never again" moment.

Prior to the jabs I was in ICU unrelated to covid and asked the staff their opinions. I came out more skeptic than when I went in. If you want to know how a company runs, don't ask the CEO, go to the shop floor and ask those most involved.
I was laid up for months after and had lots of time to study medical journals etc. As it is, 2 1/2 years later, still waiting on follow-up surgery. 

I'm by no means an immunologist but some of the facts are pretty basic and recorded in medical journals. 
They explained how this new jab would effectively warn your system of the danger by introducing the spikes up front, it didn't make sense to me. Major panic for the immune system but no trace of a virus to battle. First mutation of a virus is the configuration of spikes. Pfizer continued their original spike recipe through Alpha, Delta, and into omicron. They hospitalized 1.2M Europeans.

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11 hours ago, Dubilex said:

The corona virus is basically the flu.

Salaam, that's how it FELT to many, including myself, however, i could tell that it wasnt exactly the same as any flu i had ever had, but enough of my anecdotal points.

The flu, as far as im aware, doesnt cause diabetes, POTS, trigger autoimmune diseases, strokes, heart attacks, blood clots, D dimer levels to be high, and cause a high level of antibodies to circulate for MONTHS after the initial infection. Ive yet to see documentation of these things regarding the flu, and while the flu DOES cause deaths, especially among the immunocompromised, the elderly, the obese, and amongst those with many other co morbidities, it doesnt cause all these other health issues including myocardial inflammation. (Yes, the vx has a higher rate of incidence of this, but covid causes it too...i dont believe the flu does, though/i could be wrong)

Im curious to see if @Son of Placid agrees with me and what his findings are. They may be different as we may have been on different routes concerning our researching. Please correct me if any of what ive said is incorrect. I admit i havent done a deep dive into the flu. 

i dont know why there is such a denial of the very existence of this virus. Its obvious to me it wasnt the flu. I think the reason the flu supposedly "disappeared" was A) people were more careful with their hygiene FINALLY, which that alone would help SO much with things like the common cold/flu/ and the so called "24 hour stomach flu" which is basically caused by enterovirus from feces on peoples unwashed hands..ugh:cry:Reminds me of @Son of Placidand his bathroom mints post..and its not just the mints..it woulda been on the toilet paper dispenser, the lock and handle of the door to the toilet, the water faucet handle (if they actually used it at some point), the paper towel dispenser, and the handle and surface of the exit door...and pretty much everything they touch after leaving the restroom. I mean seriously...who would take a half a sandwich from someones hands if they knew?? And then later they be like,

"ugh, i dont think i can go to work tomorrow-i got "the stomach flu" or "food poisoning" and am throwing up"...lol...

Its like, no:( You got someone elses rear end germs in your mouth and THAT'S why youre sick:/

But when covid came, there was such a push to sanitize, wear masks, and social distance that of course the flu would practically disappear.

(Sorry for getting off topic-i will stop..)

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21 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

Salaam, that's how it FELT to many, including myself, however, i could tell that it wasnt exactly the same as any flu i had ever had, but enough of my anecdotal points.

The flu, as far as im aware, doesnt cause diabetes, POTS, trigger autoimmune diseases, strokes, heart attacks, blood clots, D dimer levels to be high, and cause a high level of antibodies to circulate for MONTHS after the initial infection. Ive yet to see documentation of these things regarding the flu, and while the flu DOES cause deaths, especially among the immunocompromised, the elderly, the obese, and amongst those with many other co morbidities, it doesnt cause all these other health issues including myocardial inflammation. (Yes, the vx has a higher rate of incidence of this, but covid causes it too...i dont believe the flu does, though/i could be wrong)

Im curious to see if @Son of Placid agrees with me and what his findings are. They may be different as we may have been on different routes concerning our researching. Please correct me if any of what ive said is incorrect. I admit i havent done a deep dive into the flu. 

i dont know why there is such a denial of the very existence of this virus. Its obvious to me it wasnt the flu. I think the reason the flu supposedly "disappeared" was A) people were more careful with their hygiene FINALLY, which that alone would help SO much with things like the common cold/flu/ and the so called "24 hour stomach flu" which is basically caused by enterovirus from feces on peoples unwashed hands..ugh:cry:Reminds me of @Son of Placidand his bathroom mints post..and its not just the mints..it woulda been on the toilet paper dispenser, the lock and handle of the door to the toilet, the water faucet handle (if they actually used it at some point), the paper towel dispenser, and the handle and surface of the exit door...and pretty much everything they touch after leaving the restroom. I mean seriously...who would take a half a sandwich from someones hands if they knew?? And then later they be like,

"ugh, i dont think i can go to work tomorrow-i got "the stomach flu" or "food poisoning" and am throwing up"...lol...

Its like, no:( You got someone elses rear end germs in your mouth and THAT'S why youre sick:/

But when covid came, there was such a push to sanitize, wear masks, and social distance that of course the flu would practically disappear.

(Sorry for getting off topic-i will stop..)

 

I haven't done much of a dive on the flu either so I'll go along with your findings unless I find out different. 
I'll go along with the hand washing to reduce spread  but the studies prior to covid on masks and influenza by the NIH say they had no real effect. 
Let me find one. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7228345/ 
Forget droplets, humidity goes right through a mask. Then the water evaporates and the virus is airborne. Social distancing doesn't much matter.

I believe the main reason colds and flu didn't happen was because everybody tested positive for covid, including my daughter's sinus infection.
PCR was invented to detect any viral loads, it was never covid only. I should find that study too. Kary Mullis invented the PCR test. He criticized Fauci for using it to detect aids. He was found dead shortly before covid started. 

I had a something. Maybe a cold or flu or covid, more of a sinus annoyance for a few days.
Even though I'm senior I wasn't very concerned. I eat wholesome, take my vitamins, and my BP medication is primarily an inflammatory reaction blocker.
I always take an extra piece of paper towel to open the restroom doors on the way out.

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Salaam, that's how it FELT to many, including myself, however, i could tell that it wasnt exactly the same as any flu i had ever had, but enough of my anecdotal points.

The flu, as far as im aware, doesnt cause diabetes, POTS, trigger autoimmune diseases, strokes, heart attacks, blood clots, D dimer levels to be high, and cause a high level of antibodies to circulate for MONTHS after the initial infection. Ive yet to see documentation of these things regarding the flu, and while the flu DOES cause deaths, especially among the immunocompromised, the elderly, the obese, and amongst those with many other co morbidities, it doesnt cause all these other health issues including myocardial inflammation. (Yes, the vx has a higher rate of incidence of this, but covid causes it too...i dont believe the flu does, though/i could be wrong)

I bet you also 'follow the science' right? If you truly think a virus can cause all the things you listed.....then you're following not actual science, but the new pseudo-religion of 'science'. You should try and do some actual research about viruses and vaccinations for a change

But sure, a doctor that gets paid hundreds of thousand dollars in kickback from Pfizer and Moderna will always tell you the objective truth. Doctors and scientists are divine humans who are immune to greed and they NEVER EVER lie. When big pharma companies pay these doctors and researchers, they do it out of the goodness in their heart. Pfizer and Moderna don't care about profits at all XD

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i dont know why there is such a denial of the very existence of this virus. Its obvious to me it wasnt the flu. I think the reason the flu supposedly "disappeared" was A) people were more careful with their hygiene FINALLY, which that alone would help SO much with things like the common cold/flu/ and the so called "24 hour stomach flu" which is basically caused by enterovirus from feces on peoples unwashed hands..ugh:cry:Reminds me of @Son of Placidand his bathroom mints post..and its not just the mints..it woulda been on the toilet paper dispenser, the lock and handle of the door to the toilet, the water faucet handle (if they actually used it at some point), the paper towel dispenser, and the handle and surface of the exit door...and pretty much everything they touch after leaving the restroom. I mean seriously...who would take a half a sandwich from someones hands if they knew?? And then later they be like,

So you truly think it's possible to achieve net zero cases of one of the most contagious and resilient viruses? 

Well umm, enjoy your mask then 

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On 4/22/2023 at 8:27 AM, Dubilex said:

I bet you also 'follow the science' right? If you truly think a virus can cause all the things you listed.....then you're following not actual science, but the new pseudo-religion of 'science'. You should try and do some actual research about viruses and vaccinations for a change

But sure, a doctor that gets paid hundreds of thousand dollars in kickback from Pfizer and Moderna will always tell you the objective truth. Doctors and scientists are divine humans who are immune to greed and they NEVER EVER lie. When big pharma companies pay these doctors and researchers, they do it out of the goodness in their heart. Pfizer and Moderna don't care about profits at all XD

So you truly think it's possible to achieve net zero cases of one of the most contagious and resilient viruses? 

Well umm, enjoy your mask then 

Salaam, bro...

I HAVE done tons of legit research away from what the typical drs say. The problem is misinformation.

And i dont wear a mask so you shouldn't assume things about people you dont know and have never met.

And where in jahannam did i ever mention anything about zero net changes??

Viruses are known to trigger a variety of other diseases and health problems. Thats been known for ages now, not just since big pharma took over everything and shoved all these drs in their pockets.

Ugh....

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3 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

Salaam, bro...

I HAVE done tons of legit research away from what the typical drs say. The problem is misinformation.

And i dont wear a mask so you shouldn't assume things about people you dont know and have never met.

And where in jahannam did i ever mention anything about zero net changes??

Viruses are known to trigger a variety of other diseases and health problems. Thats been known for ages now, not just since big pharma took over everything and shoved all these drs in their pockets.

Ugh....

I have a bit of trouble with all these extra conditions that they claim was from covid.

I find it interesting that this is all coming out post vax. I may just be overly skeptical at this point but at these days I believe nothing said on TV. It's getting harder to research as they are also covering tracks. The NIH was flooded with mask studies, most halted for conflict of interest but none the less the list of mask studies got so long it was nearly impossible to find older studies. Some studies were updated, and the main vaccine tracker went 404 Aug last year when the inactivated vaccines started to gain popularity. Same with the "hospitalizations by vaccine status", June last year when tri dose surpassed no dose. I'm probably repeating myself.

We are flooded with misinformation. I read an unbelievable defamation vaccine report that was so far off side nobody could possibly believe it. It was from a Canadian Liberal, so there's a good chance the unbelievable report was staged.

Note how difficult it is to not be jabbed and not get called an anti-vaxxer.
I mentioned in 2020 that I had travelled without a vaccine and was called a murderer.
It's like there's no middle ground.
 

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Court awards over $20 Million for Vaccine-Caused Autism

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/court-awards-over-20-million-for-vaccine-caused-autism

 

The National Autism Association joins thousands of parents nationwide in support of the federal claims court's decision acknowledging that vaccines were responsible for the development of autism in Hannah Poling, who regressed developmentally after receiving nine vaccines on the same day. Just 18 months old at the time, Hannah's health also declined dramatically in the aftermath of the shots.

In what many parents are referring to as Orwellian doublespeak, the government determined that the vaccines Hannah received triggered an undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder that didn't "cause" the onset of autism but "resulted" in it. "These word games fool no one," according to NAA board chair and parent Lori McIlwain. "It's time for the government to admit that vaccines can and do cause autism in some children. We need to learn from children like Hannah Poling and develop strategies for the prevention of further needless injuries."

 

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