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People who peddle junk often mix in a little truth to sell it.

Certainly as an avid supporter of vaccines, I would not be the first in the queue to get one.

I can't find the right thread for this, so this will have to do for the time being:

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On 1/13/2021 at 11:07 PM, Son of Placid said:

Some more skeptic than I about everything, and none ready to take a vaccine before it's proven safe. 

 

On 1/14/2021 at 12:06 AM, hasanhh said:

l read somewhere yesterday, Wednesday, that 1-in-4 doctors and nurses do not want the vaccine.

Found similar. From a December 2020 survey of lntensive Care Professionals by the German Health Ministry. 1 in 4 doctors and 1 in 2 nurses.

https://www.dw.com/en/vaccination-why-are-some-medical-workers-hesitant/av-56200003#spark_wn=1 

 

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This is the kind of article that inflicts a sense of impending doom (inshallah).

https://www.apnews.com/article/coronavirus-mutations-rising-f471eca388965ee95cd1e324c4e239d8 

-mutants are accelerating at a rate faster than can be detected.

2] Some of the categories of mutations: Human Coronavirus Types:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-strains#1 

3] The Three Mutations dominating medical concerns at the moment; UK B.1.1.7 , S.Africa 1.351 , Brazil P.1

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/transmission/variant.html 

4] California:  :helpsos:   L452R apparently "vaccine resistant"

https://www.deadline.com/2021/01/another-new-covid-19-variant-in-l-a-vaccine-resistant-denmark-1234675834/ 

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35 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

This is the kind of article that inflicts a sense of impending doom (inshallah).

https://www.apnews.com/article/coronavirus-mutations-rising-f471eca388965ee95cd1e324c4e239d8 

-mutants are accelerating at a rate faster than can be detected.

2] Some of the categories of mutations: Human Coronavirus Types:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-strains#1 

3] The Three Mutations dominating medical concerns at the moment; UK B.1.1.7 , S.Africa 1.351 , Brazil P.1

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/transmission/variant.html 

4] California:  :helpsos:   L452R apparently "vaccine resistant"

https://www.deadline.com/2021/01/another-new-covid-19-variant-in-l-a-vaccine-resistant-denmark-1234675834/ 

You have to wonder how much is actually true. They all can say pretty much whatever they want with nothing to back it up because everything after the announcement is "confidential". 

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1 hour ago, Son of Placid said:

You have to wonder

What l was thinking while l entered the info above (today's post op.cit.) was if the only reason we do not get better information is because these 'keyboarders' in the media -who have no science education for the largest part- only parrot what some other keyboarder writes. Never looking things up for themselves.

Today's example: for however long l heard about the S.Africa mutation and in the last two days the one in Brazil and now find out  the identifiers for S.A. 1.351 and Bzl P.1 . And the L452R was known of last March (but not its apparent, current mRNA resistance).

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If I'm not mistaken, all the current 'Covid-19 Vaccines' being shot up the arms of the vulnerable/elderly/front line staff are in fact, only 'Investigational /Experimental Vaccines'; still under clinical trials, but have had 'Emergency Use Authorizations (EUA)' due to the pandemic.

 Vaccines go through years and years of clinical trials to ensure safety and efficacy before being shot up the arms of our most vulnerable. 

Omitting the word (proper description) of these 'Investigational/Experimental' vaccines by health officials and the media is misleading at best.

 

 

Edit: More info https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-real-time-learning-network/vaccines/vaccines/

 

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WARNING: An unnerving read.

Subj:  P.1 ,  now a P.2  and the E484K  (the "immune escape" mutation)

https://www.nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-we-know-about-the-p1-variant-of-the-coronavirus.html  

P.2 is currently found in Brazil and Japan (which explains why NHK has been describing Japanese gov't meetings and authoritative proposals as emergency.)

P.2 was first published on 12Jan21

This article helps explain the above:  https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6527/329 

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lf you are of the opinion that the US vaccine roll out is "inadequate, it is worse in the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52380823 

There is also a row developing/existing between vaccine suppliers and EU gov'ts and allegations of "diverting" vaccine. Reported by DeutscheWelle and also by the BBC here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55805903 

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@starlight Sorry to impose, but can you explain this to me in simpler terms, please.

One part l do believe l understand is where directed monoclonal  antibodies (the protein) did not prevent "escape" of the 501Y. At that this was demonstrated in a lab apparatus. ?:cryhappy:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210120/South-African-SARS-CoV-2-variant-escapes-antibody-neutralization.aspx

l can only kinda-follow-along, so is their a simpler explanation for the articles contents?

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Here is a general read, ~4minutes

P.1 Variant --the article is a 25Jan Update

https://www.nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-we-know-about-the-p1-variant-of-the-coronavirus.html 

 

Else where: the P.2 appears to be a "convergent selection" in Rio de Janeiro and has not been -as-yet- designated a variant.

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@hasanhh When any antigen(microorganism, foreign object) gains entry into our body, antibodies specific to that antigen are produced by our immune system. This is called the 'primary immune response' and memory from the first assault(infection) is stored in our immune system.

So if the same antigen invades again our immune system already has prepared antibodies and hence fights back even rapidly and stronger, not allowing the antigen to cause disease. This subsequent response is the called the secondary antibody/ immune response'. 

This immune memory and secondary response is what forms the basis of immunization. But in this paper it says that the virus has mutated to an extent that our immune system does not recognize it as the same antigen and hence the antibodies produced in the primary response are useless against it. 

Is it clear now? I can make it simpler?

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Pre-Notes:

Novavax -a Maryland company; above on 29January

E484K -mutation that allows a virus to evade some human anti-bodies

Description: an introductory level discussion on variants, including P.1 and P.2

A 20 minute read, original date 27Jan; updated 3x the last time on 09Feb.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210127-covid-19-variants-how-mutations-are-changing-the-pandemic 

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On 1/29/2021 at 5:39 AM, Diaz said:

Hey guys are you planning to take the vaccine or no? 

 

On 1/29/2021 at 7:22 AM, hasanhh said:

You should start a poll.

@Diaz Thanks for the poll:

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235069778-are-you-going-to-take-the-vaccine/

 

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